Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

Please include the group when you reply.

I am unable to help you further.

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:35 PM James Baxter  wrote:

> David Carlson
> Sir. Sorry if I said the wrong thing. I was in Gnucash as I was looking to
> get it straight. "I do know".  I was looking at the backup. I was looking
> through the programs and I backup that part.
>
> I don't know much about backup programs. But I think when you do a backup.
> It will backup the hole computer.
>
> Thanks
> James Baxter
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 5:06 PM, James Baxter
>  wrote:
> David Carlson
> Sir. I am not shore what you are saying.
> There is no backup for gnucash. So can it be backup. I have a drive that I
> am using. But I don't know where to go as yet. Not opened it up as yet.
>
> Thanks
> James Baxter
> kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:21 PM, David Carlson
>  wrote:
> James,
>
> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
>
> A feature in GnuCash can save recent copies of your data files and 'log'
> files that can be used if the program crashes or if the user makes a
> mistake and corrupts the most recent data file, but it is useless if your
> computer fails.
>
> There is no backup in GnuCash.
>
>
>
> On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:07 PM James Baxter via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
> Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use
> that.
> I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter
> wrote:   David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:
>  On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user
> wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> >
>
> Hi James.
>
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort
> of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.
> (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to
> in
> the program options)
>
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
>
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have
> written in a wordprocessor, for example)
>
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a
> system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a
> range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure
> up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the
> web
> about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for
> everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
>
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that
> is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window
> title
> bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually
> "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...
>
> HTH,
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stephen]

Gosh! Heck! Yes! Information wants to be free. There is so much stuff 
out there it is hard to determine what is good information and what is 
not. It is easy to determine commercial stuff because sooner or later 
one will encounter a paywall, right? That is why Askleo is a great 
resource. Here's why one needs the security of backups: 
https://youtu.be/Z3_4dnaLkSc and also how many resources are available 
to one who is willing to do the work: 
https://askleo.com/applications/backing-up-and-backup-programs/


Cheers!

On 6/28/2023 5:05 PM, David Carlson wrote:

James
 I think that you need a third party primer on how to back up the data 
on your computer.  Without promoting any particular commercial 
products the following U-Tube video may help:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFw6kiH52TM



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:09 PM Stephen  
wrote:


James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've
received
so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash
Tutorial
and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses.
This is
in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data.
There is a section specifically about backups but this is about
saving
the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a
date to
show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you
need
to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your
computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only
have
1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.

There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and
methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a
good
grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it
doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at
askleo
(dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just
a fan.
It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.

Best wishes.

On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
>> James,
>>
>> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by
your own
>> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a
safe and
>> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made
a proper
>> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
> ...> There is no backup in GnuCash.
>
> And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup
against the
> possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_
application
> program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
> Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good
things
> and have never used it, and there are several good third-party
backup
> programs.
>
> One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your
computer,
> you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another
device like
> an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer
while
> you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next
backup
> time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device?
Because if
> your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you
won't
> have access to your backup.
>
> Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than
nothing,
> but there are potential privacy and security problems with
copying your
> sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big
corporation's computer.
>
> P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
> your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the
usefulness
> of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.
>
> Stan Brown
> Tehachapi, CA, USA
> https://BrownMath.com 
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

James
 I think that you need a third party primer on how to back up the data on
your computer.  Without promoting any particular commercial products the
following U-Tube video may help:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFw6kiH52TM



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 4:09 PM Stephen 
wrote:

> James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've received
> so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash Tutorial
> and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses. This is
> in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data.
> There is a section specifically about backups but this is about saving
> the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a date to
> show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you need
> to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your
> computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only have
> 1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.
>
> There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and
> methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a good
> grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it
> doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at askleo
> (dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just a fan.
> It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.
>
> Best wishes.
>
> On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:
> > On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
> >> James,
> >>
> >> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> >> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> >> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> >> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
> > ...> There is no backup in GnuCash.
> >
> > And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
> > possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
> > program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
> > Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
> > and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
> > programs.
> >
> > One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
> > you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
> > an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
> > you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
> > time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
> > your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
> > have access to your backup.
> >
> > Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
> > but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
> > sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's
> computer.
> >
> > P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
> > your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
> > of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.
> >
> > Stan Brown
> > Tehachapi, CA, USA
> > https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stephen]

James, you're getting some good advice in the responses you've received 
so far. May I add that it might be useful to review the Gnucash Tutorial 
and Concepts Guide regarding types of files Gnucash makes/uses. This is 
in Chapter 2 (Ver 4 Tutorial) called Backing Up and Recovering Data. 
There is a section specifically about backups but this is about saving 
the most recent user file saved going back in time and it uses a date to 
show when it was made. It is useful as an operational tool if you need 
to go backwards to a point in time but it is NOT a backup of your 
computer files to a separate location. In other words, if you only have 
1 copy of your file then you do NOT have a secure backup.


There is a lot of information about backing up computer files and 
methods to do it. If I may suggest it, go back to basics and get a good 
grounding in how backing up works. It can seem complicated but it 
doesn't have to be. Search for backing up and I suggest look at askleo 
(dot) com articles. I am in no way associated with askleo -- just a fan. 
It is critical to get a good handle on backing up your computer files.


Best wishes.

On 6/28/2023 3:35 PM, Stan Brown wrote:

On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:

James,

When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.

...> There is no backup in GnuCash.

And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
programs.

One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
have access to your backup.

Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's computer.

P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Stan Brown]

On 2023-06-28 13:21, David Carlson wrote:
> James,
> 
> When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
> volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
> proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
> choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.
...> There is no backup in GnuCash.

And let us be clear, it's not GnuCash's job to do a backup against the
possibility of a computer failure. It's not the job of _any_ application
program to do that. Making backups is a specialized system function.
Windows itself has a backup program, though I've not heard good things
and have never used it, and there are several good third-party backup
programs.

One thing is key: if you "back up" to another location on your computer,
you have not done a real backup. A real backup is to another device like
an external hard drive, one which is connected to your computer while
you are making a backup, then immediately disconnected till next backup
time. Why is it critical to back up to a different device? Because if
your computer crashes, and your backup is on your computer, you won't
have access to your backup.

Many people back up to "the cloud". I will say it's better than nothing,
but there are potential privacy and security problems with copying your
sensitive data to what is, after all, just some big corporation's computer.

P.S. You mentioned a "backup" by Libre Office. All that does is copy
your documents somewhere in a folder below AppData. For the usefulness
of this, see "if your computer crashes", two paragraphs up.

Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

James,

When your computer fails, your data will be gone unless you, by your own
volition, have made a special plan to back up your data to a safe and
proper external location.  Nobody here can tell you if you made a proper
choice.  That also goes for all the other data on your computer.

A feature in GnuCash can save recent copies of your data files and 'log'
files that can be used if the program crashes or if the user makes a
mistake and corrupts the most recent data file, but it is useless if your
computer fails.

There is no backup in GnuCash.



On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 2:07 PM James Baxter via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use
> that.
> I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter
> wrote:   David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:
>  On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user
> wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> >
>
> Hi James.
>
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort
> of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.
> (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to
> in
> the program options)
>
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
>
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have
> written in a wordprocessor, for example)
>
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a
> system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a
> range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure
> up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the
> web
> about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for
> everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
>
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that
> is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window
> title
> bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually
> "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...
>
> HTH,
> Maf.
>
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

Sir. I am using LibreOffice. There is a backup in the program. So I use that.
I am going to reread your email to see what you are talking about.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 6:49 AM, James Baxter wrote:   
David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



  
  
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Fross, Michael]

GNUCash does backups by default if you use XML.  Every time you save there
is a backup made.  It sits in the same directory as your main data file (I
wish you could specify a specific folder.)

However, what the folks on this chain are talking about is a backup of
those files in case the hard drive fails or gets corrupted.  So, yes the
program creates backups, but you really need more than that.

Michael

On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 9:14 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> On 6/28/2023 7:18 AM, Maf. King wrote:
> > Hi James,
> >
> > I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.
> >
> > I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that
> your
> > back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will),
> then
> > it might be time to rethink your strategy.
> >
> > good luck,
> > Maf.
> >
> And I strongly suggest that your backup strategy simply back up all your
> user data (and individually). In other words, back up the entire
> directory or directories (if not simply doing your user directory). Why?
>
> a) It is less work to set up. Might take a bit more space, but these
> days space is CHEAP.
>
> b) There will be no question whether some bit of data has been backed
> up. That's the risk when specifying file by file (or subdirectory by
> subdirectory). You might forget to add a new one.
>
> c) The structure will be the same in the backup as on the computer.
> Makes it easy to find if doing a restore of just one file, etc.
>
> d)  Relatively quick to make a second copy (of the first backup) to be
> stored safely elsewhere. For example, you might be making daily/weekly
> backups keeping the last N of them but make a second copy of the last
> each month and keep that "off site".
>
> e) I strongly suggest you include in the name of each backup directory
> the Julian date << from a person who in my working days experienced the
> hell week when a file was restored from the wrong backup at one of the
> world's larger "financials". And what got me my second big
> bonus/recognition and being made "honorary systems support" in the
> aftermath for devising a system to prevent that from ever happening again.
>
> Michael D Novack --- who had a house fire in 2006 that burned just the
> room computers were in but smoke/water damage affected backups kept
> elsewhere in the house. These now "live" in a fire box inside a dead
> fridge out in the barn/garage.
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 6/28/2023 7:18 AM, Maf. King wrote:

Hi James,

I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.

I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that your
back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will), then
it might be time to rethink your strategy.

good luck,
Maf.

And I strongly suggest that your backup strategy simply back up all your 
user data (and individually). In other words, back up the entire 
directory or directories (if not simply doing your user directory). Why?


a) It is less work to set up. Might take a bit more space, but these 
days space is CHEAP.


b) There will be no question whether some bit of data has been backed 
up. That's the risk when specifying file by file (or subdirectory by 
subdirectory). You might forget to add a new one.


c) The structure will be the same in the backup as on the computer. 
Makes it easy to find if doing a restore of just one file, etc.


d)  Relatively quick to make a second copy (of the first backup) to be 
stored safely elsewhere. For example, you might be making daily/weekly 
backups keeping the last N of them but make a second copy of the last 
each month and keep that "off site".


e) I strongly suggest you include in the name of each backup directory 
the Julian date << from a person who in my working days experienced the 
hell week when a file was restored from the wrong backup at one of the 
world's larger "financials". And what got me my second big 
bonus/recognition and being made "honorary systems support" in the 
aftermath for devising a system to prevent that from ever happening again.


Michael D Novack --- who had a house fire in 2006 that burned just the 
room computers were in but smoke/water damage affected backups kept 
elsewhere in the house. These now "live" in a fire box inside a dead 
fridge out in the barn/garage.



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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Maf. King]

Hi James,

I'm Maf, not David, and I can't tell you that from here.

I would suggest that on a philosophical level, if you don't *know* that your 
back-up strategy is working (and you can recover files from it at will), then 
it might be time to rethink your strategy.

good luck,
Maf.

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 11:49:46 BST you wrote:
> David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
> 
>   On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> > I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> > Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 
> Hi James.
> 
> If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is
> possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of
> back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data*
> file.  (I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC
> not to in the program options)
> 
> May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?
> 
> How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you
> have written in a wordprocessor, for example)
> 
> If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system
> you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive
> a range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware
> failure up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on
> the web about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right
> for everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...
> 
>  Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you
> devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then
> that is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main
> window title bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but
> don't actually "Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up
> adequately or not...
> 
> HTH,
> Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Backup

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

David You are not tell me if the backup is working or not.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Wed, Jun 28, 2023 at 3:35 AM, Maf. King wrote:   On 
Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



  
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Maf. King]

On Wednesday, 28 June 2023 00:46:45 BST James Baxter via gnucash-user wrote:
> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what. ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
> 

Hi James.

If you are using the default  XML file to store your GC data, then it is 
possible to have GC set up in a way so that the *program* creates a sort of 
back-up file each time you save the changes you have made to the *Data* file.  
(I think GC does this by default, if you don't explicitly tell GC not to in 
the program options)

May I ask a related (rhetorical) question?

How do you back up your other *data* files?  (ie your photos, letters you have 
written in a wordprocessor, for example)  

If those things are important to you, then you really should devise a system 
you are comfortable with so that your important digital assets can survive a 
range of threats - from minor disk errors thru ransomware or hardware failure 
up to catastrophies like fire, flood etc.  There is lots of info on the web 
about how to do this and there is no correct answer that is right for 
everyone... and it is not on-topic for this list...

 Just (as a minimum) include your GC data file in that backup strategy you 
devise if you don't know where you have saved your GC data file, then that 
is the first thing you need to figure out (hints: look at the main window title 
bar for the filename and File -> SaveAs for the folder (but don't actually 
"Save"!)) before you consider if the file is backed up adequately or not...

HTH,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

James,

Did you design your backup strategy to include your GnuCash data?

And did you test the strategy to see if you could recover the data?

If so, you should be good.  If not, you have some work to do.




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> I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does
> Gnucash have a backup. Or what.
> ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com
>
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[GNC] Backup

[James Baxter via gnucash-user]

I have a backup drive. I have looked over it and I don't see it. Does Gnucash 
have a backup. Or what.
ThanksJames Baxter kangaro...@yahoo.com 

Sent from Yahoo Mail on Android
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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder - solution for Windows

[Char_GNC]

Thanks for replies.   1) My approach was to leave the GNC backup process as is 
and handle the files only (moving them out of the base dir).   2) I have many 
other files also in a folder where my budget database file resists, so I wanted 
to move backups instantly.   3) I also wanted not to create custom shortcuts 
which can break (if you move your database file) and you have to remember to 
open GNC with the shortcut only.   So the idea is to set this up once and 
forget – which means later open/use GNC as you like, let the system run 
the task *automagically* whenever GNC is started (and end the task whenever it 
is closed/killed) and move the backup files *automagically* to keep the folder 
clean (there are instructions inside the script) :)  Regards,  Char 
5.08.2022 17:12 Jack Lockard   jelock...@outlook.com :  You can also 
use a batch file to accomplish the task of moving the backup and log files. I 
have a batch file named Start GNUcash.bat that contains the 
following:   @ECHO OFF  ECHO Starting GNUcash  START Starting GNUcash 
/WAIT C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe  ECHO GNUcash 
closed  MOVE C:\data file location\*.gnucash.*.gnucash C:\Backup 
file location  MOVE C:\data file location\*.log C:\Backup 
file location  PAUSE  @ECHO ON  EXIT   The START command starts GNUcash 
and waits for it to close. Once it closes, it moves the backup and log files to 
the backup folder.  Obviously you would need to change the data file and backup 
file locations to suit your system. The file location spec does not need to be 
enclosed in quotes if there is no White Space in the file spec. Note 
that you cannot simply use *.gnucash for the backup file as that 
would move the main data file as well, so it must be 
*.gnucash.*.gnucash.   Jack-Original Message-  From: 
gnucash-user gnucash-user-bounces+jelockard=outlook@gnucash.org On 
Behalf Of Glenn Fowler   Thank you for sharing.  I do my backups with PS as 
well but just do a once daily run and check the file hash for changes. If 
its changed then copy.   On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 6:47 PM GNC mailinglist 
fly...@10g.pl wrote:   Hi,    Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was 
disappointed by the multiple  backup and log files cluttering the directory 
where the main budget  file is stored. Ive searched and found out nobody 
even made a  workaround. So I wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching 
folder  for new files and moving them to another folder. Take a look at →    
github.com  nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com 
https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher   .  The file has an  explanation 
but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.    Best  regards, Char
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[GNC] Backup files in another folder ? solution for Windows

[Chris Good]

Message: 2
> Date: Fri, 05 Aug 2022 00:47:05 +0200
> From: GNC mailinglist 
> To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org 
> Subject: [GNC] Backup files in another folder ? solution for Windows
> Message-ID: <875471b7354140d490ddd6c5dd291...@grupawp.pl>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the multiple 
> backup and log files cluttering the directory where the main budget file is 
> stored. Ive searched and found out nobody even made a workaround. So I 
> wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching folder for new files and moving 
> them to another folder. Take a look at ?  github.com 
> https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher ?.  The file has an explanation 
> but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best regards, Char
> 
Hi Char,

In my humble opinion, If you put each GnuCash book in its own directory, and 
set the GnuCash preferences to automatically remove older backups and logs, 
there is no need to move them.
BTW, you may be interested in my utility for encrypting and compressing most of 
the files you need to backup a GnuCash book to an off site cloud storage folder 
(I.e. Dropbox, OneDrive, Google drive or iCloud) called BackupGnuCash:

See https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Published_tools.

You do have to be reasonably computer proficient to install my utility.

Also there is a lot of backup info in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup

Regards, Chris Good
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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Glenn Fowler]

Not at all! Just adding info for this great community and for the next
person that searches

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 10:22 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Of course. Sorry if it seemed I implied otherwise.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 8/5/22 9:02 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:
> > Even with the SQLite database you still need backups.
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Jack Lockard]

You can also use a batch file to accomplish the task of moving the backup and 
log files. I have a batch file named "Start GNUcash.bat" that contains the 
following:

@ECHO OFF
ECHO Starting GNUcash
START "Starting GNUcash" /WAIT "C:\Program Files (x86)\gnucash\bin\gnucash.exe"
ECHO GNUcash closed
MOVE "C:\data file location\*.gnucash.*.gnucash" "C:\Backup file location"
MOVE "C:\data file location\*.log" "C:\Backup file location"
PAUSE
@ECHO ON
EXIT

The START command starts GNUcash and waits for it to close. Once it closes, it 
moves the backup and log files to the backup folder.  Obviously you would need 
to change the data file and backup file locations to suit your system. The file 
location spec does not need to be enclosed in quotes if there is no "White 
Space" in the file spec. Note that you cannot simply use "*.gnucash" for the 
backup file as that would move the main data file as well, so it must be 
"*.gnucash.*.gnucash".

Jack


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Behalf Of Glenn Fowler
Sent: Thursday, August 4, 2022 7:12 PM
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Cc: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

Thank you for sharing.
I do my backups with PS as well but just do a once daily run and check the file 
hash for changes. If it's changed then copy.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 6:47 PM GNC mailinglist  wrote:

> Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the multiple
> backup and log files cluttering the directory where the main budget 
> file is stored. Ive searched and found out nobody even made a 
> workaround. So I wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching folder 
> for new files and moving them to another folder. Take a look at →  
> github.com
> https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2FKaligula0%2FFolderWatcherdata=05%7C01%7C%7C10814a96c5234a88fdd908da766fffb6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637952520658959336%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7Csdata=1zcfSLQK%2FBI%2FJM%2FzuATFplweHxp73T0VzqPdDuaN%2FxI%3Dreserved=0
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> explanation but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best
> regards, Char
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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Adrien Monteleone]

Of course. Sorry if it seemed I implied otherwise.

Regards,
Adrien

On 8/5/22 9:02 AM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

Even with the SQLite database you still need backups.



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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Glenn Fowler]

Even with the SQLite database you still need backups.

One could use the built-in backup scheme to guard against user error or
database corruption and then also a copy to other media (cloud, external
drive, etc.) to guard against hardware failure.

On Fri, Aug 5, 2022 at 9:37 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> An alternative is to use the SQLite backend. There is no file
> cluttering, and the added bonus of instant saves rather than periodic.
> I'm not sure how easy that is to set up on Windows, however.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 8/4/22 5:47 PM, GNC mailinglist wrote:
> > Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the
> multiple backup and log files cluttering the directory where the main
> budget file is stored. Ive searched and found out nobody even made a
> workaround. So I wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching folder for
> new files and moving them to another folder. Take a look at →  github.com
> https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher  .  The file has an
> explanation but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best
> regards, Char
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Adrien Monteleone]

An alternative is to use the SQLite backend. There is no file 
cluttering, and the added bonus of instant saves rather than periodic. 
I'm not sure how easy that is to set up on Windows, however.


Regards,
Adrien

On 8/4/22 5:47 PM, GNC mailinglist wrote:

Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the multiple backup 
and log files cluttering the directory where the main budget file is stored. 
Ive searched and found out nobody even made a workaround. So I wrote a 
Powershell (Windows) script watching folder for new files and moving them to another 
folder. Take a look at →  github.com https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher  .  The 
file has an explanation but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best 
regards, Char



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Re: [GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[Glenn Fowler]

Thank you for sharing.
I do my backups with PS as well but just do a once daily run and check the
file hash for changes. If it's changed then copy.

On Thu, Aug 4, 2022 at 6:47 PM GNC mailinglist  wrote:

> Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the multiple
> backup and log files cluttering the directory where the main budget file is
> stored. Ive searched and found out nobody even made a workaround. So I
> wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching folder for new files and
> moving them to another folder. Take a look at →  github.com
> https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher  .  The file has an
> explanation but feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best
> regards, Char
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[GNC] Backup files in another folder – solution for Windows

[GNC mailinglist]

Hi,Im new to GnuCash but, yep, I was disappointed by the multiple 
backup and log files cluttering the directory where the main budget file is 
stored. Ive searched and found out nobody even made a workaround. So I 
wrote a Powershell (Windows) script watching folder for new files and moving 
them to another folder. Take a look at →  github.com 
https://github.com/Kaligula0/FolderWatcher  .  The file has an explanation but 
feel free to comment here or file a bug there.Best regards, Char
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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[boldstripe]

FYI, I have successfully used EncFS and Cryptomator to store encrypted
Gnucash data on a Dropbox-like sync service.



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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[Geert Janssens]

Op donderdag 14 mei 2020 01:01:13 CEST schreef flywire:
> - GnuPG may well offer better security but it's not as turnkey

I agree with the essence of Stephen's reply: gnucash does accounting. If you 
need a layer of encryption to protect that, you'll have to find a solution 
that supplements it. There are plenty of tools on all common platforms that 
allow you to set up an encrypted directory. If the privacy of your data is 
important to you, you can use something like that.
Or store your data in a mysql or postgresql database. Both allow you to set a 
password.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[flywire]

Simply put:
- I'm not the one using it
- it's to prevent casually or accidentally displaying the data
- considering the external value of personal cashbook data this very
accessible process kindly provided by a community member seems
fit-for-purpose
- GnuPG may well offer better security but it's not as turnkey
- if your employer is using a key-stroke logger then leave

>
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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[Stephen M. Butler]

Encryption is very personal and also very hard to get right. 
1.  Personal.  You might prefer a commercial product (PGP) while I
prefer open source (GnuPG).
2.  Hard.  Simply XOR and many short-bit keys are now easily breakable. 
Even those who create methods (two-fish, RSA, etc) make mistakes that
leave loop-holes open to be exploited.
   (See commentary by Bruce Schneier -- https://www.schneier.com/)

So, 'tis better to use a tool built for encryption to do that work than
to expect all other tools to implement (poorly) same.  Pick the right
tool for the job rather than expecting a screw-driver to drive a nail
(or clamp two boards together).

While at it, remember that if you are not on your own box, simply having
your key available means that your data is compromised.  Any key-stroke
logger on the company machine could capture the key as you type it in
(from memory). 

So, why are you putting your personal data on a company supplied
machine?  Your data is already compromised even with attempting to
encrypt it.

On 5/13/20 12:36 AM, flywire wrote:
> Er ... no encryption.
>
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Can_you_please_add_a_password_feature.3F
> ...[No]
>
> The actual problem is access to personal data on a work supplied computer.
> An optional program based backup is more appropriate. GnuCash won't install
> but thankfully there is a portable version
> https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797740
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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[flywire]

Er ... no encryption.

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Can_you_please_add_a_password_feature.3F
...[No]

The actual problem is access to personal data on a work supplied computer.
An optional program based backup is more appropriate. GnuCash won't install
but thankfully there is a portable version
https://bugs.gnucash.org/show_bug.cgi?id=797740

>
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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[David Cousens]

GnuCash already has an option in the user preferences for the XML data file
to be stored in compressed form (zipped) on the hard disk. It is
automatically zipped and unzipped by gnucash in that case. It may be the
default but I'm less sure about that.

Just copy it to  a backup location as required. One could also zip the
directory with the data files and include the gnucash generated backup and
log files (which can be replayed from a previous backup) using a cron job
(or similar in Windows).

Some of us prefer backups not to be individual program initiated as we often
back up related information created with other programs.

David



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Re: [GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[flywire]

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2014-September/056076.html

>
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[GNC] Backup to encrypted 7zip file

[flywire]

Hmm, old idea apparently. GnuCash is launched in Windows from a batch file
to it seems to integrate well.
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Re: [GNC] Backup Module

[A Harvey]

Wait!  EMACS already supports double-entry bookkeeping. :-)
https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/CategoryFinancial


On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 2:28 PM Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user <
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> On 3/24/20 9:32 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> > On 3/24/2020 7:58 AM, lbo...@rogers.com wrote:
> >> Would it be possible to incorporate a backup module function into the
> >> menu bar, as a pull-down feature under the heading "File", as is
> >> commonly found in some programs?   Backing up to the hardrive is
> >> currently automatic but saving to a disc or memory stick, for off site
> >> storage could be made simpler for the less technically inclined user.
> >>
> >> Thanks,
> >>
> >> Leo
> >
> > Would not be hard to do BUT would foster bad practice with regard to
> > backup procedures. Do you really want to back up all the data on your
> > computer file by file? The point is, it is not just your gnucash data
> > that needs backup but ALL your user data. And if there is a process
> > whereby all your user data is backed up, a special process to back up
> > gnucash data is redundant.
>
> If you are going to put all kinds of things into GnuCash, why not a web
> browser, an e-mail program, etc.? Pretty soon it will end up like emacs,
> where you pretty much can do anything within the one program, but it may
> drive you nuts trying to figure out how.
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup Module

[Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user]

On 3/24/20 9:32 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote:
> On 3/24/2020 7:58 AM, lbo...@rogers.com wrote:
>> Would it be possible to incorporate a backup module function into the
>> menu bar, as a pull-down feature under the heading "File", as is
>> commonly found in some programs?   Backing up to the hardrive is
>> currently automatic but saving to a disc or memory stick, for off site
>> storage could be made simpler for the less technically inclined user.
>>
>> Thanks,
>>
>> Leo
> 
> Would not be hard to do BUT would foster bad practice with regard to
> backup procedures. Do you really want to back up all the data on your
> computer file by file? The point is, it is not just your gnucash data
> that needs backup but ALL your user data. And if there is a process
> whereby all your user data is backed up, a special process to back up
> gnucash data is redundant.

If you are going to put all kinds of things into GnuCash, why not a web
browser, an e-mail program, etc.? Pretty soon it will end up like emacs,
where you pretty much can do anything within the one program, but it may
drive you nuts trying to figure out how.

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Re: [GNC] Backup Module

[Adrien Monteleone]

As Michael notes, there is more than just a data file. Preferences are stored 
separately as are saved report configurations, and any interface 
customizations. (such as if one uses a custom CSS file) And they aren’t just 
stored in separate files, they are also in different directories.

Better to just manage backups for your entire user profile or the entire 
machine than just a one-off copy of the data file. It would also add code that 
adds technical debt to maintain when there are already existing backup 
mechanisms outside of GnuCash.

Regards,
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> On 3/24/2020 7:58 AM, lbo...@rogers.com wrote:
> Would it be possible to incorporate a backup module function into the menu 
> bar, as a pull-down feature under the heading "File", as is commonly found in 
> some programs?   Backing up to the hardrive is currently automatic but saving 
> to a disc or memory stick, for off site storage could be made simpler for the 
> less technically inclined user.
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Leo

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Re: [GNC] Backup Module

[Michael DeBusk]

On Tue, Mar 24, 2020 at 9:36 AM Michael or Penny Novack <
stepbystepf...@comcast.net> wrote:

> a special process to back up gnucash data is redundant.

While I agree that adding this feature to the application would be a poor
idea, I do see the point.

I back up my hard drive to an external drive, sure. And there are certain
data that I also back up to multiple other places... information that is so
important to me that losing it is an insufferable idea. My Gnucash file is
one of those. (Another is my password safe data, for example.)

I back these up manually to multiple places whenever I change them. It
works for me. If I changed them more often, I might set up a cron job to
make encrypted copies and move them to where I want them.

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Re: [GNC] Backup Module

[Michael or Penny Novack]

On 3/24/2020 7:58 AM, lbo...@rogers.com wrote:

Would it be possible to incorporate a backup module function into the menu bar, as a 
pull-down feature under the heading "File", as is commonly found in some 
programs?   Backing up to the hardrive is currently automatic but saving to a disc or 
memory stick, for off site storage could be made simpler for the less technically 
inclined user.

Thanks,

Leo


Would not be hard to do BUT would foster bad practice with regard to 
backup procedures. Do you really want to back up all the data on your 
computer file by file? The point is, it is not just your gnucash data 
that needs backup but ALL your user data. And if there is a process 
whereby all your user data is backed up, a special process to back up 
gnucash data is redundant.


Look at procedures/process alternatives for general backup. Which would 
work best for you. There are lots of alternatives.


Michael D Novack


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[GNC] Backup Module

[lbo...@rogers.com]

Would it be possible to incorporate a backup module function into the menu bar, 
as a pull-down feature under the heading "File", as is commonly found in some 
programs?   Backing up to the hardrive is currently automatic but saving to a 
disc or memory stick, for off site storage could be made simpler for the less 
technically inclined user.

Thanks,

Leo
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Maf. King]

On Tuesday, 12 February 2019 12:09:22 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:
> Well, I hope I understood all that.
> 
> I did a save as in a new folder called GNU FEB 12 2019, >Saved all the
> open accounts, >closed them, >quit and then reopened GNUcash.
> 
> Voila, afaics, a file opened called GNU FEB12 2019.gnucash and it
> contains the last transactions, so far so good.
> 
> Just have to remember to save and quit ??
> 

Yay!  Glad it is back to sane behaviour.  

Saving your work before quitting is always worth considering  :-)

Maf.





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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Well, I hope I understood all that.

I did a save as in a new folder called GNU FEB 12 2019, >Saved all the 
open accounts, >closed them, >quit and then reopened GNUcash.


Voila, afaics, a file opened called GNU FEB12 2019.gnucash and it 
contains the last transactions, so far so good.


Just have to remember to save and quit ??

Thanks again, Finbar

On 11/02/2019 15:10, Maf. King wrote:


Good luck,
Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Adrien Monteleone]

Yes, if you just launch GnuCash from its launcher it will open the last file 
you had open when you did a ’Save’ and ‘Quit’.

But apparently, you intentionally at one point opened a backup file instead of 
the current working file, twice. (each time a different backup file)

You normally do *not* want to see any dates in the name of the currently open 
file. (unless you intentionally put that in the file name, such as the year if 
you open new files each year)

If you have a file open and there is a GnuCash generated date in the file name 
(like what you’ve shown previously, I can’t see the attachments either) then 
you very likely have a mess on your hands.

You’ll need to figure out which file is the ‘most correct one’ and contains the 
*most* transactions that you expect to be there. If you find another file with 
transactions you thought to be missing, you can open them side-by-side and 
copy/paste into the ‘most correct’ file. (Business Feature transactions will 
have to be done manually) Then I’d do a Save As on the ‘most correct’ file to 
reset the filename to something simple without the date—e.g., ‘mybook.gnucash’ 
When you are trying to figure this out, be sure to set your file manager to 
show last access date for each file. That will be eye opening. I’d suspect the 
last access date of mybook.gnucash to be on or before the last GnuCash 
generated date in the file name you are working in.

When you are confident you have everything straight, then delete ALL other 
files in the folder leaving only mybook.gnucash.

Do a backup to BackBlaze manually and make sure older backups are erased. (so 
you don’t accidentally restore one of the incomplete ‘messy’ files in the 
future)

Finally, don’t open any files with a GnuCash generated date again, unless you 
are trying to resolve an issue and don’t enter ANY transactions into that file. 
Only open such files for inspection and research. Enter transactions only in 
the ‘mybook.gnucash’ file.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Feb 11, 2019, at 7:24 AM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
> 
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
> 
> You said -
> 
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you 
> shutdown last time around,
> 
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been digging 
> in the folder.]
> 
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
> 
> On the bottom of the screen.
> 
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go to 
> file>open and I get -
> 
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file. 
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
> 
> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally come 
> to -
> 
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the very 
> first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the others in 
> the second grab seem to fit the criteria.
> 
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to 
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
> 
> Thank you very much for your patience.
> 
> Finbar


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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Maf. King]

Hi Finbar.

Comments in-line below...

On Monday, 11 February 2019 13:24:32 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
> 
> You said -
> 
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when
> you shutdown last time around,
> 
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been
> digging in the folder.]
> 
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
> 
> On the bottom of the screen.
> 
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? 

The file you have opened was originally an auto-backup of the file you called 
"GNU 5 Feb 2018 ", this backup was made after you hit Save on 5th March 2018 
at 17.16

> so, I go
> to file>open and I get -
> 
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file.
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
> 

those 2 *.log files suggest that you were editing a different "auto backup", 
one taken originally on 1st March 2018 at 12:42.  Seems you opened or that file 
on 6th Feb this year, at around 16.15.  But the log files are not your data, so 
don't worry too much about them.

> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally
> come to -
> 
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the
> very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the
> others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.

Looks like there is a couple of auto-backups in the image 6.png that suggest 
you had the current file open for editing yesterday at around 14.14 or so.  the 
top entry in that image suggests you also had the current file open on saturday 
at 12.45 too.

the last file in the list shown in 6.png is the "lock" file that GC uses to 
help 
prevent openign the data twice - the "can't get lock" message we all see 
(occasionally) at start up - it should clear away on a clean shutdown.  Proves 
that the current file is in that folder somewhere...

> 
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to
> 
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
> 

GC does that by default (and always on a mac).  The problem is that at some 
point after 5th March last year, you told GC to open a different file.  And it 
has been doing so ever since.


I suggest that you might like to do a file->save as and use a new name without 
the datestamps, but it is clear from 5.png that you have worked with 2 files in 
the last week (possibly more?), so you may well be missing things from the 
current file that you thought you had done, but are in the "wrong" file.  
You'll 
need to look carefully at how the 2 files differ before tiding up.

Good luck,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Colin Law]

I can't see the images you presumable posted for some reason, but I
suspect what happened was that some time ago you, for some reason,
opened one of the backup files (so
whatever.gnucash.longdatestring.gnucash) and didn't then re-open or
save as the original file name.  Ever since then you have bee using
that file as your working file so it has been making backup files with
the the second timestamp added too.  Thus it may well be that the file
with the latest single date string is actually your latest data.

As for your comment that you are used to applications opening the last
used file, that is exactly what Gnucash has been doing.

Colin

On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 at 13:28, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
>
> Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -
>
> You said -
>
> [When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when
> you shutdown last time around,
>
> so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been
> digging in the folder.]
>
> I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -
>
> On the bottom of the screen.
>
> which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go
> to file>open and I get -
>
> etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file.
> Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.
>
> So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally
> come to -
>
> The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the
> very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the
> others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.
>
> :-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to
> assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'
>
> Thank you very much for your patience.
>
> Finbar
>
> On 11/02/2019 12:08, Maf. King wrote:
> > On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:
> >> OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?
> >>
> > No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.
> >
> > let me clarify.
> >
> > Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are
> > made up (but plausible)
> >
> > you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old
> > "mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the
> > changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"
> >
> > you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save 
> > and
> > quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
> > 201901081256.gnucash
> >
> > GC now has 3 files in the folder:
> >
> > mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
> > mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
> > mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it
> >
> > as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go 
> > a
> > few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions
> > seeming to go missing from months ago!
> >
> > When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you 
> > shut
> > down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake 
> > if
> > you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open
> > with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what 
> > file you
> > try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking
> > at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.
> >
> > HTH,
> > Maf,
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Wow, this is getting (more) complicated -

You said -

[When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when 
you shutdown last time around,


so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if you've been 
digging in the folder.]


I just booted up GNUcash without any 'digging' and got  -

On the bottom of the screen.

which follows your information, as the 'second' file? right ? so, I go 
to file>open and I get -


etc., etc. None of which have the date that is on the open GNUcash file. 
Maybe it is one of the files marked 'wed'? but the dates don't match.


So I look further down the list of files under file > open and I finally 
come to -


The only file on these two grabs which fits your name criteria is the 
very first one above but the date is almost a year ago, and none of the 
others in the second grab seem to fit the criteria.


:-( I am truly sorry for the long sequence of q but I am accustomed to 
assuming the file I last used opens again after I 'save' and 'quit'


Thank you very much for your patience.

Finbar

On 11/02/2019 12:08, Maf. King wrote:

On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:

OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?


No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.

let me clarify.

Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are
made up (but plausible)

you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old
"mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the
changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"

you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save and
quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
201901081256.gnucash

GC now has 3 files in the folder:

mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it

as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go a
few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions
seeming to go missing from months ago!

When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you shut
down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if
you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open
with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what file you
try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking
at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.

HTH,
Maf,






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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 11 February 2019 10:35:30 GMT you wrote:
> OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?
> 

No, you risk data loss at the point of opening the backup.

let me clarify.

Your data file is called (for example) "mybooks.gnucash" All timestamps are 
made up (but plausible)

you enter a transaction and save and quit.  GC renames the old 
"mybooks.gnucash" to "mybooks.gnucsh.201901022345.gnucash" and saves the 
changes into a new file on disk called "mybooks.gnucash"

you later open the backup (by mistake) and enter another transaction, save and 
quit again.  GC creates the backup mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.
201901081256.gnucash

GC now has 3 files in the folder:

mybooks.gnucash<-- has the 1st edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash  <-- has the 2nd edit in it
mybooks.gnucash.201901022345.gnucash.201901081256.gnucash <--no edits in it

as you can see, by using a backup, you loose the previous edit session - go a 
few edits down the road and you can be in proper mess with transactions 
seeming to go missing from months ago!

When Gnucash starts, it *normally* opens the file that was open when you shut 
down last time around, so it is fairly easy to get the wrong one by mistake if 
you've been digging in the folder.  On Windows & Linux, you can make GC open 
with a different file by clicking... but not so on mac.  No matter what file 
you 
try to open GC with, it WILL use the previous one. So if you've been looking 
at backups, on a Mac you NEED to File->Open once GC is running.

HTH,
Maf,





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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

OK, thanks. So, it is 'normal' to be using it?

Finbar

On 11/02/2019 10:28, Maf. King wrote:

On Monday, 11 February 2019 09:10:30 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:



that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one
specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However,
I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did,



Finbar,

re-read the GC info about backups & filenames.  GC normally makes a backup each
time you save the data file - and puts the timestamp numbers on the end of the
"working" filename.  It is one of these auto-backups that you opened (actually,
a backup-of-a-backup, hence the 2x digit strings) not anything that you
backed-up/restored external to GC.

HTH,
Maf.




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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Maf. King]

On Monday, 11 February 2019 09:10:30 GMT Finbar Mahon wrote:


> that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one
> specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However,
> I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did, 



Finbar,

re-read the GC info about backups & filenames.  GC normally makes a backup each 
time you save the data file - and puts the timestamp numbers on the end of the 
"working" filename.  It is one of these auto-backups that you opened (actually, 
a backup-of-a-backup, hence the 2x digit strings) not anything that you 
backed-up/restored external to GC.

HTH,
Maf.



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Yes, I appreciate the comment.

In my original post I mentioned that I was testing out an app called 
backblaze, an automatic backup to the the cloud. I asked where and how I 
would find the GNU backups, since the folder where GNU stuff is saved is 
full of files, and would have been backed up by backblaze it its 
entirity.. I got the answer(s) and the link to the manual. It was only 
then that I discovered, after I asked another question about the file 
name, that I was working on another backup. I don't recall making one 
specifically but it was probably part of a 'general' HD backup. However, 
I have no idea how or when I restored it, if I ever did, I have not had 
any reason to restore any files.


As you so rightly pointed out I may have fd up, thanks.

I asked, in effect if the version that is in the backblaze app backup 
folder is a complete backup up to the 8 Feb, or is it just an update of 
the March 5 2018 file? If it is a 'catch-up' then is that ok?


Sorry for any confusion, it is not deliberate.

Thanks again, Finbar

On 10/02/2019 16:23, David T. wrote:

I don’t know. What is backblaze?

Based on the info in the FAQ to which I referred, it appears that on Feb 8, 
2019, you opened a backup copy of “GNU 5 Feb 2018”, which itself was made on 
March 5, 2018, made some changes, and saved from that backup. I don’t know your 
workflow or immediate purpose for doing that; in my situation, if I had opened 
a backup file from 11 months ago and made changes to that file which I then 
saved, I would most likely have f**ked up. YMMV.

David


On Feb 10, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks for that, I probably did, but not (yet) in backblaze, does that matter?

Finbar

On 09/02/2019 12:59, D wrote:

That file name indicates that you opened, and saved, a backup of your main data 
file. You might not have intended to do this.

See 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_my_file_name_getting_longer_and_longer.3F

David

On February 9, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed
the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -


GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<

Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was
created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?

Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.

Finbar



On 08/02/2019 22:56, David Cousens wrote:

Finbar,

The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
files.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
details

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[David T. via gnucash-user]

I don’t know. What is backblaze?

Based on the info in the FAQ to which I referred, it appears that on Feb 8, 
2019, you opened a backup copy of “GNU 5 Feb 2018”, which itself was made on 
March 5, 2018, made some changes, and saved from that backup. I don’t know your 
workflow or immediate purpose for doing that; in my situation, if I had opened 
a backup file from 11 months ago and made changes to that file which I then 
saved, I would most likely have f**ked up. YMMV.

David

> On Feb 10, 2019, at 8:00 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, I probably did, but not (yet) in backblaze, does that matter?
> 
> Finbar
> 
> On 09/02/2019 12:59, D wrote:
>> That file name indicates that you opened, and saved, a backup of your main 
>> data file. You might not have intended to do this.
>> 
>> See 
>> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_my_file_name_getting_longer_and_longer.3F
>> 
>> David
>> 
>> On February 9, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:
>> 
>> Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed
>> the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -
>> 
 GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<
>> Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was
>> created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?
>> 
>> Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.
>> 
>> Finbar
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 08/02/2019 22:56, David Cousens wrote:
>>> Finbar,
>>> 
>>> The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
>>> files.
>>> 
>>> See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
>>> details
>>> 
>>> David Cousens
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Thanks for that, I probably did, but not (yet) in backblaze, does that 
matter?


Finbar

On 09/02/2019 12:59, D wrote:

That file name indicates that you opened, and saved, a backup of your main data 
file. You might not have intended to do this.

See 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_my_file_name_getting_longer_and_longer.3F

David

On February 9, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed
the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -


GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<

Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was
created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?

Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.

Finbar



On 08/02/2019 22:56, David Cousens wrote:

Finbar,

The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
files.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
details

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[D via gnucash-user]

That file name indicates that you opened, and saved, a backup of your main data 
file. You might not have intended to do this.

See 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/FAQ#Q:_Why_is_my_file_name_getting_longer_and_longer.3F

David

On February 9, 2019, at 5:15 PM, Finbar Mahon  wrote:

Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed 
the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -

>>GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<

Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was 
created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?

Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.

Finbar



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> Finbar,
>
> The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
> files.
>
> See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
> details
>
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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Thanks, I read the guide and was a bit confused when backblaze showed 
the most recent save was yesterday at 3.55pm but with two dates/times of -



GNU 5 Feb 2018 .gnucash.20180305171639.gnucash.20190208155508.gnucash<<


Is the second date from the left [20180305171639] the date the file was 
created originally, and the first one [GNU 5 Feb 2018] the file name  ?


Not critical as the backblaze file is the last save before I closed gnucash.

Finbar



On 08/02/2019 22:56, David Cousens wrote:

Finbar,

The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
files.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
details

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Re: [GNC] Backup recovery

[David Cousens]

Finbar,

The directory with your data file will also contain log files  and backup
files.

See https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/basics-backup1.html for
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[GNC] Backup recovery

[Finbar Mahon]

Hi,

I know this has been asked before and I have read some of the the 
threads, however...


I am trying out Backblaze, the continuous backup to the cloud service.

I wanted to check if my files were recoverable and I found -

and more, all dated the day before yesterday, when I did the backup 
trial.


1. Do I need to restore all of these, if not which ones?

2. I found them in my file explorer, is there any other place, by 
default, where the files are?


3. Can somebody point me to a link or links which explain the 'best' way 
of storing GNU files?


Using Windows 10 PC with Version: 3.4 Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30)

Thanks, Finbar

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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Adrien Monteleone]

I fixed your slashes in several places.

Anything else?

Why don’t you get your own wiki account?

Regards,
Adrien

> On Nov 2, 2018, at 9:01 AM, Wm via gnucash-user  
> wrote:
> 
> On 01/11/2018 09:27, Geert Janssens wrote:
>> Op woensdag 31 oktober 2018 17:09:27 CET schreef Wm via gnucash-user:
>>> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
 Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup
>>> 
>>> You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links
>> What's misleading about that link ? I have just read it and as far as I can
>> see it's correct.
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

So because Liinux does not use a backslash, that is erroneous?

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gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> On 01/11/2018 09:27, Geert Janssens wrote:
> > Op woensdag 31 oktober 2018 17:09:27 CET schreef Wm via gnucash-user:
> >> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
> >>> Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup
> >>
> >> You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links
> >
> > What's misleading about that link ? I have just read it and as far as I
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> > see it's correct.
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

that is not a constructive comment.

David C

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> On 01/11/2018 09:19, Colin Law wrote:
> > On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:23, Wm via gnucash-user
> >  wrote:
> >>
> >> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
> >>> Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup
> >>
> >> You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links
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> > Please point out the errors so it can be corrected.
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> Win meta data is wrong
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Re: [GNC] Backup

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On 01/11/2018 16:40, Ronal B Morse wrote:

I don't see any reason to change the Wiki.  People who
already have a backup plan in place know what they need to
do.


So long as no-one is ever allowed to say "I followed your instructions 
and lost my data" I agree.


I am waving and saying, "I have pointed this out, what you do is up to 
you, gnc".  I used to be more co-operative.


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Re: [GNC] Backup

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On 01/11/2018 09:27, Geert Janssens wrote:

Op woensdag 31 oktober 2018 17:09:27 CET schreef Wm via gnucash-user:

On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:

Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup


You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links


What's misleading about that link ? I have just read it and as far as I can
see it's correct.


Linux and Windows: HOME\.gnucash - most of your preferences, adjusted 
report settings, column withs, window positions, etc.

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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Wm]

On 01/11/2018 09:19, Colin Law wrote:

On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:23, Wm via gnucash-user
 wrote:


On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:

Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup


You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links


Please point out the errors so it can be corrected.


Win meta data is wrong



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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Ronal B Morse]

I don't see any reason to change the Wiki.  People who
already have a backup plan in place know what they need to
do. 

RBM

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> Wm,
> 
> What is incorrect or misleading about the Wiki backup
> page? It points out
> the necessity to have an adequate backup strategy in place
> outside the
> inbuilt backups which only protect against file write
> problems. It is really
> outside the scope of GnuCash to specify what that strategy
> should be. It
> will be dependent upon the users particular system  and
> usage as to what
> will constitute an appropriate strategy and it is really a
> system
> manangement issue, not an application issue. There are
> plenty of sites which
> provide appropriate backup strategies that a user could
> use, e.g.
> 
> https://www.backblaze.com/backup-your-computer.html
> 
https://www.howtogeek.com/242428/whats-the-best-way-to-back-up-my-computer/
> https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363057,00.asp
> 
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/1782/thinking-about-pc-backup-strategies
> 
https://www.itworld.com/article/2832755/consumerization/the-best-home-backup-plan-options---part-5--a-complete-backup-strategy.html
> https://support.apple.com/en-au/mac-backup
> https://www.backblaze.com/mac-backup.html
> 
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Cousens]

Wm,

What is incorrect or misleading about the Wiki backup page? It points out
the necessity to have an adequate backup strategy in place outside the
inbuilt backups which only protect against file write problems. It is really
outside the scope of GnuCash to specify what that strategy should be. It
will be dependent upon the users particular system  and usage as to what
will constitute an appropriate strategy and it is really a system
manangement issue, not an application issue. There are plenty of sites which
provide appropriate backup strategies that a user could use, e.g.

https://www.backblaze.com/backup-your-computer.html
https://www.howtogeek.com/242428/whats-the-best-way-to-back-up-my-computer/
https://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2363057,00.asp
https://www.thurrott.com/windows/1782/thinking-about-pc-backup-strategies
https://www.itworld.com/article/2832755/consumerization/the-best-home-backup-plan-options---part-5--a-complete-backup-strategy.html
https://support.apple.com/en-au/mac-backup
https://www.backblaze.com/mac-backup.html

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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Wm, 

I know I am putting myself out here to get royally flamed by you, but...

I call BS. You’re trolling here.

First off, IT’S A WIKI. 

YOU of all people should know what that means: volunteers write/edit that 
content, and OTHER volunteers (read: YOU) can edit those pages to make them 
accurate.

Second off, I’ll note that I recently revamped that particular page, so I know 
pretty much what’s there. If it’s “incorrect and misleading,” I don’t know why. 
As far as I understand (and I admit that this is something that has pretty 
narrow boundaries), the page is mostly up to date; indeed one of the primary 
developers (Geert) has weighed in agreeing with that assessment.

Now, if you have additional insight into the backup process, I suggest you put 
up, and write your corrections on the wiki, rather than intimate with 
mysterious tone that the information is “incorrect and misleading.”

Stop spewing FUD, and make an effort to help, instead.

David
 

> On Nov 1, 2018, at 2:49 PM, Colin Law  wrote:
> 
> On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:23, Wm via gnucash-user
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>> 
>> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
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>> 
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Re: [GNC] Backup

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 31 oktober 2018 17:09:27 CET schreef Wm via gnucash-user:
> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup
> 
> You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links

What's misleading about that link ? I have just read it and as far as I can 
see it's correct.

Geert



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Re: [GNC] Backup

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On Thu, 1 Nov 2018 at 08:23, Wm via gnucash-user
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>
> On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:
> > Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup
>
> You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links

Please point out the errors so it can be corrected.

Colin

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Re: [GNC] Backup

[David Carlson]

Wm,

If you think that link contains incorrect and misleading information, why
don't you contact the developers and help them correct it.

David C



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Re: [GNC] Backup

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On 31/10/2018 01:24, D via gnucash-user wrote:

Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup


You should not point people to incorrect and misleading links
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Re: [GNC] Backup

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On 31/10/2018 00:52, Bob Hammons wrote:

I have been using Gnucash since the first of the year.  The data files are in a 
directory named gnucash and it save a lot of backups. I am using Windows 10. I 
open filer and control c the days files, sometimes as high as 20,  and paste 
them to a thumb drive for backup.  Is this all I need to backup or is there 
other files ?  Can I take the thumb drive to a different computer, to my 
accountant,  with gnucash installed and have the info he needs?


no, you misunderstand what you need to back up entirely.

fact is things have changed a lot recently and it is all a mess, you 
can't even trust the website at the moment :(


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Re: [GNC] Backup

[D via gnucash-user]

Check out https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Backup

HTH,
David

On October 31, 2018, at 6:23 AM, Bob Hammons  wrote:

I have been using Gnucash since the first of the year.  The data files are in a 
directory named gnucash and it save a lot of backups. I am using Windows 10. I 
open filer and control c the days files, sometimes as high as 20,  and paste 
them to a thumb drive for backup.  Is this all I need to backup or is there 
other files ?  Can I take the thumb drive to a different computer, to my 
accountant,  with gnucash installed and have the info he needs?


 thanks Bob
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[GNC] Backup

[Bob Hammons]

I have been using Gnucash since the first of the year.  The data files are in a 
directory named gnucash and it save a lot of backups. I am using Windows 10. I 
open filer and control c the days files, sometimes as high as 20,  and paste 
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other files ?  Can I take the thumb drive to a different computer, to my 
accountant,  with gnucash installed and have the info he needs?


 thanks Bob
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Adrien Monteleone]

Was this the order of operations?

#1 Upgrade/Install new OS version
#2 Restore backup
#3 Install new version of GnuCash

If #2 happened before #3, perhaps the GnuCash install is overwriting the 
restored .gnucash folder with a fresh copy.

Does restoring just that folder again from the backup restore your settings?

If so, then a bug should be filed on the overwrite issue.

If you installed GnuCash first and then restored the .gnucash folder from the 
backup, then for some reason it is not being seen.

But one last thing to check:

Perhaps you have a permissions/ownership issue? Is the .gnucash folder and 
contents owned by your current user number with the proper read-write 
permissions? Be sure to check the owner’s user #, not just the name. So if you 
were user 1000 in Fedora 27, you’d need to be user 1000 in v.28 or else change 
the ownership of .gnucash and contents to your new user number.

Regards,
Adrien

> On May 16, 2018, at 1:52 PM, Nikos Charonitakis  wrote:
> 
> -All home folders (hidden or not) were saved and then then restored...
> -Same behavior even if the new installation is the same gnucash
> version e.g. Fedora 27 to Fedora 27
> 
> 2018-05-16 18:00 GMT+03:00 Nikos Charonitakis :
>> Hi All
>> I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
>> and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
>> expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
>> file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
>> Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
>> for the first time.
>> Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
>> plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
>> home dir.
>> Any ideas how to fix  this?
>> 
>> Note:
>> This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
>> previous gnucash versions.
>> 
>> Nikos
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Nikos Charonitakis]

-All home folders (hidden or not) were saved and then then restored...
-Same behavior even if the new installation is the same gnucash
version e.g. Fedora 27 to Fedora 27

2018-05-16 18:00 GMT+03:00 Nikos Charonitakis :
> Hi All
> I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
> and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
> expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
> file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
> Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
> for the first time.
> Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
> plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
> home dir.
> Any ideas how to fix  this?
>
> Note:
> This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
> previous gnucash versions.
>
> Nikos
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Adrien Monteleone]

Since Firefox stores user prefs in $HOME/.mozilla, I’d be surprised if .gnucash 
didn’t get backed up also, unless the OP used a custom command and .mozilla was 
specifically included and .gnucash wasn’t.

But if this were some sort of backup app and it was set to backup hidden files, 
then .gnucash should be there. Perhaps it didn’t get restored though.

Regards,
Adrien

> On May 16, 2018, at 11:10 AM, C M Reinehr  wrote:
> 
> As a long time Linux user and having used GnuCash for several years I can 
> tell you that your GnuCash settings are in a hidden file in your home 
> directory: ~/.gnucash
> 
> You didn't say how you made your backup so, as David asked, did you back up 
> your hidden files. If, for example, you used `tar` by running the command 
> `tar cvf /home/tmp/backup.tar /home/nikos` then your hidden files should have 
> been copied. However, if you instead ran `tar cvf backup.tar *` from within 
> your home directory, your hidden files would not have been copied.
> 
> HTH
> 
> CMR
> 
> 
> On 05/16/2018 10:50 AM, David Carlson wrote:
>> I am not an expert on Linux, so do not quote me here.  I think that GnuCash
>> puts the settings in a hidden folder under your user directory.  Does your
>> backup program also back up the hidden folders?
>> 
>> David C
>> 
>> On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Nikos Charonitakis 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi All
>>> I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
>>> and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
>>> expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
>>> file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
>>> Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
>>> for the first time.
>>> Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
>>> plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
>>> home dir.
>>> Any ideas how to fix  this?
>>> 
>>> Note:
>>> This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
>>> previous gnucash versions.
>>> 
>>> Nikos
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Geert Janssens]

Op woensdag 16 mei 2018 17:00:19 CEST schreef Nikos Charonitakis:
> Hi All
> I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
> and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
> expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
> file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
> Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
> for the first time.
> Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
> plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
> home dir.
> Any ideas how to fix  this?
> 
> Note:
> This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
> previous gnucash versions.
> 
In addition to the other replies, a number of settings (like the first-run 
flag or the last opened file history) is stored in gsettings (which on linux 
is backed by dconf). Did you also backup and restore your dconf storage ?

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Ronal B Morse]

Fedora version 28 installs Gnucash 3.0.1.something if you use the 
version in the Fedora 28 repository.  Not sure which version is in the 
Fedora 27 repo, but I'll wager it's one of the 2.XX releases.


RBM


On 05/16/2018 09:00 AM, Nikos Charonitakis wrote:

Hi All
I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
for the first time.
Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
home dir.
Any ideas how to fix  this?

Note:
This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
previous gnucash versions.

Nikos
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[C M Reinehr]

As a long time Linux user and having used GnuCash for several years I 
can tell you that your GnuCash settings are in a hidden file in your 
home directory: ~/.gnucash


You didn't say how you made your backup so, as David asked, did you back 
up your hidden files. If, for example, you used `tar` by running the 
command `tar cvf /home/tmp/backup.tar /home/nikos` then your hidden 
files should have been copied. However, if you instead ran `tar cvf 
backup.tar *` from within your home directory, your hidden files would 
not have been copied.


HTH

CMR


On 05/16/2018 10:50 AM, David Carlson wrote:

I am not an expert on Linux, so do not quote me here.  I think that GnuCash
puts the settings in a hidden folder under your user directory.  Does your
backup program also back up the hidden folders?

David C

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Nikos Charonitakis 
wrote:


Hi All
I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
for the first time.
Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
home dir.
Any ideas how to fix  this?

Note:
This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
previous gnucash versions.

Nikos
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Re: [GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[David Carlson]

I am not an expert on Linux, so do not quote me here.  I think that GnuCash
puts the settings in a hidden folder under your user directory.  Does your
backup program also back up the hidden folders?

David C

On Wed, May 16, 2018 at 10:00 AM, Nikos Charonitakis 
wrote:

> Hi All
> I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
> and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
> expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
> file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
> Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
> for the first time.
> Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
> plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
> home dir.
> Any ideas how to fix  this?
>
> Note:
> This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
> previous gnucash versions.
>
> Nikos
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[GNC] Backup and restore GnuCash Settings

[Nikos Charonitakis]

Hi All
I have recently made a back of my home directory on a fedora 27 pc
and then i restored it to a new installation on fedora 28. I was
expecting to open Gnucash and continue working on my latest Gnucash
file and also have all my settings in place but this was not the case.
Running Gnucash on the new installation is like you start application
for the first time.
Firefox for example does not have this behavior, all my setting
plugins, bookmarks,passwords are in their place after restoring my
home dir.
Any ideas how to fix  this?

Note:
This is not specific to GnuCash 3, i have seen the same thing and on
previous gnucash versions.

Nikos
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