Re: [GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

2024-01-23 Thread Patrick James
Let's start with your best bet is to work with your tax professional as to how 
best to keep track of what's needed for taxes.

In the US, what you call a "credit" generally would not be an asset account. 
The "credit" would be a potential offset to some future gain, if there is any 
future gain, so I would leave all this over on the equity side.

Day 0 Purchase:

Stock (asset) $100DR
Cash $100CR
Purchase of 100 shares of Stock Y for $1 per share

Day 365 Sale:

Cash $90DR
Capital Gain $10DR
Stock (asset) $100CR
Sale of 100 shares of Day 0 Stock Y for $0.90 per share.

NOTE: One hopes that capital gains has a CR (gain) balance, rather than the DR 
balance above (loss).

Later, if there was some sale for a gain, then the CR recorded to Capital Gain 
would offset some or all of the DR.

Also note that matching the shares as I have done above is not always as simple 
as this single stock sale where all shares are purchased on a single day and 
the entire holding is sold a year later.

Again, talk to your tax professional about how to best keep the records 
necessary for tax compliance.


> On 01/23/2024 1:43 PM PST Mattia Rizzolo  wrote:
> 
>  
> Hello,
> 
> I'd like some input on how to best record a tax credit due to capital
> loss, and possibly the following usage of such credit.
> Disclaimer: I'm not doing this for anything worth, it's a personal book
> that nobody but me sees, so I can take a few liberties and not follow
> whatever regulation to the letter.  Besides, I have no formal education
> on accounting.
> 
> 
> The case is the following:
> 
> 1 buy security A, cost $100
> 2 buy security B, cost $100
> 3 sell security A, get $90
> 3a → record $10 loss
> 3b → get a $10 tax credit on following capital gains
> 4 sell security B, get $120
> 4a → record $20 gain
> 4b → offset $10 from 3b
> 4c → pay tax on the remaining $10 (26%, $2.6 over here)
> 
> I reckon all jurisdictions have something similar in concept, all with
> their differences in details.
> 
> This is a tad further complicated by the fact that each broker has its
> own "bucket" of credits (can't comingle losses and gains across
> different brokers).  Also the credits expire after 4 years, so I should
> record under which year they matured.  As such, I expect an addition to
> my CoA, such as:
> Assets
>   |- Credits
> |- Capital Loss credits
> |- broker 1
>  |- 2020
>  |- 2021
>  |- 2022
>  |- 2023
>  |- 2024
> |- broker 2
>  |- 2022
>  .
> 
> 
> 
> I've been using gnucash for ~3 years now, but I always procrastinated on
> figuring out the 3b/4b steps, just posting the resulting net tax
> transaction as computed by the broker.
> For me it's really not obvious what's the opposing account from where
> the money should come/go...
> How do people do it here? :)
> 
> 
> Thank you for all the hints!
> 
> -- 
> regards,
> Mattia Rizzolo
> 
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[GNC] how to record tax credit for capital loss

2024-01-23 Thread Mattia Rizzolo
Hello,

I'd like some input on how to best record a tax credit due to capital
loss, and possibly the following usage of such credit.
Disclaimer: I'm not doing this for anything worth, it's a personal book
that nobody but me sees, so I can take a few liberties and not follow
whatever regulation to the letter.  Besides, I have no formal education
on accounting.


The case is the following:

1 buy security A, cost $100
2 buy security B, cost $100
3 sell security A, get $90
3a → record $10 loss
3b → get a $10 tax credit on following capital gains
4 sell security B, get $120
4a → record $20 gain
4b → offset $10 from 3b
4c → pay tax on the remaining $10 (26%, $2.6 over here)

I reckon all jurisdictions have something similar in concept, all with
their differences in details.

This is a tad further complicated by the fact that each broker has its
own "bucket" of credits (can't comingle losses and gains across
different brokers).  Also the credits expire after 4 years, so I should
record under which year they matured.  As such, I expect an addition to
my CoA, such as:
Assets
  |- Credits
|- Capital Loss credits
|- broker 1
 |- 2020
 |- 2021
 |- 2022
 |- 2023
 |- 2024
|- broker 2
 |- 2022
 .



I've been using gnucash for ~3 years now, but I always procrastinated on
figuring out the 3b/4b steps, just posting the resulting net tax
transaction as computed by the broker.
For me it's really not obvious what's the opposing account from where
the money should come/go...
How do people do it here? :)


Thank you for all the hints!

-- 
regards,
Mattia Rizzolo

GPG Key: 66AE 2B4A FCCF 3F52 DA18  4D18 4B04 3FCD B944 4540  .''`.
More about me:  https://mapreri.org : :'  :
Launchpad user: https://launchpad.net/~mapreri  `. `'`
Debian QA page: https://qa.debian.org/developer.php?login=mattia  `-


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