Re: “GNU software is distributed under the terms of [copyleft] licenses” (was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-10-27 Thread Carlos O'Donell
On Sat, Oct 26, 2019 at 5:03 PM Mark Wielaard  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 02:35 +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> > Ludovic Courtès  wrote:
> > > * GNU licenses uphold user freedom
> > >
> > > The GNU Project has designed software licenses to ensure developers
> > > cannot strip off user freedom from GNU software—“copyleft”
> > > licenses.  GNU software is distributed under the terms of these
> > > licenses.
> >
> > Sorry, but thatʼs simply untrue.   Few GNU software packages are
> > under lax, non-copyleft licences, namely: ncurses, nana, speex.  And
> > there might be a good reason for that [1].
>
> I agree. It would say something like "We prefer to distribute under the
> terms of these licenses."
>
> This is also partly why I would recommend trying to merge points 1
> (freedom), 2 (uphold freedom) and 4 (beyond software freedom). That
> makes it easier to explain what compromises we do and do not make to
> uphold user freedom.

That sounds like a good compromise.

Cheers,
Carlos.



Re: “GNU software is distributed under the terms of [copyleft] licenses” (was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-10-26 Thread Mark Wielaard
On Sat, 2019-10-26 at 02:35 +0300, Dmitry Alexandrov wrote:
> Ludovic Courtès  wrote:
> > * GNU licenses uphold user freedom
> > 
> > The GNU Project has designed software licenses to ensure developers
> > cannot strip off user freedom from GNU software—“copyleft”
> > licenses.  GNU software is distributed under the terms of these
> > licenses.
> 
> Sorry, but thatʼs simply untrue.   Few GNU software packages are
> under lax, non-copyleft licences, namely: ncurses, nana, speex.  And
> there might be a good reason for that [1].

I agree. It would say something like "We prefer to distribute under the
terms of these licenses."

This is also partly why I would recommend trying to merge points 1
(freedom), 2 (uphold freedom) and 4 (beyond software freedom). That
makes it easier to explain what compromises we do and do not make to
uphold user freedom.

Cheers,

Mark



“GNU software is distributed under the terms of [copyleft] licenses” (was: A GNU “social contract”?)

2019-10-25 Thread Dmitry Alexandrov
Ludovic Courtès  wrote:
> * GNU licenses uphold user freedom
>
> The GNU Project has designed software licenses to ensure developers cannot 
> strip off user freedom from GNU software—“copyleft” licenses.  GNU software 
> is distributed under the terms of these licenses.

Sorry, but thatʼs simply untrue.   Few GNU software packages are under lax, 
non-copyleft licences, namely: ncurses, nana, speex.  And there might be a good 
reason for that [1].

[1] https://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-recommendations.en.html#libraries


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