Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
JFTR, the OP was using Mysql, I am using Postgresql. I use many other Postgresql tools and have code (mine and third-party) that accesses my databases (including the Gnucash ones) and have never had anything make a peep about keyrings, only Gnucash. Google Chrome, although it has nothing to do with Postgresql, also generates the same kind of keyring prompts (but I don't use it so I don't care). I agree there is probably something messed up on my system regarding the keyring and login, but I don't see that Postgresql (and analogously Mysql) themselves care. Which leaves Gnucash and libdbi as the prime suspects. Since, to me, the annoyance is less than the time it would probably take to research/fix it, I will wait until I serendipitously encounter some post from someone with the same problem who has fixed it. Or until I upgrade someday and the problem magically disappears. :-) On 4/3/19 2:28 AM, Colin Law wrote: I think Adrien is correct, mysql needs access to the keyring in order to check user access permissions, though if you logon to the PC manually, entering your password, then I would not have expected it to have to ask again, and it certainly should not happen each time you run gnucash. I think it is most likely an issue with your system and mysql though, not a GnuCash issue. Colin On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 23:08, Stuart McGraw wrote: It opens without the popup. Which I suppose implies that the keyring checking is occurring in gnucash code conditionally for database access, or in whatever api gnucash uses for database access (libdbi?), or possibly in database-specific api libdbi uses (eg libpq(?) for Postgresql). I don't think it's the latter since I've not noticed anything about it in the libpq docs but I could have easily missed something. On 4/2/19 3:09 PM, Colin Law wrote: If, as an experiment, you start a new accounts file and save it as xml, then shutdown and restart gnucash, which should then open the xml file, do you get the popup? Colin On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 18:21, Stuart McGraw wrote: No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). As for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime (so thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel button is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad as those caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one such app, not sure about MySQL) Regards, Adrien On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
I think Adrien is correct, mysql needs access to the keyring in order to check user access permissions, though if you logon to the PC manually, entering your password, then I would not have expected it to have to ask again, and it certainly should not happen each time you run gnucash. I think it is most likely an issue with your system and mysql though, not a GnuCash issue. Colin On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 23:08, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > It opens without the popup. Which I suppose implies that the keyring > checking is occurring in gnucash code conditionally for database access, or > in whatever api gnucash uses for database access (libdbi?), or possibly in > database-specific api libdbi uses (eg libpq(?) for Postgresql). I don't > think it's the latter since I've not noticed anything about it in the libpq > docs but I could have easily missed something. > > On 4/2/19 3:09 PM, Colin Law wrote: > > If, as an experiment, you start a new accounts file and save it as > > xml, then shutdown and restart gnucash, which should then open the xml > > file, do you get the popup? > > > > Colin > > > > On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 18:21, Stuart McGraw wrote: > >> > >> No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the > >> keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). > >> As for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime > >> (so thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel > >> button is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad > >> as those caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) > >> > >>> There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One > >>> involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You > >>> can also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to > >>> non-protected. (so it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store > >>> nothing in it.) Some apps also let you tell them to ignore the keyring > >>> check entirely. (Chrome is one such app, not sure about MySQL) > >>> > >>> Regards, > >>> Adrien > >>> > On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > > I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a > password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but > since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never > bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
It opens without the popup. Which I suppose implies that the keyring checking is occurring in gnucash code conditionally for database access, or in whatever api gnucash uses for database access (libdbi?), or possibly in database-specific api libdbi uses (eg libpq(?) for Postgresql). I don't think it's the latter since I've not noticed anything about it in the libpq docs but I could have easily missed something. On 4/2/19 3:09 PM, Colin Law wrote: If, as an experiment, you start a new accounts file and save it as xml, then shutdown and restart gnucash, which should then open the xml file, do you get the popup? Colin On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 18:21, Stuart McGraw wrote: No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). As for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime (so thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel button is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad as those caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one such app, not sure about MySQL) Regards, Adrien On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
If, as an experiment, you start a new accounts file and save it as xml, then shutdown and restart gnucash, which should then open the xml file, do you get the popup? Colin On Tue, 2 Apr 2019 at 18:21, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the > keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). As > for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime (so > thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel button > is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad as those > caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) > > > There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One > > involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can > > also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so > > it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps > > also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one > > such app, not sure about MySQL) > > > > Regards, > > Adrien > > > >> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > >> > >> > >> I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a > >> password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but > >> since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never > >> bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) > >> > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see > https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
While GnuCash is the app you are trying to run, it is calling MySQL (which is its own app) with the user:password as an argument. I suspect (though I could be wrong) that it is MySQL trying to check that password in the keychain that is the trigger. Something to consider. Good luck figuring it out and if you do, please report back here for posterity or add the info to the wiki. Regards, Adrien > On Apr 2, 2019, at 12:19 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the > keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). As > for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime (so > thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel button > is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad as those > caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) > >> There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One >> involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can >> also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so >> it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps >> also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one >> such app, not sure about MySQL) >> Regards, >> Adrien >>> On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: >>> >>> >>> I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a >>> password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but >>> since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered >>> to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) >>> > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
No auto-login here and I think the app that needs an option to ignore the keyring check entirely is Gnucash (not the database which isn't an app). As for creating a different default keyring, I'll look into that sometime (so thanks for the direction to look!) but right now, clicking the Cancel button is the easiest way out. As annoyances go it is nowhere near as bad as those caused by Gnome/GTK but that's a subject for a different list. :-) There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one such app, not sure about MySQL) Regards, Adrien On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
There are multiple reasons for that pop-up and a solution for each. One involves disabling automatic login to the desktop. (if you use it) You can also create a different ‘default’ keyring and set it to non-protected. (so it is visible to anyone—not wise unless you store nothing in it.) Some apps also let you tell them to ignore the keyring check entirely. (Chrome is one such app, not sure about MySQL) Regards, Adrien > On Mar 31, 2019, at 8:23 PM, Stuart McGraw wrote: > > > I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a > password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but > since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered > to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
On 3/30/19 1:40 PM, taf wrote: Hello, I've just started using Gnucash. In the past I've used a basic bookkeeping package, but it's no longer available. I'm trying to keep two sets of books... one for personal accounting and one for a corporation. I'm running Version 3.4 Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30) on Windows 7; I've set up the books, saving the books into two different MySql data bases with separate users and passwords. So far so good. I can switch between sets of books by selecting File->Open...-> and then in the Open dialog, selecting MySql data format and specifying database, userid, and password. This seems to be a bit klunky... am I missing something fundamental? Ideally I'd like to have two desktop shortcuts, one to use each set of books, specifying at least format, database and user within the shortcut. So... any help? Running 'gnucash --help' as a command (and likely the same info is in the help somewhere) show that the gnucash command takes an argument that is the the datafile to open. It seems 'datafile' can also be a url for a database connection. Thus I have two desktop shortcuts that run respectively the commands: gnucash postgres://stuart:x@localhost/gc-home gnucash postgres://stuart:x@localhost/gc-business where "stuart" is the *database* (not OS) user account, "x" the database password "gc-home" and "gc-business" the names of the databases for each set of books. I presume something similar will work for mysql. I do have a long persisting problem where I am asked every time for a password for my keyring (something I've never used, set up, or want) but since clicking "Cancel" results in gnucash opening fine I've never bothered to try to fix it. (I'm running gnucash on Ubuntu linux.) It is a big plus for me to have both sets of books available from the same OS user account. As others point out, settings etc will be the same for both sets of books. For me, that is an advantage. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
The GnuCash data files (XML) will be in the home directory of the logged in user of the OS who created the data file and in whatever location they created them within the users home directory. The location of MySQL files will be where MySQL stores its database files on your OS, E.g. C:/ProgramData/MySQL/MySQL Server 5.7\Data or similar on WIndows or in /var/lib/mysql on most Linux systems (can be overridden in the mysql configuration fiile). GnuCash also stores user preference data and user configuration data as well as stored reports, checks etc in a separate location within the appropriate user's home directory as described in https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations for Linux, Windows and MacOSX. Use of separate login accounts will allow you to have separate user preferences, stored reports etc for each user. A single user account for both sets of books will use the same user preferences etc for both sets of books. David Cousens - David Cousens -- Sent from: http://gnucash.1415818.n4.nabble.com/GnuCash-User-f1415819.html ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Keeping two sets of books
On 3/30/19 3:40 PM, taf wrote: > Hello, > > I've just started using Gnucash. In the past I've used a basic > bookkeeping package, but it's no longer available. I'm trying to keep > two sets of books... one for personal accounting and one for a > corporation. I'm running Version 3.4 Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30) on > Windows 7; I've set up the books, saving the books into two different > MySql data bases with separate users and passwords. So far so good. I > can switch between sets of books by selecting > > File->Open...-> > > and then in the Open dialog, selecting MySql data format and specifying > database, userid, and password. This seems to be a bit klunky... am I > missing something fundamental? > > Ideally I'd like to have two desktop shortcuts, one to use each set of > books, specifying at least format, database and user within the shortcut. > > So... any help? I have a similar issue. I happen to run Linux, but I imagine the same would work on a machine running Windows. 1.) Establish one login account for your personal use. E.g., the one you have now. 2.) Establish a second account for the corporation's books. 3.) I assume this is now all done for your personal book. 4.) Setup a new Gnucash account for the corporation. Perhaps you can skip that and just move the corporation data from from where it is to the right directories on the corporation's account. In Linux, they will be in your directory in GnuCash and .gnucash. I do not know where they would be in Windows. -- .~. Jean-David Beyer /V\ PGP-Key:166D840A 0C610C8B /( )\ Shrewsbury, New Jersey ^^-^^ 17:50:01 up 1 day, 7:42, 2 users, load average: 4.21, 4.29, 4.30 ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
[GNC] Keeping two sets of books
Hello, I've just started using Gnucash. In the past I've used a basic bookkeeping package, but it's no longer available. I'm trying to keep two sets of books... one for personal accounting and one for a corporation. I'm running Version 3.4 Build ID: 3.4+ (2018-12-30) on Windows 7; I've set up the books, saving the books into two different MySql data bases with separate users and passwords. So far so good. I can switch between sets of books by selecting File->Open...-> and then in the Open dialog, selecting MySql data format and specifying database, userid, and password. This seems to be a bit klunky... am I missing something fundamental? Ideally I'd like to have two desktop shortcuts, one to use each set of books, specifying at least format, database and user within the shortcut. So... any help? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user If you are using Nabble or Gmane, please see https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists for more information. - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
