Re: [GNC] retained earnings in balance sheet: where does it come from?

2019-03-24 Thread Christopher Lam
In the balance sheet, retained earnings refer to total income minus
expenses on the report date.

On Thu., 14 Mar. 2019, 04:35 Andrea Borgia,  wrote:

> Il 10/03/19 10:16, Adrien Monteleone ha scritto:
>
>
> > The fact that this is also the same amount as this particular
> > transaction you entered for 13/01/17 is purely coincidental. (and
> > should be, since it is entered in 2017 and you are running a balance
> > sheet as of 31/12/16, unless you *aren’t* setting that report date
> > properly) Transactions after 31/12/16 (or whatever date you run your
> > balance sheet for) are not part of the report calculation, so they
> > can’t affect it.
>
> I'm not a big fan of coincidences where lots of transactions are
> involved and the difference matches just one of them.
>
> I had made an error in the P calculation for 2016, meaning I had
> included that amount as a loss instead of leaving it out. Now that am
> splitting the file, I have fixed the mistake for 2016 already and 2017
> is next in line.
>
>
> > 2015 might not show that line, but that would mean your expenses
> > match your income exactly for that year, an unlikely but not
> > impossible scenario.
>
> No, no, it's downright impossible: I am saving quite a bit each year but
> I was closing the books (even before splitting) at the end of the year
> so the balance sheet on dec.31st would show all zeroes... unless someone
> with fat fingers had made an error and included an entry from the
> following year :P
>
> With one file per year, I saw that closing the books on jan.1st of the
> following year would enable me to have a meaningful balance sheet and
> that's what I'll be doing. That has the added bonus of being much easier
> to carry over to the next year.
>
>
> Last but not least, sorry if I mix up some terms: I am not an accountant
> so, each time I want to ask a question, I have to re-run gnucash in
> English to check whether the report I used in Italian is what I expect
> it to be with an English label.
>
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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[GNC] Some chinese words can not be displayed

2019-03-24 Thread Richard Zhang
Hi Support,
I got a problem when I use the GNUCASH.

Environment: Window 10 Enterprise
Version: 1709
Language: English

Symptom: some words in menu and description can not be displayed.
[cid:image001.png@01D4E22A.DB249AA0]

Pls help.
Thanks!
BR/Richard
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Re: [GNC] Tweak of Memorized Transactions

2019-03-24 Thread Liz
On Sun, 24 Mar 2019 13:52:56 -0500
Dale Alspach  wrote:

> I use the Memo line once in a while for purchases at some stores, but
> usually it is left blank. In single line mode later I will enter
> another purchase at the same store, the memorized transaction fills
> the Memo field with the memo from the earlier transaction which is
> not relevant for this one. Further this is hidden in single line mode
> so the transaction is posted with the bogus memo. This produces false
> positives when searching on the memo field.

If you believe my books, I have bought lots of washing machines at all
sorts of prices.
I'm mostly using double line view now.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Tweak of Memorized Transactions

2019-03-24 Thread GAH

I agree.

On 3/24/2019 2:59 PM, Jack Slater wrote:

Good ideas.


On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:

This is really a request for enhancement but I thought I would see what
others thought before formally adding it.

I use the Memo line once in a while for purchases at some stores, but
usually it is left blank. In single line mode later I will enter another
purchase at the same store, the memorized transaction fills the Memo field
with the memo from the earlier transaction which is not relevant for this
one. Further this is hidden in single line mode so the transaction is
posted with the bogus memo. This produces false positives when searching on
the memo field.

I could use auto-split mode but this is annoying when most transactions do
not need the extra steps. To overcome this issue it would be convenient to
have one or both of these options in the Preferences:
1. Automatically open the detail (split) view if any of the Memo fields of
the proposed transaction are not empty.
2. Do not insert the contents of Memo fields in memorized transactions (in
single line mode?).

Do other users want something like this?

Dale
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Re: [GNC] Finance::Quotes stopped working for me

2019-03-24 Thread John Ralls
Bruno,

No, there's no reason to install a fake-linux package manager.

You said "Library/Perl", does that mean /Users/backlin/Library/Perl or 
/Library/Perl? It should be the latter. If it's the former, what's in 
/Library/Perl?

Assuming that it *is* /Library/Perl, there are several packages that should be 
there and aren't. I suggest
  sudo rm -rf /Library/Perl/5.18/Finance
  sudo rm -rf ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote*
  sudo rm -rf -/.cpan/build/Date-Manip*
  sudo cpan -i Date::Manip
  sudo cpan -i Finance::Quote

Check the output of those last two to make sure that they complete 
successfully. Reinstalling Finance::Quote should pull in the other packages. 
After it's done /Library/Perl/5.18 should contain Date, DateTime, Finance, LWP, 
and LWP.pm in addition to the modules already there.

Regards,
John Ralls


> On Mar 24, 2019, at 2:36 PM, Bruno Acklin  wrote:
> 
> Hi John,
> 
> Sorry for the omission and delay.
> 
> No, I have none of these “fake-Linux package managers”(?) installed - should 
> I?
> 
> The reply to backlin$ which perl is
> /usr/bin/perl
> 
> In usr/bin I find two entries:
> perl and
> perl5.18
> 
> The directory Library/Perl contains
> /5.18
>   /Darwin-thread-multi-2level
>   /Finance
>   /HTML
>   /JSON
>   /Mozilla
>   /AppendToPath
>   /JSON.pm
> /Updates
>   /5.18.2
>   /Darwin-thread-multi-2level
> 
> Looking up contents of 
> ~/.cpan/build/ :
> Date-Manip-6.75-JzZ9WtExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-_6iXcq
> Date-Manip-6.76-9mWyaNFinance-Quote-1.47-_BUlzK
> Date-Manip-6.76-NE8c76Finance-Quote-1.47-nChsgf
> Date-Manip-6.76-QNnn65HTML-TableExtract-2.15-dP4w2A
> ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-695wh2JSON-4.02-RrPsdw
> ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-DVwu8UMozilla-CA-20180117-TgJL7x
> ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-U01uzs
> 
> Trying your suggestion with /stockdump.pm for both fnq builds I get a 
> delayed, identical result, even if I misspell aap(l) for a non-existing 
> ticker:
> 
> backlin$ ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-_BUlzK/Examples/stockdump.pl 
> yahoo_json aapl
> $VAR1 = {
>  'aaplsymbol' => 'aapl',
>  'aaplsuccess' => 0,
>  'aaplerrormsg' => 'Error retrieving quote for aapl. Attempt to fetch 
> the URL https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl 
> resulted in HTTP response 500 (Internal Server Error)'
> 
> and
> backlin$ ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-nChsgf/Examples/stockdump.pl 
> yahoo_json aap
> $VAR1 = {
>  'aapsymbol' => 'aap',
>  'aapsuccess' => 0,
>  'aaperrormsg' => 'Error retrieving quote for aap. Attempt to fetch 
> the URL https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aap 
> resulted in HTTP response 500 (Internal Server Error)'
>};
> 
> I am hoping this might give you a clue. I have no idea what could have gone 
> wrong. Just that finance quote stopped working on my desktop and my laptop 
> the same week, when I did not do anything on my system, not even reboot, 
> other than changing the network access updating the router configuration.
> 
> Thanks, and best, Bruno
> 
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 7:46 PM, John Ralls  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
>> 
>> Curl and your browser working exonerates your router.
>> 
>> *Re*-installing perl would I think be challenging; it's provided as part of 
>> MacOS so I'd think that the only safe way to do it would be to reinstall the 
>> OS.
>> 
>> That said, do you have any of the fake-Linux package managers--Homebrew, 
>> MacPorts, or Fink--installed?
>> 
>> What's the output of running
>> which perl
>> from the command line?
>> How about 
>> ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-XX/Examples/stockdump.pl yahoo_json aapl
>> (the XX bit is random characters that depends on the installation).
>> 
>> Regards,
>> John Ralls
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Bruno Acklin  wrote:
>>> 
>>> No, I get an instant reply with content:
>>> {"quoteResponse":{"result":[{"language":"en-US","region":"US","quoteType":"EQUITY","quoteSourceName":"Nasdaq
>>>  Real Time Price","currency":"USD","regularMarketPrice":191.05,..
>>> 
>>> Same if I use the fnc query from my browser:
>>> https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl
>>> 
>>> Any other ideas, especially related to the router change?
>>> 
>>> Is there a point and safe way in reinstalling all of PERL on MacOS Mojave?
>>> 
>>> Best, Bruno
>>> 
 On Mar 22, 2019, at 12:05 PM, John Ralls  
 wrote:
 
 https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl
>>> 
>> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] Finance::Quotes stopped working for me

2019-03-24 Thread Bruno Acklin
Hi John,

Sorry for the omission and delay.

No, I have none of these “fake-Linux package managers”(?) installed - should I?

The reply to backlin$ which perl is
/usr/bin/perl

In usr/bin I find two entries:
perl and
perl5.18

The directory Library/Perl contains
/5.18
/Darwin-thread-multi-2level
/Finance
/HTML
/JSON
/Mozilla
/AppendToPath
/JSON.pm
/Updates
/5.18.2
/Darwin-thread-multi-2level

Looking up contents of 
~/.cpan/build/ :
Date-Manip-6.75-JzZ9Wt  ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-_6iXcq
Date-Manip-6.76-9mWyaN  Finance-Quote-1.47-_BUlzK
Date-Manip-6.76-NE8c76  Finance-Quote-1.47-nChsgf
Date-Manip-6.76-QNnn65  HTML-TableExtract-2.15-dP4w2A
ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-695wh2  JSON-4.02-RrPsdw
ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-DVwu8U  Mozilla-CA-20180117-TgJL7x
ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34-U01uzs

Trying your suggestion with /stockdump.pm for both fnq builds I get a delayed, 
identical result, even if I misspell aap(l) for a non-existing ticker:

backlin$ ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-_BUlzK/Examples/stockdump.pl 
yahoo_json aapl
$VAR1 = {
  'aaplsymbol' => 'aapl',
  'aaplsuccess' => 0,
  'aaplerrormsg' => 'Error retrieving quote for aapl. Attempt to fetch 
the URL https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl resulted 
in HTTP response 500 (Internal Server Error)'

and
backlin$ ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-nChsgf/Examples/stockdump.pl 
yahoo_json aap
$VAR1 = {
  'aapsymbol' => 'aap',
  'aapsuccess' => 0,
  'aaperrormsg' => 'Error retrieving quote for aap. Attempt to fetch 
the URL https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aap resulted 
in HTTP response 500 (Internal Server Error)'
};

I am hoping this might give you a clue. I have no idea what could have gone 
wrong. Just that finance quote stopped working on my desktop and my laptop the 
same week, when I did not do anything on my system, not even reboot, other than 
changing the network access updating the router configuration.

Thanks, and best, Bruno


> On Mar 22, 2019, at 7:46 PM, John Ralls  wrote:
> 
> Please remember to copy the list on all replies.
> 
> Curl and your browser working exonerates your router.
> 
> *Re*-installing perl would I think be challenging; it's provided as part of 
> MacOS so I'd think that the only safe way to do it would be to reinstall the 
> OS.
> 
> That said, do you have any of the fake-Linux package managers--Homebrew, 
> MacPorts, or Fink--installed?
> 
> What's the output of running
>  which perl
> from the command line?
> How about 
>  ~/.cpan/build/Finance-Quote-1.47-XX/Examples/stockdump.pl yahoo_json aapl
> (the XX bit is random characters that depends on the installation).
> 
> Regards,
> John Ralls
> 
>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 3:31 PM, Bruno Acklin  wrote:
>> 
>> No, I get an instant reply with content:
>> {"quoteResponse":{"result":[{"language":"en-US","region":"US","quoteType":"EQUITY","quoteSourceName":"Nasdaq
>>  Real Time Price","currency":"USD","regularMarketPrice":191.05,..
>> 
>> Same if I use the fnc query from my browser:
>> https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl
>> 
>> Any other ideas, especially related to the router change?
>> 
>> Is there a point and safe way in reinstalling all of PERL on MacOS Mojave?
>> 
>> Best, Bruno
>> 
>>> On Mar 22, 2019, at 12:05 PM, John Ralls  
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://query1.finance.yahoo.com/v7/finance/quote?symbols=aapl
>> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?)

2019-03-24 Thread nvsoar

snip

FWIW - this old owl looks at every GnuCash transaction as having one 
source and one or more sinks; and doesn't give a hoot about splits, 
simple transactions, compound transactions inter alia. Have enjoyed the 
back and forth.


Many thanks to the GnuCash developers, contributors and the members of 
the list.


All the best from the Carson Valley,
nvsoar

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Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?)

2019-03-24 Thread David Carlson
Alan

You have triggered a debate  on a very sensitive topic, which is exciting!

Hopefully, we will come to a consensus of opinion and then move forward
together.

David Carlson

On Sun, Mar 24, 2019, 2:24 PM aeg via gnucash-user 
wrote:

> Liz.
> I've responded to your comments collectively in order because inserting
> responses within quoted text has not worked properly on previous occasions,
> so please bear with me...
>
>- I don't believe every term in English in ambiguous.
>- There is no verb form of "split" present in the example I gave,
> although it is true that the wood had split(v) at some time in the past..
>- I used "propagate" to mean that the split was forced to grow.
>- The split itself has gone, only the effects of the split remain in
> the form of uneven edges to the piece of wood.
>- It is interesting to note that you think there is just a single split
> at this stage because GnuCash would interpret it as two!
>- Sawmills don't make logs by splitting. Logs are cut directly from
> trees by sawing. Sawmills convert logs and trees into usable timber by
> sawing; that's why they are called sawmills.
>
> Whilst I do respect everyone's point of view, it is clear that I've wasted
> far too much valuable time trying to help eradicate confusing terminology
> from GnuCash. I've clearly failed, but I do know that most of the
> transactions I enter in GnuCash involve no splits at the user level, so I
> shall continue to use it for double entry bookkeeping rather than double
> split bookkeeping.
> That's all from me on this topic you'll no doubt be relieved to know!.
> Kind regards,
> Alan
>
>
> > Thank you to those who have tried to educate me on the use of the
> > word "split" in GnuCash, but whilst I believe that I understand how
> > it is being used, the reason for using such an ambiguous term remains
> > puzzling when better alternatives exist.
> Every term in English is ambiguous - it's the nature of the language
> and why jokes involving language are so prominent.
>
>
> > I have a piece of wood that
> > has a split in it caused by uneven shrinkage. It is one piece of wood
> > with one split.
> Split - noun.
> Don't forget Split - verb
>
>
> > If I choose to propagate that split
> why did you choose "propagate" rather than "split"
>
> > by forcing a
> > wedge or axe into it, I end up with two pieces of wood and the split
> > suddenly disappears.
> No, the split has now enlarged to a point at which you can ignore it.
>
>
> > The split has not magically turned into two splits
> No, there is no magic. You still have a single split, but instead of it
> being partial it is a complete split.
>
>
> > and if I plane the edges of the two pieces of wood there will
> > be no evidence that the split ever existed.
> Cosmetic only.
> We all know that it didn't grow like that, it was part of a bigger
> whole, and that at the sawmill they made multiple splits to make logs.
>
>
> Alan,
> we are trying to present a number of different points of view, please
> look at these different points of view.
>
> Liz
>
>
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Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?)

2019-03-24 Thread aeg via gnucash-user
Liz.
I've responded to your comments collectively in order because inserting 
responses within quoted text has not worked properly on previous occasions, so 
please bear with me...
   
   - I don't believe every term in English in ambiguous.
   - There is no verb form of "split" present in the example I gave, although 
it is true that the wood had split(v) at some time in the past..
   - I used "propagate" to mean that the split was forced to grow.
   - The split itself has gone, only the effects of the split remain in the 
form of uneven edges to the piece of wood.
   - It is interesting to note that you think there is just a single split at 
this stage because GnuCash would interpret it as two!
   - Sawmills don't make logs by splitting. Logs are cut directly from trees by 
sawing. Sawmills convert logs and trees into usable timber by sawing; that's 
why they are called sawmills.

Whilst I do respect everyone's point of view, it is clear that I've wasted far 
too much valuable time trying to help eradicate confusing terminology from 
GnuCash. I've clearly failed, but I do know that most of the transactions I 
enter in GnuCash involve no splits at the user level, so I shall continue to 
use it for double entry bookkeeping rather than double split bookkeeping.
That's all from me on this topic you'll no doubt be relieved to know!.
Kind regards,
Alan


> Thank you to those who have tried to educate me on the use of the
> word "split" in GnuCash, but whilst I believe that I understand how
> it is being used, the reason for using such an ambiguous term remains
> puzzling when better alternatives exist. 
Every term in English is ambiguous - it's the nature of the language
and why jokes involving language are so prominent.


> I have a piece of wood that
> has a split in it caused by uneven shrinkage. It is one piece of wood
> with one split. 
Split - noun.
Don't forget Split - verb
 

> If I choose to propagate that split
why did you choose "propagate" rather than "split"

> by forcing a
> wedge or axe into it, I end up with two pieces of wood and the split
> suddenly disappears. 
No, the split has now enlarged to a point at which you can ignore it.


> The split has not magically turned into two splits
No, there is no magic. You still have a single split, but instead of it
being partial it is a complete split.


> and if I plane the edges of the two pieces of wood there will
> be no evidence that the split ever existed.
Cosmetic only.
We all know that it didn't grow like that, it was part of a bigger
whole, and that at the sawmill they made multiple splits to make logs.


Alan, 
we are trying to present a number of different points of view, please
look at these different points of view.

Liz


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Re: [GNC] Tweak of Memorized Transactions

2019-03-24 Thread Jack Slater
Good ideas. 

> On Mar 24, 2019, at 1:52 PM, Dale Alspach  wrote:
> 
> This is really a request for enhancement but I thought I would see what
> others thought before formally adding it.
> 
> I use the Memo line once in a while for purchases at some stores, but
> usually it is left blank. In single line mode later I will enter another
> purchase at the same store, the memorized transaction fills the Memo field
> with the memo from the earlier transaction which is not relevant for this
> one. Further this is hidden in single line mode so the transaction is
> posted with the bogus memo. This produces false positives when searching on
> the memo field.
> 
> I could use auto-split mode but this is annoying when most transactions do
> not need the extra steps. To overcome this issue it would be convenient to
> have one or both of these options in the Preferences:
> 1. Automatically open the detail (split) view if any of the Memo fields of
> the proposed transaction are not empty.
> 2. Do not insert the contents of Memo fields in memorized transactions (in
> single line mode?).
> 
> Do other users want something like this?
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[GNC] Tweak of Memorized Transactions

2019-03-24 Thread Dale Alspach
This is really a request for enhancement but I thought I would see what
others thought before formally adding it.

I use the Memo line once in a while for purchases at some stores, but
usually it is left blank. In single line mode later I will enter another
purchase at the same store, the memorized transaction fills the Memo field
with the memo from the earlier transaction which is not relevant for this
one. Further this is hidden in single line mode so the transaction is
posted with the bogus memo. This produces false positives when searching on
the memo field.

I could use auto-split mode but this is annoying when most transactions do
not need the extra steps. To overcome this issue it would be convenient to
have one or both of these options in the Preferences:
1. Automatically open the detail (split) view if any of the Memo fields of
the proposed transaction are not empty.
2. Do not insert the contents of Memo fields in memorized transactions (in
single line mode?).

Do other users want something like this?

Dale
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Re: [GNC] The Meaning of Split (previously Example of multi-split feature of CSV importer?)

2019-03-24 Thread Michael or Penny Novack

On 3/23/2019 6:04 PM, aeg via gnucash-user wrote:

Thank you to those who have tried to educate me on the use of the word "split" 
in GnuCash, but whilst I believe that I understand how it is being used, the reason for 
using such an ambiguous term remains puzzling when better alternatives exist.
Is the objection then just to the term "split" being used when going 
from the simplified method of entry (usable for the vast majority of 
transactions where only two accounts are involved) to the more general 
"journal view" form of entry that can be used for any transaction?


You are right in the sense that nothing is being "split". The developers 
could have used something more descriptive like "enter in journal view".


Do you understand that gnucash would allow you to enter even simple 
(just two accounts affected) transactions in this more complicated way? 
Instead of entering the second account in the space provided hit the 
"split" button (the "change to journal view" button) and enter the 
second account on its own line. In other words, the "simple" (unsplit) 
method of entry is simply a work flow shortcut making entering the vast 
majority of transactions much faster/easier.


To those of us who learned bookkeeping in the "old days", first entering 
transactions in the journal, what is happening with "split" is obvious. 
We are entering transactions the "old fashioned way" and with the hit of 
the  key at the end doing the "post".


Those of us who know the computer language c and unix know that strange 
(hard to read shortened spellings) were used by the engineers at Bell 
Labs who preferred shorter (less key strokes) even if they had to be 
memorized. Thus "mount" and "umount" (had to remember, no first "n"). I 
heard that this is because none of them could touch type. But also how 
engineer minds work, in the long run, less time spent learning that 
"umount" was spelled that way than all the times afterwards hitting that 
extra "n".


Just think of "enter in journal view" as being spelled "split".

Michael D Novack
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