Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user  writes:

> okay, I am just not understanding.
>
> In the reconcile window
>
> 1) I presume "Statement Date" is my statement's closing
>date?

Correct.

> 1) the statement date matches my bank statement

Good.

> 2) starting balance is 0 (it is not)

I assume this is your first time reconciling in GnuCash?  If so, that is
correct.  In general you can safely ignore the starting balance -- if
there is a difference it means something "earlier" is not properly
reconciled so you will need to click off "extra" stuff.

> 3) Ending Balance matches my statement

Good.  If it doesn't you need to enter in the correct ending balance
from your statement.

> 4) there is a -$700 reconcile Balance.

I presume there is a $700 opening balance in the account?  Just
reconcile that the first time, too.

> I just do not understand

Reconciliation is always "from the beginning of time through the end
date".  This means that the first time you reconcile an account you need
to also include the opening balance transaction in the reconcile
process.

Going forward you wont have to do that, because the starting balance
*should* match your account statement.

Hope this helps!

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[David Cousens]

Todd

The Statement date is the closing date on your statement. If the statement
date does not match then you set it to the closing date on your statement.

I have never changed the reconcile status to c or anything else (unless I
needed to manually unreconcile a statement period which I don't ever
remember having to do) manually on any transactions. There may be a case for
doing this if you use a check book perhaps.

The starting balance should be the closing balance of the last
reconciliation. If it is 0 the GnuCash does not recognize that there has
been any previous reconciliation. In this case if the account setup in
GnuCash matches a pre-existing bank account, that account will not have had
a zero balance when you started using GnuCash. The first transaction to
reconcile will be the transaction setup to set the opening balance in the
account when you created it (or set it manually after creation of the
account in GnuCash). That opening balance for the account in GnuCash should
have been set to the closing balance of the statement of the period before
the first period you started using Gnucash. This would appear to be the step
you are missing when setting up Gnucash for an existing account.

You then enter the closing balance from your current statement as the ending
balance for the reconciliation.

If it is a credit card and interest charges for the period have not been
entered into GnuCash you can enter these by pressing the ENter Interest
Charges button . Ignore if the interest charges are already entered  or
there are none.

Press OK.  The next window will show payments into the account on the LHS
and withdrawals from the account on the RHS. GnuCash will attempt to select
those transactions which fall within the statement period set in the
previous setup window and they will appear with the checkboxes checked. By
default the transactions are usually arranged in date order of the entries.

Check 1.  Any unchecked entries at the top of either window pane are a
likely problem. They will generally indicate unreconciled transactions
earlier in your GnuCash records than the period currently being reconciled.
They need to be fixed ( identify whether they are duplicates or wrong
amounts entered etc) because if not, your reconciliation up to the start of
the current period is not correct. After fixing them you will need to at
least check that your reconciliation up to the start of the current period
is now correct. That may mean reconciling again completely from the start
although GnuCash generally appears to reflect any changes you make in the
accounts directly into the reconciliation window as they happen.

Check 2.  In the summary panel at the bottom of the window, the starting
balance should be the starting balance of the statement, the closing balance
should equal the closing balance  of the statement and if you are lucky (
i.e. no errors in the current period), the reconciled balance will equal the
closing balance).

Check 3 If the reconciled and closing balances match and the difference is
zero check that all the payments into the account and withdrawals from the
account for the date range in the current period are checked. If this is the
case then your reconciliation is probably complete. 

Check 4 If there are any unchecked payments or withdrawals with dates in the
current statement period, then you have an error - find out why and fix it
then repeat the reconciliation from the startuntil all of the above are
correct.

Check 5 If any checked entry in either pane falls outside the date range of
the current statement, this is an error either in the date of the
transaction. Find out why and fix it - then repeat the reconciliation from
the start

At this point you can press the finish button and your account should
reconcile and the newly reconciled entries will have a "y" in the reconcile
status column.

I personally do not use the above. I uncheck all entries (Ctrl-A then use
the Unreconcile Selection button) then check each entry off individually as
I match it against the corresponding entries in the statement, but I'm an
accountant and therefore pedantic. 

David Cousens 





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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Adrien Monteleone]

You have to fix the starting balance first.

If this is your first reconcile of a pre-existing account, read the docs as 
this is a little different.

More than likely, you can just reconcile starting from zero and include your 
Opening Balance transaction which should get you to the proper ending balance. 
(note, the Opening Balance transaction in this case *should* be equal to the 
Starting Balance from your first statement that you are reconciling)

Regards,
Adrien

> On May 10, 2019, at 5:04 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user 
>  wrote:
> 
> On 4/26/19 3:19 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> I have been looking over the "Reconcile" on on eof m yu
>> credit card account.  I just don understand what I am seeing.
>> 1) do I put a "c" in the opening balance as I
>> I has checked it?
>> 2) I have put "C" in all the charges on my bank statement.
>> 3) I press the Reconcile button and I put in the closing data.
>> It puts a weird entry into the the ledger that I don't understand
>> and puts it on one of those weird  "you goofed" accounts.  And
>> I get no "y"'s.
>> I look at the doc and I have no clue what is going on.
>> https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=help
>> https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=guide
>> :'(
>> -T
> 
> okay, I am just not understanding.
> 
> In the reconcile window
> 
> 1) I presume "Statement Date" is my statement's closing
>   date?
> 
> 1) the statement date matches my bank statement
> 
> 2) starting balance is 0 (it is not)
> 
> 3) Ending Balance matches my statement
> 
> 4) there is a -$700 reconcile Balance.
> 
> I just do not understand
> 


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/26/19 3:19 PM, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user wrote:

Hi All,

I have been looking over the "Reconcile" on on eof m yu
credit card account.  I just don understand what I am seeing.

1) do I put a "c" in the opening balance as I
I has checked it?

2) I have put "C" in all the charges on my bank statement.

3) I press the Reconcile button and I put in the closing data.

It puts a weird entry into the the ledger that I don't understand
and puts it on one of those weird  "you goofed" accounts.  And
I get no "y"'s.

I look at the doc and I have no clue what is going on.
     https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=help
     https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=guide

:'(

-T


okay, I am just not understanding.

In the reconcile window

1) I presume "Statement Date" is my statement's closing
   date?

1) the statement date matches my bank statement

2) starting balance is 0 (it is not)

3) Ending Balance matches my statement

4) there is a -$700 reconcile Balance.

I just do not understand


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/27/19 2:29 AM, Liz wrote:

We all learn in different combinations of three main ways
Hearing, Doing and Seeing
It doesn't matter how.
Most importantly
Some people just don't learn from lectures
some just don't learn from reading a book

some only learn by doing and asking questions.
Sometimes they have the skills to research the answers to questions
Sometimes they don't have the skills to know what question to ask.


Fascinating analysis!  Charitable too.


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/27/19 3:18 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:

On 27 Apr 2019, at 10:29, Liz  wrote:

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 14:16:25 +0530
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:


ToddAndMango, you might try reading the documentation.


I'm going to put my education hat on here

We all learn in different combinations of three main ways
Hearing, Doing and Seeing
It doesn't matter how.
Most importantly
Some people just don't learn from lectures
some just don't learn from reading a book

some only learn by doing and asking questions.
Sometimes they have the skills to research the answers to questions
Sometimes they don't have the skills to know what question to ask.

For the human identified as ToddAndMargo

I think we'd understand more if you could send some screenshots and a
bit more detail as you ask questions.

Liz
The Moderator


Couldn’t agree more, Liz, and especially the bit about knowing what question to 
ask.

In my past life as a GP facing a set of symptoms and signs that I couldn’t 
assemble into a diagnosis, I would suggest a referral to a consultant.

Away from the pressures of the consulting room, I would construct a referral 
letter containing a coherent history and clinical findings and in the process 
find that the diagnosis fell into my lap - not unlike the awkward crossword 
clue that mysteriously solves itself overnight.

Michael


Tell me what is missing.  But wait till I get a chance to
read the manual, which will be about two weeks.  I will
get back.




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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/27/19 2:29 AM, Liz wrote:

For the human identified as ToddAndMargo


Can't think of a way to remove the private information


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Michael Hendry]

> On 27 Apr 2019, at 10:29, Liz  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 14:16:25 +0530
> "David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:
> 
>> ToddAndMango, you might try reading the documentation.
> 
> I'm going to put my education hat on here
> 
> We all learn in different combinations of three main ways
> Hearing, Doing and Seeing
> It doesn't matter how.
> Most importantly
> Some people just don't learn from lectures 
> some just don't learn from reading a book
> 
> some only learn by doing and asking questions.
> Sometimes they have the skills to research the answers to questions
> Sometimes they don't have the skills to know what question to ask.
> 
> For the human identified as ToddAndMargo
> 
> I think we'd understand more if you could send some screenshots and a
> bit more detail as you ask questions.
> 
> Liz
> The Moderator

Couldn’t agree more, Liz, and especially the bit about knowing what question to 
ask.

In my past life as a GP facing a set of symptoms and signs that I couldn’t 
assemble into a diagnosis, I would suggest a referral to a consultant.

Away from the pressures of the consulting room, I would construct a referral 
letter containing a coherent history and clinical findings and in the process 
find that the diagnosis fell into my lap - not unlike the awkward crossword 
clue that mysteriously solves itself overnight.

Michael


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Liz]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 14:16:25 +0530
"David T. via gnucash-user"  wrote:

> ToddAndMango, you might try reading the documentation.

I'm going to put my education hat on here

We all learn in different combinations of three main ways
Hearing, Doing and Seeing
It doesn't matter how.
Most importantly
Some people just don't learn from lectures 
some just don't learn from reading a book

some only learn by doing and asking questions.
Sometimes they have the skills to research the answers to questions
Sometimes they don't have the skills to know what question to ask.

For the human identified as ToddAndMargo

I think we'd understand more if you could send some screenshots and a
bit more detail as you ask questions.

Liz
The Moderator
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[David T. via gnucash-user]

All of this is covered in the Guide at 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_txns.html#txns-reconcile1
 
,
 especially 2.9.4.1, which includes a section regarding the starting balance, 
as well as a note specifically about the starting balance:

Note
The first time you reconcile your account, the starting balance will be 0.00, 
thus probably not the opening balance of your account. When you reconcile the 
account, the opening balance for the account will be included in the 
reconciliation, and the result should balance.


ToddAndMango, you might try reading the documentation.

David T.

> On Apr 27, 2019, at 1:18 PM, Colin Law  > wrote:
> 
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 08:34, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user
> mailto:gnucash-user@gnucash.org>> wrote:
>> 
>> On 4/27/19 12:11 AM, Colin Law wrote:
>>> I am sure we have been over this before.  You should not generally
>>> need to touch the reconcile column in the register yourself.  It is
>>> all done through the Reconcile feature.  Open the credit card (or
>>> bank) account and select Options > Reconcile.  Check the opening
>>> balance matches the opening balance on the statement from the bank,
>>> enter the closing balance from the statement and then tick off the
>>> transactions.
>>> 
>>> Colin
>> 
>> Something is wrong.  I don't have an opening Balance.  It
>> says it is zero
> 
> If it is the first time you have reconciled this account then it will
> be zero, and you should see your opening balance that you entered in
> the reconcile window.  Obviously that is not in the bank statement.
> This is a one-off situation due to the fact that you have started
> using gnucash with the account already up and running.
> 
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Colin Law]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 08:48, Colin Law  wrote:
>
> On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 08:34, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user
>  wrote:
> >
> > On 4/27/19 12:11 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > > I am sure we have been over this before.  You should not generally
> > > need to touch the reconcile column in the register yourself.  It is
> > > all done through the Reconcile feature.  Open the credit card (or
> > > bank) account and select Options > Reconcile.  Check the opening
> > > balance matches the opening balance on the statement from the bank,
> > > enter the closing balance from the statement and then tick off the
> > > transactions.
> > >
> > > Colin
> >
> > Something is wrong.  I don't have an opening Balance.  It
> > says it is zero
>
> If it is the first time you have reconciled this account then it will
> be zero, and you should see your opening balance that you entered in
> the reconcile window.  Obviously that is not in the bank statement.
> This is a one-off situation due to the fact that you have started
> using gnucash with the account already up and running.

I meant that you should see your opening balance in the list of
transactions waiting to be ticked off.

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Colin Law]

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 at 08:34, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user
 wrote:
>
> On 4/27/19 12:11 AM, Colin Law wrote:
> > I am sure we have been over this before.  You should not generally
> > need to touch the reconcile column in the register yourself.  It is
> > all done through the Reconcile feature.  Open the credit card (or
> > bank) account and select Options > Reconcile.  Check the opening
> > balance matches the opening balance on the statement from the bank,
> > enter the closing balance from the statement and then tick off the
> > transactions.
> >
> > Colin
>
> Something is wrong.  I don't have an opening Balance.  It
> says it is zero

If it is the first time you have reconciled this account then it will
be zero, and you should see your opening balance that you entered in
the reconcile window.  Obviously that is not in the bank statement.
This is a one-off situation due to the fact that you have started
using gnucash with the account already up and running.

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/27/19 12:11 AM, Colin Law wrote:

I am sure we have been over this before.  You should not generally
need to touch the reconcile column in the register yourself.  It is
all done through the Reconcile feature.  Open the credit card (or
bank) account and select Options > Reconcile.  Check the opening
balance matches the opening balance on the statement from the bank,
enter the closing balance from the statement and then tick off the
transactions.

Colin


Something is wrong.  I don't have an opening Balance.  It
says it is zero

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Colin Law]

I am sure we have been over this before.  You should not generally
need to touch the reconcile column in the register yourself.  It is
all done through the Reconcile feature.  Open the credit card (or
bank) account and select Options > Reconcile.  Check the opening
balance matches the opening balance on the statement from the bank,
enter the closing balance from the statement and then tick off the
transactions.

Colin

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 23:22, ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user
 wrote:
>
> Hi All,
>
> I have been looking over the "Reconcile" on on eof m yu
> credit card account.  I just don understand what I am seeing.
>
> 1) do I put a "c" in the opening balance as I
> I has checked it?
>
> 2) I have put "C" in all the charges on my bank statement.
>
> 3) I press the Reconcile button and I put in the closing data.
>
> It puts a weird entry into the the ledger that I don't understand
> and puts it on one of those weird  "you goofed" accounts.  And
> I get no "y"'s.
>
> I look at the doc and I have no clue what is going on.
>  https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=help
>  https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=guide
>
> :'(
>
> -T
>
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/26/19 10:13 PM, Liz wrote:

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:59:32 -0500 (CDT)
David Cousens  wrote:


Me: Where's the  ?
Wife: In the refrigerator.
Me: No it isn't.
Wife: Yes it is.
Me: Definitely is not!
Wife: Walks to refrigerator, opens the door grab.s .  from the
front of the middle shelf.
Wife Dirty look.



Here it's called "boy look"
as in
"You only had a boy look"

:D

Liz


It probably wasn't shiny enough

:-)

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Liz]

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 19:59:32 -0500 (CDT)
David Cousens  wrote:

> Me: Where's the  ?
> Wife: In the refrigerator.
> Me: No it isn't.
> Wife: Yes it is.
> Me: Definitely is not!
> Wife: Walks to refrigerator, opens the door grab.s .  from the
> front of the middle shelf.
> Wife Dirty look.


Here it's called "boy look" 
as in
"You only had a boy look"

:D

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

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On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:44 PM ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> On 4/26/19 4:36 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
> > Most of the time you probably don't want to bother with the n or c flags
> > in the ledger -- let GnuCash do that for you, through the
>
> I think the rest of your sentence got cut off.. Anyway, I dod not
> follow.  :'(
>
>
My apologies ... I got called away from the office for a few hours and I
hit SEND thinking I had finished the thought. If the manual doesn't give
you what you need please ask more.


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

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On 4/26/19 5:59 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Me: Where's the  ?
Wife: In the refrigerator.
Me: No it isn't.
Wife: Yes it is.
Me: Definitely is not!
Wife: Walks to refrigerator, opens the door grab.s .  from the front of
the middle shelf.
Wife Dirty look.


That could be my house!

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Cricket Onebit]

Sounds like me at the grocery store. Just tell me what aisle, even better
something big beside it, and like magic it appears, even though I'd already
checked that area thoroughly.

On Fri, 26 Apr 2019 at 20:35, David Cousens 
wrote:

> Todd,
>
> >Why I could not find it on my own, I can only speculate ...
>
> We all went through not being able to find stuff at one point. Sometimes
> the
> greatest help is just knowing it exists somewhere.
>
> David
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[David Cousens]

Todd,

>Why I could not find it on my own, I can only speculate ... 

We all went through not being able to find stuff at one point. Sometimes the
greatest help is just knowing it exists somewhere.

David




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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/26/19 4:55 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Todd,

Google "GnuCash" and a keyword or phrase  and google will usually locate
specific info within the documentation on a topic. Doesn't always work but
usually gets you into the ballpark.

Google "GnuCash reconcile"  lists the relevant help manual entry as well as
the tutorial and concepts guide entries on that topic for example and often
the wiki pages which may have up to date info not yet in the documentation
for example.

David Cousens.


Tommy sent me to

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/cc-together1.html

Why I could not find it on my own, I can only speculate ...

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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

On 4/26/19 4:57 PM, David Carlson wrote:

If you are using GMail


Zoho mail


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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[David Carlson]

ToddAndMargo,

If you are using GMail, it tries to hide what it considers less important,
which often accidentally hides important information.

Click on the three dots icon to see the rest.

David Carlson

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 6:43 PM ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> >
> > https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/cc-together1.html
>
> Thank you!  Now I have a place to start.  For the life of
> me I could not find that chapter!  I bet it was right under
> my nose too!
>
>
> On 4/26/19 4:36 PM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
> > Most of the time you probably don't want to bother with the n or c flags
> > in the ledger -- let GnuCash do that for you, through the
>
> I think the rest of your sentence got cut off.. Anyway, I dod not
> follow.  :'(
>
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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[David Cousens]

Todd,

Google "GnuCash" and a keyword or phrase  and google will usually locate
specific info within the documentation on a topic. Doesn't always work but
usually gets you into the ballpark.

Google "GnuCash reconcile"  lists the relevant help manual entry as well as
the tutorial and concepts guide entries on that topic for example and often
the wiki pages which may have up to date info not yet in the documentation
for example.

David Cousens.



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Re: [GNC] Need help reconciling

[Tommy Trussell]

Hi! Welcome to GnuCash!

On Fri, Apr 26, 2019 at 5:22 PM ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user <
gnucash-user@gnucash.org> wrote:

> I have been looking over the "Reconcile" on on eof m yu
> credit card account.  I just don understand what I am seeing.
>
> 1) do I put a "c" in the opening balance as I
> I has checked it?
>

When you reconcile, you want to use the Reconcile window. Here's the
specific part of the manual that deals with Credit Card accounts -- have a
glance through here

https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v3/C/gnucash-guide/cc-together1.html


> 2) I have put "C" in all the charges on my bank statement.
>

Most of the time you probably don't want to bother with the n or c flags in
the ledger -- let GnuCash do that for you, through the


> 3) I press the Reconcile button and I put in the closing data.
>
> It puts a weird entry into the the ledger that I don't understand
> and puts it on one of those weird  "you goofed" accounts.  And
> I get no "y"'s.
>
>
It sounds like you may have had GnuCash create a correcting entry INSTEAD
of finding the discrepancy in the data you've entered. When you have
everything verified against your statement, you shouldn't need to enter a
correcting entry, unless the problem preceded the month you are looking at.

Alternatively, are you looking at the same account? You would open the
Credit Card account (NOT the "General Ledger" because that gets confusing)
When you have the focus on the Credit Card account tab, choose Actions -->
Reconcile...


> I look at the doc and I have no clue what is going on.
>  https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=help
>  https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=guide
>
>
Even though you have spent some time on this, I recommend starting at least
at the beginning of the Credit Card chapter, and if it's still not
absolutely clear, go back to the beginning of the manual and make sure you
understand the examples. Maybe even create a couple of "Fake" accounts in
your data and enter the examples from the manual exactly as they are there.
If they're clearly labeled as fake you can easily delete them (and the
transactions in them) when you are through with them.

Good luck, and remember to respond to the list (as described below)


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[GNC] Need help reconciling

[ToddAndMargo via gnucash-user]

Hi All,

I have been looking over the "Reconcile" on on eof m yu
credit card account.  I just don understand what I am seeing.

1) do I put a "c" in the opening balance as I
I has checked it?

2) I have put "C" in all the charges on my bank statement.

3) I press the Reconcile button and I put in the closing data.

It puts a weird entry into the the ledger that I don't understand
and puts it on one of those weird  "you goofed" accounts.  And
I get no "y"'s.

I look at the doc and I have no clue what is going on.
https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=help
https://gnucash.org/viewdoc.phtml?rev=3=C=guide

:'(

-T

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