Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
Colin That is my take on the FHS defnitions as well. Distro packagers should be installing third part software into /usr as frank pointed out. David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
Frank, This is obviously where the process of standardization becomes a bit murky. Now 4.1 of the FHS(v3.0) wrt /usr states 4.1. Purpose /usr is the second major section of the filesystem. /usr is shareable, read-only data. That means that /usr should be shareable between various FHS-compliant hosts and must not be written to. Any information that is host-specific or varies with time is stored elsewhere. Large software packages must not use a direct subdirectory under the /usr hierarchy. and 4.9.1 wrt /usr/local 4.9.1. Purpose The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that are shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. Locally installed software must be placed within /usr/local rather than /usr unless it is being installed to replace or upgrade software in /usr. On my computers I am by default the system administrator and I install programs like GnuCash on my system (in my case I build them but i do install other packages from the repositories of third party software made available by the a subset of the maintainers of my distro who package software for use on my system - far too slowly for my personal liking). If I look at what is in /usr it is packages like apt, blueman, cinnamon (desktop), cli, ufw, gufw and various installation, update, backup tools for the OS which are largely to do with inter-operation of my computer with other external computers and my LAN . I also have some packages like calibre, ebook, jupyter (some parts of) , R, scilab, sagemath which are packages I optionally install usually from my distributions software repository although that is not the case for R, scilab, sagemath. I would argue the latter should really be installed in /usr/local. It has been so long since I installed the GnuCash version from the LM software repository (2.6.19 and a flatpak version 3.7) , I no longer remember where it does install whether to /usr or /usr/local. Just did that and 2.6.19 installs to /usr (/usr/bin/gnucash, /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/gnucash, /usr/include/gnucash, /usr/share/gnucash, /usr/share/man/man1/gnucash.1.gz) and I can run either 2.6.19 with /usr/bin/gnucash or my own localbuild of 3.7 with /usr/local/bin/gnucash separately without any obvious problems (I didn't open any files as I have been using V3.0-3.7 since they came out and i don't want to recreate the user config files but the program (2.6.19) went as far as the file open dialog). Interestingly after I remove it using the software manager /usr/include/gnucash and /usr/share/gnucash (same contents as /usr/local/share/gnucash) remain on my system (they weren't there before I installed form the repository) so the distribution packagers are not fully removing GnuCash from the system. /etc/gnucash is not removed by the software manager uninstall but it dates from my installation from my own build and not the installation from the software manager. Removing these two directories manually did not interfere with running my local build installed in /usr/local. I will report that as a LM bug My own local build installs to the following locations: /etc/gnucash /usr/local/bin/gnucash /usr/local/etc/gnucash /usr/local/lib/gnucash /usr/local/share/gnucash although whereis is not a reliable method of locating all files ( only binaries and source) installed on a system. locate does a better job but then too much information. I piped that to a file (11Mb) which I will check out to see if there is any other strange stuff lurking. The flathub version seems to install stuff to locations under /var as there were a lot of gnucash/flatpak related files there. I also tried installing from the flathub but that failed to install. It might require me to update the flathub installation but I am not going to pursue that. I am not particularly a fan. It seems to leave a lot of empty cache directories scattered around /var which can presumably be deleted without consequence. I will uninstall flathub as well as the flathub version of gnucash and see what is left. Just the gnucash related files found in mu ~/.local/share/Trash was an education. I should recover quite a bit of disk space justclearing that out. When LM goes through a major version upgrade I usually do a total fresh install including all user software to clear all the rubbish out. Cheers David - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
Thanks for the confirmation! > On Oct 26, 2019, at 2:24 PM, Colin Law wrote: > > "The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when > installing software locally" means software that is *not* installed > using the normal packaging system. The packaging system will not > install to that location so it is safe to put things like self-built > gnucash there. > > Colin > > On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 22:16, chris graves wrote: >> >> I guess I'm confused, when I read the FHS, I see: >> >> 4.9.1. Purpose >> The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when >> installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when >> the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that >> are shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. Locally >> installed software must be placed within /usr/local rather than /usr unless >> it is being installed to replace or upgrade software in /usr. >> >>> On Oct 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger >>> wrote: >>> >>> Hi David, >>> >>> Am Sa., 26. Okt. 2019 um 15:58 Uhr schrieb David Cousens >>> : >>> : >>> (only conflict is usually if you have installed an earlier version from the distribution software repository which installs to /usr/local >>> : >>> >>> If that is right, you should file a bug report against your distribution. >>> /usr/local is a forbidden place for them (FHS). They should install into >>> /usr/. >>> David Cousens >>> >>> ~Frank >>> ___ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> - >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
"The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally" means software that is *not* installed using the normal packaging system. The packaging system will not install to that location so it is safe to put things like self-built gnucash there. Colin On Sat, 26 Oct 2019 at 22:16, chris graves wrote: > > I guess I'm confused, when I read the FHS, I see: > > 4.9.1. Purpose > The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when > installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when > the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that are > shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. Locally installed > software must be placed within /usr/local rather than /usr unless it is being > installed to replace or upgrade software in /usr. > > > On Oct 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger > > wrote: > > > > Hi David, > > > > Am Sa., 26. Okt. 2019 um 15:58 Uhr schrieb David Cousens > > : > > : > > (only conflict is usually if you > >> have installed an earlier version from the distribution software repository > >> which installs to /usr/local > > : > > > > If that is right, you should file a bug report against your distribution. > > /usr/local is a forbidden place for them (FHS). They should install into > > /usr/. > > > >> David Cousens > > > > ~Frank > > ___ > > gnucash-user mailing list > > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > > - > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
I guess I'm confused, when I read the FHS, I see: 4.9.1. Purpose The /usr/local hierarchy is for use by the system administrator when installing software locally. It needs to be safe from being overwritten when the system software is updated. It may be used for programs and data that are shareable amongst a group of hosts, but not found in /usr. Locally installed software must be placed within /usr/local rather than /usr unless it is being installed to replace or upgrade software in /usr. > On Oct 26, 2019, at 11:03 AM, Frank H. Ellenberger > wrote: > > Hi David, > > Am Sa., 26. Okt. 2019 um 15:58 Uhr schrieb David Cousens > : > : > (only conflict is usually if you >> have installed an earlier version from the distribution software repository >> which installs to /usr/local > : > > If that is right, you should file a bug report against your distribution. > /usr/local is a forbidden place for them (FHS). They should install into > /usr/. > >> David Cousens > > ~Frank > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
Hi David, Am Sa., 26. Okt. 2019 um 15:58 Uhr schrieb David Cousens : : (only conflict is usually if you > have installed an earlier version from the distribution software repository > which installs to /usr/local : If that is right, you should file a bug report against your distribution. /usr/local is a forbidden place for them (FHS). They should install into /usr/. > David Cousens ~Frank ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
Building v3.0-3.7 directly on either Linux Mint 17,18,19 or Ubuntu 18.04,18.10 etc isn't all that difficult. The main difficulty is getting the correct dependencies and development headers for them installed and setup initially and the build environment setup. The list and notes on the wiki are as complete as I could make it when I started building on Linux Mint 18 and 19. I have been building and installing successfully to /usr/local despite John Ralls reservations (only conflict is usually if you have installed an earlier version from the distribution software repository which installs to /usr/local and it needs to be removed and then not reinstalled over your own build and installation) for multiple users since Linux Mint 16 initially with autotools and then cmake since the configuration shifted to using it. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Backporting Gnucash 3.7 to Ubuntu "Bionic" (or Mint, etc.)
On Fri, Oct 25, 2019 at 11:33 AM Stephen M. Butler wrote: > Since others appear able to provide the packages for Bionic, I'll handle > whichever platform I'm native on. > I haven't seen any activity on the backport request. AND I don't see other apps in bionic-backports, either... as far as I can see there are almost all development tools and libraries. SO maybe I got my hopes up too much; Instead of backports, the only ways for folks to get 3.7 on Bionic, Mint etc. will be flatpak, a PPA or self-build / self-backport. I'll try to get my procedure up on the GnuCash wiki sometime in the next few days. Thanks for your corrections. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
