Re: [GNC] Import QIF files

[Geoff]

Hi Beryl

This particular error is a problem with GnuCash version 5.6, and was 
resolved by one of the developers on Sunday:


https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2024-April/111404.html

You have three choices:
(1) Downgrade to GnuCash version 5.5
https://gnucash.org/download.phtml

(2) Upgrade to the latest nightly build that contains the fix
https://code.gnucash.org/builds/

(3) Wait until GnuCash 5.7 is released.

Regards

Geoff
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On 8/04/2024 6:41 am, Beryl Lymer wrote:

I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several years. 
However, for recent files, I am getting an error of ‘MISSING QIF INVESTMENT 
ACTION FOR TRANSACTION DATED xx/xx/.  The erroneous transaction seems to be 
the last of those imported.  The import will not complete.  I have had to 
manually enter all the transactions.

I am downloading the files from Santander online banking.  Not sure if it is 
Santander or Gnucash that’s the issue.

Beryl
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Re: [GNC] Import QIF files

[fromvendor]

Hi, I saw yesterday, I think, that there is an update to address this issue 
regarding regular QIF imports (vs investment ones).  That would require 
installing the latest fix update if I understood what I read.
-g

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Beryl,
I can't help on the specifics as I only occasionally do imports.  I will
give the request to supply your operating system and GnuCash version when
reporting a problem.

Also, and the main reason I replied, is to point out two emails in the same
day with that same error message while doing an import.  The other user was
using the recently released version 5.6.

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 6:38 PM Beryl Lymer  wrote:

> I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several
> years. However, for recent files, I am getting an error of ‘MISSING QIF
> INVESTMENT ACTION FOR TRANSACTION DATED xx/xx/.  The erroneous
> transaction seems to be the last of those imported.  The import will not
> complete.  I have had to manually enter all the transactions.
>
> I am downloading the files from Santander online banking.  Not sure if it
> is Santander or Gnucash that’s the issue.
>
> Beryl
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Re: [GNC] Import QIF files

[Jim Passmore]

Beryl,
I can't help on the specifics as I only occasionally do imports.  I will
give the request to supply your operating system and GnuCash version when
reporting a problem.

Also, and the main reason I replied, is to point out two emails in the same
day with that same error message while doing an import.  The other user was
using the recently released version 5.6.

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On Mon, Apr 8, 2024 at 6:38 PM Beryl Lymer  wrote:

> I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several
> years. However, for recent files, I am getting an error of ‘MISSING QIF
> INVESTMENT ACTION FOR TRANSACTION DATED xx/xx/.  The erroneous
> transaction seems to be the last of those imported.  The import will not
> complete.  I have had to manually enter all the transactions.
>
> I am downloading the files from Santander online banking.  Not sure if it
> is Santander or Gnucash that’s the issue.
>
> Beryl
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[GNC] Import QIF files

[Beryl Lymer]

I have been importing QIF files into GNUcash successfully for several years. 
However, for recent files, I am getting an error of ‘MISSING QIF INVESTMENT 
ACTION FOR TRANSACTION DATED xx/xx/.  The erroneous transaction seems to be 
the last of those imported.  The import will not complete.  I have had to 
manually enter all the transactions.

I am downloading the files from Santander online banking.  Not sure if it is 
Santander or Gnucash that’s the issue.

Beryl
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Re: [GNC] import qif

[David Carlson]

If you have identified some incorrect qif headers then you should know what
they should be.  Preprocess the qif files in a word processor before
importing.

David Carlson

On Fri, Mar 22, 2019, 10:19 AM Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
>
> "Joseph G. Keithley, III via gnucash-user" 
> writes:
>
> > Hello,
> >
> > I've been slowly converting my Quicken 2016 to GnuCash.  Two of my
> > Quicken accounts don't import.  They both span multiple years.  I
> > think I've found why they don't import (incorrect qif headers) .  My
> > problem is, even if I break these accounts into many files of a
> > handful of transactions each, it still takes hours to import any of
> > these files because GnuCash spends so much time trying to match
> > transactions.  Is there any way to import a QIF and disable GnuCash
> > transaction matching.  It is much easier to hand edit these two
> > accounts, since I'll only have to do it once. Thanks in advance.
>
> Sorry, no, I know of no way to disable that step without changing the
> code to skip it (which, of course, you are welcome to do).
>
> Sorry,
>
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Re: [GNC] import qif

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

"Joseph G. Keithley, III via gnucash-user" 
writes:

> Hello,
>
>     I've been slowly converting my Quicken 2016 to GnuCash.  Two of my
> Quicken accounts don't import.  They both span multiple years.  I
> think I've found why they don't import (incorrect qif headers) .  My
> problem is, even if I break these accounts into many files of a
> handful of transactions each, it still takes hours to import any of
> these files because GnuCash spends so much time trying to match
> transactions.  Is there any way to import a QIF and disable GnuCash
> transaction matching.  It is much easier to hand edit these two
> accounts, since I'll only have to do it once. Thanks in advance.

Sorry, no, I know of no way to disable that step without changing the
code to skip it (which, of course, you are welcome to do).

Sorry,

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Re: [GNC] import qif

[cicko]

GnuCash - User mailing list wrote
> Is there any way to import a QIF and disable GnuCash transaction
> matching.  

I'd second making this step optional on import (for both QIF and CSV). It
would significantly reduce the import time and allow a convenient way of
integrating GnuCash with additional tools.
Having a command-line parameters for import would be even better (now that
the CSV import configurations can be saved) as it would avoid running the
GUI, if possible.



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[GNC] import qif

[Joseph G. Keithley, III via gnucash-user]

Hello,

    I've been slowly converting my Quicken 2016 to GnuCash.  Two of my 
Quicken accounts don't import.  They both span multiple years.  I think 
I've found why they don't import (incorrect qif headers) .  My problem 
is, even if I break these accounts into many files of a handful of 
transactions each, it still takes hours to import any of these files 
because GnuCash spends so much time trying to match transactions.  Is 
there any way to import a QIF and disable GnuCash transaction matching.  
It is much easier to hand edit these two accounts, since I'll only have 
to do it once. Thanks in advance.


iii

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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[michalbike]

QIF file is OK in my opinion, because is opening by 2.6.21 but not by 3.0 or
newer. I don't know how could I do other options :/



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[cicko]

AC wrote
> Version 2.3.0 (2018-01-10)
> Improved #696: QIF files are now always zipped regardless of the export
> destination

Which would be fairly easy to diagnose by simply opening the troublesome
.qif file, as advised several times in this thread. 



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[AC]

On 2019-01-19 12:32, David Cousens wrote:
> Have you tried any of the suggestions in the above posts? If so what were the
> results?
> 
> There won't be a magic solution and no-one is going to be able to diagnose
> the problem without additional information or if it really gets desperate a
> copy of the .qif.  file you are trying to import. 
> 
> Have you looked at the GnuCash log files? 
> https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging. Was there anything indicating a
> problem?
> 
> Have you started GnuCash with the debug switch? ( start with $gnucash
> --debug at a terminal prompt  this gives more detail in the log files).
> Have you examined your file to find out whether it deviates from the QIF
> file formatting?https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm
> Were there any obvious deviations?
> 
> Try these and post your results and someone stands a chance of being able to
> help. 
> 
> The only major changes to the qif import between 2.6.19 and 3.1 were a shift
> from the guile1.8 to guile2.0 library, a change in the format of an example
> qif file and some changes to the matching of dates. There was nothing
> obvious that affected the parsing of the file in the commits that I could
> find.
> 
> David Cousens

This might be of interest from the GnuCash Android change log:

Version 2.3.0 (2018-01-10)
Improved #696: QIF files are now always zipped regardless of the export
destination

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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[David Cousens]

Have you tried any of the suggestions in the above posts? If so what were the
results?

There won't be a magic solution and no-one is going to be able to diagnose
the problem without additional information or if it really gets desperate a
copy of the .qif.  file you are trying to import. 

Have you looked at the GnuCash log files? 
https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging. Was there anything indicating a
problem?

Have you started GnuCash with the debug switch? ( start with $gnucash
--debug at a terminal prompt  this gives more detail in the log files).
Have you examined your file to find out whether it deviates from the QIF
file formatting?https://www.w3.org/2000/10/swap/pim/qif-doc/QIF-doc.htm
Were there any obvious deviations?

Try these and post your results and someone stands a chance of being able to
help. 

The only major changes to the qif import between 2.6.19 and 3.1 were a shift
from the guile1.8 to guile2.0 library, a change in the format of an example
qif file and some changes to the matching of dates. There was nothing
obvious that affected the parsing of the file in the commits that I could
find.

David Cousens





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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[David T. via gnucash-user]

Did you try looking at the QIF file to see whether there were obvious problems?
 
 
  On Sat, Jan 19, 2019 at 14:12, michalbike wrote:   There 
is no more any ideas? Developers of desktop GNU Cash don't know
problem, developers od mobile version also. Users both apps also don't know
problem. There must be any solution of this case.



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[Thornes on the Go]

So what does this mean? 

Does online quotes no longer work with alphavantage in GnuCash?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: michalbike
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To: gnucash-user@gnucash.org
Subject: Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

There is no more any ideas? Developers of desktop GNU Cash don't know
problem, developers od mobile version also. Users both apps also don't know
problem. There must be any solution of this case.



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[michalbike]

There is no more any ideas? Developers of desktop GNU Cash don't know
problem, developers od mobile version also. Users both apps also don't know
problem. There must be any solution of this case.



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[cicko]

Not sure if this will help your particular issue but I have not experienced
any issues with QIF files when moving from GnuCash v2 to v3.
I am, however, using MoneyManagerEx for Android to export .qif files and
that has not changed in the meantime. 
You should be able to open the generated .qif file in any text editor and
compare to another one to try to identify any issues.
Some references I've collected while writing the QIF export module, can be
found here:
https://github.com/moneymanagerex/android-money-manager-ex/issues/211



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[michalbike]

Hi David, thanks for response.

I am using Windows 7 Pro x64 on my computer and always the newest GNU Cash
for Android. There is no problem with import QIF file from Android to 2.19
Windows version or older. Problem with import occured when GNU Cash was
publish in 3.1 version. So, I think the problem od in desktop version, not
mobile, because general QIF file is OK.

Best regards!



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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[David Cousens]

This tends to suggest that there is a problem with the format of the file or
with GnuCash's parsing of the file. 

The following text file  file-format.txt
  
contains what is known about the QIF format. It is a proprietary format and
does not have a well standardized specification and varies in its
implementation as noted in the attached file.  It is not clear but you seem
to be importing a QIF file exported by the GnuCash version on Android. This
program is not maintained or produced by the GnuCash team. It is a separate
product and does not use the same code base.

The first thing to do will be to check the GnuCash log files (it may be
worth enabling logging and debug information) and rerunning the import in
GnuCash (https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Logging). You may also find the
following information on file locations useful in locating the log files
(https://wiki.gnucash.org/wiki/Configuration_Locations). This may give you
some information about where in the import process GnuCash is failing and
possibly enough to identify where in the imported file it is failing.

The QIF file can be examined with a text editor. Make a copy of the file and
only work on a copy not the original. Once you have identified where in the
file it is failing, locate that point in the file and compare the syntax
with that described in the above document. If it is a syntax element missing
you may simply be able to correct it and then try importing the modified
copy.

Are you able to import files exported from the most recent Android GnuCash
version (which version?) into versions less than 2.19 on your Windows 10
system? 
Is it only failing for Windows 10 GnuCash V3.0 and up? 

This will help in more clearly identifying whether it is a bug in the latest
Windows 10 GnuCash version causing the problem or whether the problem lies
with the export from the Android program.

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Re: [GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[michalbike]

There is final step during import. Finally, I can't import QIF file.

 



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[GNC] Import QIF error (from Android to Windows)

[michalbike]

Hello everyone,

I have problem with import QIF file from Android (newest) to Windows version
higher than 2.19. So I can't use 3.x version. I try import QIF file exported
by Google Drive and the final step is fail import. Why? Does anybody know
this problem and solution?

Best regards



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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[DaveW]

Thank you Adrien.  That was useful information.  

Happy New Year,

DaveW

On Mon, 31 Dec 2018 00:44:04 -0600
Adrien Monteleone  wrote:

> DaveW,
> 
> As noted earlier, receiving copies of your own messages is a
> preference you can set. It defaults to ’no’ because many people keep
> copies of their own sent mail, thus our mail clients thread our sent
> messages into the conversation where they belong. (when using thread
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> 
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> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> > On Dec 31, 2018, at 12:23 AM, DaveW  wrote:
> > 
> > David C
> > 
> > I apologise for the duplicated messages.  (I was troubled by the
> > fact that I saw no evidence in the List that my message was
> > properly sent.  Even now, I don't seem to be receiving my gnu-cash
> > user copies from the List?  Be that as it may, I regret the nuisance
> > value of my emailing dilemma.)
> > 
> > Thank you very much for the very helpful comments you provided.  I
> > now understand it is imperative to make/correct the account
> > assignment during the wizard process.  (As an aside, that the
> > wizard doesn't show the $ amount on the  appropriate page, often
> > makes it difficult to recall where the transaction belongs.  Just
> > by way of comment.)
> > 
> > All of that said, it seems that I should await, or install, version
> > 3.x
> > 
> > Thank you again Dave and a Happy New Year to you and this user
> > group. It is an excellent facility.
> > 
> > Dave W
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 02:56:05 -0600
> > David Carlson  wrote:
> >   
> >> Dave W,
> >> 
> >> Once is enough with the duplicated messages.  The previous
> >> responses by John and Derek seemed to cover your concerns but
> >> since you are asking for elaboration, I as an experienced user can
> >> answer your questions #1 & #2. The QIF Import wizard in the
> >> GnuCash Releases 2.6.21 and earlier assign the unspecified account
> >> when there is not enough history detected by the Bayesian matcher
> >> to assign an existing account to a transaction.  The user must
> >> monitor the import and correct those transactions during the
> >> import process as well as catching and correcting any other
> >> assignment errors arising from similar transactions in the history
> >> before accepting the assignments in the import.  Since each
> >> financial institution structures their descriptions somewhat
> >> differently, it sometimes takes much more history to get better
> >> accuracy with the matching.  Even after many years using the OFX
> >> importer, I still get frequent mis-assignments between gasoline
> >> purchases and restaurant purchases in one of my bank accounts.  In
> >> my experience, the OFX import wizard historically has given me
> >> better results than the QIF importer, and I have few accounts that
> >> do not offer OFX format.
> >> 
> >> To make things more interesting, the 3.x release series has the
> >> importers re-configured to work differently so that it is, as a
> >> practical matter, necessary to start over with matching once you
> >> have migrated to that release series.  The bright side of that
> >> change is that it should work better fairly quickly, and best of
> >> all, it will be easier to purge out bad history when needed.
> >> 
> >> I cannot answer your questions #3 and #4.
> >> 
> >> David C
> >> 
> >> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:29 PM DaveW 
> >> wrote: 
> >>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
> >>> Derek Atkins  wrote:
> >>>   
>  Hi,
>  
>  John Ralls  writes:
>    
> >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> >> 
> >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my
> >> Mastercard. Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card,
> >> the system doesn't remember the account allocation even for
> >> exactly the same transaction multiple times previously booked.
> >> 
> >> How to fix, please?
> > 
> > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build
> > up enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of
> > the matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an
> > import.
>  
>  Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If
>  there is even a single character different in the Payee or Memo
>  then the QIF importer will consider it different.

Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[Adrien Monteleone]

DaveW,

As noted earlier, receiving copies of your own messages is a preference you can 
set. It defaults to ’no’ because many people keep copies of their own sent 
mail, thus our mail clients thread our sent messages into the conversation 
where they belong. (when using thread or conversation view features of mail 
clients, otherwise a check of the ’sent’ folder will show it.) If you either 
don’t keep your own sent mail, or want to get another copy from the list 
anyway, simply log in to mailman and set that preference.

If you just occasionally want to make sure one of your postings made it to the 
list, you can check the web archive and see it there.

If your message fails at the server level, you’ll get a bounce message.

If it is held for moderation, (such as accidentally sending from a different 
account) you’ll get an automated reply to that effect.

Regards,
Adrien

> On Dec 31, 2018, at 12:23 AM, DaveW  wrote:
> 
> David C
> 
> I apologise for the duplicated messages.  (I was troubled by the
> fact that I saw no evidence in the List that my message was
> properly sent.  Even now, I don't seem to be receiving my gnu-cash
> user copies from the List?  Be that as it may, I regret the nuisance
> value of my emailing dilemma.)
> 
> Thank you very much for the very helpful comments you provided.  I now
> understand it is imperative to make/correct the account assignment
> during the wizard process.  (As an aside, that the wizard doesn't show
> the $ amount on the  appropriate page, often makes it difficult to
> recall where the transaction belongs.  Just by way of comment.)
> 
> All of that said, it seems that I should await, or install, version 3.x
> 
> Thank you again Dave and a Happy New Year to you and this user group.
> It is an excellent facility.
> 
> Dave W
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 02:56:05 -0600
> David Carlson  wrote:
> 
>> Dave W,
>> 
>> Once is enough with the duplicated messages.  The previous responses
>> by John and Derek seemed to cover your concerns but since you are
>> asking for elaboration, I as an experienced user can answer your
>> questions #1 & #2. The QIF Import wizard in the GnuCash Releases
>> 2.6.21 and earlier assign the unspecified account when there is not
>> enough history detected by the Bayesian matcher to assign an existing
>> account to a transaction.  The user must monitor the import and
>> correct those transactions during the import process as well as
>> catching and correcting any other assignment errors arising from
>> similar transactions in the history before accepting the assignments
>> in the import.  Since each financial institution structures their
>> descriptions somewhat differently, it sometimes takes much more
>> history to get better accuracy with the matching.  Even after many
>> years using the OFX importer, I still get frequent mis-assignments
>> between gasoline purchases and restaurant purchases in one of my bank
>> accounts.  In my experience, the OFX import wizard historically has
>> given me better results than the QIF importer, and I have few
>> accounts that do not offer OFX format.
>> 
>> To make things more interesting, the 3.x release series has the
>> importers re-configured to work differently so that it is, as a
>> practical matter, necessary to start over with matching once you have
>> migrated to that release series.  The bright side of that change is
>> that it should work better fairly quickly, and best of all, it will
>> be easier to purge out bad history when needed.
>> 
>> I cannot answer your questions #3 and #4.
>> 
>> David C
>> 
>> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:29 PM DaveW  wrote:
>> 
>>> On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
>>> Derek Atkins  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi,
 
 John Ralls  writes:
 
>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
>>  wrote:
>> 
>> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
>> 
>> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my
>> Mastercard. Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card,
>> the system doesn't remember the account allocation even for
>> exactly the same transaction multiple times previously booked.
>> 
>> How to fix, please?  
> 
> Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build
> up enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of
> the matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an
> import.  
 
 Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If
 there is even a single character different in the Payee or Memo
 then the QIF importer will consider it different.
 
> Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.  
 
 -derek  
>>> 
>>> Ongoing . . . . .
>>> 
>>> I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
>>> importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
>>> suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard

Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[DaveW]

David C

I apologise for the duplicated messages.  (I was troubled by the
fact that I saw no evidence in the List that my message was
properly sent.  Even now, I don't seem to be receiving my gnu-cash
user copies from the List?  Be that as it may, I regret the nuisance
value of my emailing dilemma.)

Thank you very much for the very helpful comments you provided.  I now
understand it is imperative to make/correct the account assignment
during the wizard process.  (As an aside, that the wizard doesn't show
the $ amount on the  appropriate page, often makes it difficult to
recall where the transaction belongs.  Just by way of comment.)

All of that said, it seems that I should await, or install, version 3.x

Thank you again Dave and a Happy New Year to you and this user group.
It is an excellent facility.

Dave W





On Sun, 30 Dec 2018 02:56:05 -0600
David Carlson  wrote:

> Dave W,
> 
> Once is enough with the duplicated messages.  The previous responses
> by John and Derek seemed to cover your concerns but since you are
> asking for elaboration, I as an experienced user can answer your
> questions #1 & #2. The QIF Import wizard in the GnuCash Releases
> 2.6.21 and earlier assign the unspecified account when there is not
> enough history detected by the Bayesian matcher to assign an existing
> account to a transaction.  The user must monitor the import and
> correct those transactions during the import process as well as
> catching and correcting any other assignment errors arising from
> similar transactions in the history before accepting the assignments
> in the import.  Since each financial institution structures their
> descriptions somewhat differently, it sometimes takes much more
> history to get better accuracy with the matching.  Even after many
> years using the OFX importer, I still get frequent mis-assignments
> between gasoline purchases and restaurant purchases in one of my bank
> accounts.  In my experience, the OFX import wizard historically has
> given me better results than the QIF importer, and I have few
> accounts that do not offer OFX format.
> 
> To make things more interesting, the 3.x release series has the
> importers re-configured to work differently so that it is, as a
> practical matter, necessary to start over with matching once you have
> migrated to that release series.  The bright side of that change is
> that it should work better fairly quickly, and best of all, it will
> be easier to purge out bad history when needed.
> 
> I cannot answer your questions #3 and #4.
> 
> David C
> 
> On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:29 PM DaveW  wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
> > Derek Atkins  wrote:
> >  
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > John Ralls  writes:
> > >  
> > > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> > > >>  wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> > > >>
> > > >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my
> > > >> Mastercard. Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card,
> > > >> the system doesn't remember the account allocation even for
> > > >> exactly the same transaction multiple times previously booked.
> > > >>
> > > >> How to fix, please?  
> > > >
> > > > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build
> > > > up enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of
> > > > the matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an
> > > > import.  
> > >
> > > Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If
> > > there is even a single character different in the Payee or Memo
> > > then the QIF importer will consider it different.
> > >  
> > > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.  
> > >
> > > -derek  
> >
> > Ongoing . . . . .
> >
> > I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
> > importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
> > suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard
> > account .qif downloads continue to import and allocate correctly.)
> >
> > In my frenetic searching, I find this
> > file: /.gnucash/qif-accounts-map. It seems to be the memory source
> > of previous transaction.  It's a long file that obviously has
> > followed me over the years.  In it I recognise that, typically, the
> > Mastercard allocations Line Description has the correct account
> > allocation recorded.
> >
> > So I searched a recent Amex transaction that has twice previously
> > been manually corrected from "Unspecified" to it's correct Expense
> > account yet this is what is recorded inter alia:
> > ("ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER SUTHERLAND" "ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER
> > SUTHERLAND" (9 8 0 3 4 2 11 12 5 6) #f "Unspecified" #f #t).
> >
> > Sorry about the long preamble. ):
> >
> > *1. Once designated "Unspecified" how/when, and by what means, does
> > the correct allocation be recorded?
> > *2. Is there a difference between manual correction while in QIF
> > Downlo

Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[David Carlson]

Dave W,

Once is enough with the duplicated messages.  The previous responses by
John and Derek seemed to cover your concerns but since you are asking for
elaboration, I as an experienced user can answer your questions #1 & #2.
The QIF Import wizard in the GnuCash Releases 2.6.21 and earlier assign the
unspecified account when there is not enough history detected by the
Bayesian matcher to assign an existing account to a transaction.  The user
must monitor the import and correct those transactions during the import
process as well as catching and correcting any other assignment errors
arising from similar transactions in the history before accepting the
assignments in the import.  Since each financial institution structures
their descriptions somewhat differently, it sometimes takes much more
history to get better accuracy with the matching.  Even after many years
using the OFX importer, I still get frequent mis-assignments between
gasoline purchases and restaurant purchases in one of my bank accounts.  In
my experience, the OFX import wizard historically has given me better
results than the QIF importer, and I have few accounts that do not offer
OFX format.

To make things more interesting, the 3.x release series has the importers
re-configured to work differently so that it is, as a practical matter,
necessary to start over with matching once you have migrated to that
release series.  The bright side of that change is that it should work
better fairly quickly, and best of all, it will be easier to purge out bad
history when needed.

I cannot answer your questions #3 and #4.

David C

On Sat, Dec 29, 2018 at 11:29 PM DaveW  wrote:

> On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
> Derek Atkins  wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > John Ralls  writes:
> >
> > >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> > >>  wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> > >>
> > >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
> > >> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
> > >> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same
> > >> transaction multiple times previously booked.
> > >>
> > >> How to fix, please?
> > >
> > > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> > > enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the
> > > matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.
> >
> > Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
> > even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
> > importer will consider it different.
> >
> > > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
> >
> > -derek
>
> Ongoing . . . . .
>
> I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
> importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
> suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard
> account .qif downloads continue to import and allocate correctly.)
>
> In my frenetic searching, I find this file: /.gnucash/qif-accounts-map.
> It seems to be the memory source of previous transaction.  It's a long
> file that obviously has followed me over the years.  In it I recognise
> that, typically, the Mastercard allocations Line Description has
> the correct account allocation recorded.
>
> So I searched a recent Amex transaction that has twice previously been
> manually corrected from "Unspecified" to it's correct Expense account
> yet this is what is recorded inter alia:
> ("ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER SUTHERLAND" "ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER
> SUTHERLAND" (9 8 0 3 4 2 11 12 5 6) #f "Unspecified" #f #t).
>
> Sorry about the long preamble. ):
>
> *1. Once designated "Unspecified" how/when, and by what means, does the
> correct allocation be recorded?
> *2. Is there a difference between manual correction while in QIF
> Download mode and after Import has been completed?
> *3. What do the numerals and #'s mean?
> *4. Shall I upload the said qif-accounts-map file for you?
>
> Dave W
>
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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[DaveW]

On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> John Ralls  writes:
> 
> >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> >> 
> >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
> >> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
> >> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same
> >> transaction multiple times previously booked.
> >> 
> >> How to fix, please?  
> >
> > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> > enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the
> > matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.  
> 
> Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
> even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
> importer will consider it different.
> 
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.  
> 
> -derek

Ongoing . . . . . 

I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard
account .qif downloads continue to import and allocate correctly.)

In my frenetic searching, I find this file: /.gnucash/qif-accounts-map.
It seems to be the memory source of previous transaction.  It's a long
file that obviously has followed me over the years.  In it I recognise
that, typically, the Mastercard allocations Line Description has
the correct account allocation recorded.  

So I searched a recent Amex transaction that has twice previously been
manually corrected from "Unspecified" to it's correct Expense account
yet this is what is recorded inter alia:
("ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER SUTHERLAND" "ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER
SUTHERLAND" (9 8 0 3 4 2 11 12 5 6) #f "Unspecified" #f #t).

Sorry about the long preamble. ):

*1. Once designated "Unspecified" how/when, and by what means, does the
correct allocation be recorded?
*2. Is there a difference between manual correction while in QIF
Download mode and after Import has been completed?
*3. What do the numerals and #'s mean?
*4. Shall I upload the said qif-accounts-map file for you?

Dave W

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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[DIW]

On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> John Ralls  writes:
> 
> >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> >> 
> >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
> >> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
> >> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same
> >> transaction multiple times previously booked.
> >> 
> >> How to fix, please?  
> >
> > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> > enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the
> > matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.  
> 
> Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
> even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
> importer will consider it different.
> 
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
> > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.  
> 
> -derek


Ongoing . . . . . 

I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard
account .qif downloads continue to import and allocate correctly.)

In my frenetic searching, I find this file: /.gnucash/qif-accounts-map.
It seems to be the memory source of previous transaction.  It's a long
file that obviously has followed me over the years.  In it I recognise
that, typically, the Mastercard allocations Line Description has
the correct account allocation recorded.  

So I searched a recent Amex transaction that has twice previously been
manually corrected from "Unspecified" to it's correct Expense account
yet this is what is recorded inter alia:
("ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER SUTHERLAND" "ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER
SUTHERLAND" (9 8 0 3 4 2 11 12 5 6) #f "Unspecified" #f #t).

Sorry about the long preamble. ):

*1. Once designated "Unspecified" how/when, and by what means, does the
correct allocation be recorded?
*2. Is there a difference between manual correction while in QIF
Download mode and after Import has been completed?
*3. What do the numerals and #'s mean?
*4. Shall I upload the said qif-accounts-map file for you?

Dave W

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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[DIW]

On Mon, 03 Dec 2018 19:13:53 -0500
Derek Atkins  wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> John Ralls  writes:
> 
> >> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman
> >>  wrote:
> >> 
> >> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> >> 
> >> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
> >> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
> >> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same
> >> transaction multiple times previously booked.
> >> 
> >> How to fix, please?  
> >
> > Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> > enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the
> > matcher that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.  
> 
> Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
> even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
> importer will consider it different.
> 
> > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies.
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Ongoing . . . . . 

I have now been through 8 monthly iterations of my newer Amex qif
importations.  Still no auto account allocation generation as
suggested will eventually occur. (Yet my long-term Mastercard
account .qif downloads continue to import and allocate correctly.)

In my frenetic searching, I find this file: /.gnucash/qif-accounts-map.
It seems to be the memory source of previous transaction.  It's a long
file that obviously has followed me over the years.  In it I recognise
that, typically, the Mastercard allocations Line Description has
the correct account allocation recorded.  

So I searched a recent Amex transaction that has twice previously been
manually corrected from "Unspecified" to it's correct Expense account
yet this is what is recorded inter alia:
("ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER SUTHERLAND" "ROMEO S FOODHALL SUTHER
SUTHERLAND" (9 8 0 3 4 2 11 12 5 6) #f "Unspecified" #f #t).

Sorry about the long preamble. ):

*1. Once designated "Unspecified" how/when, and by what means, does the
correct allocation be recorded?
*2. Is there a difference between manual correction while in QIF
Download mode and after Import has been completed?
*3. What do the numerals and #'s mean?
*4. Shall I upload the said qif-accounts-map file for you?

Dave W

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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[Derek Atkins]

Hi,

John Ralls  writes:

>> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman  wrote:
>> 
>> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
>> 
>> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
>> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
>> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same transaction
>> multiple times previously booked.
>> 
>> How to fix, please?
>
> Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up
> enough matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the matcher
> that matter, not the number of transactions in an import.

Keep in mind that the QIF importer matches on FULL LINES.  If there is
even a single character different in the Payee or Memo then the QIF
importer will consider it different.

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Re: [GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[John Ralls]

> On Dec 3, 2018, at 6:06 AM, David wasserman  wrote:
> 
> Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.
> 
> Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
> Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
> remember the account allocation even for exactly the same transaction
> multiple times previously booked.
> 
> How to fix, please?

Keep importing. It takes several runs of the importer to build up enough 
matching data to generate matches, and it’s runs of the matcher that matter, 
not the number of transactions in an import.

Regards,
John Ralls
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[GNC] Import qif does not remember account allocation.

[David wasserman]

Running Ubuntu 18.04.  GNC version 2.6.19.

Whereas GNC remembers previous account allocation on my Mastercard.
Importing from my recently new AMEX credit card, the system doesn't
remember the account allocation even for exactly the same transaction
multiple times previously booked.

How to fix, please?

Dave W
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