Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

I finally understand that a transaction must occur during the period to be 
included.

However, the unrealized gain is included for stock transactions based in the 
current period. The Account Tree is not a report, so it’s unclear how one might 
change the evaluation. But my Total(period) for the account with stock 
transactions this year absolutely is showing today’s value of any stock 
transaction occurring during the period. (Where “today’s value” means the value 
of the stock account as determined by the latest entry in the price database 
for that stock.)

My Total(period) for the brokerage account containing (only) stock transactions 
from this year is showing me the current, appreciated value of those 
transactions based on entries in the price database that have been added since 
the purchase transactions.
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> On Jan 8, 2021, at 5:10 PM, D.  wrote:
> 
> The Total(Period) column includes the value of actual transactions during the 
> period. Changes in valuation aren't counted in this value because they are 
> unrealized. You are seeing a number in the one account precisely because you 
> rolled the money over from one account to another. That was an actual 
> transaction.
> 
> 
>  Original Message 
> From: David Carlson 
> Sent: Fri Jan 08 14:52:22 EST 2021
> To: David Reiser 
> Cc: Gnucash Users 
> Subject: Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for 
> brokerage accounts?
> 
> Parenthetically, this year, having business holidays around calendar
> year-end, you need to make sure that you understand how Gnucash picks
> values out of the price database when designing your reports.
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
> 
>> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
>> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
>> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>> 
>> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for
>> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment
>> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists
>> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual
>> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be
>> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in
>> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account
>> (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent
>> accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit
>> the same totalling behavior?
>> 
>> --
>> Dave Reiser
>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[D. via gnucash-user]

The Total(Period) column includes the value of actual transactions during the 
period. Changes in valuation aren't counted in this value because they are 
unrealized. You are seeing a number in the one account precisely because you 
rolled the money over from one account to another. That was an actual 
transaction. 


 Original Message 
From: David Carlson 
Sent: Fri Jan 08 14:52:22 EST 2021
To: David Reiser 
Cc: Gnucash Users 
Subject: Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for 
brokerage accounts?

Parenthetically, this year, having business holidays around calendar
year-end, you need to make sure that you understand how Gnucash picks
values out of the price database when designing your reports.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>
> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for
> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment
> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists
> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual
> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be
> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in
> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account
> (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent
> accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit
> the same totalling behavior?
>
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> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
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>
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Carlson]

Going back to the question in the title of this thread, the Total(period)
indicates the sum of all transactions for that account during the default
period, which, I think, is the current year.  Check your preferences on
that.  So the number for the brokerage account period would be the sum of
dollars in and out, and for each security account would be the sum of
shares in and out as you see by the denominations next to the values.  This
column makes more sense in the income and expense accounts than in asset or
liability accounts.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 2:07 PM David Carlson 
wrote:

> What, exactly do you mean by 'real' total?
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:59 PM David Reiser  wrote:
>
>> The brokerage parent is in dollars. The individual fund accounts under it
>> are in shares. But it’s the same setup for both the account that shows a
>> ‘real’ total and those that show 0.00.
>> --
>> Dave Reiser
>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:55 PM, David Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> For each account, is ti's value in US Dollars or is it in shares that
>> have some US Dollar value per share??
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:51 PM David Reiser  wrote:
>>
>>> All security values are updated on a roughly daily basis. And since all
>>> of my investments and other accounts are linked to USD, I still don’t see
>>> any difference between the account that reports a ‘real’ total vs. the
>>> accounts that report 0.00.
>>> --
>>> Dave Reiser
>>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:47 PM, David Carlson 
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> David,
>>>
>>> The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that
>>> number only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued
>>> separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately
>>> make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those
>>> shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net
>>> value of all the securities in each brokerage account
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
>>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>>
 I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
 contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
 page lists $0.00 as that total.

 I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money
 for the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the
 reinvestment transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the
 total(period) lists the dollar-value change of that account, including the
 increase in mutual fund value since the investment transactions took place.
 It would really be nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the
 total value change in the current accounting period. What’s different about
 the new account (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage
 parent accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to
 exhibit the same totalling behavior?

 --
 Dave Reiser
 dbrei...@icloud.com





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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Carlson]

What, exactly do you mean by 'real' total?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:59 PM David Reiser  wrote:

> The brokerage parent is in dollars. The individual fund accounts under it
> are in shares. But it’s the same setup for both the account that shows a
> ‘real’ total and those that show 0.00.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:55 PM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
> For each account, is ti's value in US Dollars or is it in shares that have
> some US Dollar value per share??
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:51 PM David Reiser  wrote:
>
>> All security values are updated on a roughly daily basis. And since all
>> of my investments and other accounts are linked to USD, I still don’t see
>> any difference between the account that reports a ‘real’ total vs. the
>> accounts that report 0.00.
>> --
>> Dave Reiser
>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:47 PM, David Carlson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> David,
>>
>> The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that number
>> only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued
>> separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately
>> make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those
>> shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net
>> value of all the securities in each brokerage account
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
>> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>>
>>> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
>>> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
>>> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>>>
>>> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money
>>> for the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the
>>> reinvestment transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the
>>> total(period) lists the dollar-value change of that account, including the
>>> increase in mutual fund value since the investment transactions took place.
>>> It would really be nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the
>>> total value change in the current accounting period. What’s different about
>>> the new account (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage
>>> parent accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to
>>> exhibit the same totalling behavior?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave Reiser
>>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

The brokerage parent is in dollars. The individual fund accounts under it are 
in shares. But it’s the same setup for both the account that shows a ‘real’ 
total and those that show 0.00.
--
Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:55 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> For each account, is ti's value in US Dollars or is it in shares that have 
> some US Dollar value per share??
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:51 PM David Reiser  > wrote:
> All security values are updated on a roughly daily basis. And since all of my 
> investments and other accounts are linked to USD, I still don’t see any 
> difference between the account that reports a ‘real’ total vs. the accounts 
> that report 0.00.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:47 PM, David Carlson > > wrote:
>> 
>> David,
>> 
>> The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that number 
>> only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued 
>> separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately 
>> make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those 
>> shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net 
>> value of all the securities in each brokerage account
>> 
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user 
>> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
>> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA 
>> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree 
>> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>> 
>> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for 
>> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment 
>> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists 
>> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual 
>> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be 
>> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in 
>> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account (seems 
>> to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent accounts)? Should 
>> I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit the same totalling 
>> behavior?
>> 
>> --
>> Dave Reiser
>> dbrei...@icloud.com 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Carlson]

For each account, is ti's value in US Dollars or is it in shares that have
some US Dollar value per share??

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 1:51 PM David Reiser  wrote:

> All security values are updated on a roughly daily basis. And since all of
> my investments and other accounts are linked to USD, I still don’t see any
> difference between the account that reports a ‘real’ total vs. the accounts
> that report 0.00.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:47 PM, David Carlson 
> wrote:
>
> David,
>
> The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that number
> only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued
> separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately
> make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those
> shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net
> value of all the securities in each brokerage account
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
> gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:
>
>> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
>> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
>> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>>
>> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for
>> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment
>> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists
>> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual
>> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be
>> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in
>> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account
>> (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent
>> accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit
>> the same totalling behavior?
>>
>> --
>> Dave Reiser
>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Carlson]

Parenthetically, this year, having business holidays around calendar
year-end, you need to make sure that you understand how Gnucash picks
values out of the price database when designing your reports.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>
> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for
> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment
> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists
> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual
> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be
> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in
> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account
> (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent
> accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit
> the same totalling behavior?
>
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

All security values are updated on a roughly daily basis. And since all of my 
investments and other accounts are linked to USD, I still don’t see any 
difference between the account that reports a ‘real’ total vs. the accounts 
that report 0.00.
--
Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Jan 8, 2021, at 2:47 PM, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> David,
> 
> The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that number 
> only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued 
> separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately 
> make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those 
> shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net 
> value of all the securities in each brokerage account
> 
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user 
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA 
> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree page 
> lists $0.00 as that total.
> 
> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for the 
> conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment 
> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists 
> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual 
> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be 
> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in 
> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account (seems 
> to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent accounts)? Should 
> I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit the same totalling 
> behavior?
> 
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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Re: [GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Carlson]

David,

The total value of brokerage accounts is usually zero because that number
only represents the cash in the account.  The securities are valued
separately, usually in their share amounts.  You would need to separately
make sure that GnuCash has been updated with the value of each of those
shares in your preferred currency in order to create a report with the net
value of all the securities in each brokerage account

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 12:55 PM David Reiser via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA
> contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree
> page lists $0.00 as that total.
>
> I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for
> the conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment
> transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists
> the dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual
> fund value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be
> nice if all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in
> the current accounting period. What’s different about the new account
> (seems to be set up identically to all the other brokerage parent
> accounts)? Should I be able to get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit
> the same totalling behavior?
>
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[GNC] How is Total(period) in Account Tree intended to work for brokerage accounts?

[David Reiser via gnucash-user]

I have a number of brokerage-like accounts (cursed with multiple TIAA 
contracts…). In most cases, the Total(period) column in the account tree page 
lists $0.00 as that total.

I did a roth conversion at the end of 2020 that resulted in the money for the 
conversion being moved to the new account in 2020, but the reinvestment 
transactions took place in 2021. For that account, the total(period) lists the 
dollar-value change of that account, including the increase in mutual fund 
value since the investment transactions took place. It would really be nice if 
all the brokerage account accounts showed the total value change in the current 
accounting period. What’s different about the new account (seems to be set up 
identically to all the other brokerage parent accounts)? Should I be able to 
get the other brokerage accounts to exhibit the same totalling behavior?

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Dave Reiser
dbrei...@icloud.com





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