Re: [GNC] Temporary Website URL

[Jeffrey Ollie]

Brad,

You need to encourage your lawyer and accountant friends to go read the end
user licenses for the various software packages that they rely on. I think
that they will find that holding commercial software vendors financially
responsible will be VERY difficult because commercial software vendors
disclaim pretty much all liability in the licenses. Plus many commercial
software vendors (think Microsoft, Adobe, Intuit, etc.) have deep warchests
to spend on lawyers to fight any and all lawsuits that might be brought
against them.

I'm not saying that the gnucash.org websites shouldn't be working, but we
need to be realistic about being able to hold commercial software vendors
financially accountable.

Jeff

On Sun, Mar 26, 2023 at 9:12 PM Brad Morrison 
wrote:

> Ken: I just tried all 3 of your GnuCash links/URLs below and they are
> now all working well for me. Many thanks to whoever is responsible for
> fixing them!
>
> Robert: thank you for diving deeper into how certificates work and how
> the "Apache2 Ubuntu Default Page" error likely resulted from the
> configuration error in January, which then led to the Let's Encrypt
> certificate to not renew automatically.
>
> David & Murugan: I had to look up the meaning of the word "parochial" in
> the context that David was using it in - yes, my friend/acquaintance
> does have a very narrow and rigid view of risk, which leads to his
> narrow view of the risks of open source software. In his defense, I will
> say that some people in open source communities may not realize how
> common it is for people outside of the open source realm to be very
> hesitant about using open source software. I have encountered this
> attitude a lot from various lawyers and business people with the primary
> reason being financial risk & responsibility. If an open source software
> is responsible for an error that results in damages, many decision
> makers want to be able to hold someone financially responsible for that
> mistake and recoup their losses. That hesitancy can easily shift to
> distrust if something confirms the existing bias against trying open
> source software, such as a website being down for about 2 months (from
> mid-January when the config error was noticed, until mid-March when it
> was fixed).
>
> Please do not misunderstand me - I am not trying to assign blame to
> anyone and I write this because I care. As David mentioned, outages
> happen to all websites from time to time, including major commercial
> platforms. However, I also do not think it is wise to call this a blip
> either - I have never heard of any major commercial website going down
> for 2 months, much less a major platform like Twitter or Facebook.
> Accessibility/attention is where those platforms get so much of their
> power from, heads would roll if Facebook or Twitter went down for 2
> months and a workaround had to be created and used.
>
> My friend/acquaintance and everyone else that uses the internet uses
> open source software. But there is a big difference between developers
> choosing to use open source software and users choosing to use open
> source software. Professional bookkeepers are not software engineers,
> the CPAs that I work with are not software engineers, lawyers are not
> software engineers - to expect any other professionals to use a tool
> that they are not familiar with takes some motivation on the part of the
> user. Whether that motivation is philosophical, political, financial, or
> practical - any change takes motivation. Hopefully what I just wrote
> does not sound too obvious, but the point is that it is hard to ask
> someone to use a product that they are not familiar with, are hesitant
> about to begin with and then send them a link that doesn't work.
>
> My primary goal with GnuCash is to increase adoption among professional
> bookkeepers in the US. Now that the GnuCash websites are working again,
> I can get back to trying to do that.
>
> Brad
>
> On 3/19/23 10:36, Murugan Muruganandam wrote:
> > Brad
> > i agree with David, the website issue was an blip which was solved using
> a work around and am sure the team is working to restore the certificate.
> > On the statement from your acquaintance that he does not use open source
> is quite a stretch, on top of my mind Linux , am very sure his website or
> his database is running on Linux.
> > I would strongly recommend that your acquaintance take a look into
> GNUCash software and share is frank opinion about the merits and de
> merits.  this software was built solely on comments and requests from
> people.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Saludos Cordiales
> >
> >
> > Murugan
> >
> > 
> > From: gnucash-user hotmail@gnucash.org>  on behalf of David T. via gnucash-user<
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, March 19, 2023 3:05 AM
> > To: Robert Heller
> > Cc: David Reiser via gnucash-user
> > Subject: Re: [GNC] Temporary Website URL
> >
> > Brad,
> >
> > I just want to note that 

Re: [GNC] GNC Addition of Mailing List Subject Prefix

[Jeffrey Ollie]

On Sat, Apr 7, 2018 at 6:56 PM, Steve Parry  wrote:

>
> Adding a prefix does not stop you continuing your method, and at the same
> time also meets the request of us "dinosaurs" 
>

And annoys the rest of us that were happy with things they way that we
were. At the least, there should have been a wider discussion before
implementing this.

-- 
Jeff Ollie
The majestik møøse is one of the mäni interesting furry animals in Sweden.
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