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Re: Basic Register - Removing Unwanted Columns

2017-09-13 Thread Buddha Buck

Keith,

The "Transfer" column isn't ever going to go away. It's fundamental to the
concept of double-entry bookkeeping as GnuCash implements it. Double-entry
bookkeeping tracks flows of value, and the transfer column says what the
other side of the flow is.

As for debit and credit, roughly speaking debits are places where money
goes, and credits are places where money comes from. But different people
involved in a transaction see things in different ways.

For instance, if you borrow $100 from a friend, to you you are getting
money from your friend (crediting her "Loan from Sheila") and putting it in
your wallet (debiting your "cash on hand"). She, on the other hand, see it
as taking money from her wallet (crediting her "cash on hand") and giving
it to you (debiting her "Loan to Keith"). It's the same transaction, but
what each side records is different.

The same holds for a bank account. When you deposit your paycheck, you are
getting money from your employer (crediting your "Income from Work"
account) and putting it in the bank (debiting your "Acme Bank Account").
Your bank, on the other hand, is getting money from you (crediting their
"Keith Winans" account) and putting it in their big pile of money (debiting
their "Cash On Hand" account).

When you get a bank statement, they just list off all the transactions in
their "Keith Winans" account, which shows your paycheck as a "credit". From
their point of view it is, but from your point of view, it's a debit.

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 11:22 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> With regard to Debit/Credit: common use of these terms is not the same as
> use in formal accounting. Take a look at the Guide beginning at
> https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/basics-accounting1.html
>  >
>
> Cheers,
> David
>
> > On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Fross, Michael  wrote:
> >
> > Keith,
> >
> > I unchecked "Use Formal Accounting Labels" in the Preferences Accounts
> > tab.  This confused me as well, but the new "Deposit" "Withdrawal" make a
> > lot more sense to me.
> >
> > I'm interested to hear how this is correct in accounting speak.
> >
> > Michael
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Keith Winans 
> wrote:
> >
> >> I only want to use the gnucash register to keep track of my deposits and
> >> payments.
> >> I would like to remove 'Num, Transfer, and R' from the list of columns.
> >> Is there any way to do this?
> >>
> >> Also, the Debit and Credit columns seem to me to be backward.
> >> I enter a deposit in the Credit column and it comes out as a negative.
> >> I enter a payment in the Debit column and it comes in as a deposit.
> >> Please clarify this for me please, this is my first time to use a check
> >> register program.
> >> Thanks,
> >> Keith
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Re: Basic Register - Removing Unwanted Columns

2017-09-13 Thread David T. via gnucash-user

With regard to Debit/Credit: common use of these terms is not the same as use 
in formal accounting. Take a look at the Guide beginning at 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v2.6/C/gnucash-guide/basics-accounting1.html 


Cheers,
David

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 7:48 PM, Fross, Michael  wrote:
> 
> Keith,
> 
> I unchecked "Use Formal Accounting Labels" in the Preferences Accounts
> tab.  This confused me as well, but the new "Deposit" "Withdrawal" make a
> lot more sense to me.
> 
> I'm interested to hear how this is correct in accounting speak.
> 
> Michael
> 
> On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Keith Winans  wrote:
> 
>> I only want to use the gnucash register to keep track of my deposits and
>> payments.
>> I would like to remove 'Num, Transfer, and R' from the list of columns.
>> Is there any way to do this?
>> 
>> Also, the Debit and Credit columns seem to me to be backward.
>> I enter a deposit in the Credit column and it comes out as a negative.
>> I enter a payment in the Debit column and it comes in as a deposit.
>> Please clarify this for me please, this is my first time to use a check
>> register program.
>> Thanks,
>> Keith
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Re: Mac OS accelerator keys

2017-09-13 Thread John Morris

> On Sep 13, 2017, at 4:35 AM, Deva -  wrote:
> 
> One peculiar observation though. I used  as a tag on some shortcuts 
> while tagging the others with . I was expecting the  ones to 
> invoked by using +key and the  ones to be invoked by using 
> +key.
> 
> However, on launching gnucash, all menu options get converted to 
> +key and can be invoked only by the  key (even the ones 
> meant for invoking by the  key).
> 
> So, I closed gnucash and went back and looked the accelerator-map file again. 
> And it looks like all the lines I edited with the  tag have been 
> converted back to use  tag.

  I suspect that this is due to the fact that, on a Mac, the option key cannot 
be used by itself to fire a command. All "normal" keyboard shortcuts on a Mac 
must involve at least one of the Command or Control keys. There are apparent 
exceptions to this rule, but they are all either special functions of the 
operating system (such as accented characters) or specially programmed features 
in particular applications (such as using unmodified keys to access tools in 
various drawing programs).

Best,
John
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Re: Basic Register - Removing Unwanted Columns

2017-09-13 Thread Fross, Michael

Keith,

I unchecked "Use Formal Accounting Labels" in the Preferences Accounts
tab.  This confused me as well, but the new "Deposit" "Withdrawal" make a
lot more sense to me.

I'm interested to hear how this is correct in accounting speak.

Michael

On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 9:37 AM, Keith Winans  wrote:

> I only want to use the gnucash register to keep track of my deposits and
> payments.
> I would like to remove 'Num, Transfer, and R' from the list of columns.
> Is there any way to do this?
>
> Also, the Debit and Credit columns seem to me to be backward.
> I enter a deposit in the Credit column and it comes out as a negative.
> I enter a payment in the Debit column and it comes in as a deposit.
> Please clarify this for me please, this is my first time to use a check
> register program.
> Thanks,
> Keith
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Basic Register - Removing Unwanted Columns

2017-09-13 Thread Keith Winans

I only want to use the gnucash register to keep track of my deposits and 
payments.

I would like to remove 'Num, Transfer, and R' from the list of columns.
Is there any way to do this?

Also, the Debit and Credit columns seem to me to be backward.
I enter a deposit in the Credit column and it comes out as a negative.
I enter a payment in the Debit column and it comes in as a deposit.
Please clarify this for me please, this is my first time to use a check 
register program.

Thanks,
Keith
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Re: Mac OS accelerator keys

2017-09-13 Thread Deva -

Thanks Christoph.

It seems all lines had that “;” at the beginning, even the commonly used 
cut/copy/paste, so it didn’t occur to me that these were commented lines.

I removed the “;” at the beginning of the said entires and it works just fine.

One peculiar observation though. I used  as a tag on some shortcuts 
while tagging the others with . I was expecting the  ones to 
invoked by using +key and the  ones to be invoked by using 
+key.

However, on launching gnucash, all menu options get converted to +key 
and can be invoked only by the  key (even the ones meant for invoking 
by the  key).

So, I closed gnucash and went back and looked the accelerator-map file again. 
And it looks like all the lines I edited with the  tag have been 
converted back to use  tag.

Not an issue, just an observation. I can make useful shortcuts for now - all to 
be invoked with the “Command” key instead of the “Alt” key. Just thought I’d 
list the observation here just in case the intended behaviour was different.

Thanks again to both of you for timely help.

Cheers.
Deva
On 13-Sep-2017, at 1:17 PM, Christoph R 
> 
wrote:

Hi Deva,

did you remove the semicolon at the start of the line?
The semicolon is the comment character which will make Gnucash ignore the line.

Cheers,
Christoph

Am 13.09.2017 um 07:44 schrieb Deva - 
>:

Thank you for the response John.

It was nice to know some historical context on this one.

I changed the ~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash/accelerator-map file as you 
suggested (see sample extract below). First, I had it as "b”, “l”, 
etc. Started up gnucash, but nothing was happening when I pressed the Alt+l or 
Alt+j key on an open account register while I was on a transaction line.

So I closed gnucash, went back and edited the file again to replace  with 
 as shown in the extract here. Started up gnucash again, and used the 
“Command” key with these letter combinations, but still no effect.

; (gtk_accel_path "/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/ViewStyleBasicAction" 
"b”)
; (gtk_accel_path 
"/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/ViewStyleAutoSplitAction" "l”)
; (gtk_accel_path 
"/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/JumpTransactionAction" "j”)
; (gtk_accel_path 
"/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/DuplicateTransactionAction" 
"d”)

I perform these actions fairly frequently on any given transaction register, so 
I am keen on getting this to work.

Am I missing something?

Cheers,
Deva

On 12-Sep-2017, at 8:09 PM, John Ralls 
> 
wrote:

On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Deva - 
>
 wrote:

Hello,

I am running Gnucash v2.6.6 on Mac OS Sierra.

This is in response to an earlier post clarifying how to setup keyboard access 
to frequently performed functions by Christopher Lam (see below). I couldn’t 
find a way to respond to that specific thread from my daily digest mail, hence 
this.

I presume that post was about a windows fix. On my Mac, I found a similar file 
called osx_accel_map under 
/Applications/Gnucash/Contents/Resources/share/gnucash/ui.

I edited the file (after making a backup of the original file) for the 2 lines 
mentioned in the earlier post, but instead of "j" and "l”, I 
changed it to “j” and “l” based on other such entries in the file.

I restarted gnucash after these edits, but these accelerator keys don’t seem to 
work on an open register. I tried pressing both  as well as  for 
the  key, but with no effect - nothing happens.

Can you please let me know how I can set this up for a Mac?

Deva,

The file you want to edit is ~/Library/Application 
Support/Gnucash/accelerator-map. The one in the bundle is obsolete and not used.

 means “Command” on Mac and “Control” everywhere else.  means 
“Alt”; on a Mac that’s the Alt/Option key. (The history about that is that I 
had a spirited discussion with Mitch Natterer of The GIMP about how to map 
control to command.  isn’t a modifier key in Gtk. I wanted to map 
command to meta, but Mitch insisted that  should be Alt/Option to be 
consistent with Linux and Win32. He solved the problem rather elegantly by 
inventing . Shortly after that Mike Alexander improved my accelerator 
map code in GnuCash to not use osx_accel_map but didn’t remove it in case it 
might prove useful.)

Regards,
John Ralls

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Re: Mac OS accelerator keys

2017-09-13 Thread Christoph R

Hi Deva,

did you remove the semicolon at the start of the line? 
The semicolon is the comment character which will make Gnucash ignore the line.

Cheers,
Christoph

> Am 13.09.2017 um 07:44 schrieb Deva - :
> 
> Thank you for the response John.
> 
> It was nice to know some historical context on this one.
> 
> I changed the ~/Library/Application Support/Gnucash/accelerator-map file as 
> you suggested (see sample extract below). First, I had it as "b”, 
> “l”, etc. Started up gnucash, but nothing was happening when I pressed 
> the Alt+l or Alt+j key on an open account register while I was on a 
> transaction line.
> 
> So I closed gnucash, went back and edited the file again to replace  
> with  as shown in the extract here. Started up gnucash again, and 
> used the “Command” key with these letter combinations, but still no effect.
> 
> ; (gtk_accel_path 
> "/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/ViewStyleBasicAction" "b”)
> ; (gtk_accel_path 
> "/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/ViewStyleAutoSplitAction" 
> "l”)
> ; (gtk_accel_path 
> "/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/JumpTransactionAction" "j”)
> ; (gtk_accel_path 
> "/GncPluginPageRegisterActions/DuplicateTransactionAction" 
> "d”)
> 
> I perform these actions fairly frequently on any given transaction register, 
> so I am keen on getting this to work.
> 
> Am I missing something?
> 
> Cheers,
> Deva
> 
> On 12-Sep-2017, at 8:09 PM, John Ralls 
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2017, at 5:30 AM, Deva - 
> > wrote:
> 
> Hello,
> 
> I am running Gnucash v2.6.6 on Mac OS Sierra.
> 
> This is in response to an earlier post clarifying how to setup keyboard 
> access to frequently performed functions by Christopher Lam (see below). I 
> couldn’t find a way to respond to that specific thread from my daily digest 
> mail, hence this.
> 
> I presume that post was about a windows fix. On my Mac, I found a similar 
> file called osx_accel_map under 
> /Applications/Gnucash/Contents/Resources/share/gnucash/ui.
> 
> I edited the file (after making a backup of the original file) for the 2 
> lines mentioned in the earlier post, but instead of "j" and 
> "l”, I changed it to “j” and “l” based on other such 
> entries in the file.
> 
> I restarted gnucash after these edits, but these accelerator keys don’t seem 
> to work on an open register. I tried pressing both  as well as 
>  for the  key, but with no effect - nothing happens.
> 
> Can you please let me know how I can set this up for a Mac?
> 
> Deva,
> 
> The file you want to edit is ~/Library/Application 
> Support/Gnucash/accelerator-map. The one in the bundle is obsolete and not 
> used.
> 
>  means “Command” on Mac and “Control” everywhere else.  means 
> “Alt”; on a Mac that’s the Alt/Option key. (The history about that is that I 
> had a spirited discussion with Mitch Natterer of The GIMP about how to map 
> control to command.  isn’t a modifier key in Gtk. I wanted to map 
> command to meta, but Mitch insisted that  should be Alt/Option to be 
> consistent with Linux and Win32. He solved the problem rather elegantly by 
> inventing . Shortly after that Mike Alexander improved my 
> accelerator map code in GnuCash to not use osx_accel_map but didn’t remove it 
> in case it might prove useful.)
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
> 
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