Re: [GNC] Gnc 4.1 Make Fail - MX-LINUX (Debian Buster)

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One of the things I like about MX Linux is the MX Applications
updater/installer: it is relatively simple to pick and choose between
standard Buster, backports and Flatpak versions, all in one place. The most
recent Gnucash is available there as a Flatpak. From then on, all updates
are handled by the System using this utility.



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Re: [GNC] Surprised to like dark mode on Linux

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Thank you Richard, I had a look at that. 

The one color I have problems with is the text labeling an empty field's
contents: typically, the labels Num, Action and Notes. The default I see now
with Arc-Dark is light grey text on a light blue background, which is low
contrast.

I don't see where I could adjust that in the custom style element examples
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[GNC] Surprised to like dark mode on Linux

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I'd given up on 'dark mode' registers in Gnucash some time ago. It was
difficult to read and I resigned myself to setting 'Use Gnucash built in
color theme' in Preferences>Register. Otherwise I use the Arc Dark theme
system-wide in Debian Bullseye.

But I was pleasantly surprised to discover that dark mode is actually
usable--even attractive--with the following settings:
- Preferences>Graphics: uncheck all four options
- View>Double Line: enable

I always liked the idea of Double Line registers in principle, simply for
the extra information displayed, but I found the alternating Gnucash line
colors distracting so I turned it off when I did not need those fields. Now,
with a uniform background color, Double Line becomes a welcome (and minimal)
visual distinction between transactions, without the alternating colors.

I would use this as my default (and may experiment further with it) but for
one thing (so far): the text colors when an entry is highlighted make the
entries difficult to read because of low contrast.



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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

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FYI, I have successfully used EncFS and Cryptomator to store encrypted
Gnucash data on a Dropbox-like sync service.



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Re: [GNC] Why do Imported Transactions NEED to be Matched?

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I have imported thousands of entries in CSV format--years of
transactions--and found it helpful to split the original CSV into multiple
parts (in my case, by year), saving the gnucash file after each import.

For the very first import of a new bank account, I use a CSV with only three
months of data, enough to teach gnucash the pattern of regular transactions
without needing too many manual account assignments. Once that is imported
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Re: [GNC] Manuals for GnuCash

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And if you buy it from Packt you can download it in a useful range of
formats, DRM free
https://www.packtpub.com/hardware-and-creative/gnucash-24-small-business-accounting-beginners-guide

It was on offer in ebook much less recently.



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Re: [GNC] Manuals for GnuCash

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As I noted recently on this list, I still find the Ramachandran book useful,
even with the latest version of Gnucash. I like it, and found it useful. It
is quite helpful about how to do ordinary everyday business things using
Gnucash. It has tips, and some good advice. For example, he says it is great
to start a budget in Gnucash because you have all your previous years' data
to give estimates, but then export it as HTML and open it in a spreadsheet
to take it further.



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[GNC] Flatpak settings folder

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On Debian 10 I am testing the latest flatpak installation. It works, but I
don't see my saved reports now.

I was previously syncing the directory *~/.local/share/gnucash* between
installations by putting an alias there that pointed to a dropbox-like
folder that was synced between machines and operating systems.

Is there an equivalent directory for the flatpak version, and where would
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Re: [GNC] Difficulty in migrating Gnucash to second computer

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You can show the 'file path' of a Gnucash file, that is the location on your
hard drive directory structure, if it is one of the 'recently opened' ones
listed under the main File menu. First, in View menu, make sure you have
selected to show the Status Bar (this bar appears right at the bottom, below
the active window). Then, as you move through the different files with the
mouse cursor, the full file path is displayed in the Status Bar.

It is easy to forget the file's location after using the recently opened
list for a while.

Another place it could be shown, often is in Windows programs, is under the
File>Properties, however this is not the case in Gnucash (at least at
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Re: [GNC] Multiple GnuCash Rev Installations

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Greg: you can search for your own, and other people's, old messages on the
Nabble web site of the Gnucash mailing list. For example this message thread
is posted on this page, where you will find a search box. There are ways to
filter out just your own messages, too, there.
http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GNC-Multiple-GnuCash-Rev-Installations-td4715203.html




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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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Postscript: I was missing the Help and Concepts Guide, which I solved as
follows:

It took me several attempts, following instructions I found in INSTALL, READ
ME and elsewhere. In the end, I believe this is the part of what I did which
actually worked:

1. Download gnucash-docs from
https://sourceforge.net/projects/gnucash/files/gnucash%20(stable)/3.8/
2. Extract
3. Open extracted directory in terminal
4. Install build dependencies: `sudo apt-get build-dep gnucash-docs`
5. `make`
6. `sudo make install`



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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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Thanks for the explanation, David. I think I may have been a bit over-zealous
in my sudo use at the first stages of the procedure; that is perhaps what
caused the permissions issue when I did not 'sudo' later on.

I also run Gnucash inside Debian Buster virtual machines on both my Mac and
Windows machines (as well as the native apps), so at some stage I will have
to repeat this build operation there. When I do, I will try and be more
careful about my sudo use and see if I can build without problems; I'll
report back in due course. Now I know a bit more about how it should go, I
would also like to see how much can be done without resort to
buster-backports. Because these are virtual machines, which I can clone
(backup) before I start, it will be a bit easier to experiment with.

Buster has been out more than six months now and I may be ready soon for an
upgrade to Bullseye ('testing' in Debian) soon. By then v3.8 may have
reached the repository with a bit of luck.

A big thank you to whoever updated the 'Building on Linux' wiki
documentation, which was much improved over the last time I tried to build
Gnucash myself.



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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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I eventually succeeded in building and installing Gnucash v3.8 on Debian
Buster

I installed to /usr/local because David had success with that.

Not sure what I did to make it work, but it could have been any of the
following:
- used 'sudo' before cmake, make and make install commands; otherwise had
permissions errors
- I used: sudo cmake -DCMAKE_INSTALL_PREFIX=/usr/local
~/Downloads/gnucash-3.8b/gnucash-3.8
- after unsuccessful attempts, I deleted the build-gnucash-3.8 directory
before every new attempt; when I did not, the make command seemed to think
things were OK when they weren't and didn't, perhaps, instigate some of my
fixes
- I generally installed packages with dependency errors (if I saw them) with
buster-backports (this was new for me, but see this URL:
https://backports.debian.org/Instructions/
- because I had had an error on 'make' concerning aqbanking, I did a search
in buster-backports for every package containing 'aqbanking' and installed
them one by one with apt or apt-get before attempting another build



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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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I'm attempting to build v 3.8 on Debian (Linux) Buster, using the
instructions on 'Building on Linux' and--as far as I can understand--a side
page on installing dependencies. I've run into an error on execution of the
'make' command that I do not understand. Can anyone please suggest a
remedy?: 

[ 76%] Built target scm-test-load-gnome-utils-module
[ 76%] Built target gncmod-generic-import
CMake Error: Cannot open file for write:
/home/michael/Downloads/gnucash-3.8b/gnucash-3.8/build-gnucash-3.8/gnucash/import-export/aqb/CMakeFiles/gncmod-aqbanking.dir/depend.make.tmp
CMake Error: : System Error: Permission denied
Scanning dependencies of target gncmod-aqbanking
CMake Error: Directory Information file not found
CMake Error: Cannot open file for write:
/home/michael/Downloads/gnucash-3.8b/gnucash-3.8/build-gnucash-3.8/gnucash/import-export/aqb/CMakeFiles/gncmod-aqbanking.dir/depend.make.tmp
CMake Error: : System Error: Permission denied
make[2]: ***
[gnucash/import-export/aqb/CMakeFiles/gncmod-aqbanking.dir/build.make:307:
gnucash/import-export/aqb/CMakeFiles/gncmod-aqbanking.dir/depend] Error 2
make[1]: *** [CMakeFiles/Makefile2:8630:
gnucash/import-export/aqb/CMakeFiles/gncmod-aqbanking.dir/all] Error 2
make: *** [Makefile:163: all] Error 2




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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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Finbar, I think the Gnucash developers do their due diligence in testing but
some things don't appear until a wider group start to use the new version. 

If you depend on Gnucash, and you are using MacOS, I suggest you clone your
drive with SuperDuper! or similar software before installing a new Gnucash
and then test it for yourself. My MacOS Gnucash v3.8 works without problem.

My issues installing Gnucash 3.8 on Debian Linux Buster are only of my own
making: if I were more patient, the Debian system itself would automatically
upgrade Gnucash for me after other Debian users had done a bit more testing.
In a sense, I am trying to do something prematurely and only have myself to
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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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If I build it myself on Debian Buster--using instructions in the Gnucash
Wiki, 'Build for Linux'--will it solve the dependency issues for me?



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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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I may have posted too soon without testing the debian packages for v3.8.
Installation from the v3.8 .deb files I gave the URL for failed for me on
Debian Buster when installing using apt (and individually using gdebi, with
similar dependency issues). I uninstalled v3.7 first.

Here is a transcript from my Terminal session:

michael@thinkpad-debian:~/Downloads$ cd gnucash_3.8_deb/
michael@thinkpad-debian:~/Downloads/gnucash_3.8_deb$ sudo apt install
./*3.8*.deb
Reading package lists... Done
Building dependency tree   
Reading state information... Done
Note, selecting 'gnucash' instead of './gnucash_3.8b-1_amd64.deb'
Note, selecting 'gnucash-common' instead of
'./gnucash-common_3.8b-1_all.deb'
Note, selecting 'python3-gnucash' instead of
'./python3-gnucash_3.8b-1_amd64.deb'
Some packages could not be installed. This may mean that you have
requested an impossible situation or if you are using the unstable
distribution that some required packages have not yet been created
or been moved out of Incoming.
The following information may help to resolve the situation:

The following packages have unmet dependencies:
 gnucash : Depends: libaqbanking43 (>= 5.99.43) but it is not installable
   Depends: libboost-regex1.67.0-icu63 but it is not installable
   Depends: libgwengui-gtk3-0 (>= 4.99.24) but 4.20.0-9 is to be
installed
   Depends: libgwenhywfar78 (>= 4.99.10beta) but it is not
installable
   Depends: libstdc++6 (>= 9) but 8.3.0-6 is to be installed
   Recommends: gnucash-docs but it is not going to be installed
E: Unable to correct problems, you have held broken packages.




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Re: [GNC] v3.8

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Someone helpfully placed .deb packages for Gnucash 3.8 here (today):
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnucash/

There are old postings on the mail list that explain how to use these.



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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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Concerning PDF output, I am using Print then 'Print to File' with PDF chosen
(not Postscript or SVG).

I find I have to tinker with Page Setup and the Gnucash onscreen window
size/shape to create a graph that fits nicely on a single page PDF (this is
an Expenses bar chart). I normally run Gnucash at or near 'fullscreen' and
the chart gets tiled across multiple pages unless I reduce the window size
and change its shape to match the page orientation.

Is it expected that the screen window affects the printing size/shape? That
behavior is OK, but I would prefer to have the chart autofit onto a single
page if that is possible.




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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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Christopher: Thanks, I confirm your method of making a Firefox webpage
creates an HTML version that works across platforms, at least from Linux to
MacOS.

This could be useful if you really want HTML, but Firefox stores the
javascript code in a folder that is 772 kB, compared to about 8 kB for the
platform-specific HTML and about 100 kB for a PDF.

I will study how to contribute to documentation, thank you.



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Re: [GNC] Unexpected currency change in a report

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Bug report filed here
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797537




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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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Let me try again to post the MacOS-specific code in the HTML chart report,
which references the specific installation path of Gnucash on MacOS:



Because of punctuation this was not visible in my previous post.



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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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I think the user needs to know:

1. that the HTML Chart is platform specific 
2. that the chart will only display if GnuCash is installed
3. that because of the above, the file is not suitable for 'archival'
storage of the chart and that PDF would be better suited to that purpose.

I found the charts so useful I was about to email them to others who don't
use GnuCash (and on unknown operating systems). I will now archive and send
PDFs instead.

The HTML versions of charts do have some advantages, including at present a
very small file size, so a platform agnostic (and installation agnostic)
version would be good.





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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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OK, thanks, I understand the problem now. 

As confirmation, when I open the Mac-generated HTML report on Linux and look
at the code I find this line:




That file path explicitly refers to a Mac-specific location for Gnucash and
its contents. It clearly won't work on Linux.



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Re: [GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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Thank you for testing.

Because I sync my GnuCash prefs folder, I can open the same chart report in
the same GnuCash file from Saved Configurations within GnuCash on MacOS,
Linux and Windows. The chart (an expenses bar chart) displays properly
within Gnucash on all three platforms.

The HTML chart report export made on Windows displays in Firefox and
Internet Explorer on Windows. It does not display in Firefox on Linux or
MacOS.

The same HTML chart report export file made on Linux displays in Firefox on
Linux, but not Firefox on Windows or MacOS.

The same HTML chart report export file made on MacOS displays in Firefox on
MacOS but not on Safari on MacOS, and not on FireFox in Linux (have not
tested the Mac file in FF on Windows yet).

This behavior is reproduced if the HTML file is stored either in a
file-synced local folder (pCloud) or on a Network Attached Server on my
local network.

Before testing, I updated my Java installation on MacOS and Windows using
new installers at java.com, but at the 'verify' check (an Oracle URL), only
Internet Explorer on Windows gives a clean 'verified' response. With other
browsers and platforms I receive some variation on a message that
verification did not work, or with FireFox a message that FF 64-bit has not
supported JRE plugins since September 2018.

I am not qualified to know whether it is a GnuCash-specific problem. If you
think it is not, then I will not post a bug report.



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[GNC] HTML Chart exports are blank on MacOS/Windows browsers

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HTML exports of charts (reports) can open and display satisfactorily in any
browser on Linux, but they are blank on MacOS or Windows.

On a MacOS or Windows browser, the chart area is blank (white). Any
accompanying text table underneath the chart displays as expected, below the
blank area.

Text-only HTML reports are visible on MacOS and Windows.

Is there fix for this? Should I report it as a bug?



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Re: [GNC] Unexpected currency change in a report

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Thanks. I will file a bug report.

The report in question is 'Profit & Loss'. I could see in the text of the
Saved Reports code that my various instances of this appeared to refer to
the same template they were built on:

based on template "8758ba23984c40dea5527f5f0ca2779e"



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[GNC] Unexpected currency change in a report

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Unexpected currency change in a report between two copies of Gnucash on
different machines


Conclusion


If you keep books in multiple currencies, make reports in multiple
currencies, and also sync your preferences folder (and hence your saved
reports) between machines, then you should probably make sure you have the
same 'default currency' preferences settings in all copies of Gnucash, in
particular the

  General Preference>Reports>Default Report Currency setting (Locale or
Choose)

This setting affects the displayed currency even in reports you have already
made and set to a currency in the report's individual Options while working
in one copy of Gnucash. It is a local preference specific to one copy of
Gnucash/one machine and is not stored in the same folder as the other
preferences (and the saved reports).

This is not mentioned in the online help, presumably because syncing of the
preferences folder is outside the scope of normal usage, see Help> Report
Preferences
  

Problem experienced


I am now keeping two sets of books, one each for local transactions in each
of two countries/currencies.

I am /also/ syncing my Gnucash Preferences folder between two machines using
a sync service like Dropbox (mine is pCloud). Although this syncs many
preferences and the Saved Reports, there are still local user preferences
that are specific to each machine.

I created some reports in one or other currency and saved them. After
syncing, the reports showed up in Gnucash on both machines. But opening them
had different effects.

I had set the Report Currency I preferred for each report in Report Options
(Commodities>Report's currency) and I expected that would remain constant
between different copies of GnuCash.

However, I discovered that a Report set in Options to show Currency 1 could
open in Currency 2 on the second machine. Additionally, if I then corrected
the displayed currency (using Report Options) on Machine 2 then, after
preferences syncing, the same report would now show the 'wrong/other'
currency when opened back on the first machine.

I was surprised to discover that the machine-specific Gnucash Preferences
setting 

Reports>Report Default Currency 

was affecting the currency displayed in a Saved Report. 

The changing currencies problems only happens when reports are synced and
then opened in copies of Gnucash running with different values of Report
Default Currency. In other words, this preference setting can affect
reports, even after they have been created.



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Re: [GNC] Importing a CSV with transactions in another currency

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In the end I could not import either CSV or OFX/QFX from one currency to
another in Gnucash. I have since given up the goal of a single 'worldwide'
Gnucash file, choosing instead to run two (in my case) national files, one
based in each currency. That way, OFX imports work well, and scheduling,
budgeting and reporting make sense.

There are good Gnucash report options that compute totals so you can
manually transfer individual account totals from one set of books to the
other (for example, entering the foreign total as a single transaction on
Dec 31 each year). In particular, one Report Option checkbox can display
expense account totals in both currencies.

I did convert a foreign-currency CSV into a base-currency CSV using a
spreadsheet. This works for simple expense account totals for tax purposes.
But for everyday use, the transactions don't make sense in a 'foreign'
currency; and more advanced Gnucash functions like budgeting, scheduling and
reporting--for both countries--are difficult/confusing/impossible from a
single two-currency file.

So my suggestion for anyone contemplating a single set of 'worldwide' books:
it may be better to separate your bookkeeping into two files, two
currencies.



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[GNC] Gnucash 2.4 Ramachandran book still useful with Gnucash v3.7

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I have "Gnucash 2.4 Small Business Accounting: Beginner's Guide" by Ashok
Ramachandran, and I just wanted to let other new Gnucash users know
that--for me at least--this book is still very helpful in learning to use
the more advanced features of the program, even with Gnucash v3.7. 

If you follow the link to the Packt publisher website on the gnucash.org
home page you'll see the ebook is currently being sold at 50% discount
($13.50).
https://www.packtpub.com/hardware-and-creative/gnucash-24-small-business-accounting-beginners-guide




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Re: [GNC] Smoother register scrolling?

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Forgot to say this is on Debian Buster (10) and Gnucash 3.7.



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[GNC] Smoother register scrolling?

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In a register window, every click of my mouse scrollwheel jumps an integral
number of transactions on the screen. 

I don't know if it is just me, but I find with this effect that it is almost
impossible for me to tell whether I am scrolling up or down. I need to refer
to the 'handle' on the side of the window to show me whether I am going up
or down, or check whether the date numbers are increasing/decreasing.

Is there any setting I can change to make the scrolling smoother so that I
get an immediate visual cue which way I am scrolling?



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Re: [GNC] Importing a CSV with transactions in another currency

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Thanks to Yoman and David. This seems to be a difficult problem to fix.

Just to clarify the need for this: if you trade and/or live in two different
countries, you need to be able to report worldwide income/expenses in both
currencies. 

Ideally, to do this, the user could:
- import CSV in either currency and
- report in either currency

With these it would be possible to keep a single set of dual-currency books.



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Re: [GNC] [GNC-dev] Announcement: GnuCash 3.7 Released

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I successfully used these Disco .deb files to install Gnucash 3.7 into Debian
Stable (Buster), after first uninstalling previous versions of the three
files. 

I followed Stephen's original instructions. Thank you!



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Re: [GNC] Import CSV Multi-currency

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Just checking: am I correct in expecting Gnucash 3.5 to have the same problem
with multiple-currency CSV data as Gnucash 3.4?

The origina bug report is here:
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=796955



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Re: [GNC] GnC 3.5 for Disco - installed on Debian testing (Buster)

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I successfully used the Disco .deb files to install GnuCash-3.5 into Debian
Testing (Buster) using the instructions in Stephen's first post above:

> sudo apt remove gnucash gnucash-common python3-gnucash 
> sudo apt autoremove 
> sudo apt install ./*3.5*.deb 

Thanks for this work!



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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

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I would prefer to wait until my distribution updates to 3.5 (have had
problems trying to build from source in the past). Debian testing is already
on 3.4, so it is hopefully just a matter of time.



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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

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And if I uninstall old gnucash first (as described in an older message above)
then try to install the three items separately, I get the same errors about
libboost and libpython dependencies.



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Re: [GNC] Debian Files for GnuCash 3.4-x

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Are the Debian 3.5 packages available now? The link above is for the 3.4
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Re: [GNC] Does CSV importer work with foreign currencies?

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With the current CSV Importer interface, it is not immediately clear to me
what exchange rate would be used for the conversion of an individual
imported transaction to the base currency. 

My first assumption would be that the imported values are simply numbers and
assume the currency of the account only once they have been imported to a
foreign-currency account, as if the same numbers had been manually entered;
and that the exchange rate used to calculate the base-currency amount on the
other side of any one transaction is whatever prevails in the Price Database
on the date of that transaction.

If that is how it is supposed to work then the existing CSV importer GUI is
sufficient, but if I have got this wrong then I and other users could use
some help there :-)



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Re: [GNC] Does CSV importer work with foreign currencies?

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I have added my report to the bug report about the single line CSV issue
(above).

Converting my CSV files to a two-line format is probably more than I can do,
but I will look at it.

My workaround for now is to pre-convert the currency to my base currency in
a spreadsheet program, adding an extra column for 'Deposit-base_currency'
where I multiply by the exchange rate. After importing on this new column, I
get a base-currency version of the foreign account in GnuCash and can
compile the expense reports I need. But this is inelegant and cannot easily
be checked against the bank statements in the foreign currency.



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[GNC] Does CSV importer work with foreign currencies?

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Is it me, or does the CSV importer fail to import a foreign-currency
transaction file to a foreign-currency bank account with the exchange-rate
conversion properly respected? 

Multiple currency accounting works for manual entries, but imports from CSVs
show the same (ie unconverted) number on both the foreign and base currency
sides of the transaction.

A thread here addresses the issue, but I am not sure I understand the
conclusion:
http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GNC-Import-CSV-Multi-currency-td4705312.html



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Re: [GNC] debian seems be missing file in amd64 gnucash package

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I am running Gnucash 3.3 on Debian Buster (testing). My 'notes to self':

*Installing recent version on Debian:*
According to ...
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Debian

... try to find latest amd64 'deb' version in Debian Archive at this URL:
http://ftp.us.debian.org/debian/pool/main/g/gnucash/

Use GDebi package manager on downloaded files to install in this order
(otherwise see errors because of unsatisfied dependencies):
- gnucash-common
- gnucash
- python-gnucash

Note: choose amd64 versions where available, may have to actually uninstall
older gnucash-common and gnucash apps before newer ones can run in GDebi
without errors about missing/conflicting dependencies; python-gnucash does
not seem to be a problem to install the new version over old one.



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[GNC] Symlinking synced prefs folder: what could possibly go wrong?

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I can now use Gnucash reports on my Linux machine that I made on my Mac,
because I symlinked each machine's prefs folder (the whole thing) to a
common folder on pCloud Sync (a sync service like Dropbox).

What could possibly go wrong? :-)

The Gnucash file itself is also syncing (by the same service) on its own.

*Note:* I have read previous mail-list postings on migrating and syncing
Gnucash, and they give me some hope this can work.



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