Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-19 Thread john 



> On Dec 18, 2023, at 22:35, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> Am 19.12.23 um 02:30 schrieb john:
>>> On Dec 18, 2023, at 13:14, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>>>  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I don't know if we really want all translators of all languages in the 
>>> AUTHORS file.
>> ISTM it should be all or nothing: If we're not going to include all of the 
>> current translators  we should remove everybody whose only contribution is 
>> translation. But the translator-credits mechanism isn't great: Users see 
>> only the people who helped translate into the current UI language, so if the 
>> language is set to US English they see no-one at all.
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
> 
> IIRC Authors and Translators had separate tabs in GTK2's About.
> 
> How about adding a linking sentence like:
> For translation contributors see the list at the beginning of each .po file.
> 
> An automatic greping of the list is not trivial as it sits between file 
> description (0-2 lines) and the general translator comment (0-n lines).
> 
> Not all mentioned with "translation" in Authors are listed in the respective 
> po file. Perhaps they contributed e.g. localized account templates? Is it 
> really worth to grep the logs for them?
> 
> Just my 2c
> Frank

Adding a pointer the po files is a cop-out, nobody will go to the effort. The 
localized account templates are an interesting thought, but I wouldn't consider 
that a translation in most cases.  The point of those templates is as much to 
reflect how people in a locale structure their books as it is to have account 
names in the locale language

The translator-credits msgid also falls short because it's manually maintained: 
For example both the fr.po and de.po have more translator names in the comments 
in the header than in translator-credits. You're right that grepping the 
comments won't be easy. Not only is there no tag to indicate the list beginning 
and ending, even the formatting and text before and after the list isn't 
consistent between PO files.

Unfortunately even querying the commit history won't get everybody. In fact it 
won't get much of anybody before we switched to git because CVS and Subversion 
don't record separate authors and committers. It's really before Weblate even: 
The usual way translations got updated until then was somebody would send a new 
po file to one of the mailing lists and a developer would copy it into his 
working directory and commit it. Not everybody was conscientious about 
including the translator's name in the commit message. That applies as much to 
code contributors as to translators. Before git we got patches via bugzilla. 
Developers would download patches, apply, and commit. Sometimes they credited 
the author in the commit message, sometimes not, and adding the author to 
AUTHORS was and is even less frequent. There are also contributors whose 
privacy concerns outweigh their interest in getting credit for their work.

Bottom line is that there's no way to give credit to everyone who's contributed 
or even everyone who's made substantial contributions.

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-18 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger 




Am 19.12.23 um 02:30 schrieb john:




On Dec 18, 2023, at 13:14, Frank H. Ellenberger  
wrote:

I don't know if we really want all translators of all languages in the AUTHORS 
file.


ISTM it should be all or nothing: If we're not going to include all of the 
current translators  we should remove everybody whose only contribution is 
translation. But the translator-credits mechanism isn't great: Users see only 
the people who helped translate into the current UI language, so if the 
language is set to US English they see no-one at all.

Regards,
John Ralls


IIRC Authors and Translators had separate tabs in GTK2's About.

How about adding a linking sentence like:
For translation contributors see the list at the beginning of each .po file.

An automatic greping of the list is not trivial as it sits between file 
description (0-2 lines) and the general translator comment (0-n lines).


Not all mentioned with "translation" in Authors are listed in the 
respective po file. Perhaps they contributed e.g. localized account 
templates? Is it really worth to grep the logs for them?


Just my 2c
Frank
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Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-18 Thread john 



> On Dec 18, 2023, at 13:14, Frank H. Ellenberger 
>  wrote:
> 
> I don't know if we really want all translators of all languages in the 
> AUTHORS file.

ISTM it should be all or nothing: If we're not going to include all of the 
current translators  we should remove everybody whose only contribution is 
translation. But the translator-credits mechanism isn't great: Users see only 
the people who helped translate into the current UI language, so if the 
language is set to US English they see no-one at all.

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-18 Thread step...@paternottes.net 
   Thank you for the guideline.

   Done as suggested.

   Stephan

   Stephan Paternotte

   Amsterdam

   Nederland

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Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-18 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger 

Hi,

please remove the distinction. It is a relict from the times before we 
used the team oriented weblate.


Can you also
* complete the list according 
https://github.com/Gnucash/gnucash/blob/bf460b0040f8c9837cca198a9daba83a91c6c35b/po/nl.po#L1-L16
* replace the individual email addresses by a paragraph about 
gnucash...@gnucash.org like in the german version?


Regards
Frank

Am 18.12.23 um 22:41 schrieb step...@paternottes.net:

Potentially awkward situation in the Dutch translation
(https://hostedweblate.org/translate/gnucash/gnucash/nl/?checksum=deecda9491124d4f 
)
 where the first line mentions the current (single) translator followed by the 
translators that have preceeded.

I would not want to claim the 1st position.

Stephan Paternotte
Amsterdam
Nederland
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E: step...@paternottes.net


*Van:* Frank H. Ellenberger 
*Verstuurd:* maandag, december 18, 2023 10:14:35 p.m.
*Aan:* john ; Stephan Paternotte 
*CC:* gnucash-devel@gnucash.org 
*Onderwerp:* [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as
Dutch translator

Hi,

Am 18.12.23 um 16:50 schrieb john:
  > The simplest (for me, anyway) would be for you to make a Github Pull Request
with the change.
  >
  >> On Dec 18, 2023, at 02:56, Stephan Paternotte  
wrote:
  >>
  >> Hello John,
  >>
  >> I've contributed to the Dutch translations of GnuCash on weblate for quite
some time already, adding missing translations and revising inconsistencies.
  >> What would it take to be included on the list of Dutch translation
contributors in the About dialogue?
  >>
  >
  > The simplest (for me, anyway) would be for you to make a Github Pull Request
with the change to AUTHORS.

No, ways easier: the About->Credits->Translation content is stored in
msgid "translator-credits".
See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Adjust_special_messages
and as example
https://hosted.weblate.org/browse/gnucash/gnucash/de/?q=translator-credit&sort_by=priority%2C-position&checksum=

Annual task for translators: update the last year of your activity.
Ideally this should be done before the first release in a new year.

  > But you're not the only Weblate contributor who should be credited. We need 
a
process to collect and maintain the list. Frank Ellenberger, any ideas in that
respect?

Weblate stores all contributors in the file header as comment. The list
should appear in reverse order (recent first) in msgid
"translator-credits". For privacy reasons without individual email
addresses, but another contact address.

I don't know if we really want all translators of all languages in the
AUTHORS file.

  > Regards,
  > John Ralls

Regards
Frank


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Re: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement as Dutch translator

2023-12-18 Thread step...@paternottes.net 
   Potentially awkward situation in the Dutch translation
   ([1]https://hostedweblate.org/translate/gnucash/gnucash/nl/?checksum=de
   ecda9491124d4f) where the first line mentions the current (single)
   translator followed by the translators that have preceeded.

   I would not want to claim the 1st position.

   Stephan Paternotte
   Amsterdam
   Nederland
   ---
   E: step...@paternottes.net
 __

   Van: Frank H. Ellenberger 
   Verstuurd: maandag, december 18, 2023 10:14:35 p.m.
   Aan: john ; Stephan Paternotte
   
   CC: gnucash-devel@gnucash.org 
   Onderwerp: [GNC-dev] Update of translator-credits; was: Acknowledgement
   as Dutch translator
   Hi,
   Am 18.12.23 um 16:50 schrieb john:
   > The simplest (for me, anyway) would be for you to make a Github Pull
   Request with the change.
   >
   >> On Dec 18, 2023, at 02:56, Stephan Paternotte
wrote:
   >>
   >> Hello John,
   >>
   >> I've contributed to the Dutch translations of GnuCash on weblate for
   quite some time already, adding missing translations and revising
   inconsistencies.
   >> What would it take to be included on the list of Dutch translation
   contributors in the About dialogue?
   >>
   >
   > The simplest (for me, anyway) would be for you to make a Github Pull
   Request with the change to AUTHORS.
   No, ways easier: the About->Credits->Translation content is stored in
   msgid "translator-credits".
   See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Translation#Adjust_special_messages
   and as example
   https://hosted.weblate.org/browse/gnucash/gnucash/de/?q=translator-cred
   it&sort_by=priority%2C-position&checksum=
   Annual task for translators: update the last year of your activity.
   Ideally this should be done before the first release in a new year.
   > But you're not the only Weblate contributor who should be credited.
   We need a process to collect and maintain the list. Frank Ellenberger,
   any ideas in that respect?
   Weblate stores all contributors in the file header as comment. The list
   should appear in reverse order (recent first) in msgid
   "translator-credits". For privacy reasons without individual email
   addresses, but another contact address.
   I don't know if we really want all translators of all languages in the
   AUTHORS file.
   > Regards,
   > John Ralls
   Regards
   Frank

References

   1. 
https://hosted.weblate.org/translate/gnucash/gnucash/nl/?checksum=deecda9491124d4f
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