Re: [GNC] UK VAT and "Making Tax Digital"
. As the UK generally shows the world the way, we may as well sort a solution because every mother’s son will soon be asking for it. If I knew my bits from my bytes I would offer to help but I don’t. I am becoming Mr Angry over this. My tiny wine export (to UK) company simply does not turn enough profit for me to pay for the commercial solutions (yes, even £75 a year is difficult as it requires another £2,000 of turnover to cover it. A complete open source solution would be fantastic especially as the government CLAIMS to be open source. Well done HMRC. I am shutting the shop (apologies to my few but loyal customers). Geoff Jankowski +33 6 22 93 00 53 +44 7770 584838 iPhone 5SE > On 19 Feb 2019, at 13:25, Maf. King wrote: > > the ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Problem retrieving exchange rates
John I experienced similar problems with f:q. I tired to run gnc-fq-update through the terminal but it does not recognise the command. I re-mounted gnucash 3.2-2.dmg and ran FinanceQuote Update from there and this is the failed output I got (see yellow highlights): Last login: Sun Oct 21 13:07:24 on ttys001 GJJ-iMac:~ gjj$ sudo '/Volumes/Gnucash-3.2/Gnucash.app/Contents/Resources/bin/gnc-fq-update' Password: CPAN.pm requires configuration, but most of it can be done automatically. If you answer 'no' below, you will enter an interactive dialog for each configuration option instead. Would you like to configure as much as possible automatically? [yes] Warning: You do not have write permission for Perl library directories. To install modules, you need to configure a local Perl library directory or escalate your privileges. CPAN can help you by bootstrapping the local::lib module or by configuring itself to use 'sudo' (if available). You may also resolve this problem manually if you need to customize your setup. What approach do you want? (Choose 'local::lib', 'sudo' or 'manual') [local::lib] Autoconfigured everything but 'urllist'. Now you need to choose your CPAN mirror sites. You can let me pick mirrors for you, you can select them from a list or you can enter them by hand. Would you like me to automatically choose some CPAN mirror sites for you? (This means connecting to the Internet) [yes] Trying to fetch a mirror list from the Internet Fetching with LWP: http://www.perl.org/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY Fetching with LWP: http://www.perl.org/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY.gz Fetching with LWP: ftp://ftp.perl.org/pub/CPAN/MIRRORED.BY Looking for CPAN mirrors near you (please be patient) done! New urllist http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/ http://cpan.mirror.anlx.net/ http://ftp.tudelft.nl/cpan/ Autoconfiguration complete. Attempting to bootstrap local::lib... Writing /Users/gjj/.cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm for bootstrap... commit: wrote '/Users/gjj/.cpan/CPAN/MyConfig.pm' Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz Reading '/Users/gjj/.cpan/sources/authors/01mailrc.txt.gz' DONE Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz Reading '/Users/gjj/.cpan/sources/modules/02packages.details.txt.gz' Database was generated on Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:17:03 GMT . New CPAN.pm version (v2.16) available. [Currently running version is v2.00] You might want to try install CPAN reload cpan to both upgrade CPAN.pm and run the new version without leaving the current session. ...DONE Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/modules/03modlist.data.gz Reading '/Users/gjj/.cpan/sources/modules/03modlist.data.gz' DONE Writing /Users/gjj/.cpan/Metadata Running make for H/HA/HAARG/local-lib-2.24.tar.gz Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HA/HAARG/local-lib-2.24.tar.gz Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/authors/id/H/HA/HAARG/CHECKSUMS Checksum for /Users/gjj/.cpan/sources/authors/id/H/HA/HAARG/local-lib-2.24.tar.gz ok CPAN.pm: Building H/HA/HAARG/local-lib-2.24.tar.gz Attempting to create directory /Users/gjj/perl5 Dispatching deprecated method 'CPAN::Config::load' to CPAN::HandleConfig Dispatching deprecated method 'CPAN::Config::load' to CPAN::HandleConfig Reading '/Users/gjj/.cpan/Metadata' Database was generated on Sat, 20 Oct 2018 17:17:03 GMT Running install for module 'ExtUtils::MakeMaker' Running make for B/BI/BINGOS/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34.tar.gz Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/authors/id/B/BI/BINGOS/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34.tar.gz Fetching with LWP: http://ftp.lip6.fr/pub/perl/CPAN/authors/id/B/BI/BINGOS/CHECKSUMS Checksum for /Users/gjj/.cpan/sources/authors/id/B/BI/BINGOS/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34.tar.gz ok CPAN.pm: Building B/BI/BINGOS/ExtUtils-MakeMaker-7.34.tar.gz Using included version of CPAN::Meta (2.143240) as it is newer than the installed version (2.133380). Using included version of ExtUtils::Manifest (1.70) as it is newer than the installed version (1.63). Using included version of CPAN::Meta::Requirements (2.131) as it is newer than the installed version (2.122). Using included version of ExtUtils::Install (2.06) as it is newer than the installed version (1.59). Using included version of CPAN::Meta::YAML (0.011) as it is newer than the installed version (0.008). Using included version of JSON::PP (2.27203) as it is newer than the installed version (2.27202). Using included version of Parse::CPAN::Meta (1.4414) as it is newer than the installed version (1.4404). Checking if your kit is complete... Looks good Generating a Unix-style Makefile Writing Makefile for ExtUtils::MakeMaker Writing MYMETA.yml and MYMETA.json xcrun: error: invalid
Re: [GNC] gnucash won't start on Mac
Les I see Colin has given you instructions on how to allow gnucash on your Mac. You may find it no longer shows in your preferences so start again! Shut gnucash. Open preferences. Put preferences where you can find it and then open gnucash. When it tells you it is restricted, go to preferences as Colin explained and there should be a message about gnucash. Accept it and it should open. If you have more problems, let us know. BTW, gnucash does not “install” to the Applications folder. You need to drag it from the mounted gnucash folder to your applications folder manually. You can then drag the icon from the applications folder to the dock for easier access. Good luck. Geoff Jankowski +33 6 22 93 00 53 +44 7770 584838 iPhone 5SE > On 10 Oct 2018, at 18:56, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > > >> 10 okt. 2018 kl. 18:36 skrev Geoff Jankowski : >> >> Did you give the program permission to open in security settings of >> preferences? >> >> >> >> Geoff Jankowski >> +33 6 22 93 00 53 >> +44 7770 584838 >> >> iPhone 5SE >> >>> On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:26, Leslie Jensen wrote: >>> >>> Hi >>> >>> I just downloaded gnucash for Mac latest version. When I try to start >>> the program I get the normal warning of it not being a known program. >>> I click open and then nothing happens. >>> >>> I'm using MacOS Mojave 10.14 >>> >>> Thanks >>> >>> Les >>> ___ >>> gnucash-user mailing list >>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >>> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >>> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >>> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >>> - >>> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >>> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > Hi Geof > > With the choices I’ve got I choose “open” > > That the only thing I can do! > > Les ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] gnucash won't start on Mac
Did you give the program permission to open in security settings of preferences? Geoff Jankowski +33 6 22 93 00 53 +44 7770 584838 iPhone 5SE > On 10 Oct 2018, at 12:26, Leslie Jensen wrote: > > Hi > > I just downloaded gnucash for Mac latest version. When I try to start > the program I get the normal warning of it not being a known program. > I click open and then nothing happens. > > I'm using MacOS Mojave 10.14 > > Thanks > > Les > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?
Happily I am not married to my accountant! Geoff Jankowski +33 6 22 93 00 53 +44 7770 584838 iPhone 5SE > On 5 Sep 2018, at 21:37, Stephen M. Butler wrote: > >> On 09/05/2018 12:05 PM, Christian Kluge wrote: >>> Am 05.09.2018 um 20:42 schrieb Geoff Jankowski via gnucash-user: >>> David >>> >>> I would love to agree with you but….. >>> >>> In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because >>> it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and debit (-ve) in any sense (or >>> tense) but to do with a creditor (to whom we owe) and a debtor (who owes >>> us). Hence dr and cr relate to debtor and creditor and not to any form of >>> debit or credit. >>> >>> For example, if I take cash from the cash box and deposit it at the bank I >>> enter a cr to the cashbook and a dr to the bank account. >> Actually you should a transit account for the period in between taking >> and out of the cash box and that journal entry and the day the bank >> actually books this deposit on your banking statement. >> >>> Totally counterintuitive which is why accountancy is a black art and should >>> be banned. >>> > > Which is why I, as a software/database guy, just cringe when my wife, > the accountant, yells out, "You reversed the journal entries again!" > > I tried to reason it out know I got it wrong last time by trying to > reason it out from the time before when I also got it wrong. I'm no > longer sure that three rights make a left. I'm pretty sure that two > rights make a U turn of which I am doing a lot lately. >> Every form of accounting assumes that the debit side will give its value >> back one day as the original Italian formulations «deve dare» “shall >> give“ and «deve avere» “shall have”, everyone knows that’s never going >> to happen but still, nothing counterintuitive there. >> >> Kind regards >> >> >> Christian Kluge >> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > > > -- > Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM > stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com > kg...@arrl.net > 253-350-0166 > --- > GnuPG Fingerprint: 8A25 9726 D439 758D D846 E5D4 282A 5477 0385 81D8 > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?
David I would love to agree with you but….. In standard journal notation cr is a debt and dr an asset. This is because it is nothing to do with credit (+ve) and debit (-ve) in any sense (or tense) but to do with a creditor (to whom we owe) and a debtor (who owes us). Hence dr and cr relate to debtor and creditor and not to any form of debit or credit. For example, if I take cash from the cash box and deposit it at the bank I enter a cr to the cashbook and a dr to the bank account. Totally counterintuitive which is why accountancy is a black art and should be banned. I am also an engineer that has been a finance director for many years (but that does not necessarily give me the right to write what is right). Geoff +44 20 7100 1092 +44 7770 58 48 38 +33 5 46 97 13 89 +33 6 22 93 00 53 > On 5 Sep 2018, at 17:08, Colin Law wrote: > > Wow, well now we know (or actually don't know), but we know we don't > know in great depth and detail :) > > Colin > On Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 16:01, David Cousens wrote: >> >> Derek >> >> Latin past participles of creditum and debitum are debere and credere are a >> possible explanation. Another theory is the >> Dr stands for debit record and Cr credit record. Another is that Dr is from >> debtors and Cr is from creditors. I favour >> the first because Luca Pacciola who is often attributed (wrongly) with the >> first known treatise in 1494 (Summa de >> Arithmetica, Geometria, Proportioni et Proportionalita) which had a section >> on double entry accounting and formulated >> the first documented use of the accounting equation used the terms debere >> (to owe) and credere (to entrust) to describe >> the two sides of the basic accounting equation but there is also evidence >> that Pacciola used Per (from) and A (to) in >> journal entries. I don't know if any originals of Pacciola's original >> treatise have survived and most of the comments >> are from an English translation in 1633 where Handson used Dr from the >> English debtor. Another translator Geejsbeek in >> 1914 suggested Dr comes from "in dare" (give) and "in havere" (receive). >> Pacciola apparently learned his accounting from >> Arab traders in North Africa where his father was a merchant. Benedikt >> Kotruljevic in 1458 also described double entry >> accounting in a 1458 work on the Art of Trade published in Dubrovnik. I >> suspect both were describing methodology used by >> the Arab traders.There is also evidence that double entry might have been >> used in 10th century Muslim tax office but >> there is no definitive evidence. We will probably never know where the usage >> of the notation actually came from and the >> historians will continue to argue about it forever. >> David Cousens >> >> >> >> On Wed, 2018-09-05 at 09:59 -0400, Derek Atkins wrote: >>> Hi All, >>> >>> I'm an Engineer by training; I've picked up a ton of accounting >>> knowledge just by being involved here for the past few decades, but >>> there's one thing I've seen recently that I honestly don't underdstand >>> and would appreciate if a CPA or Accounting Historian could answer. >>> >>> Specifically, I've seen people show a transaction as: >>> >>>Dr ... / Cr ... >>> >>> So CR as an abbreviation for Credit makes sense to me (CRedit). But why >>> is Debit abbreviated as DR? There is no "R" in DEBIT. So where does >>> that come from? I would have expected it to be "Db". >>> >>> Just curious. >>> >>> -derek >>> >> ___ >> gnucash-user mailing list >> gnucash-user@gnucash.org >> To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: >> https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user >> If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see >> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. >> - >> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. >> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] [OT] Why is Debit abbreviated Dr?
Debtor = dr Creditor = cr Geoff +44 20 7100 1092 +44 7770 58 48 38 +33 5 46 97 13 89 +33 6 22 93 00 53 > On 5 Sep 2018, at 15:59, Derek Atkins wrote: > > Hi All, > > I'm an Engineer by training; I've picked up a ton of accounting > knowledge just by being involved here for the past few decades, but > there's one thing I've seen recently that I honestly don't underdstand > and would appreciate if a CPA or Accounting Historian could answer. > > Specifically, I've seen people show a transaction as: > >Dr ... / Cr ... > > So CR as an abbreviation for Credit makes sense to me (CRedit). But why > is Debit abbreviated as DR? There is no "R" in DEBIT. So where does > that come from? I would have expected it to be "Db". > > Just curious. > > -derek > > -- > Derek Atkins, SB '93 MIT EE, SM '95 MIT Media Laboratory > Member, MIT Student Information Processing Board (SIPB) > URL: http://web.mit.edu/warlord/PP-ASEL-IA N1NWH > warl...@mit.eduPGP key available > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Mouse and cursor misalignment
Gnucash 3.2 on MacBook Pro running 10.13.6 High Sierra. I have not seen any other comments in the mailing list but I have a variable and occasionally annoying displacement between the mouse icon on the screen and the actual position of the cursor on the screen. For example, in ledgers, I have to place the mouse in the line above the line I want to work in to get the cursor to click in it. It does not occur on all screens which in some ways makes it worse. It makes these of the mouse a secondary option as I try to use keyboard shortcuts wherever I can. This started in the last version in the 2.xx series and has continued. Is it just me or are others experiencing this problem? Is there anything I can do to overcome it? Geoff ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
