Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
Looks like the first time this was eaten by the moderation queue, sorry. Let me try again: Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
El dl 29 de 10 de 2012 a les 18:35 +0100, en/na Gabor Kelemen va escriure: 2012-10-29 17:03 keltezéssel, Daniel Mustieles García írta: I don't know why, my email has been sent twice... sorry! Havin them listed in a webpage sound more tricky, because somebody should maintain it (removing already released modules), and translators can forget to check it. Sending an email to the coordinator and/or the team's mail list (and also ton i18n list) would be better Damned-lies obviously needs to deal with this in a clever way, but the basic idea is that we should see this information in a new column on http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/LL/gnome-extras/ui/ Once we have the data, our coder hero* implementing this feature can do anything with it: display on the website, put into an RSS feed or a daily mail, or all of these. But let's not dive deep into painting the bikeshed yet, please. I'd like to hear if developers - those who are occasionally mailing us reminders and especially those who do not - like the idea. Let's stay with this and only this topic :). If we want features, we will have to KISS[1] :) Extracting data from the DOAP files is not a big deal at all, damned-lies already does it for some data, so another field will not be a problem. But here the bottleneck will be, as usual, the manual work, will maintainers update their doap week(s) before doing the release? My take will be to bring it on d-d-l and if they are fine with it, we should spread the word a bit and trying to educate maintainers to do this small step to make translators be aware of it. Coding wise, the simplest thing to do would be a list, sorted by due date, of modules soon-to-be-released. Generating icals, adding columns here and there, RSS feeds and more can be done later :) So, who sends the mail on d-d-l? :) Cheers, *: unknown as of now, to be honest. Maybe a GSoC student next year... so this idea is a really long shot. Regards Gabor Kelemen [1] http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle 2012/10/29 Daniel Mustieles García daniel.mustie...@gmail.com mailto:daniel.mustie...@gmail.com This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Cheers! 2012/10/29 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu mailto:kelem...@gnome.hu Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/__show_bug.cgi?id=687114 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen -- Gil Forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
El dj 01 de 11 de 2012 a les 00:02 +0100, en/na Gabor Kelemen va escriure: 2012-10-31 23:46 keltezéssel, Gil Forcada írta: So, who sends the mail on d-d-l? :) I did (and you too :)), but looks like mine is still in the moderation queue :(. Regards Gabor Kelemen Oh cool, I didn't notice that I was replying to more mailing lists than gnome-i18n :D Cheers, -- Gil Forcada [ca] guifi.net - una xarxa lliure que no para de créixer [en] guifi.net - a non-stopping free network bloc: http://gil.badall.net planet: http://planet.guifi.net ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 06:35:33PM +0100, Gabor Kelemen wrote: I'd like to hear if developers - those who are occasionally mailing us reminders and especially those who do not - like the idea. Let's stay with this and only this topic :). I like the idea, as far as the maintainers are aware that the specified date is just an indication for the translation teams, not a final decision. For example we might be busy the specified date, and prefer doing the release a bit later, or a bug should be fixed, etc. The reason why some maintainers of extra modules don't announce upcoming releases or new branches is maybe because the information is hard to find on the wiki. I know that it's a wiki, I can improve it, etc, but I don't recall where the relevant information is written. By looking at [1] and [2], I didn't see where this information could be. So a new link at [1] with a summary of what maintainers of extra modules should do (the different mails to send to the i18n list) would be perfect :) Cheers, Sébastien [1] https://live.gnome.org/MaintainersCorner [2] https://live.gnome.org/TranslationProject ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Cheers! 2012/10/29 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=687114https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen __**_ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18nhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
Hi, On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 04:00:33PM +0100, Daniel Mustieles García wrote: This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Or a web page that lists the modules in increasing order of stable release dates (the most recent first), so that translators can have a quick look at which modules to translate in priority. Sébastien ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Cheers! 2012/10/29 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=687114https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen __**_ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18nhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
I don't know why, my email has been sent twice... sorry! Havin them listed in a webpage sound more tricky, because somebody should maintain it (removing already released modules), and translators can forget to check it. Sending an email to the coordinator and/or the team's mail list (and also ton i18n list) would be better 2012/10/29 Daniel Mustieles García daniel.mustie...@gmail.com This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Cheers! 2012/10/29 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/**show_bug.cgi?id=687114https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen __**_ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/**mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18nhttps://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
Re: Request for comments: damned-lies feature to display release dates of extra packages
2012-10-29 17:03 keltezéssel, Daniel Mustieles García írta: I don't know why, my email has been sent twice... sorry! Havin them listed in a webpage sound more tricky, because somebody should maintain it (removing already released modules), and translators can forget to check it. Sending an email to the coordinator and/or the team's mail list (and also ton i18n list) would be better Damned-lies obviously needs to deal with this in a clever way, but the basic idea is that we should see this information in a new column on http://l10n.gnome.org/languages/LL/gnome-extras/ui/ Once we have the data, our coder hero* implementing this feature can do anything with it: display on the website, put into an RSS feed or a daily mail, or all of these. But let's not dive deep into painting the bikeshed yet, please. I'd like to hear if developers - those who are occasionally mailing us reminders and especially those who do not - like the idea. Let's stay with this and only this topic :). *: unknown as of now, to be honest. Maybe a GSoC student next year... so this idea is a really long shot. Regards Gabor Kelemen 2012/10/29 Daniel Mustieles García daniel.mustie...@gmail.com mailto:daniel.mustie...@gmail.com This is a great idea, but I have a question about this new feature: assuming that it finally gets implemented, and maintainers use it, how would translators be noticed about the release date of the module? It would be great if DL could send an email to the team's mailing list or to the coordinator. Just showing the planed release date of the module would be useless. Cheers! 2012/10/29 Gabor Kelemen kelem...@gnome.hu mailto:kelem...@gnome.hu Hi developers I'd like to request opinions on this bug[1]. This is about developing a feature in damned-lies to make it easier for maintainers of extra modules to communicate upcoming release dates to translators. Currently translators have hard time to decide which extra modules to translate, as information on their next scheduled release date is scarce. I'd like to change this situation by making it quicker and easier to communicate this information. The base idea from maintainer point of view is this: We could extend the .doap files in repositories with a new element, so that you could communicate the scheduled release date of your project by committing a single line to your project tree. After that damned-lies would take over presenting the information towards translators. If you maintain modules outside of the core set, I'd like to hear your opinion under the bug: would you use this method, would it make it easier for you to notify translators compared to emailing gnome-i18n? Is this a technical issue at all, or a people's mentality problem? This is only an idea yet, but without developers approval/interest it makes no sense to implement it, that's why I'm asking opinions now. [1] https://bugzilla.gnome.org/__show_bug.cgi?id=687114 https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=687114 Regards Gabor Kelemen _ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org mailto:gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/__mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n ___ gnome-i18n mailing list gnome-i18n@gnome.org https://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/gnome-i18n
