Re: [GNC] lost file

[David H]

Restart Gnucash, if your file doesn't reopen automatically click on the
file menu - recent files are listed at bottom, click on the filename to
have Gnucash re-open it for you.

Cheers David H.


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[GNC] Constructiing pdf filename

[Jacob Berry]

Hello,
I am stuck trying to use a windows registry string variable to customize the 
pdf output filename. I was able to add the correct registry location and added 
"filename-format" and "filename-date-format", rearrange the string from the 
default "%1$s-%2$s-%3$s" to "%3$s-%2$s-%1$s", and make it work.
However I want to add other data to the filename, such as the customer name, so 
that I don't have to add it manually everytime I make a pdf invoice. Is there a 
list of arguments I can use? I have tried some ideas but everything makes 
gnucash crash when I try to make a pdf.
Thanks for your time.

-Jacob Berry
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[GNC] lost file

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I was working on a file and by mistake closed it and now can't find it
again. Help!


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Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

[Mike Alexander]

This is one side of the story.  For another view of things you might 
take a look at 
https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial.html.  You 
could also look at 
https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/gnucash.html which is 
outdated but still might be useful.


If you want to fix things by adding trading account splits where needed 
you could use the "Check and Repair" commands in the Actions menu.  If 
Trading Accounts are turned on these commands should add the splits 
where required.  I would certainly make a backup copy before trying 
this.


Mike

On 26 Jul 2022, at 20:39, David Carlson wrote:


I forgot to address fixing the mess.

I think there are two ways to fix it.  The easiest is to restore your 
last

backup from before turning on TA's.
The other, iirc, is to manually delete all those TA's.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 7:24 PM  wrote:


Fred,

Not early in the guide, but in the section dealing with multiple 
currencies

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/currency_trading_accts.html
and
discussed on the wiki 
(https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Trading_Accounts).


I don't think anyone has yet written anything about any application 
to

trading
stocks and I don't think they are intended to be applied there.

It is recommended to read the guide and help manual fully  before 
using

GnuCash.
I didn't, like many other users, but I did have a general accounting
background
coming in. You will find a lot of discussion in the mailing list 
archives

re
stock trading and unrealized gains and losses..

If they were mentioned earlier it is likely they would confuse new 
users

with
limited experience of double entry accounting and accounting 
practice. It

is a
compromise to get new users in the door.

Trading counts are about providing information in the accounts for
unrealized
gains and losses involving currency transactions.

It is not normal accounting practice to recognize unrealized gains or
losses in
the books as income/expenses and the circumstances under which they 
may be
recognized in some jurisdictions are likely to be highly variable. 
They

are not
normally taxable until the gains are actually realized in the 
majority of

jurisdictions. That is why they aren't a default option.

I wouldn't think there is any need to redo past transactions unless 
the

information re unrealized gains and losses through currency exchange
transactions is necessary for some specific reporting process.

David Cousens

On Tue, 2022-07-26 at 18:46 -0400, Fred Tydeman wrote:
Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data 
into

GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.

Besides
normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks 
and

many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe

that
my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and 
other

assets whose value varies) were done wrong.

Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real 
Estate.


Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?

Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the 
Tutorial

early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.




What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by 
default?




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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

To All:

The transaction report gave me what I was looking for.

Thanks,
Jack

On 7/27/22 5:30 PM, David H wrote:

Jack,

I use the same setup, including health fund/medicare rebates.  The 
transaction report gives me subtotals by account/sub-account and a 
grand total at the bottom - sounds like what you're looking for.


Cheers David H.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 07:18, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user 
 wrote:


I have numerous sub accounts under a parent account.
I am working with one of the sub accounts.

On 7/27/22 4:21 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> Stephen,
> He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for
Hospital, Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc. 
These could all be under a parent account, Medical, but everyone
is different and they may not be.
>
>
> Thank You,
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> Gyle McCollam
>
> gmccol...@live.com          email
>
> 
> From: gnucash-user
 on behalf of
Stephen M. Butler 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 4:10 PM
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only
>
> On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>> I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to
today.
>> How do I do that?
>> I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the
account
>> balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this
year.
>> And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in
>> the drop down boxes.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
> I presume you have an expense account just for the medical
expenses?  If
> not, why not?
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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 7/27/2022 4:21 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Stephen,
He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for Hospital, 
Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc.  These could all be under 
a parent account, Medical, but everyone is different and they may not be.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam


And?.. The "Income Statement" report (aka Profit and Loss aka 
statement of revenues and expenses) allows you to select/exclude 
accounts. In other words, though intended to show income and expense for 
a specified interval, by selecting just the accounts related to the 
desired medical exenses, would see just the total for the interval of 
each of them AND the total of all of them.


Michael D Novack


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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[David H]

Jack,

I use the same setup, including health fund/medicare rebates.  The
transaction report gives me subtotals by account/sub-account and a grand
total at the bottom - sounds like what you're looking for.

Cheers David H.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2022 at 07:18, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I have numerous sub accounts under a parent account.
> I am working with one of the sub accounts.
>
> On 7/27/22 4:21 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:
> > Stephen,
> > He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for Hospital,
> Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc.  These could all be
> under a parent account, Medical, but everyone is different and they may not
> be.
> >
> >
> > Thank You,
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > Gyle McCollam
> >
> > gmccol...@live.com   email
> >
> > 
> > From: gnucash-user 
> on behalf of Stephen M. Butler 
> > Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 4:10 PM
> > To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only
> >
> > On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
> >> I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
> >> How do I do that?
> >> I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
> >> balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
> >> And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in
> >> the drop down boxes.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> > I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  If
> > not, why not?
> >
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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

I have numerous sub accounts under a parent account.
I am working with one of the sub accounts.

On 7/27/22 4:21 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Stephen,
He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for Hospital, 
Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc.  These could all be under 
a parent account, Medical, but everyone is different and they may not be.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com   email


From: gnucash-user  on behalf of 
Stephen M. Butler 
Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 4:10 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:

I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in
the drop down boxes.

Thanks!


I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  If
not, why not?

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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

Yes.
I have a parent account with various sub accounts to separate vision 
from dental etc.


On 7/27/22 4:10 PM, Stephen M. Butler wrote:

On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:


I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the 
account balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for 
this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in 
the drop down boxes.


Thanks!



I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  
If not, why not?




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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

Can I do that every time my records disagrees with someone elses?
Some how I think not.

On 7/27/22 3:58 PM, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Jack,
That is the advantage of "Tools/Close Book".  If you do that each 
year, the account balances are the YTD totals.  If you have grouped 
all your medical expenses under a parent account that will be the 
grand total as well.  This way you don't even need a report.  It's 
probably to late now, because if you did close your books each year, I 
guess you wouldn't even be asking this question.


Hopefully, someone that uses reports will be able to help you with the 
current situation.  Or you could close your books "as of" 12/31/2021 
and you will then have the totals you are looking for.


Thank You,

*Gyle McCollam*

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com email


*From:* gnucash-user 
 on behalf of Jack 
Frillman via gnucash-user 

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:15 PM
*To:* gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
*Subject:* [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in the
drop down boxes.

Thanks!

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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Stephen M. Butler]

In which case, the transaction report option would be the best way to 
get what he wants.


On 7/27/22 13:21, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Stephen,
He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for 
Hospital, Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc. These 
could all be under a parent account, Medical, but everyone is 
different and they may not be.


Thank You,

*Gyle McCollam*

Gyle McCollam

gmccol...@live.com email


*From:* gnucash-user 
 on behalf of 
Stephen M. Butler 

*Sent:* Wednesday, July 27, 2022 4:10 PM
*To:* gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
*Subject:* Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only
On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>
> I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
> How do I do that?
> I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
> balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
> And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in
> the drop down boxes.
>
> Thanks!
>

I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  If
not, why not?

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kg...@arrl.net
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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Gyle McCollam]

Stephen,
He could have one account, but he could also have accounts for Hospital, 
Doctors, Dentists, Prescription, Medical Travel, etc.  These could all be under 
a parent account, Medical, but everyone is different and they may not be.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

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On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:
>
> I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
> How do I do that?
> I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
> balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
> And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in
> the drop down boxes.
>
> Thanks!
>

I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  If
not, why not?

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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Stephen M. Butler]

On 7/27/22 12:15, Jack Frillman via gnucash-user wrote:


I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account 
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in 
the drop down boxes.


Thanks!



I presume you have an expense account just for the medical expenses?  If 
not, why not?


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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Stephen M. Butler]

I can think of three ways:

1.  On the Accounts tab use the down arrow on the far right to add the 
"Total (Period)" column (and any others you want such as "Present").


2.  Run the Profit/Loss statement for the period of time desired and the 
account values will show for the period.


3.  Use the transaction report to pull up just the transactions you want 
and get the grand total of that report.



On 7/27/22 12:58, Gyle McCollam wrote:

Jack,
That is the advantage of "Tools/Close Book".  If you do that each year, the 
account balances are the YTD totals.  If you have grouped all your medical expenses under 
a parent account that will be the grand total as well.  This way you don't even need a 
report.  It's probably to late now, because if you did close your books each year, I 
guess you wouldn't even be asking this question.

Hopefully, someone that uses reports will be able to help you with the current situation. 
 Or you could close your books "as of" 12/31/2021 and you will then have the 
totals you are looking for.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

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Subject: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only


I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in the
drop down boxes.

Thanks!

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Re: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Gyle McCollam]

Jack,
That is the advantage of "Tools/Close Book".  If you do that each year, the 
account balances are the YTD totals.  If you have grouped all your medical 
expenses under a parent account that will be the grand total as well.  This way 
you don't even need a report.  It's probably to late now, because if you did 
close your books each year, I guess you wouldn't even be asking this question.

Hopefully, someone that uses reports will be able to help you with the current 
situation.  Or you could close your books "as of" 12/31/2021 and you will then 
have the totals you are looking for.


Thank You,

Gyle McCollam

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From: gnucash-user  on 
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Sent: Wednesday, July 27, 2022 3:15 PM
To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
Subject: [GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only


I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in the
drop down boxes.

Thanks!

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[GNC] Single Account Expenses For Current Year Only

[Jack Frillman via gnucash-user]

I want add up all my medical expenses from Jan. 1, 2022 up to today.
How do I do that?
I tried several different reports and all they gave me was the account 
balance as of today. I just want what was spent so far for this year.
And before you ask I set the date range from 1/1/2022 to "today" in the 
drop down boxes.


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Re: [GNC] Evil Lots Behavior

[David Carlson]

I guess I must have read the manual before all those detailed descriptions
about documenting stock sales were added, because I only recall a few terse
sentences, which did not include lots.

I do not recall any written warning about the circumstances where tracking
expenses and commissions were incompatible with some reports, I found that
out the hard way.

I have been manually identifying lots with text in the memos forever, using
spreadsheets to verify that I have the proper purchases matched to the
sales.

I have not bothered to do that with mutual funds because my broker is using
average cost basis for those.

If turning on lots would reorganize those years ago reconciled
transactions, then I think that is a serious bug.



On Wed, Jul 20, 2022, 11:16 PM David T.  wrote:

> Thanks for the information and background.
>
> While I understand and agree with much of the reasoning in what you're
> saying, I think that my major issues with the lots feature are threefold.
>
> First is that sometimes its calculations don't match what the brokerage
> lists. Since the brokerage reports to the government, and it's their
> business to report according to the law, I'm going to prefer their numbers
> over Gnucash's. If the lot feature presents the wrong number, I'm going to
> change it. I should be able to
>
> Second is that you don't have to scrub an account or even a lot for the
> system to change existing data. All you have to do is click on the lot and
> view it. It seems to me that the mere act of viewing a lot should not cause
> changes. That should be user-initiated through an active click on
> something. Heisenberg's principle should not apply to lots in GnuCash!
>
> Third, it most certainly shouldn't be changing transactions that have been
> reconciled. It does this completely silently and doesn't trigger the notice
> that you're changing a reconciled transaction. That flies in the face of
> how the rest of the app works, not to mention with the concept of a
> reconciled transaction. I can't see how this can NOT be a bug.
>
> Because of this undocumented behavior, I have NO WAY OF KNOWING WHETHER MY
> BOOKS ARE STILL ACCURATE. If I want to ensure that they are, I will have to
> go back through all 17 years of commodity history and re-reconcile it all.
>
> What fun!
>
> David T.
>
> On July 21, 2022 3:57:35 AM GMT+03:00, Geoff 
> wrote:
>>
>> My recollection is that Lots have always worked this way, even as far back 
>> as GnuCash Version 2.
>>
>> My opinion is that this not a bug, it is just how Lots work.  The price you 
>> pay for using Lots is that Lots rule the capital gains/losses calculations 
>> and will trump (and, as you have found, even trample on) any other 
>> transactions that get in their way.
>>
>> Ask yourself the "Michael or Penny Question (TM)": WHY are you trying to 
>> change the gain value computed by GnuCash to something else?
>>
>> If your answer is "because I need to include Commissions or Fees in the 
>> calculation" then you are out of luck.  See:
>>
>> 9.7.2.8. Considerations
>> There are some points that should be considered before using the lot 
>> management facility.
>>
>> 3. Scrubbing does not recognize commissions or fees so makes no allowance 
>> for them in the calculation of gain or loss. Therefore you must use Net 
>> Pricing rather than Gross Pricing if you wish to use scrubbing. See Section 
>> 9.5.2.1, “Handling Commissions and Fees”.
>>
>> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/invest-sell1.html#:~:text=GnuCash%20can%20automatically%20calculate%20and,securities%20sold%20can%20be%20determined.
>>
>> AND
>>
>> 9.5.2.1. Handling Commissions and Fees
>> https://code.gnucash.org/docs/C/gnucash-guide/invest-buy-stock1.html#invest-buy-com
>>
>>
>> In summary:
>> Lots can be useful for matching Buys & Sells, either automatically on a FIFO 
>> basis or manually on a pick and choose basis.
>> Lots have only one method to calculate Capital Gains/Losses.
>> Lots user interface behaviour is tricky to learn until you master it 
>> (largely in my case by trial and error).
>> Lots functionality does not cover all use cases.
>> Lots are ruthless, but not intrinsically evil.
>> If you want to do your own Capital Gains/Losses calculations, you can, but 
>> just don't use Lots at all.
>>
>> Important Lots tip:
>> Lots calculations are fully reversible - just delete all the Capital 
>> Gains/Losses transactions it created and start matching Buys and Sells 
>> again.  Rinse and repeat.
>>
>>
>> Hope this helps.
>>
>> Regards
>>
>> Geoff
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>> On 21/07/2022 12:40 am, David Carlson wrote:
>>
>>> It could be very helpful to learn if this started in a recent release, or
>>> has it been that way since back in the 3.x series.
>>>
>>> On Wed, Jul 20, 2022 at 8:54 AM David T. via gnucash-user <
>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Hello,

 In the course of catching up with my accounting, I've been working
 extensively with mutual fund 

Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Geoff, 

Changing values of reconciled transactions without notice renders a book 
completely unreliable for any accounting purpose. If that's not evil, what is? 

David T.

On July 27, 2022 2:46:34 PM GMT+03:00, Geoff  wrote:
>Lots.
>
>(And they aren't really evil, just wilful).
>
>;--))
>
>Geoff
>=
>
>On 27/07/2022 8:36 pm, David Carlson wrote:
>> This has confused me.  Is the recent thread titled "
>> [GNC] Evil Lots Behavior" about lots or trading accounts?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:10 AM David T.  wrote:
>> 
>>> David C.
>>> 
>>> Trading accounts are not the same as lots. Different concept, different
>>> code. Just a for instance: trading accounts are turned on by book; lots can
>>> be enabled by account.
>>> 
>>> David T.
>>> 
>>> On July 27, 2022 3:33:37 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson <
>>> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 I believe that you are witnessing first hand why trading accounts are not
 enabled by default,  i.e. they create a royal mess in your trading history.
 
 You might want to re-read the recent thread about evil trading accounts.
   They may work ok for some users who's documentation goals align with the
 design parameters of TA's.
 
 Other users will prefer to continue either manually tracking lots in
 external spreadsheets or trusting their brokers back rooms to do it for
 them.
 
 Oh, I am neither a developer nor an accountant, just a long term user.
 
 On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 5:47 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:
 
   Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data into
>   GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.  
> Besides
>   normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks and
>   many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
>   accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
>   https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe 
> that
>   my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and other
>   assets whose value varies) were done wrong.
> 
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
>   varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real Estate.
> 
>   Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?
> 
>   Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the Tutorial
>   early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.
> 
>   What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by default?
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Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

[David T. via gnucash-user]

The thread I started, with the title "Evil Lots Behavior" was about the Gnucash 
*Lots* feature, which is designed to "assist" users in the management of 
individual lots of stock and mutual fund shares. (For the record, the lots 
feature will change reconciled gains transactions without notification, 
something I believe to be a dangerous bug...)

You suggested that the OP consult that thread. I'm saying it's not the same 
problem, and the ELB thread has nothing to do with trading accounts. 

David T. 

On July 27, 2022 2:46:34 PM GMT+03:00, Geoff  wrote:
>Lots.
>
>(And they aren't really evil, just wilful).
>
>;--))
>
>Geoff
>=
>
>On 27/07/2022 8:36 pm, David Carlson wrote:
>> This has confused me.  Is the recent thread titled "
>> [GNC] Evil Lots Behavior" about lots or trading accounts?
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:10 AM David T.  wrote:
>> 
>>> David C.
>>> 
>>> Trading accounts are not the same as lots. Different concept, different
>>> code. Just a for instance: trading accounts are turned on by book; lots can
>>> be enabled by account.
>>> 
>>> David T.
>>> 
>>> On July 27, 2022 3:33:37 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson <
>>> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
 
 I believe that you are witnessing first hand why trading accounts are not
 enabled by default,  i.e. they create a royal mess in your trading history.
 
 You might want to re-read the recent thread about evil trading accounts.
   They may work ok for some users who's documentation goals align with the
 design parameters of TA's.
 
 Other users will prefer to continue either manually tracking lots in
 external spreadsheets or trusting their brokers back rooms to do it for
 them.
 
 Oh, I am neither a developer nor an accountant, just a long term user.
 
 On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 5:47 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:
 
   Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data into
>   GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.  
> Besides
>   normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks and
>   many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
>   accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
>   https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe 
> that
>   my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and other
>   assets whose value varies) were done wrong.
> 
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
>   Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
>   varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real Estate.
> 
>   Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?
> 
>   Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the Tutorial
>   early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.
> 
>   What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by default?
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[GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

[flywire]

>* the original remains in the Tutorial and Concepts Guide. It should have been
*>* removed...*

David,

Thinking about this again. How about a section which imports the
tutorial transactions from csv referencing the help manual? Maybe an
export/import with multi-splits. It would complement the rest of the
guide.
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Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

[Geoff]

Lots.

(And they aren't really evil, just wilful).

;--))

Geoff
=

On 27/07/2022 8:36 pm, David Carlson wrote:

This has confused me.  Is the recent thread titled "
[GNC] Evil Lots Behavior" about lots or trading accounts?

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:10 AM David T.  wrote:


David C.

Trading accounts are not the same as lots. Different concept, different
code. Just a for instance: trading accounts are turned on by book; lots can
be enabled by account.

David T.

On July 27, 2022 3:33:37 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson <
david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:


I believe that you are witnessing first hand why trading accounts are not
enabled by default,  i.e. they create a royal mess in your trading history.

You might want to re-read the recent thread about evil trading accounts.
  They may work ok for some users who's documentation goals align with the
design parameters of TA's.

Other users will prefer to continue either manually tracking lots in
external spreadsheets or trusting their brokers back rooms to do it for
them.

Oh, I am neither a developer nor an accountant, just a long term user.

On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 5:47 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:

  Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data into

  GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.  Besides
  normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks and
  many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
  accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
  https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe that
  my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and other
  assets whose value varies) were done wrong.

  Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
  Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
  Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
  varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real Estate.

  Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?

  Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the Tutorial
  early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.

  What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by default?
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Re: [GNC] Trading accounts

[David Carlson]

This has confused me.  Is the recent thread titled "
[GNC] Evil Lots Behavior" about lots or trading accounts?

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 12:10 AM David T.  wrote:

> David C.
>
> Trading accounts are not the same as lots. Different concept, different
> code. Just a for instance: trading accounts are turned on by book; lots can
> be enabled by account.
>
> David T.
>
> On July 27, 2022 3:33:37 AM GMT+03:00, David Carlson <
> david.carlson@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I believe that you are witnessing first hand why trading accounts are not
>> enabled by default,  i.e. they create a royal mess in your trading history.
>>
>> You might want to re-read the recent thread about evil trading accounts.
>>  They may work ok for some users who's documentation goals align with the
>> design parameters of TA's.
>>
>> Other users will prefer to continue either manually tracking lots in
>> external spreadsheets or trusting their brokers back rooms to do it for
>> them.
>>
>> Oh, I am neither a developer nor an accountant, just a long term user.
>>
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2022, 5:47 PM Fred Tydeman  wrote:
>>
>>  Over the past several months, I have been importing Quicken data into
>>>  GnuCash.  There is about 6 years of data and lots of transactions.  Besides
>>>  normal income and expenses, that data involved many different stocks and
>>>  many different currencies.  Recently, I saw a reference to "Trading"
>>>  accounts.  I have now enabled that feature.  Based on reading
>>>  https://www.mathstat.dal.ca/~selinger/accounting/tutorial, I believe that
>>>  my old transactions that involve currencies (and maybe stocks and other
>>>  assets whose value varies) were done wrong.
>>>
>>>  Do I need to redo old transactions involving currencies?
>>>  Do I need to redo old transactions involving stocks?
>>>  Do I need to redo old transactions involving any assets whose price
>>>  varies?  This probably depends upon the asset, eg. no for Real Estate.
>>>
>>>  Is there an easy way to fix the mess I have created?
>>>
>>>  Aside:  I do not recall any mention of trading accounts in the Tutorial
>>>  early on when it talked about setting up the Chart of Accounts.
>>>
>>>  What is the reason that Trading accounts are not turned on by default?
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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

[davidcousens49]

Frank

That sounds like a good way to deal with it. I will try and put an appropriate
patch  in place in the next week or two.

David

On Wed, 2022-07-27 at 10:12 +0200, Frank H. Ellenberger wrote:
> Hi David,
> 
> perhaps you can do it slightly different. I agree to remove all the
> technical details.
> 
> But you should insert a small tutorial with:
> Import in small chunks.
> Assign the proper account while importing to teach teach Bayes.
> Verify your data after each import.
> Save often!
> Other user misunderstandings and mistakes watched here on the list.
> 
> Regards
> Frank
> 
> Am 21.07.22 um 08:34 schrieb davidcousen...@gmail.com:
> > David,
> > 
> > I had a look at both Chapter 3 in the Tutorial and GUide on Importing and
> > Ch6 in
> > the Help Manual. What has happened was the decision was made to move the
> > importing section into the help manual a couple of years ago when I rewrote
> > the
> > Ch6 in the Help manual so I created the rewritten section in the Help manual
> > and
> > the original remains in the  Tutorial and Concepts Guide. It should have
> > been
> > removed but I neglected to do it at the time. There is no reference to
> > category
> > in the Ch6 of the Help manual. 
> > 
> > I will submit a patch to remove Ch3 in the Guide and will simply add a note
> > that
> > information on importing data is now in the Help manual.
> > 
> > Cheers
> > 
> > David Cousens

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Re: [GNC] Online Help manual CSV import section is out of date

[Frank H. Ellenberger]

Hi David,

perhaps you can do it slightly different. I agree to remove all the
technical details.

But you should insert a small tutorial with:
Import in small chunks.
Assign the proper account while importing to teach teach Bayes.
Verify your data after each import.
Save often!
Other user misunderstandings and mistakes watched here on the list.

Regards
Frank

Am 21.07.22 um 08:34 schrieb davidcousen...@gmail.com:
> David,
> 
> I had a look at both Chapter 3 in the Tutorial and GUide on Importing and Ch6 
> in
> the Help Manual. What has happened was the decision was made to move the
> importing section into the help manual a couple of years ago when I rewrote 
> the
> Ch6 in the Help manual so I created the rewritten section in the Help manual 
> and
> the original remains in the  Tutorial and Concepts Guide. It should have been
> removed but I neglected to do it at the time. There is no reference to 
> category
> in the Ch6 of the Help manual. 
> 
> I will submit a patch to remove Ch3 in the Guide and will simply add a note 
> that
> information on importing data is now in the Help manual.
> 
> Cheers
> 
> David Cousens

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