Re: [GNC] Reconcile Finish button

[Adrien Monteleone]

You can file an RFE (Request for Enhancement) on Bugzilla. See the Wiki 
for more on bug reporting.


Regards,
Adrien

On 5/10/22 9:41 PM, Fred Tydeman wrote:

It would be nice if in the Reconcile window, when the Difference is zero,
the Finish button would turn green.


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Re: [GNC] Startup issue - two windows

[Adrien Monteleone]

The issue with not being able to close the tip of the day window is the 
Scheduled Transactions window has stolen focus.


First click on the Tip of the Day window to raise it to the 'top of the 
window stack' and then close it.


Then use whatever means of your OS to reveal windows hidden beneath 
other windows. There you'll see the Scheduled Transaction window, where 
you can interact/dismiss it.


Alternatively, do that part first, then dismiss the Tip of the Day window.

What OS? Are you running GnuCash full screen at startup?

Regards,
Adrien

On 5/10/22 9:48 PM, Fred Tydeman wrote:

I have Tip of the Day enabled.
I have Scheduled transactions enabled.
Sometimes, when I start gnucash,
the Tip of the day popup window shows,
then after the file is fully loaded,
something about Scheduled transactions window shows
(but is hidden by the Tip of the day).
Clicking on the Close button of the Tip of the day does NOT close it.
I do not know what the Scheduled transactions window wants
as I cannot see it.
Pressing Enter, clears the Scheduled transactions window.
Then I can Close the Tip of the day window.


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Re: [GNC] default local currency (Liz)

[Adrien Monteleone]

If it is greyed out, something is definitely wrong. I'm going with a 
read-only preference file as mentioned by David H. But that should imply 
other preferences also being greyed out. If not, more digging is required...


Permissions issue on Win10 perhaps? (Not sure why that would affect only 
one preference though)


Regards,
Adrien

On 5/10/22 6:41 PM, David Long wrote:

Thanks for replies below about changing default currency, and my follow up.
Any further advice?

I tried before: Preferences >> Accounts >> Default Currency in Gnucash 4.10
???

But its greyed out so cannot change.

  


My version is 4.10

  


Adrien noted:

1. Locale (set by your OS preferences)

2. Specify one from the drop down.

  


OK, if that's case am thinking if 1. Then need to change in OS preferences.
Having done that do I need to reinstall?

Liz, I have Windows 10.


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[GNC] Startup issue - two windows

[Fred Tydeman]

I have Tip of the Day enabled.
I have Scheduled transactions enabled.
Sometimes, when I start gnucash,
the Tip of the day popup window shows,
then after the file is fully loaded,
something about Scheduled transactions window shows
(but is hidden by the Tip of the day).
Clicking on the Close button of the Tip of the day does NOT close it.
I do not know what the Scheduled transactions window wants
as I cannot see it.
Pressing Enter, clears the Scheduled transactions window.
Then I can Close the Tip of the day window.
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[GNC] Reconcile Finish button

[Fred Tydeman]

It would be nice if in the Reconcile window, when the Difference is zero,
the Finish button would turn green.
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Re: [GNC] default local currency (Liz)

[David Long]

Hi David,

 

I keep my GnuCash  files on a folder on my hard disk which synchronizes via 
Dropbox with the hard disk on my laptop. I used this  file when after I had 
installed on my laptop.

 

I just changed my default location in Windows 10, but the default local 
currency in GnuCash is still USD.

 

I am thinking that GnuCash sets the default currency during the installation 
process, by detecting the default location, and that therefore I now need to 
re-install, but will first try closing GnuCash and restarting my laptop.

 

Regards

 

David Long

 

From: David H  
Sent: May 11, 2022 9:03 AM
To: David Long 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] default local currency (Liz)

 

David,

 

So you're not able to click "Choose" and then use the dropdown arrow on the 
right to select MYR ?  How did you transfer your file over to the laptop - is 
the file or the volume it's on Read only ?  I did try setting my file to Read 
only and it didn't make any difference to the behaviour of the Default Currency 
preference.

 

Cheers David H.

 

 

 



 

On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 09:42, David Long mailto:davidvernonl...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks for replies below about changing default currency, and my follow up.
Any further advice?

I tried before: Preferences >> Accounts >> Default Currency in Gnucash 4.10
???

But its greyed out so cannot change.



My version is 4.10



Adrien noted:

1. Locale (set by your OS preferences)

2. Specify one from the drop down.



OK, if that's case am thinking if 1. Then need to change in OS preferences.
Having done that do I need to reinstall?

Liz, I have Windows 10.



David Long





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Re: [GNC] Double line mode

[David Carlson]

Yep, but if you haven't opened a particular account yet,  then it will open
the first time according to that default setting you found.  Also, it can
be changed on the fly when using the account.  I think that is under the
view menu item.

I often change the view on the fly depending on what I want to do,  and for
me double line mode usually works well.

On Tue, May 10, 2022, 8:10 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:

> I wanted to see what Double line mode looked like, so I enabled it via:
> Edit
>   Preferences
> Register Defaults
>   Other Defaults
> Double line mode
> I gave it a try in a few accounts; but did not like it.
> I shut down Gnucash.
> I restarted Gnucash.
> I went back to the above Register Defaults and unchecked Double line mode.
> However, some accounts still are in Double line mode.
> So, it appears that preference is not global as I expected.
> After reading the manual, I see the I need to disable via
> View
>   Double Line
> for each account one by one.
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[GNC] Double line mode

[Fred Tydeman]

I wanted to see what Double line mode looked like, so I enabled it via:
Edit
  Preferences
Register Defaults
  Other Defaults
Double line mode
I gave it a try in a few accounts; but did not like it.
I shut down Gnucash.
I restarted Gnucash.
I went back to the above Register Defaults and unchecked Double line mode.
However, some accounts still are in Double line mode.
So, it appears that preference is not global as I expected.
After reading the manual, I see the I need to disable via
View
  Double Line
for each account one by one.
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Re: [GNC] default local currency (Liz)

[David H]

David,

So you're not able to click "Choose" and then use the dropdown arrow on the
right to select MYR ?  How did you transfer your file over to the laptop -
is the file or the volume it's on Read only ?  I did try setting my file to
Read only and it didn't make any difference to the behaviour of the Default
Currency preference.

Cheers David H.



[image: image.png]

On Wed, 11 May 2022 at 09:42, David Long  wrote:

> Thanks for replies below about changing default currency, and my follow up.
> Any further advice?
>
> I tried before: Preferences >> Accounts >> Default Currency in Gnucash 4.10
> ???
>
> But its greyed out so cannot change.
>
>
>
> My version is 4.10
>
>
>
> Adrien noted:
>
> 1. Locale (set by your OS preferences)
>
> 2. Specify one from the drop down.
>
>
>
> OK, if that's case am thinking if 1. Then need to change in OS preferences.
> Having done that do I need to reinstall?
>
> Liz, I have Windows 10.
>
>
>
> David Long
>
>
>
>
>
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[GNC] default local currency (Liz)

[David Long]

Thanks for replies below about changing default currency, and my follow up.
Any further advice?

I tried before: Preferences >> Accounts >> Default Currency in Gnucash 4.10
???

But its greyed out so cannot change.

 

My version is 4.10

 

Adrien noted:

1. Locale (set by your OS preferences)

2. Specify one from the drop down.

 

OK, if that's case am thinking if 1. Then need to change in OS preferences.
Having done that do I need to reinstall?

Liz, I have Windows 10.

 

David Long

 

 

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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[Liz Dodd]

On Tue, 10 May 2022 14:06:02 -0600
John Griessen  wrote:

> That sounds great for two people in an office.   How would you get
> the benefit of doing bookkeeping on a laptop and then at a desktop
> machine alternating back and forth?
> 
> I get a flexibility benefit using unison to sync files.  I don't
> share use of bookkeeping files with another person, just me with
> laptop and me with desktop.  So far no troubles for a year. This
> method does not expose my bookkeeping to internet server attacks
> either -- it all stays behind a firewall.

I too alternate between desktop and laptop.
I host my own Nextcloud instance and syncing is automatic after each
save. I have had problems when something went wrong with network
connectivity. At this point I have different files, and the server
keeps a copy of each so you can recover more easily.

Being able to use the laptop has increased the accuracy of my records -
when travelling I can still record purchases in the main accounts, and
gave up use of the Gnucash app on the phone.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[davidcousens49]

John, 

I achieve this by keeping my GnuCash files in a Dropbox account accessible from
my desktop at home, my laptop while travelling and my wife's laptop.  I backup
to an NAS (full once a month with daily incrementals) which is in turn backed up
to an offsite online cloud storage and a local directory on the desktop once or
twice a week  Provided you respect the lockfile, no problems. It generally takes
no more than a minute or two to sync automatically between the two machines via
the Dropbox account (\ I'm on a broadband 100Mbps connection - may be a bit more
limited on slower connections). Just have to remember to exit GnuCash on the
desktop before going out with the laptop and vice versa. In my case only I work
on the files so there is no problem coordinating multiple users.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-05-10 at 14:06 -0600, John Griessen wrote:
> On 5/10/22 11:46, Chris Mitchell wrote:
> Keeping the data files on shared network storage ("Windows network
> share", Samba, NFS, sshfs, etc) and accessing them directly has the
> advantage of real-time file locking:
> > I much prefer this setup, because it effectively prevents the
> > "accidentally edit both" scenario.
> 
> That sounds great for two people in an office.   How would you get the benefit
> of doing bookkeeping on a laptop and then at a 
> desktop machine alternating
> back and forth?
> 
> I get a flexibility benefit using unison to sync files.  I don't share use of
> bookkeeping files
> with another person, just me with laptop and me with desktop.  So far no
> troubles for a year.
> This method does not expose my bookkeeping to internet server attacks either
> -- it all stays behind a firewall.
> 
> I've not used the lock files very much, usually "opening anyway" since there
> have been occasional lock ups of x-windows as the 
> ubuntu distro I run with has been shifting to Wayland, and sometimes I get to
> power off running processes and have stale lock 
> files to ignore.  And since there is only me, lock files are always wrong if
> they say locked, since I don't have both laptop and 
> desktop running gnucash at once.
> 
> I find it worth being careful not to edit two different .gnucash files so I
> can do some bookkeeping at odd hours with laptop, and 
> yet normally use desktop with scanner on my LAN for prcessing paper receipts
> to images.  There is a side benefit to using a sync 
> program methodically:  it's always making a backup of what your are doing by
> copying any newer files to the other machine.  Unison 
> syncs all my data, not just gnucash files.  If somehow unison garbled
> something, there are 30 older .gnucash files and every 
> single .log file saved in a dir called logs to reconstruct lost data entering
> from.
> 
> John Griessen
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash? between 2 users

[John Griessen]

On 5/10/22 14:16, John Griessen wrote:
Ah so.  Then probably the OP *can* avoid 2 installs of gnucash.  It would maybe look like this to launch gnucash from a shared dir 
on a LAN:


$ /shared/gnucash4.10/gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash

The work of putting the executable in a nonstandard place might be more than just using two installs and making them be the same 
version.


That nonstandard install work could be justified by the lock files working well in such a scenario.   The  /shared dir on the LAN 
could be a low power always on little server with no windowing system to crash and a lock would really be a lock and not result of 
a power off or crash.  To skip the lock file you would need to talk to the other person first.

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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash? between 2 users

[John Griessen]

On 5/10/22 11:00, Robert Heller wrote:

I don't believe the OP is running gnucash remotely, just storing the gnucash
executable on a shared disk.


$ gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash


Ah so.  Then probably the OP *can* avoid 2 installs of gnucash.  It would maybe look like this to launch gnucash from a shared dir 
on a LAN:


$ /shared/gnucash4.10/gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash

The work of putting the executable in a nonstandard place might be more than just using two installs and making them be the same 
version.


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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[John Griessen]

On 5/10/22 11:46, Chris Mitchell wrote:
Keeping the data files on shared network storage ("Windows network
share", Samba, NFS, sshfs, etc) and accessing them directly has the
advantage of real-time file locking:

I much prefer this setup, because it effectively prevents the
"accidentally edit both" scenario.


That sounds great for two people in an office.   How would you get the benefit of doing bookkeeping on a laptop and then at a 
desktop machine alternating

back and forth?

I get a flexibility benefit using unison to sync files.  I don't share use of 
bookkeeping files
with another person, just me with laptop and me with desktop.  So far no 
troubles for a year.
This method does not expose my bookkeeping to internet server attacks either -- 
it all stays behind a firewall.

I've not used the lock files very much, usually "opening anyway" since there have been occasional lock ups of x-windows as the 
ubuntu distro I run with has been shifting to Wayland, and sometimes I get to power off running processes and have stale lock 
files to ignore.  And since there is only me, lock files are always wrong if they say locked, since I don't have both laptop and 
desktop running gnucash at once.


I find it worth being careful not to edit two different .gnucash files so I can do some bookkeeping at odd hours with laptop, and 
yet normally use desktop with scanner on my LAN for prcessing paper receipts to images.  There is a side benefit to using a sync 
program methodically:  it's always making a backup of what your are doing by copying any newer files to the other machine.  Unison 
syncs all my data, not just gnucash files.  If somehow unison garbled something, there are 30 older .gnucash files and every 
single .log file saved in a dir called logs to reconstruct lost data entering from.


John Griessen
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[Chris Mitchell]

Keeping the data files on shared network storage ("Windows network
share", Samba, NFS, sshfs, etc) and accessing them directly has the
advantage of real-time file locking: If a running instance of Gnucash
has the data file open, then when you try to open it from another
Gnucash instance on another machine, it pops up a dialog warning you
that the file is already in use.

I much prefer this setup, because it effectively prevents the
"accidentally edit both" scenario. No remembering to run a sync
process, no copies to get out of sync, no manually copying edits from
your out-of-sync copy (and hopefully not missing any)... Just one file,
which you *can* edit if it's not currently in use, and *cannot* edit if
it is.

Cheers!
 -Chris


On Tue, 10 May 2022 09:50:37 -0600
John Griessen  wrote:

> On 5/9/22 11:07, Derek Atkins wrote:
> > The main gotcha is that only one person can have the data file open
> > at a time.  This means you will need to coordinate "who is running
> > GnuCash" at any particular moment.  
> 
> 
> I use gnucash on two linux machines with a sync program called unison
> keeping the data files up to date on each.  I run unison before
> switching machines.  This has to be a hard and fast rule or time will
> be wasted when you accidentally add new data to each instance.
> 
> If you accidentally edit both, you manually copy what was done on
> one, then abandon it with the next sync.
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 5/10/2022 11:50 AM, John Griessen wrote:

On 5/9/22 11:07, Derek Atkins wrote:

The main gotcha is that only one person can have the data file open at a
time.  This means you will need to coordinate "who is running 
GnuCash" at

any particular moment.



I use gnucash on two linux machines with a sync program called unison 
keeping the data files up to date on each.  I run unison before 
switching machines.  This has to be a hard and fast rule or time will 
be wasted when you accidentally add new data to each instance. 


Because gnucash creates the "lock file" in the same directory that the 
data file lives in, the safest solution to have multiple deices able to 
sequentially access the data is to have it a directory on a shared 
storage device. For example, I am not not (yet?) doing this but I could 
put a drive on the wireless router that is the backbone of our home LAN 
and then move the data to a directory on that drive.


However the users would have to take most seriously an "in use" and 
assume it is an error.


Sorry, but I think you are asking for trouble depending on syncing 
separate data files. Sooner or later ...


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash? between 2 users

[Robert Heller]

At Tue, 10 May 2022 10:09:55 -0600 John Griessen  wrote:

> 
> On 5/9/22 10:57, Westshire Realty wrote:
> > Prefer to avoid maintaining two separate apps intalled on devices and 
> > sharing just the data file.
> 
> I'm not aware that gnucash can run remotely without you making a way via 
> programs like vnc or xwindows, which sounds like extra 
> work on a mac.  It's easy to keep gnucash installed at same revision with a 
> flatpak installation, so you can then just run gnucash 
> from your local machine and open the file on the shared volume:

I don't believe the OP is running gnucash remotely, just storing the gnucash 
executable on a shared disk.

> 
> $ gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash
> 
> I've not used macports -- you may have to make sure the two machines both use 
> the same revision:
> 
> sudo port install gnucash  on both machines each time it is done...
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[John Griessen]

On 5/9/22 10:57, Westshire Realty wrote:

Prefer to avoid maintaining two separate apps intalled on devices and sharing 
just the data file.


I'm not aware that gnucash can run remotely without you making a way via programs like vnc or xwindows, which sounds like extra 
work on a mac.  It's easy to keep gnucash installed at same revision with a flatpak installation, so you can then just run gnucash 
from your local machine and open the file on the shared volume:


$ gnucash   /shared/books1/books1.gnucash

I've not used macports -- you may have to make sure the two machines both use 
the same revision:

sudo port install gnucash  on both machines each time it is done...
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Re: [GNC] Configuration dilemma -- How best to share Gnucash between 2 users

[John Griessen]

On 5/9/22 11:07, Derek Atkins wrote:

The main gotcha is that only one person can have the data file open at a
time.  This means you will need to coordinate "who is running GnuCash" at
any particular moment.



I use gnucash on two linux machines with a sync program called unison keeping the data files up to date on each.  I run unison 
before switching machines.  This has to be a hard and fast rule or time will be wasted when you accidentally add new data to each 
instance.


If you accidentally edit both, you manually copy what was done on one, then 
abandon it with the next sync.
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Re: [GNC] Errors after restarting GnuCash 4.10 from terminal or bash script

[john]

> On May 9, 2022, at 9:50 PM, davidcousen...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I have just setup getting finance quotes for Gnucash for the first time for GC
> 4.10 on Linux Mint 20.3. I was setting up a shell script to shutdown GnuCash,
> update the finance quotes and restart GnuCash after the quotes had been 
> written
> to the datafile. The finance quote seems to work ok but when I restarted 
> GnuCash
> from the script, the following appeared in the terminal after the script 
> exited.
> 
> $ Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 14, in
> swig_import_helper
>return importlib.import_module(mname)
>  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
>return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
>  File "", line 1014, in _gcd_import
>  File "", line 991, in _find_and_load
>  File "", line 975, in _find_and_load_unlocked
>  File "", line 657, in _load_unlocked
>  File "", line 556, in module_from_spec
>  File "", line 1166, in create_module
>  File "", line 219, in _call_with_frames_removed
> ImportError: libgncmod-app-utils.so: cannot open shared object file: No such
> file or directory
> 
> During handling of the above exception, another exception occurred:
> 
> Traceback (most recent call last):
>  File "/usr/local/share/gnucash/python/init.py", line 2, in 
>from gnucash import *
>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/__init__.py", line 6, in 
> 
>from gnucash.gnucash_core import *
>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core.py", line 31, in
> 
>import gnucash.gnucash_core_c as gnucash_core_c
>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 17, in
> 
>_gnucash_core_c = swig_import_helper()
>  File "/usr/lib/python3/dist-packages/gnucash/gnucash_core_c.py", line 16, in
> swig_import_helper
>return importlib.import_module('_gnucash_core_c')
>  File "/usr/lib/python3.8/importlib/__init__.py", line 127, in import_module
>return _bootstrap._gcd_import(name[level:], package, level)
> ModuleNotFoundError: No module named '_gnucash_core_c'
> Found Finance::Quote version 1.51.
> 
> I get the same error with no additional info restarting GnuCash from the 
> command
> line with --debug. It seems to be more associated with the python bindings 
> than
> anything to do with getting online quotes. I do compile  with -D 
> WITH_PYTHON+ON
> when I build it. Haven't ever started GC from a script or terminal recently 
> but
> I presume this happens from the desktop launcher as well, just isn't visible.
> 
> Has anyone struck this before?

I see that sometimes when I build GnuCash with -D WITH_PYTHON=ON and run from 
the build directory without installing. 

 It's safe to ignore, being about the python console feature and not affecting 
anything in GnuCash proper.

Regards,
John Ralls



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Re: [GNC] List of securities with Get Online Quotes

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Yeah. I don't know the parameters of Alphavantage's limits; there are any of a 
number of possibilities that might explain how they might believe you deserve 
to get limited. I've been blocked by some providers because I use a VPN, and 
the VPN IP address gets throttled.

On May 9, 2022 11:39:51 PM EDT, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:
>Except it didn't matter if I waited a minute or so in between each call. It 
>even failed some days on the first call. That's what had me stumped. But yeah, 
>if another sources works reliably, it is probably the source and not F::Q.
>
>Regards,
>Adrien
>
>On 5/9/22 9:49 PM, David T. via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Your reply strongly suggests that you were getting throttled by Alphavantage 
>> retrieval limits. The fact that one Alphavantage quote was quick, but 10 
>> took much longer supports my hypothesis. The fact that yahoo_json appears to 
>> have fixed the time lag also supports it.
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Re: [GNC] default local currency

[Liz]

On Tue, 10 May 2022 12:17:22 +0800
"David Long"  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Actually, I tried a re-install, thinking I had missed a trick in the
> installation process, but exactly the same. 
> 
>  
> 
> Regards
> 
>  
> 
> David
David, could you advise your OS, because this may offer a different way
of altering your locale settings.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Show Account Name Instead of Full Account Name in Transfer Column?

[viking2ev]

Oh, never mind.
I found the option in Preferences >> Register Defaults >> Only display leaf
account names.


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To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: [GNC] Show Account Name Instead of Full Account Name in Transfer
Column?

How do I show the (short) "Account Name" instead of the much longer "Full
Account Name" in the Transfer Column in the Account Register?

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[GNC] Show Account Name Instead of Full Account Name in Transfer Column?

[viking2ev]

How do I show the (short) "Account Name" instead of the much longer "Full
Account Name" in the Transfer Column in the Account Register?

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