Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-08 Thread Derek Atkins
Adrien Monteleone  writes:

> Maybe so!
>
> Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

That would be harder to do and maintain over system upgrades.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Stan Brown




On 2020-07-07 08:34, Art Chimes wrote:
> Although I use "google" as a verb all the time, in fact my default
> search tool is the more privacy-centered DuckDuckGo
> (https://duckduckgo.com). My search for gnucash forums (just the two
> words, no quotes) came up with rather different results. Here are the
> top five

I do the same, just as i use to promise to "xerox" a paper regardless
what kind of machine would do the actual copying.

I google (note the lower-case letter) by using Startpage.com. It returns
the same results as Google, but without the sponsored links and without
the tracking stuff that Google adds to every URL in search results.

-- 
Regards,
Stan Brown
Tehachapi, CA, USA
https://BrownMath.com
https://OakRoadSystems.com
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
It seems my mail app added someone’s name a la ‘via gnucash-user’ before the 
list address. It drives me batty some times.

Thus, I didn’t see it clearly.

Apologies for the noise.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:39 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Both appear on the list archives.
> 
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091938.html
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091939.html

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread D. via gnucash-user
Both appear on the list archives. 

https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091938.html
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-July/091939.html





 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 13:32:08 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

The two messages about your changes to the intro text and stub page, and the 
other where you thought those changes were rolled back. (quoted below)

Neither was sent to the list.

Nor was the message I’m replying to.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:15 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> "those"?
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result
> 
> I see them still. And they might just do the trick.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
>> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
>> 
>> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
>> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
>> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a 
>> simple stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists 
>> page. Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
The two messages about your changes to the intro text and stub page, and the 
other where you thought those changes were rolled back. (quoted below)

Neither was sent to the list.

Nor was the message I’m replying to.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 12:15 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> "those"?
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: Adrien Monteleone 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
> To: gnucash-user 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result
> 
> I see them still. And they might just do the trick.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
>> 
>> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
>> 
>> 
>>  Original Message 
>> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
>> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
>> 
>> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
>> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
>> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a 
>> simple stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists 
>> page. Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread D. via gnucash-user
"those"?


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:53:18 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

I see them still. And they might just do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
> 
> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
> stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
> Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I see them still. And they might just do the trick.

Regards,
Adrien

p.s. -you forgot to send those to the list?

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 11:45 AM, D.  wrote:
> 
> Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
> Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
> 
> I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
> introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
> explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
> stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
> Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread D. via gnucash-user
Looks like I was slow on the uptake, and my changes have been rolled back. 


 Original Message 
From: "D. via gnucash-user" 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 12:38:09 EDT 2020
To: Adrien Monteleone 
Cc: David Reiser via gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search. 


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 11:14:46 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread D. via gnucash-user
I have modified the Mailing lists page (which opens ironically with the 
introductory phrase "The Official Forum") to include a brief sentence 
explicitly juxtaposing mailing lists from forums, with a new link to a simple 
stub page at "GnuCash Forum" that refers back to the mailing lists page. 
Perhaps this will short circuit the "gnucash forum" Google search. 


 Original Message 
From: Adrien Monteleone 
Sent: Tue Jul 07 11:14:46 EDT 2020
To: gnucash-user 
Subject: Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I suppose I’ll test it out soon enough and we’ll find out!

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:26 AM, David Reiser  wrote:
> 
> And to make matters more confusing, those two options aren’t exclusive. Both 
> are checked in my Edit>Attachments pop-out. I think  I viewed the 
> “windows-friendly” as preventing resource forks  in the old days and possibly 
> managing file name character sets at some point since then.
> 
> The annoying part of the “always at the end” doesn’t necessarily preclude 
> such an attachment from still being officially an inline inclusion, just that 
> it’s placed at the end.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Art Chimes
For What It's Worth Dept:

Although I use "google" as a verb all the time, in fact my default
search tool is the more privacy-centered DuckDuckGo
(https://duckduckgo.com). My search for gnucash forums (just the two
words, no quotes) came up with rather different results. Here are the
top five

https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
https://gnucash.org
https://www.accountantforums.com/threads/gnucash.38936/
https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
https://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837

I scrolled down several screens and encountered more links to
gnucash.org and other reasonably legit sites, but no hits at all on
nabble, though it possibly showed up farther down the list.

Art in Arlington, Virginia
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread David Reiser via gnucash-user
And to make matters more confusing, those two options aren’t exclusive. Both 
are checked in my Edit>Attachments pop-out. I think  I viewed the 
“windows-friendly” as preventing resource forks  in the old days and possibly 
managing file name character sets at some point since then.

The annoying part of the “always at the end” doesn’t necessarily preclude such 
an attachment from still being officially an inline inclusion, just that it’s 
placed at the end.
--
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> On Jul 7, 2020, at 11:11 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Sure enough, it seems the last update set me to ‘Always Send Windows-Friendly 
> Attachments’ instead of ‘Always Insert Attachments at End of Message’. (I 
> don’t recall where the preference was originally when I set it years ago. It 
> is now in Edit > Attachments instead of in Mail > Preferences where Apple’s 
> own guidelines say it should go, but I guess they get to violate their own 
> rules.)
> 
> This is an example of good case for not setting a new default preference on a 
> software update!
> 
> Hope anyone using Mail.app with the same problem finds this...
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:01 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
>> end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
>> mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first 
>> time.
>> 
>> But here is the URL: 
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
>> 
>> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic 
>> with that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.
> 
> 

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Maybe so!

Maybe retitle the Mailman page that way?

Either or both might work eventually. (and you can ask various engines to 
re-index though they usually do so fairly often anyway)

Possibly set the excerpt text of the other official hits to include ‘forum’ 
somewhere.

Or just let it ride...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:06 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D
> 
> -derek


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Sure enough, it seems the last update set me to ‘Always Send Windows-Friendly 
Attachments’ instead of ‘Always Insert Attachments at End of Message’. (I don’t 
recall where the preference was originally when I set it years ago. It is now 
in Edit > Attachments instead of in Mail > Preferences where Apple’s own 
guidelines say it should go, but I guess they get to violate their own rules.)

This is an example of good case for not setting a new default preference on a 
software update!

Hope anyone using Mail.app with the same problem finds this...

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 10:01 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
> end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
> mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first time.
> 
> But here is the URL: 
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
> 
> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic with 
> that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Derek Atkins
We could make a Wiki page with the title "GnuCash Forum"  :-D

-derek

On Tue, July 7, 2020 11:01 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at
> the end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I
> confess, mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be
> the first time.
>
> But here is the URL:
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html
>
> Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic
> with that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
>
>> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:56 AM, Derek Atkins 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably
>> an
>> HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?
>>
>>
>> URL?
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Nope, it was an attachment. (or supposed to be) I made sure to put it at the 
end, and my mail.app is set to ‘attach’ rather than ‘inline’. I confess, 
mail.app could have done what it wanted though. It wouldn’t be the first time.

But here is the URL: 
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2015-January/057812.html

Note my followup message that I realized this is a hit from a list topic with 
that term, so there isn’t likely anything to be done about it.

Regards,
Adrien


> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:56 AM, Derek Atkins  wrote:
> 
> Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably an
> HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?
> 
> 
> URL?


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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Derek Atkins
Adrien,

On Tue, July 7, 2020 10:34 am, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
[snip]

> 3 - 5 (see attachment)

Any attachment you may have sent was eaten by the list; it was probably an
HTML-embedded image and not an actual "attachment"?

> #4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title
> apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to
> turn people away from clicking.

URL?

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Crud.

I realize now the ‘unofficial’ link is to an old (2015) list topic using that 
link title. That can’t easily be changed and maybe should not be.

The only way out then is trying to rank higher with more relevant page content. 
(like ‘Official GnuCash Forum’ maybe, I don’t know)

Regards,
Adrien

> On Jul 7, 2020 w28d189, at 9:34 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> #4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title 
> apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to 
> turn people away from clicking.
> 
> Some creative page titling, meta, and in-page text might help here, though 
> there is no guarantee. Of course, some things need to be corrected like the 
> ‘unofficial’ text. That has to go.

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Adrien Monteleone
I think David Whiting is on the right track.

People aren’t likely to search for ‘user list gnucash’ or anything ‘user list’.

They’ll search for ‘gnucash forum’, and then they’ll get Nabble results at the 
top. (and yes, ≈99.9% of people do not read past the first few results, 
much less the next page - Google makes billions off this fact, with the SEO 
industry in tow)

I did my own searches, here are the results:

Google (99%+ of search market)
--
1 & 2 same as David’s results
3 - 5 (see attachment)
#4 - THIS is a problem. That can be fixed by our webmaster. The page title 
apparently is ‘UNOFFICIAL GnuCash Forum’. (emphasis mine) That is going to turn 
people away from clicking.

Bing

1. gnucash.org
2. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
3 - 4 (other forums discussing GnuCash)
5. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837 (topic contains both the list 
*and* nabble references, unfortunately)

Yahoo
-
*exactly* the same as Bing!?

DuckDuckGo
--
1. gnucash.org
2. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
3. lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
4+ then same as Bing for a few, then more of their own results.

StartPage
-
1. wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Getting_Help
2. wiki.gnucash.org/
3. gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/ (text says: “GnuCash forum. ...”)
4. ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1750837 (same thread as Bing)

Some creative page titling, meta, and in-page text might help here, though 
there is no guarantee. Of course, some things need to be corrected like the 
‘unofficial’ text. That has to go.


Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread david whiting
It they are googling "gnucash forum" as noted in the other thread.

David


On Tue, 7 Jul 2020, 15:14 Frank H. Ellenberger, <
frank.h.ellenber...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> Am 07.07.20 um 15:36 schrieb Derek Atkins:
> > This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> > https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> > that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> > first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.
>
> If I google "user list gnucash" (the result depends on the LANGUAGE
> preference list in your browser settings, your google history, ...) I get:
>
> 1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
> 2. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
> 3. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo
>
> 4. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html
> 5. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-user-list-td4695094.html
>
> Either some users are ignoring the first results or they get the result
> in a different order.
>
> Regards
> Frank
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Re: [GNC] Gnucash - user: Google result

2020-07-07 Thread Frank H. Ellenberger
Hi,

Am 07.07.20 um 15:36 schrieb Derek Atkins:
> This has *me* confused.  If you subscribe via any link at
> https://lists.gnucash.org/ then I do not see how you could get an email
> that would link to Nabble.  It sounds like you went in via Nabble the
> first time and tried to "subscribe" via Nabble.

If I google "user list gnucash" (the result depends on the LANGUAGE
preference list in your browser settings, your google history, ...) I get:

1. https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists
2. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user
3. https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo

4. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html
5. http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-user-list-td4695094.html

Either some users are ignoring the first results or they get the result
in a different order.

Regards
Frank
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