Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Greg Feneis]

The insert key should do something when it's pressed.  To save space, it's
often combined with other lesser used keys and requires an extra key press
(prior or simultaneous) to activate it.  Often, simply pressing the key
that says ins on it won't do anything.  The insert/typeover mode still
exists.  If a computer's keyboard doesn't control it, that might be a point
of concern.

To test for control of the insert/typeover status, typically the user can
open a text editor or terminal interface and watch the cursor while
toggling typeover vs insert modes.  EG on Win 10, the cursor in the command
prompt changes shape when switching from typeover to insert mode.  EG In my
Linux VM, when I open LibreOffice Writer and toggle between typeover and
insert mode, I see an indication change at the bottom of the Writer
window.




Kind regards,

Greg Feneis




On Fri, Nov 13, 2020 at 9:03 AM Les  wrote:

> Adrien:
>
> Thanks for the information, but upon a comparison of both Laptops, there
> is no difference in keyboard preferences.  Both laptops have an insert
> key but it doesn't appear to do anything.
>
> Les
>
> On 11/13/20 9:41 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
> > Les, that tells me it is an input issue on the offending laptop. Check
> > your input method is the same on both.
> >
> > I too thought of the Insert mode toggle but that usually isn't
> > available on a laptop with a single key. (therefore difficult to
> > toggle it by accident) You may have a key-combo which toggles this on
> > and off, check your keyboard preferences.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Adrien
> >
> > On 11/12/20 8:02 AM, Les wrote:
> >> For what its worth, I have two of these laptops, both running the
> >> same version of Linux Mint and I just installed GC 4.2 via Flatpak on
> >> the 2nd one and I don't have this problem problem.  Weird.
> >
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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Les]

Adrien:

Thanks for the information, but upon a comparison of both Laptops, there 
is no difference in keyboard preferences.  Both laptops have an insert 
key but it doesn't appear to do anything.


Les

On 11/13/20 9:41 AM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
Les, that tells me it is an input issue on the offending laptop. Check 
your input method is the same on both.


I too thought of the Insert mode toggle but that usually isn't 
available on a laptop with a single key. (therefore difficult to 
toggle it by accident) You may have a key-combo which toggles this on 
and off, check your keyboard preferences.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/12/20 8:02 AM, Les wrote:
For what its worth, I have two of these laptops, both running the 
same version of Linux Mint and I just installed GC 4.2 via Flatpak on 
the 2nd one and I don't have this problem problem.  Weird.


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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Adrien Monteleone]

Les, that tells me it is an input issue on the offending laptop. Check 
your input method is the same on both.


I too thought of the Insert mode toggle but that usually isn't available 
on a laptop with a single key. (therefore difficult to toggle it by 
accident) You may have a key-combo which toggles this on and off, check 
your keyboard preferences.


Regards,
Adrien

On 11/12/20 8:02 AM, Les wrote:
For what its worth, I have two of these laptops, both running the same 
version of Linux Mint and I just installed GC 4.2 via Flatpak on the 2nd 
one and I don't have this problem problem.  Weird.


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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Les]

Thanks for the information David.  I will see what I can find using xev.

Les

On 11/12/20 2:46 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les

It is most likely to be a premissions issue with Flatpak. I'm not familiar
enough with that to make any suggestions. If the keyboard is acting normally
in other apps it is highly likely to be in that area. You can check what the
computer is getting from the keyboard using xev in a terminal. I think John
Ralls has chased down such issues before but he should be asleep for the
next 5-6 hours.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Geert Janssens]

Op vrijdag 13 november 2020 00:01:48 CET schreef David Cousens:
> I prefer to build my own as well. On Linux once the dependencies are
> installed this is pretty easy.
> 
> While the flathub idea is good in principle it seems to require
> configuration of the sandbox and maybe specifically for each app. John Ralls
> has sorted out such issues before and you may possibly find some references
> in the archive of the user and dev forums on how to set premissions for
> flatpaks. The print issue is usually a permissions  setting which allows
> the sandbox the flatpak is run in access to the OS print facilities.
> 
> For my purposes the extra protection of a sandbox environment was not worth
> the learning curve.
> 
> David

Slightly off-topic first: the sandbox is a relatively modern operating system 
concept. It's common on other platforms (like Android, ChromeOS) and is meant 
to protect unexperienced users from malicious attacks. In itself it's a strong 
concept. On linux this idiom has appeared only very recently and hence has to 
prove itself in the face of both long time user habits and early 
implementation issues. Note that flatpak is not the only implementation of 
this though together with snaps and appimages it's explicitly targeted at end-
users rather than sysadmins (who have VM's, containers,...)

Now in particular to flatpak and GnuCash:
1. for 4.3 we have decided to lift all of the sandbox restrictions wrt to 
network and file access. That should simplify storing data files on things 
like network shares, usb drives or in any kind of database (locally hosted or 
not).
2. Printing is handled specially in flatpak. The printing code needs to 
implement what flatpak calls a "portal". We use Gtk for our printing needs and 
Gtk has implemented this portal. As such check printing works fine. However 
for our report system we depend on WebkitGtk (including for printing). And to 
date WebkitGtk has not yet implemented that portal. That is why report 
printing is not working unfortunately and won't until WebkitGtk gets its act 
together or we switch to a different reporting system. The only thing gnucash 
on flatpak currently can do for you is print to a pdf which you can then send 
to your printer.

Regards,

Geert


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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[David Cousens]

I prefer to build my own as well. On Linux once the dependencies are
installed this is pretty easy. 

While the flathub idea is good in principle it seems to require
configuration of the sandbox and maybe specifically for each app. John Ralls
has sorted out such issues before and you may possibly find some references
in the archive of the user and dev forums on how to set premissions for
flatpaks. The print issue is usually a permissions  setting which allows the
sandbox the flatpak is run in access to the OS print facilities. 

For my purposes the extra protection of a sandbox environment was not worth
the learning curve.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Jean-David Beyer via gnucash-user]

On 11/12/20 3:01 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les,

I have a non-flatpack version 4.2 running on Linux Mint 20 and it doesn't
exhibit the same behaviour. I can backspace, delete and or highlight and
delete in the Date, Description, Debit and Credit Columns without any
problem field without any problem. It would appear to be a Flathub problem,
rather than an inherent GnuCash problem.

David


I have had nothing but trouble with stuff I got from flatpack. I am 
running on


Red Hat Enterprise Linux release 8.2 (Ootpa)

using the following version a friend of mine built from source.

Version: 4.2
Build ID: 4.2+(2020-09-26)
Finance::Quote: -

The problem I had with the flatpack version was that it could not print  
anything.


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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[David Cousens]

Les

It is most likely to be a premissions issue with Flatpak. I'm not familiar
enough with that to make any suggestions. If the keyboard is acting normally
in other apps it is highly likely to be in that area. You can check what the
computer is getting from the keyboard using xev in a terminal. I think John
Ralls has chased down such issues before but he should be asleep for the
next 5-6 hours.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Les]

After removing GC via Flatpak, restarting my system and reinstalling GC 
via Flatpak, there is no difference in the behavior of GC.


Oh well.

Les

On 11/12/20 2:01 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les,

I have a non-flatpack version 4.2 running on Linux Mint 20 and it doesn't
exhibit the same behaviour. I can backspace, delete and or highlight and
delete in the Date, Description, Debit and Credit Columns without any
problem field without any problem. It would appear to be a Flathub problem,
rather than an inherent GnuCash problem.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Les]

Thanks David.

I have been thinking of removing GC via Flatpak and then reinstalling 
it.  Not sure it would make any difference, but can't hurt.


Les

On 11/12/20 2:01 PM, David Cousens wrote:

Les,

I have a non-flatpack version 4.2 running on Linux Mint 20 and it doesn't
exhibit the same behaviour. I can backspace, delete and or highlight and
delete in the Date, Description, Debit and Credit Columns without any
problem field without any problem. It would appear to be a Flathub problem,
rather than an inherent GnuCash problem.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[David Cousens]

Les,

I have a non-flatpack version 4.2 running on Linux Mint 20 and it doesn't
exhibit the same behaviour. I can backspace, delete and or highlight and
delete in the Date, Description, Debit and Credit Columns without any
problem field without any problem. It would appear to be a Flathub problem,
rather than an inherent GnuCash problem.

David



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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Les]

Thanks for the reply Tommy.

I have used the Flatpak version of GC since at least 4.0 on the same 
system.  This is the first experience of the issue described.  I often 
issue the flatpak update and nothing has updated since GC 4.2.


I am running this on a Lenova w541 and just checked the insert key, but 
to no effect.  However, there is a "Windows" key and that did remove an 
entry.  ???


For what its worth, I have two of these laptops, both running the same 
version of Linux Mint and I just installed GC 4.2 via Flatpak on the 2nd 
one and I don't have this problem problem.  Weird.


Les


On 11/12/20 7:14 AM, Tommy Trussell wrote:
On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 6:38 AM Les > wrote:


I recently upgraded to GC 4.2 via Flathub (on Linux Mint 19.2. It
seems
that if you enter an incorrect entry and attempt to backspace or
delete
an entry in the register, it will not allow this action.  I am
able to
highlight the entry and then type over it.


Hi -- has this issue resolved for you? I am using GnuCash 4.2 via 
Flatpak on a couple of different releases of Ubuntu (20.04 and 20.10) 
and neither shows this behavior.


I wondered if somehow you had turned on "Insert Mode" on your keyboard 
(pressing the Insert key) but at least on this keyboard it didn't 
cause the behavior you described.


I know little about flatpak but maybe try opening a terminal and 
issuing the command

flatpak update

Maybe if there's a flatpak configuration issue it will tell you.

Oh and just to be certain -- I assume you have used other GnuCash 
releases and have not seen this behavior before. If you are a new 
GnuCash user and do not have much experience deleting and editing 
transactions, you should know you cannot select the entire transaction 
and delete it using the delete key on your keyboard. You can use 
Transaction --> Delete Transaction menu item to delete an entire 
transaction.


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Re: [GNC] Annoying Register Issue

[Tommy Trussell]

On Wed, Nov 4, 2020 at 6:38 AM Les  wrote:

> I recently upgraded to GC 4.2 via Flathub (on Linux Mint 19.2. It seems
> that if you enter an incorrect entry and attempt to backspace or delete
> an entry in the register, it will not allow this action.  I am able to
> highlight the entry and then type over it.
>

Hi -- has this issue resolved for you? I am using GnuCash 4.2 via Flatpak
on a couple of different releases of Ubuntu (20.04 and 20.10) and neither
shows this behavior.

I wondered if somehow you had turned on "Insert Mode" on your keyboard
(pressing the Insert key) but at least on this keyboard it didn't cause the
behavior you described.

I know little about flatpak but maybe try opening a terminal and issuing
the command

flatpak update

Maybe if there's a flatpak configuration issue it will tell you.

Oh and just to be certain -- I assume you have used other GnuCash releases
and have not seen this behavior before. If you are a new GnuCash user and
do not have much experience deleting and editing transactions, you should
know you cannot select the entire transaction and delete it using the
delete key on your keyboard. You can use Transaction --> Delete Transaction
menu item to delete an entire transaction.



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