Re: [GNC] "Stock" Liabilities do not show up under liabilities in Balance Sheet report

[David Cousens]

Hi Bo,

I think I understand what has happened. Accounts of type stock should have an 
Asset account as their parent account not
a Liability account. When you are issued stock as unpaid the Liability account 
will simply be an account of type
Liability not of type Stock. A possible account tree to cover this might look 
like (":" denoting a subaccount).

Assets:Investments:Brokerage:ABCCorp

Liabilities:Investments:Unpaid Stock:ABCCorp

Here Assets, Assets:Investments and Assets Investments:Brokerage will be 
accounts of type Asset and ABCcorp is of type
Stock  and Liabilities, Liabilities:Investments,  
Liabilities:Investments:Unpaid Stock and
Liabilities:Investments:Unpaid Stock:ABCCorp are all accounts of type Liability.

The type and parent are set in the Edit Account dialog. You should be able to 
change them in the dialog

A typical transaction on issues of 100 shares the stock with a face value of 
$10 might look something like:
  noPrice   DebitCredit
Assets:Investments:Brokerage:ABCCorp  100   $10 $1000 
Liabilities:Investments:Unpaid Stock:ABCCorp $1000

With any luck when you have them setup like this they should then appear 
correctly in the Balance Sheet. Give it a try
and let us know how you go.

David


On Mon, 2020-01-27 at 02:17 +, Bo Byrd via gnucash-user wrote:
>  
> Hi yes exactly - it its the other case you describe for "unpaid" issues. 
> Under report options I select all accounts,
> and those liabilities do show up - but they show up in the assets section at 
> the top of the report (where the
> calculation correctly subtracts them from my assets). All that is at the 
> bottom of my balance sheet report is A/P and
> Credit Card accounts.
> 
> I think it has something to do with how I created a "stock" account under the 
> top-level Liabilites account, and then
> how I must record transactions - for example if I am to show receipt of 100 
> units, I will enter "-100" under the "Tot
> Shares" column for the liability account split, and then a "+100" under the 
> "Tot Shares" for the asset account side
> split.
> 
> But then the liability doesnt show up under liabilities - it shows up in the 
> top section "Assets" (as a negative
> value). So its not really off at all as far as the numbers/maths go, its just 
> weird that its showing up top.
> 
> 
> 
> On Sunday Jan 26, 2020; 5:47pm CST, David Cousens  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> The situation you are describing is not clear. By stock do you mean shares
> which are issued to you but which you have not purchased, perhaps as part of
> a stock option?
> 
> It is not clear why you would record this with splits to both Assets and
> Lliabilities. You mention "their liability account". Their liability account
> should not appear in your books , only liabilities, that is obligations you
> have to pay someone, that you have incurred. One would normally record any
> acquistion of stock as an asset against equity, either the temporary income
> and expense accounts of equity or a permanent equity account or as a
> transfer from another asset account. You would normally only incur a
> liability if you borrowed the money to purchase the stock for example, but
> you borrow it not the asset you purchase with it.
> 
> The other case could be if the stock was "unpaid" shares for example where
> you receive an issue, but may be called upon to pay for them at a future
> date. Then it may be appropriate to record that future possible demand for
> payment as a liability. In this case the asset value is neutral in your
> accounts (apart from capital gains and dividends) and it should be included
> in both the totals for assets and liabilities. You may need to check which
> accounts are selected for inclusion in the Balance sheet report and which
> are selected to be displayed explicitly in the report in the Edit->Report
> Options.
> 
> You may have to describe the situation in a bit more detail but this may
> really an accounting question and perhaps you should seek professional
> advice in your jurisdiction on how to record the particular situation.
> 
> David Cousens
> 
> 
> 
> -
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B.Sc, M.Prof. Acc., Ph.D., G.C.Ed

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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[GWB]

If anyone wants to experiment with this, it is possible to selectively
enable and disable specifics parts of SIP:

https://eclecticlight.co/2016/05/03/sip-and-rootless-protecting-more-than-just-system-files/

https://forums.developer.apple.com/thread/17452

To enable SIP but without filesystem protection:

csrutil enable --without fs

That would be safer than disabling SIP entirely.  You can play with
the options and see if they make any difference.  The option above is
the only one I can see that might affect gnucash, but who knows, some
kexts (signed and unsigned) might also affect permissions (again,
unlikely).

That type of behaviour (selectively enable, disable) is like some
secure systems (SELinux extensions is one type) used elsewhere.

Don't forget to clear and enable when done:

# csrutil clear

# csrutil enable (or not, or whatever option you like)

Gordon

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 5:53 PM GWB  wrote:
>
> Apple OS X combined two types of kernels, bsd and mach, but is
> (according to some FreeBSD kernel developers) progressively removing
> the mach kernel components.  This may be due to their possible shift
> to ARM processors for computers (same family of processors as their
> other devices).  But Apple does not, that I can see, adhere to any
> particular kind of standards for directories, user or otherwise.
> "/opt" on OS X is often a hack to get alternative package managers to
> work (like brew and others).  This also applies to the use of
> permissions.  A very limited exposure to Catalina leads me to believe
> they have attempted to secure and harden their permissions scheme, but
> I can't tell if they (and SIP) follow the pattern of bsd's, vax/vms,
> solaris, etc.  As you point out, disabling SIP is probably a bad idea,
> but nice of Apple to provide csrutil anyway.
>
> So give Apple time and they may more closely resemble bsd's ("other
> bsd's"? who knows) at some point.  Apple, like FreeBSD, is POSIX
> compliant, but FreeBSD has a compatibility layer that handles linux
> binaries (pretty simple: kldload linux, kldload linux64, ten necessary
> libraries).  I don't think Apple makes it that easy.
>
> Does Catalina no longer provide a disk utility option to "fix" the
> permissions?  Or does SIP obviate that?  I notice that Catalina (maybe
> back to El Capitan) has (characteristically) changed to a disk
> container system without calling it lvm2.
>
> Blame AT for the less than clear descent into unix, bsd, solaris,
> linux, etc.  They litigated against BSD, the University of Califorina
> Regents fought them off, and now, technically, only AT and licensees
> can use "unix" as a name.  BSD (same code base) went on to start the
> wonderful world of OS's we see now.
>
> Gordon
>
> On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 1:16 PM John Ralls  wrote:
> >
> > Not only that, while Darwin (the underlying unix core of all Apple 
> > operating systems) is BSD Unix, it is *not* Linux and doesn't subscribe to 
> > the Linux Foundation or Free Desktop standards.
> >
> > Not that that matters. I just created /opt on my Mac running Catalina, 
> > changed the privs to 777, and saved-as then loaded a book with GnuCash. I 
> > had at first set GnuCash to have full-disk access, but revoked it and was 
> > still able to load the file, so whatever the OP's problem is it isn't 
> > having the file in /opt, nor is it about SIP which I leave enabled. 
> > Disabling SIP is only needed as a last resort when doing something that 
> > requires changing the library load paths (e.g. using $DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH) 
> > with a system program (e.g. bash). It's vastly safer to copy the system 
> > program into a user directory (I use ~/.local/bin) so that SIP won't mess 
> > with it. Regardless, it has nothing at all to do with users running GnuCash.
> >
> > A far more likely cause of the OP's problem is that permissions on /opt 
> > have gotten changed so that he no longer can write to the directory. I 
> > would expect that if he knows how to create /opt he also knows how to fix 
> > that as well as to ensure that it's backed up with Time Machine and 
> > whatever cloud backup service he uses.
> >
> > Regards,
> > John Ralls
> >
> > P.S. Bruce Schuck, when you reply to a digest please remember to change the 
> > subject back to the original for the particular message to which you're 
> > replying.
> >
> > > On Jan 26, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > But /opt isn’t for user data files according to that standard. The user’s 
> > > own data should still be under their /users tree.
> > >
> > > For example, you could build LibreOffice and store it in /opt, but your 
> > > individual documents would be under /users. (/home in the linux tree)
> > >
> > > I’d say the simpler and safer solution (rather than disabling SIP) is to 
> > > relocate the data files to the /Users area where there are no permissions 
> > > issues.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Adrien
> > >
> > >> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Schuck 
> > >>  

Re: [GNC] "Stock" Liabilities do not show up under liabilities in Balance Sheet report

[Bo Byrd via gnucash-user]

 
Hi yes exactly - it its the other case you describe for "unpaid" issues. Under 
report options I select all accounts, and those liabilities do show up - but 
they show up in the assets section at the top of the report (where the 
calculation correctly subtracts them from my assets). All that is at the bottom 
of my balance sheet report is A/P and Credit Card accounts.

I think it has something to do with how I created a "stock" account under the 
top-level Liabilites account, and then how I must record transactions - for 
example if I am to show receipt of 100 units, I will enter "-100" under the 
"Tot Shares" column for the liability account split, and then a "+100" under 
the "Tot Shares" for the asset account side split.

But then the liability doesnt show up under liabilities - it shows up in the 
top section "Assets" (as a negative value). So its not really off at all as far 
as the numbers/maths go, its just weird that its showing up top.



On Sunday Jan 26, 2020; 5:47pm CST, David Cousens  
wrote:


The situation you are describing is not clear. By stock do you mean shares
which are issued to you but which you have not purchased, perhaps as part of
a stock option?

It is not clear why you would record this with splits to both Assets and
Lliabilities. You mention "their liability account". Their liability account
should not appear in your books , only liabilities, that is obligations you
have to pay someone, that you have incurred. One would normally record any
acquistion of stock as an asset against equity, either the temporary income
and expense accounts of equity or a permanent equity account or as a
transfer from another asset account. You would normally only incur a
liability if you borrowed the money to purchase the stock for example, but
you borrow it not the asset you purchase with it.

The other case could be if the stock was "unpaid" shares for example where
you receive an issue, but may be called upon to pay for them at a future
date. Then it may be appropriate to record that future possible demand for
payment as a liability. In this case the asset value is neutral in your
accounts (apart from capital gains and dividends) and it should be included
in both the totals for assets and liabilities. You may need to check which
accounts are selected for inclusion in the Balance sheet report and which
are selected to be displayed explicitly in the report in the Edit->Report
Options.

You may have to describe the situation in a bit more detail but this may
really an accounting question and perhaps you should seek professional
advice in your jurisdiction on how to record the particular situation.

David Cousens



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[GNC] Report - transactions vs day of month instead of day of week

[Elmar]

Is there any way to change the options of this included report (income 
vs. day of the week) into income vs day of the month?  I ask because I 
would like to get a report that gives me the expected income as I 
progress through a month for budgeting purposes.  The report vs. day of 
the week seems to be a bit odd to me.

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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[GWB]

Apple OS X combined two types of kernels, bsd and mach, but is
(according to some FreeBSD kernel developers) progressively removing
the mach kernel components.  This may be due to their possible shift
to ARM processors for computers (same family of processors as their
other devices).  But Apple does not, that I can see, adhere to any
particular kind of standards for directories, user or otherwise.
"/opt" on OS X is often a hack to get alternative package managers to
work (like brew and others).  This also applies to the use of
permissions.  A very limited exposure to Catalina leads me to believe
they have attempted to secure and harden their permissions scheme, but
I can't tell if they (and SIP) follow the pattern of bsd's, vax/vms,
solaris, etc.  As you point out, disabling SIP is probably a bad idea,
but nice of Apple to provide csrutil anyway.

So give Apple time and they may more closely resemble bsd's ("other
bsd's"? who knows) at some point.  Apple, like FreeBSD, is POSIX
compliant, but FreeBSD has a compatibility layer that handles linux
binaries (pretty simple: kldload linux, kldload linux64, ten necessary
libraries).  I don't think Apple makes it that easy.

Does Catalina no longer provide a disk utility option to "fix" the
permissions?  Or does SIP obviate that?  I notice that Catalina (maybe
back to El Capitan) has (characteristically) changed to a disk
container system without calling it lvm2.

Blame AT for the less than clear descent into unix, bsd, solaris,
linux, etc.  They litigated against BSD, the University of Califorina
Regents fought them off, and now, technically, only AT and licensees
can use "unix" as a name.  BSD (same code base) went on to start the
wonderful world of OS's we see now.

Gordon

On Sun, Jan 26, 2020 at 1:16 PM John Ralls  wrote:
>
> Not only that, while Darwin (the underlying unix core of all Apple operating 
> systems) is BSD Unix, it is *not* Linux and doesn't subscribe to the Linux 
> Foundation or Free Desktop standards.
>
> Not that that matters. I just created /opt on my Mac running Catalina, 
> changed the privs to 777, and saved-as then loaded a book with GnuCash. I had 
> at first set GnuCash to have full-disk access, but revoked it and was still 
> able to load the file, so whatever the OP's problem is it isn't having the 
> file in /opt, nor is it about SIP which I leave enabled. Disabling SIP is 
> only needed as a last resort when doing something that requires changing the 
> library load paths (e.g. using $DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH) with a system program 
> (e.g. bash). It's vastly safer to copy the system program into a user 
> directory (I use ~/.local/bin) so that SIP won't mess with it. Regardless, it 
> has nothing at all to do with users running GnuCash.
>
> A far more likely cause of the OP's problem is that permissions on /opt have 
> gotten changed so that he no longer can write to the directory. I would 
> expect that if he knows how to create /opt he also knows how to fix that as 
> well as to ensure that it's backed up with Time Machine and whatever cloud 
> backup service he uses.
>
> Regards,
> John Ralls
>
> P.S. Bruce Schuck, when you reply to a digest please remember to change the 
> subject back to the original for the particular message to which you're 
> replying.
>
> > On Jan 26, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
> >  wrote:
> >
> > But /opt isn’t for user data files according to that standard. The user’s 
> > own data should still be under their /users tree.
> >
> > For example, you could build LibreOffice and store it in /opt, but your 
> > individual documents would be under /users. (/home in the linux tree)
> >
> > I’d say the simpler and safer solution (rather than disabling SIP) is to 
> > relocate the data files to the /Users area where there are no permissions 
> > issues.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> >> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Schuck 
> >>  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 1/26/20 09:00, D  wrote:
> >>
> >>> And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into 
> >>> /opt in the first place...
> >>
> >> Because OSX is under the hood is very similar to *Nix and BSD systems.
> >> Those who are putting their data files under /opt are probably doing so
> >> to follow the Linux Hierarchy Standard. As a long time *Nix geek (first
> >> introduced to Unix on Gould computers running Gould UTX and AT 3B2
> >> systems running AT Sys V sometime around 1986/1987). Simple answer,
> >> because they can and they want to. :)
> >>
> >> See http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html for
> >> reference.
> >>
> >> I mentioned trying "csrutil disable" because I have not yet updated to
> >> Catalina. Seems it breaks a few things at the office, mainly Cisco
> >> Anyconnect. Worth a shot I thought. But as someone else mentioned, Apple
> >> has added layer of filesystem complexity that could be affecting access
> >> to /opt. I found this:
> >> 

Re: [GNC] "Stock" Liabilities do not show up under liabilities in Balance Sheet report

[David Cousens]

The situation you are describing is not clear. By stock do you mean shares
which are issued to you but which you have not purchased, perhaps as part of
a stock option?

It is not clear why you would record this with splits to both Assets and
Lliabilities. You mention "their liability account". Their liability account
should not appear in your books , only liabilities, that is obligations you
have to pay someone, that you have incurred. One would normally record any
acquistion of stock as an asset against equity, either the temporary income
and expense accounts of equity or a permanent equity account  or as a
transfer from another asset account. You would normally only incur a
liability if you borrowed the money to purchase the stock for example, but
you borrow it not the asset you purchase with it. 

The other case could be if the stock was "unpaid" shares for example where
you receive an issue, but may be called upon to pay for them at a future
date. Then it may be appropriate to record that future possible demand for
payment as a liability. In this case the asset value is neutral in your
accounts (apart from capital gains and dividends) and it should be included
in both the totals for assets and liabilities.  You may need to check which
accounts are selected for inclusion in the Balance sheet report and which
are selected to be displayed explicitly in the report in the Edit->Report
Options.

You may have to describe the situation in a bit more detail but this may
really an accounting question and perhaps you should seek professional
advice in your jurisdiction on how to record the particular situation. 

David Cousens



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[GNC] "Stock" Liabilities do not show up under liabilities in Balance Sheet report

[Bo Byrd via gnucash-user]

Running 3.7 on windows.  I have a situation where external orgs gives me their 
"stock" (not really stock, not really a currency either) and I record the 
transaction where one split is their stock account under liabilities, and the 
other split is my "asset" stock account.  To get this to work correctly I must 
record the transaction with my asset stock with a positive number in the "Tot 
Shares" column, and their split for their liability account gets a negative 
number.  Things then balance out perfectly.

So when I do a Balance Sheet report, it makes all their pieces show under 
"Assets", where then my Total Assets is really a partial figure in the 
aggregated "Total Liabilities & Equity" section at the bottom.

Is this a bug?
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Re: [GNC] Formatting the Register header?

[farleykj]

I don't run Gnucash in full size window either, but the Inspector apparently
thought I should...or something I hit in my debugging play triggered the
full-screen in the horizontal direction.

The things I'd most like to change on the register header:
* Make the text-align on the columns "center".
* Change the font-style and font-size for the header text (Bold? Smaller?
More compact font?).
* Change the "Tot Deposit" and "Tot Withdrawal" to something shorter, like
"Deposit" and "Withdraw" The current strings are always chopped off because
the columns in the register aren't sized as if I'm making millions of dollar
transactions.

I'd also like to use some icons I makde for the GTK2 era for the buttons in
the toolbars. This would be an easy thing to do if I re-compiled the
application, since they're done with .png files in the source.

I've done a lot of digging down into the Gnucash.app directory. I'm from the
old-school Unix world and find it easier to maneuver down the directory
structures in a terminal rather than through Finder. Especially since Apple
feels the need to protect me from myself by hiding all those hidden files
(like .emacs, .login, etc.) from me. Argh.

I didn't know that the actual "executable" for the .app files is buried
inside them. Very useful bit of info, that.

Ken



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Re: [GNC] two copies on the same computer.

[Raymond Smith]

Great, thanks for the info, that's reassuring.

Ray

On Sat, Jan 25, 2020 at 10:57 PM David Cousens 
wrote:

> The main problem, at least on Linux, is that the user configuration files
> are
> shared between two intsances which means saved reports, customization etc
> are shared.  If each data file requires separate customized reports etc.,
> it
> may get a little confusing. I have never had any interactions between two
> instances runningon separate data files in terms of data file interaction.
> I
> often have had  a production stable version running and also may be running
> an instance of one of the development branches open at a different test
> data
> file with no difficulties. Having two instances open on the one data file
> is
> likely to be problematical but the file locking should stop you doing that
> unless you override it.
>
> if you require complete separation, use a different user login for each
> open
> data file which will then maintain separation of the user configuartion
> files.
>
> David Cousens
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Formatting the Register header?

[Adrien Monteleone]

I haven’t noticed any window size change with the inspector, but I don’t open 
GnuCash full-width or full-screen anyway. That is odd behavior, but maybe it is 
to accommodate the inspector window.

You can target nodes, but without an id or the element having a name, you can’t 
target specifically. Particularly, targeting within the register page is 
difficult without those elements being named.

Just out of curiosity, what are you trying to change about the header row?

You can run the inspector without the open command, but you have to use the 
full path to the executable like so:

`GTK_DEBUG=interactive /Applications/Gnucash.app/Contents/MacOS/Gnucash`

.app files are just ‘package bundles’ or special folders that MacOS normally 
hides the contents of. You can open them via Finder if you right-click and 
choose ’Show Package Contents’. From there you’ll be dropped into the 
`Contents` folder of that .app and you can navigate from there. (you also have 
full access via `ls` in Terminal.app)

As for building and maintenance, yes, you’d have to find where the GUI stuff is 
defined, then you’d have to adjust that every time the app updates.

Since this is an open source project, an option would be to contribute your UI 
changes back to the main code base. Then they could get integrated into the app 
for future releases and your styling rules would work from then on. (as well as 
for anyone else) See the wiki about development if you are interested in this 
route.

If you don’t want to get into coding it and dealing with GitHub, then file an 
RFE explaining what you’d like changed in the UI on Bugzilla. It might not get 
implemented for some time, but you never know. If the change is quick and easy 
and doesn’t cause other problems, someone might take it up.

Regards,
Adrien



> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 12:15 PM, farleykj  wrote:
> 
> Yeah, I thought about building the app myself, but it would be a huge
> undertaking to figure out where to set things up, i.e. where are the gui
> elements built and assembled? Plus, next time there's an update to a new
> version, I'd have to do all the hacking I did all over again in order to
> upgrade. Not something I'd look forward to.
> I got the GTK Inspector to work, in a sense, but it told me the things I
> pretty much already new, that the "name" of the items I wanted to style is
> "" (blank). As far as I know, you can't target a specific widget with CSS
> styling unless you know its name. Plus the inspector oddly affected the
> overall size of the application. When I exited and then restarted the app
> without the inspector, it had the full width of my monitor. Weird, probably
> my fault, but I don't know how.
> 
> A big tip for running the inspector on Mac OS: You've got to use "open"
> before the path to Gnucash. In other words, it's
> 
> *GTK_DEBUG=interactive open /Applications/Gnucash.app*
> 
> Thanks,
> Ken

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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[John Ralls]

Not only that, while Darwin (the underlying unix core of all Apple operating 
systems) is BSD Unix, it is *not* Linux and doesn't subscribe to the Linux 
Foundation or Free Desktop standards.

Not that that matters. I just created /opt on my Mac running Catalina, changed 
the privs to 777, and saved-as then loaded a book with GnuCash. I had at first 
set GnuCash to have full-disk access, but revoked it and was still able to load 
the file, so whatever the OP's problem is it isn't having the file in /opt, nor 
is it about SIP which I leave enabled. Disabling SIP is only needed as a last 
resort when doing something that requires changing the library load paths (e.g. 
using $DYLD_LIBRARY_PATH) with a system program (e.g. bash). It's vastly safer 
to copy the system program into a user directory (I use ~/.local/bin) so that 
SIP won't mess with it. Regardless, it has nothing at all to do with users 
running GnuCash.

A far more likely cause of the OP's problem is that permissions on /opt have 
gotten changed so that he no longer can write to the directory. I would expect 
that if he knows how to create /opt he also knows how to fix that as well as to 
ensure that it's backed up with Time Machine and whatever cloud backup service 
he uses.

Regards,
John Ralls

P.S. Bruce Schuck, when you reply to a digest please remember to change the 
subject back to the original for the particular message to which you're 
replying.

> On Jan 26, 2020, at 9:58 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> But /opt isn’t for user data files according to that standard. The user’s own 
> data should still be under their /users tree.
> 
> For example, you could build LibreOffice and store it in /opt, but your 
> individual documents would be under /users. (/home in the linux tree)
> 
> I’d say the simpler and safer solution (rather than disabling SIP) is to 
> relocate the data files to the /Users area where there are no permissions 
> issues.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Schuck 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> On 1/26/20 09:00, D  wrote:
>> 
>>> And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into 
>>> /opt in the first place...
>> 
>> Because OSX is under the hood is very similar to *Nix and BSD systems.
>> Those who are putting their data files under /opt are probably doing so
>> to follow the Linux Hierarchy Standard. As a long time *Nix geek (first
>> introduced to Unix on Gould computers running Gould UTX and AT 3B2
>> systems running AT Sys V sometime around 1986/1987). Simple answer,
>> because they can and they want to. :)
>> 
>> See http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html for
>> reference.
>> 
>> I mentioned trying "csrutil disable" because I have not yet updated to
>> Catalina. Seems it breaks a few things at the office, mainly Cisco
>> Anyconnect. Worth a shot I thought. But as someone else mentioned, Apple
>> has added layer of filesystem complexity that could be affecting access
>> to /opt. I found this:
>> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/367158/whats-system-volumes-data/367159#367159
>> and https://nektony.com/duplicate-finder-free/folders-permission
>> 
>> - Bruce S.
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 202, Issue 66

[D via gnucash-user]

Indeed, Bruce's own citation at 3.13 states:

 "/opt is reserved for the installation of add-on application software 
packages."

 That would preclude a user's data files.

On January 26, 2020, at 11:29 PM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

But /opt isn’t for user data files according to that standard. The user’s own 
data should still be under their /users tree.

For example, you could build LibreOffice and store it in /opt, but your 
individual documents would be under /users. (/home in the linux tree)

I’d say the simpler and safer solution (rather than disabling SIP) is to 
relocate the data files to the /Users area where there are no permissions 
issues.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Schuck  
> wrote:
> 
> On 1/26/20 09:00, D  wrote:
> 
>> And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into /opt 
>> in the first place...
> 
> Because OSX is under the hood is very similar to *Nix and BSD systems.
> Those who are putting their data files under /opt are probably doing so
> to follow the Linux Hierarchy Standard. As a long time *Nix geek (first
> introduced to Unix on Gould computers running Gould UTX and AT 3B2
> systems running AT Sys V sometime around 1986/1987). Simple answer,
> because they can and they want to. :)
> 
> See http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html for
> reference.
> 
> I mentioned trying "csrutil disable" because I have not yet updated to
> Catalina. Seems it breaks a few things at the office, mainly Cisco
> Anyconnect. Worth a shot I thought. But as someone else mentioned, Apple
> has added layer of filesystem complexity that could be affecting access
> to /opt. I found this:
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/367158/whats-system-volumes-data/367159#367159
> and https://nektony.com/duplicate-finder-free/folders-permission
> 
> - Bruce S.

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Re: [GNC] Formatting the Register header?

[farleykj]

Yeah, I thought about building the app myself, but it would be a huge
undertaking to figure out where to set things up, i.e. where are the gui
elements built and assembled? Plus, next time there's an update to a new
version, I'd have to do all the hacking I did all over again in order to
upgrade. Not something I'd look forward to.
I got the GTK Inspector to work, in a sense, but it told me the things I
pretty much already new, that the "name" of the items I wanted to style is
"" (blank). As far as I know, you can't target a specific widget with CSS
styling unless you know its name. Plus the inspector oddly affected the
overall size of the application. When I exited and then restarted the app
without the inspector, it had the full width of my monitor. Weird, probably
my fault, but I don't know how.

A big tip for running the inspector on Mac OS: You've got to use "open"
before the path to Gnucash. In other words, it's

*GTK_DEBUG=interactive open /Applications/Gnucash.app*

Thanks,
Ken



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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 202, Issue 66

[Adrien Monteleone]

But /opt isn’t for user data files according to that standard. The user’s own 
data should still be under their /users tree.

For example, you could build LibreOffice and store it in /opt, but your 
individual documents would be under /users. (/home in the linux tree)

I’d say the simpler and safer solution (rather than disabling SIP) is to 
relocate the data files to the /Users area where there are no permissions 
issues.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 26, 2020 w5d26, at 11:46 AM, Bruce Schuck  
> wrote:
> 
> On 1/26/20 09:00, D  wrote:
> 
>> And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into /opt 
>> in the first place...
> 
> Because OSX is under the hood is very similar to *Nix and BSD systems.
> Those who are putting their data files under /opt are probably doing so
> to follow the Linux Hierarchy Standard. As a long time *Nix geek (first
> introduced to Unix on Gould computers running Gould UTX and AT 3B2
> systems running AT Sys V sometime around 1986/1987). Simple answer,
> because they can and they want to. :)
> 
> See http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html for
> reference.
> 
> I mentioned trying "csrutil disable" because I have not yet updated to
> Catalina. Seems it breaks a few things at the office, mainly Cisco
> Anyconnect. Worth a shot I thought. But as someone else mentioned, Apple
> has added layer of filesystem complexity that could be affecting access
> to /opt. I found this:
> https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/367158/whats-system-volumes-data/367159#367159
> and https://nektony.com/duplicate-finder-free/folders-permission
> 
> - Bruce S.

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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[Adrien Monteleone]

Why are you storing your book in /opt?

That should more likely be in your /Users directory along with the rest of your 
own files. (or on some other volume)

Catalina separated your internal system drive into 2 partitions. Check Disk 
Manager. It will now show (default names) ‘Macintosh HD’ and ‘Macintosh 
HD-Data’.

The first one contains the OS and all system directories. Normally, you can’t 
touch these without admin credentials. (which you’d have to enter every time 
for that access, not just logged in as an admin level user)

The other is for your data.

Try moving your data to somewhere in your /User tree or any other user 
controlled volume like a thumb drive, external, or network drive. (there are 
issues with those some times as well, so maybe just try your /User area first)

You should be able to reliably save after the move.

Regards,
Adrien



> On Jan 25, 2020 w4d25, at 6:20 PM, sherwood kaip  wrote:
> 
> I have used gnucash many years.  I don't know whether it has anything
> to do with the new Catalina operating system or it's another problem
> entirely.  Attached are messages I have received when trying to open
> gnucash.  In the past I have had the message about not having the lock but
> when I clicked 'open anyway' all went well.  The fact that I'm told it
> can't save a backup is new.
> If I click 'open anyway' the program will open and I can add
> transactions but it won't save them and next time (possibly after a force
> quit?) the added transaction won't be there.
> 
> I am not sure where to look for the helpful answers that will probably be
> provided.  If someone feels like it, please email me (skaip...@gmail.com)
> the link to where answers will be posted.
> S. Kaip
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Re: [GNC] gnucash-user Digest, Vol 202, Issue 66

[Bruce Schuck]

On 1/26/20 09:00, D  wrote:

> And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into /opt 
> in the first place...

Because OSX is under the hood is very similar to *Nix and BSD systems.
Those who are putting their data files under /opt are probably doing so
to follow the Linux Hierarchy Standard. As a long time *Nix geek (first
introduced to Unix on Gould computers running Gould UTX and AT 3B2
systems running AT Sys V sometime around 1986/1987). Simple answer,
because they can and they want to. :)

See http://refspecs.linuxfoundation.org/FHS_3.0/fhs/index.html for
reference.

I mentioned trying "csrutil disable" because I have not yet updated to
Catalina. Seems it breaks a few things at the office, mainly Cisco
Anyconnect. Worth a shot I thought. But as someone else mentioned, Apple
has added layer of filesystem complexity that could be affecting access
to /opt. I found this:
https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/367158/whats-system-volumes-data/367159#367159
and https://nektony.com/duplicate-finder-free/folders-permission

- Bruce S.
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Re: [GNC] Formatting the Register header?

[Adrien Monteleone]

Thanks for sharing the file, and glad to see you were able to get themes 
working.

As noted previously in this thread, the way to find out what can be styled is 
to use the GTK Inspector. For MacOS you have to install GTK separately. I did 
so using Homebrew. You then have to start GnuCash with the Inspector via 
Terminal.app as noted in the GnuCash Wiki GTK page. There is a small learning 
curve, but once you figure out how to use it you can find out anything about a 
UI that you need for re-styling. This does not mean all elements can be styled. 
That is partly dependent on the code. But with the Inspector you can see how 
your styling change will look, or if it will even be effective at all.

For the case of the register header, if you want to do more than font or 
background color, you’d have to turn on the other styling hooks in the code and 
re-build the app yourself.

The same goes for icons.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jan 25, 2020 w4d25, at 6:01 PM, farleykj  wrote:
> 
> I tested the theme I wanted to use by copying all the GTK3 related files from
> the theme into the Gnucash config directory (~\Appplication
> Support\Gnucash\config\gtk-3.0 on MacOS). It worked fine, but as expressed
> elsewhere, the Register Header formatting was immune to all but the
> background color and font specifications.
> 
> I also realized that if you want to know what the proper syntax is to change
> elements of the interface, the best thing for me was to look in a place
> where someone has collected all the possible settings: a complete theme. If
> you look in those files, you find a lot widget specifications, with settings
> for horizontally aligned and vertically aligned elements (Like notebook
> tabs) that might not be apparent to someone who hasn't done any GTK3
> programming. Someone like me.
> 
> So, knowing how disappointing it can be to look for answers and find a
> discussion that doesn't have any final results, here's my current gtk3.css
> file. It's pretty much what I want, but as with all such things, once you
> start tweeking things around, you are always looking to make a few more
> changes. For example, I have a bunch of icons I built for the GTK2 based
> Gnucash interface that I'd like to use again. I just don't know how to swap
> them in, or if that's even possible.
> gtk.css   
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[D via gnucash-user]

And yet, still unanswered is why a user would put their data files into /opt in 
the first place...

On Jan 26, 2020, 15:49, at 15:49, Christian Lynbech  wrote:
>I am fuzzy on the details, but one of the changes in catalina (as a way
>to implement SIP) is that the main is mounted twice, one mount point is
>read only and if one is accessimg /opt via the wrong mountpoint, wrting
>is prohibited. I also use MacPorts under catalina without problems, but
>that does not preclude that special procedures are needed to access
>/opt.
>
>/Christian
>
>> Den 26. jan. 2020 kl. 07.17 skrev Peter West :
>> 
>> This doesn’t sound right.
>> 
>> I use MacPorts, and MacPorts puts all if its files under /opt. I
>haven’t seen ant references on the MacPorts mailing list to /opt being
>reserved under SIP.
>> 
>> Peter
>> --
>> Peter West
>> p...@pbw.id.au
>> …he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because
>they had not believed those who saw him after he had risen.
>> 
>>> On 26 Jan 2020, at 2:02 pm, D via gnucash-user
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It might be worth asking why OP is using /opt for their data files
>in the first place. It is more usual for users to place their personal
>files in the /users hierarchy (i.e., ~/).
>>> 
>>> On January 26, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Bruce Schuck
> wrote:
>>> 
>>> It seems that maybe the /opt directory tree is being restricted by 
>>> what OSX called System Integrity Protection.
>>> 
>>> Try following the steps to turn off SIP here:
>>> 
>>>
>http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/05/disable-rootless-system-integrity-protection-mac-os-x/
>>> 
>>> If not, please open a terminal window and supply the output of the 
>>> command "ls -lR /opt".
>>> 
>>> - Bruce S.
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Re: [GNC] since Catalina, unable to open gnucash

[Christian Lynbech]

I am fuzzy on the details, but one of the changes in catalina (as a way to 
implement SIP) is that the main is mounted twice, one mount point is read only 
and if one is accessimg /opt via the wrong mountpoint, wrting is prohibited. I 
also use MacPorts under catalina without problems, but that does not preclude 
that special procedures are needed to access /opt.

/Christian

> Den 26. jan. 2020 kl. 07.17 skrev Peter West :
> 
> This doesn’t sound right.
> 
> I use MacPorts, and MacPorts puts all if its files under /opt. I haven’t seen 
> ant references on the MacPorts mailing list to /opt being reserved under SIP.
> 
> Peter
> --
> Peter West
> p...@pbw.id.au
> …he rebuked them for their unbelief and hardness of heart, because they had 
> not believed those who saw him after he had risen.
> 
>> On 26 Jan 2020, at 2:02 pm, D via gnucash-user  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It might be worth asking why OP is using /opt for their data files in the 
>> first place. It is more usual for users to place their personal files in the 
>> /users hierarchy (i.e., ~/).
>> 
>> On January 26, 2020, at 8:33 AM, Bruce Schuck  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> It seems that maybe the /opt directory tree is being restricted by 
>> what OSX called System Integrity Protection.
>> 
>> Try following the steps to turn off SIP here:
>> 
>> http://osxdaily.com/2015/10/05/disable-rootless-system-integrity-protection-mac-os-x/
>> 
>> If not, please open a terminal window and supply the output of the 
>> command "ls -lR /opt".
>> 
>> - Bruce S.
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Re: [GNC] GnuCash 3.8 - Budget Total Question

[Geert Janssens]

That's bug https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797551

There's a fix waiting for confirmation that it solves the issue satisfactorily. 
If you are capable of 
building gnucash yourself with this patch, please do test and let us know.

Regards,

Geert

Op zaterdag 25 januari 2020 20:52:39 CET schreef Jason Foster:
> Good Afternoon!
> 
> I upgraded to the newest version of GnuCash 3.8, and I am struggling
> because the "Total" line on the budget screen has been removed. I always
> used this line in previous versions to easily determine if I had extra
> income or whether I was going to be short for the month.
> 
> Now I have to use a calculator in order to see what my monthly total is.
> 
> Is there any way to bring the total line back?
> 
> Thank you,
> 
> Jason
> 
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