Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn - solved

[Jeff]

My mistake I suppose.  Every program I have ever used uses Ctrl-PgDn to 
go to the end of the file at the first entry point and Ctrl-PgUp to go 
to the top of the file at the first entry.  GNC seems to have a 
different hotkey combination for this behavior.  I have never ran across 
another program that uses Shft-PgDn to go to the bottom of the file or 
Shft-PgUp to go to the first entry.


Shft-PgUp and Shft-PgDn are used to select everything from the current 
caret to top of file or bottom of file for copy/cut in all other 
programs that I have ever used.


A habit that I will have to break when using GNC.  I just tested it and 
in fact Shft-PgDn does take me where I want it to.


Thank you for explaining in John Ralls.

case closed

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My mistake

On 3/25/22 1:42 PM, John Ralls wrote:

Since when is control-page down the "official key combo"? See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_txns.html#txns-register-oview, 
section 2.9.2.4 Using Entry Shortcuts:
"
• To move around the register, use these keys to save time:

• Tab to move to the next field, Shift+Tab to move to the 
previous field

• Home to move to the beginning of the field, End to move to 
the end of the field

• Enter or ↓ to move to the next transaction, ↑ to move to the 
previous transaction

• Page Up to move up one screen, Page Down to move down one 
screen

• Shift+Page Up to go to the first transaction, Shift+Page Down 
to go to the last transaction


"

Regards,
John Ralls


On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
 wrote:

Indeed, shift-fn-down_arrow drops me to a blank transaction with the focus on 
the date field. Thanks!

I still think it a bug that the official key combo doesn't work properly. I 
thought one was filed already but can't seem to find it.

Note, it isn't just the key combo not working. Using Action > Blank Transaction 
also takes you to the first Action Field rather than the date field. So it is the 
underlying function that doesn't work.

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/25/22 6:25 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:

Having not investigated a quick way of getting to a new blank transaction 
before, Ive done some experimenting on my iMac (GNC 4.9 + Big Sur).
fn-uptriangle   Top of current register screen
fn-downtriangle Bottom of current register screen
Shift-fn-uptriangle Earliest transaction in register
Shift-fn-downtriangle   Bottom of current register, blank transaction
If I use the extra cluster of nine keys on the wide keyboard:
Shift-uparrow   Earliest transaction in register
Shift-downarrow Bottom of current register, blank transaction
All I have to do now is remember these the next time I need them!

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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Adrien Monteleone]

Actions > Blank Transaction has cmd-pgdn as the key combo. I'd hazard it 
is ctrl-pgdn other than Mac.


I recall now one of your replies in a previous thread or maybe a bug 
about this. And indeed shift-pgdn does bring you to the Blank 
Transaction with focus on the date field. But the one listed as in the 
menu does not.


So maybe the bug is the wrong key-combo is shown in the menu? Except 
choosing the menu option directly drops you to the first Action field 
rather than the Date. So while you end up in the same new blank 
transaction, you end up in a different field.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/25/22 1:42 PM, John Ralls wrote:

Since when is control-page down the "official key combo"? See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_txns.html#txns-register-oview, 
section 2.9.2.4 Using Entry Shortcuts:
"
• To move around the register, use these keys to save time:

• Tab to move to the next field, Shift+Tab to move to the 
previous field

• Home to move to the beginning of the field, End to move to 
the end of the field

• Enter or ↓ to move to the next transaction, ↑ to move to the 
previous transaction

• Page Up to move up one screen, Page Down to move down one 
screen

• Shift+Page Up to go to the first transaction, Shift+Page Down 
to go to the last transaction


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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[John Ralls]

Since when is control-page down the "official key combo"? See 
https://www.gnucash.org/docs/v4/C/gnucash-guide/chapter_txns.html#txns-register-oview,
 section 2.9.2.4 Using Entry Shortcuts:
"
• To move around the register, use these keys to save time:

• Tab to move to the next field, Shift+Tab to move to the 
previous field

• Home to move to the beginning of the field, End to move to 
the end of the field

• Enter or ↓ to move to the next transaction, ↑ to move to the 
previous transaction

• Page Up to move up one screen, Page Down to move down one 
screen

• Shift+Page Up to go to the first transaction, Shift+Page Down 
to go to the last transaction


"

Regards,
John Ralls

> On Mar 25, 2022, at 10:37 AM, Adrien Monteleone 
>  wrote:
> 
> Indeed, shift-fn-down_arrow drops me to a blank transaction with the focus on 
> the date field. Thanks!
> 
> I still think it a bug that the official key combo doesn't work properly. I 
> thought one was filed already but can't seem to find it.
> 
> Note, it isn't just the key combo not working. Using Action > Blank 
> Transaction also takes you to the first Action Field rather than the date 
> field. So it is the underlying function that doesn't work.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien
> 
> On 3/25/22 6:25 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
>> Having not investigated a quick way of getting to a new blank transaction 
>> before, Ive done some experimenting on my iMac (GNC 4.9 + Big Sur).
>> fn-uptriangleTop of current register screen
>> fn-downtriangle  Bottom of current register screen
>> Shift-fn-uptriangle  Earliest transaction in register
>> Shift-fn-downtriangleBottom of current register, blank transaction
>> If I use the extra cluster of nine keys on the wide keyboard:
>> Shift-uparrowEarliest transaction in register
>> Shift-downarrow  Bottom of current register, blank transaction
>> All I have to do now is remember these the next time I need them!
> 
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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Adrien Monteleone]

Indeed, shift-fn-down_arrow drops me to a blank transaction with the 
focus on the date field. Thanks!


I still think it a bug that the official key combo doesn't work 
properly. I thought one was filed already but can't seem to find it.


Note, it isn't just the key combo not working. Using Action > Blank 
Transaction also takes you to the first Action Field rather than the 
date field. So it is the underlying function that doesn't work.


Regards,
Adrien

On 3/25/22 6:25 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:

Having not investigated a quick way of getting to a new blank transaction 
before, Ive done some experimenting on my iMac (GNC 4.9 + Big Sur).

fn-uptriangle   Top of current register screen
fn-downtriangle Bottom of current register screen
Shift-fn-uptriangle Earliest transaction in register
Shift-fn-downtriangle   Bottom of current register, blank transaction

If I use the extra cluster of nine keys on the wide keyboard:

Shift-uparrow   Earliest transaction in register
Shift-downarrow Bottom of current register, blank transaction

All I have to do now is remember these the next time I need them!


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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Michael Hendry]

As an alternative way to enter several transactions earlier than the current 
date and leave the cursor at the bottom, you could try filtering the current 
view of an account in the register so that only the most recent transactions 
are visible. That way, when you complete the historic transaction, it will be 
filtered out and the cursor will stay on a blank transaction at the bottom of 
the screen.

Michael


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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Michael Hendry]

On 25 Mar 2022, at 01:45, Adrien Monteleone  
wrote:

> 
> I don't think the date itself is relevant. What you want is to get to a new 
> blank transaction, correct?
> 
> I have the same problem using 4.9 on MacOS BigSur. I'm not sure when this 
> started. As far as I know, there is no preference.
> 
> There is a preference for using the 'Enter' key for this function, but that 
> might not be desirable.
> 
> I guess try playing with that and see if it works to your liking.
> 
> But I'd say it is a bug.
> 
> Regards,
> Adrien

Having not investigated a quick way of getting to a new blank transaction 
before, Ive done some experimenting on my iMac (GNC 4.9 + Big Sur).

fn-uptriangle   Top of current register screen
fn-downtriangle Bottom of current register screen
Shift-fn-uptriangle Earliest transaction in register
Shift-fn-downtriangle   Bottom of current register, blank transaction

If I use the extra cluster of nine keys on the wide keyboard:

Shift-uparrow   Earliest transaction in register
Shift-downarrow Bottom of current register, blank transaction

All I have to do now is remember these the next time I need them!

Michael

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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Jeff]

Thank you Adrien. I will report it as a bug.  This has happened 
throughout numerous versions of GNC.  It is more of an irritation on my 
part, as my financial imports do not always match receipts entered.  
Welcome to the world of Murphy's Law, everything that can go wrong will 
go wrong (A physicists favorite right of passage).


On 3/24/22 8:45 PM, Adrien Monteleone wrote:
I don't think the date itself is relevant. What you want is to get to 
a new blank transaction, correct?


I have the same problem using 4.9 on MacOS BigSur. I'm not sure when 
this started. As far as I know, there is no preference.


There is a preference for using the 'Enter' key for this function, but 
that might not be desirable.


I guess try playing with that and see if it works to your liking.

But I'd say it is a bug.

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/23/22 6:34 PM, Jeff wrote:
I'm talking about entering transactions in prior months, not adding 
new sequential transactions at the end of the journal.


On 3/23/22 4:45 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

Wouldn't pressing  be easier than Ctrl+PgDn?


On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Jeff > wrote:


    Running:

    Version: 4.9
    Build ID: Flathub 4.9-2
    Finance::Quote: 1.49GNC 4.9

    on Ubuntu.

    When I need to enter a new transaction (that I missed) and hit
    ctrl-PgDn
    it throws me to the bottom of the register as expected. But the
    caret is
    on the third number line down, not in the date column where I would
    expect it to.

    Is there a simple fix to change this behavior?  I have the default
    view
    set for view double line, transactional.

    --     --JEffrey Black M.B.A.



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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Adrien Monteleone]

I don't think the date itself is relevant. What you want is to get to a 
new blank transaction, correct?


I have the same problem using 4.9 on MacOS BigSur. I'm not sure when 
this started. As far as I know, there is no preference.


There is a preference for using the 'Enter' key for this function, but 
that might not be desirable.


I guess try playing with that and see if it works to your liking.

But I'd say it is a bug.

Regards,
Adrien

On 3/23/22 6:34 PM, Jeff wrote:
I'm talking about entering transactions in prior months, not adding new 
sequential transactions at the end of the journal.


On 3/23/22 4:45 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

Wouldn't pressing  be easier than Ctrl+PgDn?


On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Jeff > wrote:


    Running:

    Version: 4.9
    Build ID: Flathub 4.9-2
    Finance::Quote: 1.49GNC 4.9

    on Ubuntu.

    When I need to enter a new transaction (that I missed) and hit
    ctrl-PgDn
    it throws me to the bottom of the register as expected. But the
    caret is
    on the third number line down, not in the date column where I would
    expect it to.

    Is there a simple fix to change this behavior?  I have the default
    view
    set for view double line, transactional.

    --     --JEffrey Black M.B.A.



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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Gyle McCollam]

You can enter them at the end with the correct date and gnucash will put them 
in date order where they belong,  even if it is months or even years ago.



Sent from Samsung Galaxy smartphone.



 Original message 
From: Jeff 
Date: 3/23/22 7:34 PM (GMT-05:00)
To: Glenn Fowler 
Cc: Gnucash userlist 
Subject: Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

I'm talking about entering transactions in prior months, not adding new
sequential transactions at the end of the journal.

On 3/23/22 4:45 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote:
> Wouldn't pressing  be easier than Ctrl+PgDn?
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Jeff  <mailto:beastmaster...@hotmail.com>> wrote:
>
> Running:
>
> Version: 4.9
> Build ID: Flathub 4.9-2
> Finance::Quote: 1.49GNC 4.9
>
> on Ubuntu.
>
> When I need to enter a new transaction (that I missed) and hit
> ctrl-PgDn
> it throws me to the bottom of the register as expected. But the
> caret is
> on the third number line down, not in the date column where I would
> expect it to.
>
> Is there a simple fix to change this behavior?  I have the default
> view
> set for view double line, transactional.
>
> --
> --JEffrey Black M.B.A.
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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Jeff]

I'm talking about entering transactions in prior months, not adding new 
sequential transactions at the end of the journal.


On 3/23/22 4:45 PM, Glenn Fowler wrote:

Wouldn't pressing  be easier than Ctrl+PgDn?


On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Jeff > wrote:


Running:

Version: 4.9
Build ID: Flathub 4.9-2
Finance::Quote: 1.49GNC 4.9

on Ubuntu.

When I need to enter a new transaction (that I missed) and hit
ctrl-PgDn
it throws me to the bottom of the register as expected. But the
caret is
on the third number line down, not in the date column where I would
expect it to.

Is there a simple fix to change this behavior?  I have the default
view
set for view double line, transactional.

-- 
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Re: [GNC] change default behavior of ctrl-PgDn

[Glenn Fowler]

Wouldn't pressing  be easier than Ctrl+PgDn?


On Wed, Mar 23, 2022 at 5:23 PM Jeff  wrote:

> Running:
>
> Version: 4.9
> Build ID: Flathub 4.9-2
> Finance::Quote: 1.49GNC 4.9
>
> on Ubuntu.
>
> When I need to enter a new transaction (that I missed) and hit ctrl-PgDn
> it throws me to the bottom of the register as expected. But the caret is
> on the third number line down, not in the date column where I would
> expect it to.
>
> Is there a simple fix to change this behavior?  I have the default view
> set for view double line, transactional.
>
> --
> --JEffrey Black M.B.A.
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