Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
 copyright infringement is a possible result of license violation.
 It is the nature of the license violations that determine this.

Hyman, Blizzard argued exactly that way. And lost.

http://iplaw.hllaw.com/2010/12/articles/copyright/ninth-circuit-concludes-that-violation-of-wow-tou-did-not-give-rise-to-copyright-infringement-claim/

As to Blizzard's copyright claims, the District Court summed up the
allegations concisely:

Blizzard alleges that users of WoW are licensees who are permitted to
copy the copyrighted game client software only in conformance with the
EULA and TOU, and that when users launch WoW using Glider, they exceed
the license in the EULA and TOU and create infringing copies of the game
client software. . . .  MDY is liable for contributory copyright
infringement, Blizzard claims, because it materially contributes to this
direct infringement by Glider users.  MDY allegedly does so by
developing and selling Glider with the knowledge that Glider users will
create infringing copies. . . .  MDY is liable for vicarious copyright
infringement, Blizzard asserts, because it has the ability to stop the
Glider-caused infringing activity and derives a financial benefit from
that activity.

In defense, MDY argued that Glider users do not infringe Blizzard's
copyright; rather, MDY argued that if users violate terms of the EULA
and TOU, they are merely breaching a contract, not infringing a
copyright.

The District Court first re-stated established Ninth Circuit law that
copying software to RAM constitutes “copying” under the Copyright Act.
As a result, “if a person is not authorized by the copyright holder
(through a license) or by law (through section 117 [of the Copyright
Act]) to copy the software to RAM, the person is guilty of copyright
infringement because the person has exercised a right (copying) that
belongs exclusively to the copyright holder.”

MDY argued that Glider users are licensed to copy the WoW game client
software to RAM, which license they acquired by purchasing and loading
the software onto their computers.  But MDY asserted that provisions of
the EULA and TOU that contain prohibitions such as the prohibition
against use of bots are merely contractual terms not limitations on the
scope of the license granted by Blizzard.  As a result, MDY argued that
although Blizzard may have breach of contract claims against Glider
users, it did not have copyright infringement claims.

The District Court disagreed in large part with MDY, concluding that the
EULA granted a limited license to WoW players and that, read together,
the EULA and TOU provided limits on the scope of the license granted by
Blizzard.  Thus WoW players who use Glider acted outside the scope of
the limited license and therefore “[c]opying the game client software to
RAM while engaged in this unauthorized activity constitutes copyright
infringement.”

. . . .

The Ninth Circuit's Decision.

. . . .

As to the copyright infringement claims (alleging contributory and
vicarious infringement), the Ninth Circuit first addressed the
essential step defense of 17 U.S.C. 117(a)(1) and the question of
whether WoW players are owners or licensees of the copies of the WoW
software in their possession.  Relying on its decision in Vernor, the
Ninth Circuit concluded that WoW players are merely licensees of their
copies of the WoW software and therefore neither they nor MDY were
entitled to the essential step defense.  As a result, when their
computers copy WoW software into RAM, the players may infringe unless
their usage is within the scope of Blizzard's limited license.

The Ninth Circuit thus turned to an examination of the relevant portions
of Blizzard's license (the TOU), namely, the portion prohibiting bots
and unauthorized third-party software, to determine whether they were
conditions, the breach of which constitute copyright infringement, or
covenants, the breach of which give rise to only contract claims.

The Ninth Circuit concluded that the provisions of the license at issue
were covenants, the breach of which did not give rise to copyright
infringement claims.  Essentially, the Ninth Circuit concluded that the
breach of a license agreement must implicate one of the exclusive rights
of copyright to give rise to a copyright infringement claim:  [W]e have
held that the potential for infringement exists only where the
licensee's action (1) exceeds the license's scope (2) in a manner that
implicates one of the licensor's exclusive statutory rights.

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
 
 On 12/21/2010 9:48 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
  that breach of a condition not to use bots doesn't violate the
  copyright act. Why do you think that a copyleft condition not to
  restrict users downstream should be treated any differently?
 
 Because the court itself said so:
 https://www.eff.org/files/MDY_opinion.pdf
   For instance, ToU § 4(D) forbids creation of derivative works

Copyleft doesn't forbid creation of derivative works. You can create
derivative works from copylefted works all you want. You can also copy
verbatim. Copyleft does impose several WOW ToU-like covenants (with
covenants itself having really nothing to do with the rights under 17
USC 106) for the case of subsequent distribution of copies of derivative
works (ans/or copies verbatim). The distribution of copies made under
the GPL (whether verbatim or with modifications) itself falls under 17
USC 109 and hence isn't a copyright infringement by definition of 17 USC
109. Go read it, silly.

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 10:45 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
 Copyleft doesn't forbid creation of derivative works.

You miss the point. The court has said that some violations
of the terms of service are copyright violation, and some
are not. The difference lies in whether the violating action
is an infringement of the copyright holder's exclusive rights
under the Copyright Act or not.

 17 USC 109

The GPL allows copying and distribution only under its terms, and
distinguishes between copies for personal use and distribution.
It is a violation of copyright to distribute the former as the
latter, and the first sale doctrine is not relevant to this - the
infringing copy was not lawfully made under this title.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 10:56 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

Essentially, the Ninth Circuit concluded that the
breach of a license agreement must implicate one of the exclusive rights
of copyright to give rise to a copyright infringement claim:  [W]e have
held that the potential for infringement exists only where the
licensee's action (1) exceeds the license's scope (2) in a manner that
implicates one of the licensor's exclusive statutory rights.


Yes, exactly. Copying and distributing outside the permissions
granted by the GPL satisfies both of these. The court gave an
example itself, of creating a derivative work.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
   17 USC 109
 
 The GPL allows copying and distribution only under its terms, and
 distinguishes between copies for personal use and distribution.
 It is a violation of copyright to distribute the former as the
 latter, and the first sale doctrine is not relevant to this - the
 infringing copy was not lawfully made under this title.

The US courts disagree with you Hyman.

http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/550/550.F2d.1180.76-1141.html

In Wells the court granted defendant's motion for acquittal on eight
counts of criminal infringement of the copyright of aerial survey maps
owned by Edgar Tobin. Tobin had licensed 107 of his customers to
manufacture reproductions of his maps for their own use. Defendant was
charged with selling, without authorization, copies of Tobin's
copyrighted maps. The pivotal issue was whether the copies sold by the
defendant were copies which had been the subject of a first sale,
thereby terminating their statutory protection:

. . . If title has been retained by the copyright proprietor, the
copy remains under the protection of the copyright law, and
infringement proceedings may be had against all subsequent possessors
of the copy who interfere with the copyright proprietor's exclusive
right to vend the copyrighted work. If title has passed to a first
purchaser, though, the copy loses the protection of the copyright law
as discussed above. 176 F.Supp. at 633-634.

The court found that there has been no showing on the record that the
copies of the aerial survey maps were not published by a lawful
licensee of the copyright proprietor or that title to these copies was
retained at all times by the copyright proprietor. 176 F.Supp. at
633. Since the Tobin license did not specify that title to the
reproduced maps was to remain in Tobin, title to the maps belonged to
the licensees who, under the first sale doctrine, were free to resell
the maps. The court concluded: Lacking the protection of the
copyright law, there can be no infringement, and defendant should be
acquitted. 176 F.Supp. at 634.

Since the GPL does not specify that title to the copies made is to be
retained by the copyright proprietor, title to the copies belongs to
the licensees who, under the 17 USC 109, is free to distribute the
copies without the authority of the copyright owner.

See the light now silly Hyman?

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 11:16 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

The US courts disagree with you Hyman.


No, they do not.


http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/550/550.F2d.1180.76-1141.html

United States Court of Appeals, Ninth Circuit.
March 28, 1977.
...
While the copyright laws protect the right of the copyright proprietor
to vend his work, that right is not absolute, but is subject to the
first sale doctrine as stated in 17 U.S.C. § 27. That statute provides
in pertinent part:
(B)ut nothing in this title shall be deemed to forbid, prevent,
 or restrict the transfer of any copy of a copyrighted work the
 possession of which has been lawfully obtained.

17 USC 27 is no longer the law; the Copyright Act of 1976 went into effect
on January 1, 1978, after the above ruling, and the first sale doctrine now
reads differently. Rather than allowing resale of works lawfully obtained
17 USC 109 allows resale of works lawfully made under this title and that
is an entirely different kettle of fish, as Omega vs. Costco demonstrated.
A copy made for personal use but then distributed has not been lawfully made.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 11:23 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

How the manner of *not* providing source code could ever
implicate one of the licensor's exclusive statutory rights?


Manner of copying is within the exclusive rights of the copyright
holder. For example, authors may sell hardcover publication rights
to one publisher and paperback rights to another and eBook rights
to a third. If any of these were to publish in a format other than
the agreed one, they would be infringing copyright.

The GPL very carefully lays out its restrictions so that they are
all part of the act of copying, so that violating its terms is
copyright infringement.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 11:55 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

In sum, the legislative history of Section 109(a) reveals that the
phrase lawfully made under this title clarifies what constitutes a
first sale for purposes of the first sale doctrine


This is false, at least as held by the Ninth Circuit and upheld
by the Supreme Court; lawfully made under this title means
exactly that, a copy made as permitted by this law. Omega vs.
Costco resulted in first sale not applying to imported items
because they were made in a foreign country, and thus not made
under this title. You may continue to believe that this change
is immaterial to the outcome of Wells, but I already know what
your opinion is worth.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
 The GPL very carefully lays out its restrictions so that they are
 all part of the act of copying . . .

An act of providing the source code is part of the act of copying?

Take your meds Hyman.

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
 17 USC 27 is no longer the law; the Copyright Act of 1976 went into effect
 on January 1, 1978, after the above ruling, and the first sale doctrine now
 reads differently. Rather than allowing resale of works lawfully obtained
 17 USC 109 allows resale of works lawfully made under this title and that
 is an entirely different kettle of fish, as Omega vs. Costco demonstrated.

See Staff of House Comm. on the Judiciary, 89th Cong., 1st Sess.,
Copyright Law Revision Part 5: 1964 Revision Bill with Discussion 
Comments 66 (Comm.Print 1965) (Barbara Ringer, member of the Copyright
Office's General Revision Steering Committee, stating: The basic
purpose of [Section 109(a)] is to make clear that full ownership of a
lawfully-made copy authorizes its owner to dispose of it freely, and
that this privilege does not extend to copies obtained otherwise than by
sale or other lawful disposition. In other words, if you obtain a copy
by loan or by rental, you are not free to dispose of it freely or to use
it in any way you see fit.). The words under this title were added to
ensure that the Copyright Act itself would be the guide for determining
the validity of a sale. See H.R.Rep. No. 1476, at 79, reprinted in 1976
U.S.C.C.A.N. 5659, 5693 (To come within the scope of section 109(a), a
copy or phonorecord must have been `lawfully made under this title,'
though not necessarily with the copyright owner's authorization. For
example, any resale of an illegally `pirated' phonorecord would be an
infringement, but the disposition of a phonorecord made under the
compulsory licensing provisions of section 115 would not.); S.Rep. No.
473, 94th Cong., 1st Sess. 72 (1975) (containing essentially the same
language); H.R.Rep. No. 83, 90th Cong., 1st Sess. 38 (1967) (same);
S.Rep. No. 982, 93d Cong., 2d Sess. 123 (1974) (same).

In sum, the legislative history of Section 109(a) reveals that the
phrase lawfully made under this title clarifies what constitutes a
first sale for purposes of the first sale doctrine

The phrase essentially means that the copy is not infringing, either
because it was made with the permission of the copyright owner (i.e. 
under license) or it falls within one of the exceptions to the 
copyright owner's reproduction rights.

If one has permission to make lawful copies, one does not need any
additional permission to distribute those copies to the public.

17 USC 109 applies to anyone who is the owner of a particular copy or
phonorecord lawfully made under this title.

You can become the lawful owner of a copy by license, operation of 
law (17 USC 115), gift or similar things that are not a sale of 
material object.

 A copy made for personal use but then distributed has not been lawfully made.

http://ftp.resource.org/courts.gov/c/F2/550/550.F2d.1180.76-1141.html

In Wells the court granted defendant's motion for acquittal on eight
counts of criminal infringement of the copyright of aerial survey maps
owned by Edgar Tobin. Tobin had licensed 107 of his customers to
manufacture reproductions of his maps for their own use. Defendant was
charged with selling, without authorization, copies of Tobin's
copyrighted maps. The pivotal issue was whether the copies sold by the
defendant were copies which had been the subject of a first sale,
thereby terminating their statutory protection:

. . . If title has been retained by the copyright proprietor, the
copy remains under the protection of the copyright law, and
infringement proceedings may be had against all subsequent possessors
of the copy who interfere with the copyright proprietor's exclusive
right to vend the copyrighted work. If title has passed to a first
purchaser, though, the copy loses the protection of the copyright law
as discussed above. 176 F.Supp. at 633-634.

The court found that there has been no showing on the record that the
copies of the aerial survey maps were not published by a lawful
licensee of the copyright proprietor or that title to these copies was
retained at all times by the copyright proprietor. 176 F.Supp. at
633. Since the Tobin license did not specify that title to the
reproduced maps was to remain in Tobin, title to the maps belonged to
the licensees who, under the first sale doctrine, were free to resell
the maps. The court concluded: Lacking the protection of the
copyright law, there can be no infringement, and defendant should be
acquitted. 176 F.Supp. at 634.

Since the GPL does not specify that title to the copies made is to be
retained by the copyright proprietor, title to the copies belongs to
the licensees who, under the 17 USC 109, is free to distribute the
copies without the authority of the copyright owner.

See the light now silly Hyman?

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
[...]
 exactly that, a copy made as permitted by this law. Omega vs.
 Costco resulted in first sale not applying to imported items

Yeah.

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=41f6d942-54be-48f4-a3a7-b766881d6ebd

During the Costco oral arguments, the Court seemed skeptical of both
sides’ positions on whether the “first sale” statute9 (Section 109)
implicitly included a territoriality requirement, repeatedly asking the
lawyers to point out where in the text or legislative history support
could be found for their respective arguments. The Justices appeared to
agree that reading Section 109 to include a territoriality requirement
would effectively incentivize foreign outsourcing or manufacturing
outside the United States, and Congress certainly would not have enacted
Section 109 with such an intent – “what earthly sense would it make to
prefer goods that are manufactured abroad over those manufactured in the
U.S.” (J. Ginsburg).

On December 13, 2010 the Court issued a per curiam order affirming the
Ninth Circuit’s ruling against Costco. This order was issued because the
court split 4 to 4 on the question and so by rule the lower court
opinion was affirmed by an equally divided court. This division resulted
after Justice Kagan had recused herself because she had participated as
Solicitor General in submitting a brief to the Court urging it to not
take the case because the decision of the Ninth Circuit was correct. In
effect, the Supreme Court’s action left the Ninth Circuit’s ruling
against Costco undisturbed (i.e., the exhaustion doctrine is subject to
a territoriality requirement), but it provided no clarification or
further precedent to guide lower courts and interested parties. Thus,
the conflicting views about the territorial scope of the exhaustion
doctrine remain unsettled (at least outside of the Ninth Circuit).

http://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=c0ff7670-6b42-4846-990a-fa753b0c0cf9

Supreme Court does not answer copyright exhaustion question in Costco

Haynes and Boone LLP Thomas Kelton, Jeff Becker, Purvi J. Patel, Lisa
Garono and David A. Bell USA 

December 17 2010 

Earlier this week, the US Supreme Court issued a split decision and
failed to resolve whether copyrighted materials legally made abroad can
be imported into the U.S. and sold without the express permission of the
copyright owner. See Costco Wholesale Corp. v. Omega S.A., 562 U.S. __
(2010). In other words, it is still up to the nation’s circuit courts to
decide whether the first sale doctrine extinguishes the rights of a
copyright holder when the goods are made outside of the U.S.

The case came to the Court from the 9th Circuit, which ruled that
copyrighted materials made abroad cannot be imported into the U.S. and
sold without the express permission of the copyright owner. See Omega
S.A. v. Costco Wholesale Corp., 541 F.3d 982 (9th Cir. 2008). After the
split decision at the Supreme Court, the 9th Circuit’s decision remains
good law within the 9th Circuit’s jurisdiction, but no nationwide
precedent is set. Other circuit courts have yet to weigh in on the
issue. The 9th Circuit’s decision and the Supreme Court’s decision are
referred to collectively herein as the “Costco cases.” 

The Costco cases have important ramifications, not only within the 9th
Circuit. “Grey market” importers may find themselves subject to
successful infringement suits, especially when selling goods within the
9th Circuit. From the other vantage point, the Costco cases provide an
important avenue for copyright holders, such as brand-name
manufacturers, to keep grey market goods out of the country.
Furthermore, because the 9th Circuit includes the entire west coast, the
Costco cases deal a blow to much of the nation’s grey market activity.
Copyright holders and grey market importers can expect the same question
to come before other circuit courts in the coming years.

Interestingly, the Costco cases treat foreign-manufactured goods
preferentially in comparison to domestically-manufactured goods. In
other words, a lawful first sale does not extinguish a copyright
holder’s rights when the goods are made abroad; however, the same is not
true for goods produced domestically. Thus, copyright holders gain a
slight advantage by manufacturing goods abroad.

History

The Supreme Court addressed a similar issue in 1998. See Quality King
Distributors Inc., v. L'anza Research International Inc., 523 U.S. 135
(1998). In the Quality King decision, the goods in issue were made in
the U.S., exported abroad by the copyright holder, and then re-imported
into the U.S. by the defendant without the copyright holder’s
permission. The Supreme Court held that the first sale doctrine
extinguished the rights of the copyright holder. In Quality King, the
Court specifically refused to consider a fact pattern including
foreign-manufactured goods.

In the present case, Omega made and sold its watches in Switzerland
legally. A third party 

Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 11:59 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

An act of providing the source code is part of the act of copying?


It's part of the act of copying and distributing. You must
either convey the source code with the binary, or convey an
offer of the source code. Failing to do either infringes on
the copyright; failing to honor the offer infringes on a
contract.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Alexander Terekhov

Hyman Rosen wrote:
 
 On 12/21/2010 11:59 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:
  An act of providing the source code is part of the act of copying?
 
 It's part of the act of copying and distributing. You must

Distributing a copy lawfully made under 17 USC by its owner is an act
under 17 USC 109 and it doesn't require the copyright permission 
at all. Trying to blender these two distinct acts is intellectually
dishonest, Hyman.

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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread Hyman Rosen

On 12/21/2010 12:35 PM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

Distributing a copy lawfully made under 17 USC by its owner is an act
under 17 USC 109 and it doesn't require the copyright permission
at all.


Distributing a copy that was made under a personal use license
infringes copyright because lawfully made under this title
includes the restrictions on use. To realize this, imagine the
clearer situation of someone setting up a bank of machines to
record an over-the-air broadcast and then selling the recordings.
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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread RJack

On 12/21/2010 12:06 PM, Hyman Rosen wrote:


On 12/21/2010 11:59 AM, Alexander Terekhov wrote:

An act of providing the source code is part of the act of copying?

It's part of the act of copying and distributing. You must either
convey the source code with the binary, or convey an offer of the
source code. Failing to do either infringes on the copyright; failing
to honor the offer infringes on a contract.


Hyman,

Will you NEVER, EVER be able to understand the difference between a
*scope of use* restriction on one of the 17 USC sec. 106 exclusive rights:

...
An unlicensed use of the copyright is not an infringement unless it
conflicts with one of the specific exclusive rights conferred by the
copyright statute. Twentieth Century Music Corp. v. Aiken, 422 U.S., at
154-155.; SONY CORP. OF AMER. v. UNIVERSAL CITY STUDIOS, INC., 464 U.S.
417 (1984).

Accordingly, if an unlicensed use of a copyrighted work does not
conflict with an exclusive right conferred by the statute, it is no
infringement of the holder's rights. No license is required by the
Copyright Act, for example, to sing a copyrighted lyric in the
shower.;Twentieth Century Music Corp. v. Aiken, 422 U.S. 151,154 (1975).

Consistent with this approach, we have held that the potential for
infringement exists only where the licensee’s action (1) exceeds the
license’s scope (2) in a manner that implicates one of the licensor’s
exclusive statutory rights.; MDY INDUSTRIES v. BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT
(9th Cir 2010).
...


and a contract *condition precedent*:

..
A condition precedent is an act or event that must occur before a duty
to perform a promise arises. AES P.R., L.P. v. Alstom Power, Inc., 429
F. Supp. 2d 713, 717 (D.Del. 2006) (citing Delaware state law); see also
Restatement (Second) of Contracts § 224. Conditions precedent are
disfavored because they tend to work forfeitures. AES, 429 F. Supp. 2d
at 717 (internal citations omitted). Wherever possible, equity construes
ambiguous contract provisions as covenants rather than conditions.; MDY
INDUSTRIES v. BLIZZARD ENTERTAINMENT (9th Cir 2010).
..


Alexander and I attempted to explain multiple times that the Federal
Circuit was wrong in Jacobsen v. Katzer. You should really find an
easier topic than law to comment about. I'm afraid the subtleties of the
law are too difficult for you.

The GPL license is D.O.A. in a federal court under both federal
copyright and state contract law for more reasons than you will ever be
able to grasp.

Hyman, give up reading the law and try reading something that you can
understand.

Sincerely,
RJack :)









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Re: Jacobsen v Katzer, 535 F.3d 1373 overruled by the US Ninth CircuitCourtof Appeals

2010-12-21 Thread David Kastrup
RJack u...@example.net writes:

 Alexander and I attempted to explain multiple times that the Federal
 Circuit was wrong in Jacobsen v. Katzer. You should really find an
 easier topic than law to comment about. I'm afraid the subtleties of the
 law are too difficult for you.

The subtleties of the law are interpreted _relevantly_ by the courts,
not Alexander and you.

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David Kastrup
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