Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
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Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Also the database/XML file itself refers them as splits (i.e, each transaction is made up of two or more splits), so if we start using different terminology for what people on the frontend it could get really confusing if we are trying to resolve a problem and have to refer to what's in the data using one meaning for split and a different meaning for the frontend. David On Thu, 18 Jan 2024 at 20:15, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > > Yes, this is an example where it isn't just the terminology of users, > but rather that the UI uses the term 'split' for two different meanings. > > I too have memo transactions with only one split and no value. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 1/18/24 1:45 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote: > > Don't forget, changing "split" to a "new term" would mean program > > changes. When I click on a line within a transaction and then click the > > delete icon, a popup asks whether I want to delete "the split". And that > > happens whether there are two splits in the transaction or more than two. > > > > (It is of course possible to have a transaction that has but one split, > > with amount equal to zero. I do it as a way of making a memo that isn't > > tied to any financial transaction, for instance the number of miles I > > drove for charity in a given month. GnuCash has no problem with that.) > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. -- David Whiting ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
I suspect it is fair to say that the UI design results in different uses of the same English terms from accounting, thus a "split" in terminology. > On 01/18/2024 12:03 PM PST Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > > > Yes, this is an example where it isn't just the terminology of users, > but rather that the UI uses the term 'split' for two different meanings. > > I too have memo transactions with only one split and no value. > > Regards, > Adrien > ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Yes, this is an example where it isn't just the terminology of users, but rather that the UI uses the term 'split' for two different meanings. I too have memo transactions with only one split and no value. Regards, Adrien On 1/18/24 1:45 PM, Stan Brown (using GC 4.14) wrote: Don't forget, changing "split" to a "new term" would mean program changes. When I click on a line within a transaction and then click the delete icon, a popup asks whether I want to delete "the split". And that happens whether there are two splits in the transaction or more than two. (It is of course possible to have a transaction that has but one split, with amount equal to zero. I do it as a way of making a memo that isn't tied to any financial transaction, for instance the number of miles I drove for charity in a given month. GnuCash has no problem with that.) ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Perhaps. But does that translate well to the Basic View mode when there are 3 or more debits/credits? Regards, Adrien On 1/18/24 1:53 PM, Eric Chapman wrote: FWIW: How about "Simple transactions" (with one debit & one credit) and "Compound transactions" (those with more than one debit or more than one credit)? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Ah yes, another case of 'split' and I have lots of those! - For the record, Transaction Journal view shows each debit and credit and the Memos for each. Double-Line shows the Notes field and is independent of Transaction Journal view. Regards, Adrien On 1/18/24 1:28 PM, Patrick James wrote: A "simple journal entry" is a journal entry that involves no more than two accounts. A "compound journal entry" is a journal entry that involves more than two accounts. That's the 'easy' part. Now there are entries that involve multiple debits or multiple credits, or both, that only impact two accounts. This I personally call this a "split," as at least one debit or credit is being "split" into more than is necessary for the basics. Often the memos are important here. When the "transaction journal" in GnuCash is selected, GnuCash shows all the impacted accounts, and if "Double Line" is also selected, then it shows the memo field too. I'm not sure what the best use of "split" is, as this question reminds me of various seemingly simple questions, such as "Where does milk come from?" ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
FWIW: How about "Simple transactions" (with one debit & one credit) and "Compound transactions" (those with more than one debit or more than one credit)? On 1/18/24 11:56, Adrien Monteleone wrote: Fair enough. We need a new term for one of these things. It is a repeated source of confusion & consternation. Regards, Adrien On 1/18/24 9:54 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean that either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double entry bookkeeping. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Don't forget, changing "split" to a "new term" would mean program changes. When I click on a line within a transaction and then click the delete icon, a popup asks whether I want to delete "the split". And that happens whether there are two splits in the transaction or more than two. (It is of course possible to have a transaction that has but one split, with amount equal to zero. I do it as a way of making a memo that isn't tied to any financial transaction, for instance the number of miles I drove for charity in a given month. GnuCash has no problem with that.) Stan Brown Tehachapi, CA, USA https://BrownMath.com On 2024-01-18 08:56, Adrien Monteleone wrote: > Fair enough. We need a new term for one of these things. It is a > repeated source of confusion & consternation. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 1/18/24 9:54 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: >> Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO >> accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean >> that either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit >> account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at >> least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double >> entry bookkeeping. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
A "simple journal entry" is a journal entry that involves no more than two accounts. A "compound journal entry" is a journal entry that involves more than two accounts. That's the 'easy' part. Now there are entries that involve multiple debits or multiple credits, or both, that only impact two accounts. This I personally call this a "split," as at least one debit or credit is being "split" into more than is necessary for the basics. Often the memos are important here. When the "transaction journal" in GnuCash is selected, GnuCash shows all the impacted accounts, and if "Double Line" is also selected, then it shows the memo field too. I'm not sure what the best use of "split" is, as this question reminds me of various seemingly simple questions, such as "Where does milk come from?" > On 01/18/2024 8:56 AM PST Adrien Monteleone > wrote: > > > Fair enough. We need a new term for one of these things. It is a > repeated source of confusion & consternation. > > Regards, > Adrien > > On 1/18/24 9:54 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: > > Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO > > accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean that > > either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit > > account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at > > least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double > > entry bookkeeping. > > ___ > gnucash-user mailing list > gnucash-user@gnucash.org > To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: > https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user > - > Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. > You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
Fair enough. We need a new term for one of these things. It is a repeated source of confusion & consternation. Regards, Adrien On 1/18/24 9:54 AM, Michael or Penny Novack wrote: Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean that either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double entry bookkeeping. ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
On 1/17/2024 10:04 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote: A little more detail to what Michael is asking for: While viewing the Checking account register, click on View > Transaction Journal. That will show all splits in all transactions. Except I would never refer to a transaction that affect JUST TWO accounts to have any "splits". When I use the term "splits" I mean that either there is more than one debit account, more than one credit account, or both. ALL transactions involve at least two accounts, at least one debit and at least one credit. That is fundamental to double entry bookkeeping. Michael D Novack ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
A little more detail to what Michael is asking for: While viewing the Checking account register, click on View > Transaction Journal. That will show all splits in all transactions. What you should see for each payment is a debit (left column amount) to the respective credit card account, and a credit (right column amount) to the checking account. (money going into the credit card account and out of the checking account) If you do *not* see that, let us know what you do see. If you can include a screenshot of one or more of these payment transactions, that won't hurt. Feel free to obfuscate/blur any sensitive info. (and be sure to 'attach' the screenshot, do not paste it as part of the reply) But you can also just type the info in a reply if you prefer. Regards, Adrien On 1/17/24 1:14 PM, Khristine Ann Ramella wrote: Hi there! So I opened my gnu cash this am and all of my credit card accounts show huge balances. My checking still shows them as paid, but all liabilities look as if they never rcd a payment. It was fine when i closed it the other day. A glitch in the matrix? ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
Re: [GNC] Liability Balances - All payments disappeared
On 1/17/2024 2:14 PM, Khristine Ann Ramella wrote: Hi there! So I opened my gnu cash this am and all of my credit card accounts show huge balances. My checking still shows them as paid, but all liabilities look as if they never rcd a payment. It was fine when i closed it the other day. A glitch in the matrix? Thanks! Khris Ramella So your checking account shows transactions. Well take a look at those transactions to see what the debit side accounts were. And we are just talking about your books, yes? not what on-line banking on-line credit cards shows << in other words, YOUR books as opposed to the books of the banks >> Michael D Novack ___ gnucash-user mailing list gnucash-user@gnucash.org To update your subscription preferences or to unsubscribe: https://lists.gnucash.org/mailman/listinfo/gnucash-user - Please remember to CC this list on all your replies. You can do this by using Reply-To-List or Reply-All.
