Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

It will depend on your email client Arthur. I usually filter on gnucash which
picks up gnucash in the list address and seems to work fairly well. It your
email client also has a group by thread option this makes it easier to follow
conversations.

David Cousens

On Wed, 2022-05-18 at 01:18 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> You're right.  I get just as many individual emails addressed to  me either
> way, don't I?   
> 
> But what do I use for the filter?  Can't be 'from' if I want to catch both for
> they differ.  Can't be 'subject' for that differs.
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 10:33:16 am ACST, Derek Atkins  > wrote:  
>  
>  Hi,
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
> > Hello and thankyou.
> > I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
> > Great.
> > Hope I'm doing it right.
> > So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
> > to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
> > of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
> > it when using the digests.
> > So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
> > hurry.
> > And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
> > same time in the second account.
> > That'd be alright, I guess?
> 
> Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
> really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
> email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
> you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
> individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
> to reply to...
> 
> But hey, whatever works for you.
> 
> -derek
> 

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[john]

I've been using 
  * ^TO_gnucash-user@(lists\.)?gnucash\.org
in my procmail file for 15 years or so. Hasn't failed me yet.

Other lists have moved infrastructure and have needed recalibration, but it's 
never frequent enough to be a bother.

Regards,
John Ralls



> On May 17, 2022, at 6:18 PM, arthur brogard via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> You're right.  I get just as many individual emails addressed to  me either 
> way, don't I?   
> 
> But what do I use for the filter?  Can't be 'from' if I want to catch both 
> for they differ.  Can't be 'subject' for that differs.
> 
> 
> 
>On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 10:33:16 am ACST, Derek Atkins 
>  wrote:  
> 
> Hi,
> 
> On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
>> 
>> Hello and thankyou.
>> I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
>> Great.
>> Hope I'm doing it right.
>> So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
>> to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
>> of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
>> it when using the digests.
>> So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
>> hurry.
>> And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
>> same time in the second account.
>> That'd be alright, I guess?
> 
> Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
> really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
> email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
> you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
> individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
> to reply to...
> 
> But hey, whatever works for you.
> 
> -derek
> 
> -- 
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>   de...@ihtfp.comwww.ihtfp.com
>   Computer and Internet Security Consultant
> 
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[arthur brogard via gnucash-user]

You're right.  I get just as many individual emails addressed to  me either 
way, don't I?   

But what do I use for the filter?  Can't be 'from' if I want to catch both for 
they differ.  Can't be 'subject' for that differs.



On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 10:33:16 am ACST, Derek Atkins  
wrote:  
 
 Hi,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
>
> Hello and thankyou.
> I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
> Great.
> Hope I'm doing it right.
> So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
> to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
> of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
> it when using the digests.
> So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
> hurry.
> And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
> same time in the second account.
> That'd be alright, I guess?

Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
to reply to...

But hey, whatever works for you.

-derek

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 7:07 pm, arthur brogard wrote:
>
> Hello and thankyou.
> I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here. 
> Great.
> Hope I'm doing it right.
> So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like
> to see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle
> of responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do
> it when using the digests.
> So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no
> hurry.
> And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the
> same time in the second account.
> That'd be alright, I guess?

Yes, you could subscribe twice (with two addresses).  Although I don't
really see the point of doing that.  You might as well just tell your
email client to file all the gnucash email into its own folder and then
you can peruse the subjects that way instead of using a digest AND
individual emails.  Because you still need to *find* the individual email
to reply to...

But hey, whatever works for you.

-derek

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   de...@ihtfp.com www.ihtfp.com
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[arthur brogard via gnucash-user]

Hello and thankyou.
I'm 'replying to all' in response to your direct email I just got here.  Great.
Hope I'm doing it right.
So it seems to me I should run two accounts with the list.  Because I like to 
see what's being discussed at the same time as I don't like the hassle of 
responding to those who respond to me in the hassly way we have to do it when 
using the digests.
So I can have the digests to open and peruse whenever I feel like it, no hurry.
And I can be running a normal email - email thread about my queries at the same 
time in the second account.
That'd be alright, I guess?


   On Wednesday, 18 May 2022, 07:19:46 am ACST, Derek Atkins  
wrote:  
 
 Hi Arthur,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 5:20 pm, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:

[snip]
> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand
> how to use this list.
> I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond
> to it and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template
> footnote
> But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects
> listed at the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it
> is I go read it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that
> particular person.
> But I don't know how to do that.
> Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line,
> noting the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and
> making the reply go to 'reply all' or something.
> Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?

[snip]

You are signed up to get email list in digest form, which means the list
saves up a bunch of individual messages and combines them into a single
email (digest) for you.

Unfortunately, yes, the only way to respond to a single message that way
is to reply, change the subject, and add the target users.  You should
also remove the rest of the message, so it's clear *which* message in the
digest you're responding to.

Most of us do NOT get digests.  Instead, each email arrives separately. 
That makes it much easier to respond to individual messages (although yes,
it does sometimes clutter the inbox on busy days).

Hope this helps,

> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
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-derek

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Liz Dodd]

On Tue, 17 May 2022 21:20:14 + (UTC)
arthur brogard via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly
> understand how to use this list. I get an email from a member
> addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond to it and choose 'reply
> to all' as suggested or requested in the template footnote But mainly
> I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects listed at
> the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it is I
> go read it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that
> particular person. But I don't know how to do that. Except perhaps by
> noting the email address,  noting out subject line, noting the text,
> writing a new reply email and inputting all that and making the reply
> go to 'reply all' or something. Its surely easier than that.  What
> should I be doing?
> 

You have chosen to receive mailing list mails as a digest. There is an
alternative, where you get each email individually. 
Your method of replying to a digest is appropriate, other than please
remove the excess because there are still some people on this list on
slow internet.
We ask that you "reply to list" or "reply to all" to keep the
conversation in the archives.
It may be appropriate to reply to an individual, but for those
searching the archives it is helpful to find the answers and not just
the questions.

As for Australian law on advice? You can get your medical advice from
anybody on Facebook but not your financial. I guess the legal firms and
government entities uploading financial advice are covered by employing
people who are allowed to give advice.

I've altered the text at the bottom of the emails very rarely. I guess
I could add something about "ask your accountant" in the future.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

When replying to a question it is legitimate to copy the title of the post you 
are replying to "Re: [GNC] Am I in business?" to the subject line of the reply 
where the reply is a continuation of that discussion, particularly when 
replying to a digest.  It normally happens automatically when replying to an 
individual email. As long as the email is addressed to 
"gnucash-user@gnucash.org" it will reach the list. Most email clients have a 
Reply to List function which will copy the list address to the address field of 
the email, other wise you can do that manually. The Reply to All function will 
usually send the reply to all users in the To: and Cc: fields of the message 
you are replying to -  not desirable in many cases when replying to a mailing 
list. 
It is also possible in the mailing list preferences to set them to receive the
individual replies to the list rather than the digest -  ups the emails you get
but I find it easier than having to cut subjects out of the digest and my email
client has some efficient processes for deleting and or archiving all emails
from a given address, sender, subject etc so I am able to manage it easily.

Adding  an individual's private email address will then result in them receiving
two copies, one directly and one via the list which can be mildly annoying. To
address an individual who made a previous comment, I usually use their name  in
my reply. The general protocol on mailing lists is not to respond to an
individual's private email address (unless invited to do so -e.g. where you
might need to disclose information you may not want to make public, but are
prepared to disclose it to an indiviual). The purpose of a list is really the
exchange of information between users and other users, users and developers and
that function is lost in private email exchanges. It also means the exchange is
available to other list users as an educational tool. I often learn new aspects
of the use of Gnucash and accounting, particularly where the latter differs in
different jurisdictions from the list discussions. 

David Cousens
On Tue, 2022-05-17 at 21:20 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> Just want to thank all  those who responded to my query.  Thanks for the
> substack suggestion.  Thanks for the cautions about advice.  I'm aware of that
> aspect, don't worry.
> With respect to that:  laws against giving financial advice and the danger of
> accepting such from the unqualified,  I think we need a sort of boilerplate
> text we could append to replies and perhaps even queries which satisfactorily
> deals with both aspects.
> It does get tedious constantly running into it whenever you raise a question.
> My queries range across a lot of subjects and finance is only one them.  And
> in each subject the are addressed to many venues - as often as not simply
> found by googling.
> Its obvious that great volumes of financial information is displayed freely on
> thousands,  maybe millions, of webpages by such as solicitors, accountants,
> bookkeepers,  software vendors and I don't know what-all else. Together with
> much, much more from 'authorised' sources like the ATO,  Lands Dept,  Rev SA
> and on and on.All of them issuing disclaimers and caveats without much problem
> at all.
> If they can do it we can all do it.  There's far too  much panicky nervousness
> and caution I think.  There's real dangers and there's real ways of obviating
> them.  All reminiscent of the covid madness.
> That's that.
> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand how
> to use this list.
> I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond to it
> and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template footnote
> But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects listed at
> the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it is I go read
> it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that particular person.
> But I don't know how to do that.
> Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line, noting
> the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and making the
> reply go to 'reply all' or something.
> Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?
> 
> 
>On Sunday, 15 May 2022, 01:30:16 am ACST,  > wrote:  
>  
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Derek Atkins]

Hi Arthur,

On Tue, May 17, 2022 5:20 pm, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:

[snip]
> I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand
> how to use this list.
> I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond
> to it and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template
> footnote
> But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects
> listed at the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it
> is I go read it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that
> particular person.
> But I don't know how to do that.
> Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line,
> noting the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and
> making the reply go to 'reply all' or something.
> Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?

[snip]

You are signed up to get email list in digest form, which means the list
saves up a bunch of individual messages and combines them into a single
email (digest) for you.

Unfortunately, yes, the only way to respond to a single message that way
is to reply, change the subject, and add the target users.  You should
also remove the rest of the message, so it's clear *which* message in the
digest you're responding to.

Most of us do NOT get digests.  Instead, each email arrives separately. 
That makes it much easier to respond to individual messages (although yes,
it does sometimes clutter the inbox on busy days).

Hope this helps,

> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.

-derek

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[arthur brogard via gnucash-user]

Just want to thank all  those who responded to my query.  Thanks for the 
substack suggestion.  Thanks for the cautions about advice.  I'm aware of that 
aspect, don't worry.
With respect to that:  laws against giving financial advice and the danger of 
accepting such from the unqualified,  I think we need a sort of boilerplate 
text we could append to replies and perhaps even queries which satisfactorily 
deals with both aspects.
It does get tedious constantly running into it whenever you raise a question.
My queries range across a lot of subjects and finance is only one them.  And in 
each subject the are addressed to many venues - as often as not simply found by 
googling.
Its obvious that great volumes of financial information is displayed freely on 
thousands,  maybe millions, of webpages by such as solicitors, accountants, 
bookkeepers,  software vendors and I don't know what-all else. Together with 
much, much more from 'authorised' sources like the ATO,  Lands Dept,  Rev SA 
and on and on.All of them issuing disclaimers and caveats without much problem 
at all.
If they can do it we can all do it.  There's far too  much panicky nervousness 
and caution I think.  There's real dangers and there's real ways of obviating 
them.  All reminiscent of the covid madness.
That's that.
I've got this continuing problem with my inability to properly understand how 
to use this list.
I get an email from a member addressed to me that's fine.  I can respond to it 
and choose 'reply to all' as suggested or requested in the template footnote
But mainly I just get mailing list updates with a number of subjects listed at 
the top.  I look at that and see if my query is in there.  If it is I go read 
it and then perhaps, like now,  I'd like to respond to that particular person.
But I don't know how to do that.
Except perhaps by noting the email address,  noting out subject line, noting 
the text,  writing a new reply email and inputting all that and making the 
reply go to 'reply all' or something.
Its surely easier than that.  What should I be doing?


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Message: 1
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 13:20:51 +1000
From: Liz Dodd 
To: "gnucash-user@gnucash.org" 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Am I in business?
Message-ID: <20220514132051.73f48...@zenbook2.billiau.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII

On Sat, 14 May 2022 02:31:52 + (UTC)
arthur brogard via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.

Thinking differently here, I see a red flag because there is an
unexplained relationship between the owners of the properties. I'd
suggest that these are kept in separate "books" and quite separate from
any of your personal accounts.
As already mentioned, excellent records are required to be sure that
all allowable deductions are received.

Liz


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Message: 2
Date: Sat, 14 May 2022 11:52:19 +0800
From: Nathan Ellery 
To: GnuCash users group 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Am I in business?
Message-ID:
    
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

Arthur, I'm in Perth WA, self employed in own business and was using
Quickbooks 2002 to keep my records but much was in flux.
I no longer have the ability to reinstall my QB and it's on an old XP
32bit machine so I thought it was time to upgrade, so to what?
I suspect I've waited too long for QB because it might not be able to read
my old files but I wanted complete control over my records rather than the
current online in the cloud versions. I found Gnucash and my SIL is a
bookkeeper anyway so engaged her to create me new set of custom books in
Gnucash. She was already using it in Linux to do their own books.  It seems
to be working out

Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

While forums may be useful to gain some understanding of financial matters and
accounting for them, you always need to check carefully that any
advice/procedures provided on a website or forum (including anything said in
this forum) is actually applicable to your situation and in your jurisdiction.

You are operating a business a business and possibly are in a partnership with 
your ex if you both own the properties. 
Setting this up is really going to require professional legal and accounting
advice to ensure proper legal protection for you and your ex and compliance with
tax legislation on both your parts. Apart from that, those of us also in
Australia, would likely be breaking the law, if we provided such advice.

David Cousens.

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 15:05 +0800, Bret Busby wrote:
> On 14/5/22 10:31 am, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.
> > 
> > I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
> > We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN
> > leftover from when I attempted an online business.
> > Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we
> > sell any of those properties?
> > Should we be keeping certain records?
> > Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
> > What should we be aware of?
> > I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any
> > really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly
> > organised?
> > This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's
> > misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me
> > know.
> > :)
> > ab
> > 
> 
> This is a software users list, for seeking assistance in using the 
> particular software.
> 
> Asking what you have, is like going and sitting in the waiting area of a 
> medical practice or a hospital, and seeking qualified medical advice 
> from  the people waiting to get medical advice and treatment.
> 
> If you want to get brain surgery, or, your house built and maintained, 
> or, your car serviced, by a layman, who might not have relevant skills 
> or experience, then, okay, do it that way.
> 
> As an unqualified layman, my personal opinion, of no consequence, being 
> not a qualified professional, is quite simple - you are renting out at 
> least one property - you are obtaining income by other than direct 
> payment for your labour (wages); therefore, you are operating a business.
> 
> Go to a qualified and accredited, practising accountant.
> 
> Whilst you conspicuously omitted the information of where you are 
> located, with the use of the terms GST and ABN, in combination, you 
> appear to be in Australia.
> 
> Therefore, you would be subject to Australian taxes and tax laws.
> 
> Which means that, ever since you started renting out your properties, 
> you are supposed to have been declaring all income and expenditure, 
> related to them, and, possibly your residence.
> 
> In Australia, I believe that the applicable term for whom you need to 
> see, is a CPA - a Certified Practising Accountant.
> 
> You need to consult with one, as soon as possible. Find one in your 
> area, and, make an appointment, and explain all of your sources of 
> income, and, seek CERTIFIED, QUALIFIED, advice, as soon as possible.
> 
> Fines for not having met obligations regarding tax laws, can be 
> expensive, and, provide no benefits (other than an expensive learning 
> experience) for the individual.
> 
> Lack Of Knowledge is no defence (people often quote the malapropism 
> "Ignorance is no defence", but, ignorance involves a deliberate act to 
> ignore knowledge, which is different to lacking the knowledge).
> 
> Asking here, for the advice that you have asked, is the same as getting 
> sex education from a group of idiots hiding somewhere, inhaling toxic 
> smoke, for the fun of it (mostly, purely because it is forbidden and 
> unhealthy, making them, more the idiots) - you might get someone who 
> knows what they are talking about, and, you may not.
> 
> This is a software users mailing list, not a forum for getting the 
> advice that should be available from a Certified Practising Accountant, 
> and, a Certified Practising Accountant, of Australia, familiar with 
> Australian tax law, is the only kind of person, from whom you should be 
> seeking the advice that you are seeking, and, the only source of advice 
> of which you should heed, other than the advice to go and consult with one.
> 

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Bret Busby]

On 14/5/22 10:31 am, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:

Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.

I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN 
leftover from when I attempted an online business.
Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we sell 
any of those properties?
Should we be keeping certain records?
Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
What should we be aware of?
I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any 
really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly organised?
This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's 
misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me know.
:)
ab



This is a software users list, for seeking assistance in using the 
particular software.


Asking what you have, is like going and sitting in the waiting area of a 
medical practice or a hospital, and seeking qualified medical advice 
from  the people waiting to get medical advice and treatment.


If you want to get brain surgery, or, your house built and maintained, 
or, your car serviced, by a layman, who might not have relevant skills 
or experience, then, okay, do it that way.


As an unqualified layman, my personal opinion, of no consequence, being 
not a qualified professional, is quite simple - you are renting out at 
least one property - you are obtaining income by other than direct 
payment for your labour (wages); therefore, you are operating a business.


Go to a qualified and accredited, practising accountant.

Whilst you conspicuously omitted the information of where you are 
located, with the use of the terms GST and ABN, in combination, you 
appear to be in Australia.


Therefore, you would be subject to Australian taxes and tax laws.

Which means that, ever since you started renting out your properties, 
you are supposed to have been declaring all income and expenditure, 
related to them, and, possibly your residence.


In Australia, I believe that the applicable term for whom you need to 
see, is a CPA - a Certified Practising Accountant.


You need to consult with one, as soon as possible. Find one in your 
area, and, make an appointment, and explain all of your sources of 
income, and, seek CERTIFIED, QUALIFIED, advice, as soon as possible.


Fines for not having met obligations regarding tax laws, can be 
expensive, and, provide no benefits (other than an expensive learning 
experience) for the individual.


Lack Of Knowledge is no defence (people often quote the malapropism 
"Ignorance is no defence", but, ignorance involves a deliberate act to 
ignore knowledge, which is different to lacking the knowledge).


Asking here, for the advice that you have asked, is the same as getting 
sex education from a group of idiots hiding somewhere, inhaling toxic 
smoke, for the fun of it (mostly, purely because it is forbidden and 
unhealthy, making them, more the idiots) - you might get someone who 
knows what they are talking about, and, you may not.


This is a software users mailing list, not a forum for getting the 
advice that should be available from a Certified Practising Accountant, 
and, a Certified Practising Accountant, of Australia, familiar with 
Australian tax law, is the only kind of person, from whom you should be 
seeking the advice that you are seeking, and, the only source of advice 
of which you should heed, other than the advice to go and consult with one.


--
Bret Busby
Armadale
West Australia
(UTC+0800)
..

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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Nathan Ellery]

Arthur, I'm in Perth WA, self employed in own business and was using
Quickbooks 2002 to keep my records but much was in flux.
I no longer have the ability to reinstall my QB and it's on an old XP
32bit machine so I thought it was time to upgrade, so to what?
I suspect I've waited too long for QB because it might not be able to read
my old files but I wanted complete control over my records rather than the
current online in the cloud versions. I found Gnucash and my SIL is a
bookkeeper anyway so engaged her to create me new set of custom books in
Gnucash. She was already using it in Linux to do their own books.  It seems
to be working out ok. I am still running parallel QB until I am ready to
jump over.  I hope to be able to get more comprehensive reports on
everything I do.
My properties are half with a manager and half self managed which makes it
harder. The manager gives me great detailed reports that I just use each
year to compile but being with a property guru team I am reasonably
educated on what can be claimed and what records to keep.  As someone
pointed out already, it's not just claimable allowances but also
calculations for any renovations or improvements, calcs for CGT if you sell
etc, Poor records and you could be paying thousands extra in tax.
Yes you should have separate accounts too.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 11:21 AM Liz Dodd  wrote:

> On Sat, 14 May 2022 02:31:52 + (UTC)
> arthur brogard via gnucash-user  wrote:
>
> > I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
>
> Thinking differently here, I see a red flag because there is an
> unexplained relationship between the owners of the properties. I'd
> suggest that these are kept in separate "books" and quite separate from
> any of your personal accounts.
> As already mentioned, excellent records are required to be sure that
> all allowable deductions are received.
>
> Liz
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Liz Dodd]

On Sat, 14 May 2022 02:31:52 + (UTC)
arthur brogard via gnucash-user  wrote:

> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.

Thinking differently here, I see a red flag because there is an
unexplained relationship between the owners of the properties. I'd
suggest that these are kept in separate "books" and quite separate from
any of your personal accounts.
As already mentioned, excellent records are required to be sure that
all allowable deductions are received.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[davidcousens49]

Arthur,

You appear to be in Australia or somewhere that has a similar tax system.

Short answer - you derive income from the properties you rent out - you are
conducting a business.

If you are in Australia you will be subject to capital gains tax on all the
properties apart from your main residence - the one you live in.

You will need to maintain records for both income tax and capital gains tax
purposes. Some costs associated with the properties will be allowable deductions
for income tax purposes  and there may be costs associated with improvements
 which may be addable to the cost basis for capital gains tax purposes.

THIS IS NOT SPECIFIC ACCOUNTING ADVICE AND IS NOT NECESSARILY APPROPRIATE TO
YOUR CIRCUMSTANCES. Consult an accountant for specific advice relevant to your
circumstances. The ATO website  can provide a lot of information.

David Cousens

On Sat, 2022-05-14 at 02:31 +, arthur brogard via gnucash-user wrote:
> Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.  
> 
> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
> We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN
> leftover from when I attempted an online business.
> Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we sell
> any of those properties?
> Should we be keeping certain records?
> Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
> What should we be aware of?
> I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any
> really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly
> organised?
> This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's
> misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me know.
> :)
> ab
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Re: [GNC] Am I in business?

[Nathan Ellery]

You haven't even mentioned which country you are in let alone which state.
Obviously you need to relate the question to the tax jurisdiction you are
in.
GST? Australia?   I don't know if other countries call it a gst but it's a
common tax.
This question would be better addressed to your local accountant or the
relevant tax department, don't trust random comments from here.
I am also into property and yes you should be keeping excellent records
otherwise you are probably missing out on allowable deductions.
Property is probably one form of investment where good record keeping is a
must otherwise you are wasting your time.
If Australia, you can go to the ATO website and search for lots of
questions on keeping records for property investment.

On Sat, May 14, 2022 at 10:32 AM arthur brogard via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.
>
> I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
> We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN
> leftover from when I attempted an online business.
> Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we
> sell any of those properties?
> Should we be keeping certain records?
> Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
> What should we be aware of?
> I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in
> any really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly
> organised?
> This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's
> misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me
> know.
> :)
> ab
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[GNC] Am I in business?

[arthur brogard via gnucash-user]

Hope this is the right way to introduce a new question/thread.  

I and my ex jointly own four properties two of which are rented out.
We are not registered for gst and are not in business though I have an ABN 
leftover from when I attempted an online business.
Are we conducting an enterprise?  Will be be eligible to pay GST when we sell 
any of those properties?
Should we be keeping certain records?
Should the arrangement be formalised as a partnership or something?
What should we be aware of?
I'm putting my personal household expenses etc. into gnucash but not in any 
really strict or serious way.  Should I be getting that more properly organised?
This is the only forum I know of where I can ask such questions.  If it's 
misuse of this forum and anyone knows a more fitting place please let me know.
:)
ab

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