Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread David Cousens
Peter,

Q1  You can create transactions between any of your assets and liability
accounts at any time. The setup routine gives you the opportunity to do this
while setting upp the accounts. It is just a normal transaction but you
would normally create this at the date on which you open the books  with the
balances of the requisite external accounts at that date.

Q2.  Liabilities would not be kept under Equity in any accounting practice
anywhere. Your previous treasurer was not following any standard accounting
practice.  It will actually work since the debit and credit entries have the
same sense for Liability and Equity accounts, but it removes the ability of
the balance of the Equity accounts to reflect the overall financial state of
the set of books and a Balance Sheet report would be effectively useless
without external manipulation.

Q3 .Using the account numbering scheme is the way to make accounts appear in
a particular order within the standard top level account headings Assets,
Liabilities, Equity, Income and Expenses. There are standard numbering
scheme often used in some accounting practice. There are some discussions of
the reasons for numbering schemes and some standard practice at
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chart_of_accounts#:~:text=Account%20numbers%20are%20often%20five,%2C%22%20it%20is%20an%20asset.
and
https://www.accountingtools.com/articles/chart-of-accounts-numbering.html or
https://www.accountingcoach.com/chart-of-accounts/explanation. Some counties
require a particular order in the presentation of accounts in financial
reports. The account numbers in GnuCash are a multidigit number with no
internal punctuation AFAIK so make sure you have enough digits for the numbe
rof levels of sub-accounts in your account heirarchy.

David Cousens




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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Liz Dodd
On Sat, 16 Jan 2021 00:53:38 -0500
"Peter S. Shenkin"  wrote:

> 2. I wanted to keep Equity under Liabilities (only because the
> previous treasurer was doing this), but after I put it there (with
> the Opening Balances subaccount beneath it), GnuCash created a
> top-level Opening Balances account. When I delete it, it comes back.
> Is there a way I can use the schema with Equity under Liabilities?


Perhaps there is, but the difficulty you are finding suggests that this
may not be a good idea accounting wise.
Best advice is to see (or telephone) the accountant responsible for the
audit or other checks on the non-profit and set it up under their
guidance.

Liz
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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread David Cousens
Peter,
Just one other point. the numbering of the top level accounts will also
affect the order in which they appear in reports. I may have given the
impression that this wasn't the case in my first post.

David Cousens



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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Peter S. Shenkin
First, to all who responded, Thank you. Summary follows:

Q1: (Adding Opening Balances after setting up the account) Yes, using
transactions is the obvious solution. Clearly, I am an accounting newby as
well as a Gnucash newby.

Q2: (Whether I can keep Equities under Liabilities) I was told by the
previous treasurer (who is a finance guy) that this is the accepted
International (as opposed to GAAP) practice. Perhaps I misunderstood, but
I'm reverting back to keeping Equity separate, because that is what Gnucash
likes.

Q3: (How to order my accounts in my favored arbitrary order) It appears
that numbering them and then ordering by number is the only way.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 3:33 AM David Cousens 
wrote:

> Peter,
> Just one other point. the numbering of the top level accounts will also
> affect the order in which they appear in reports. I may have given the
> impression that this wasn't the case in my first post.
>
> David Cousens
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Re: [GNC] Changing end date on a saved report config option

2021-01-16 Thread Mahon Finbar
That's itI had done it before and it worked but, this time the 
display on the options>general page was a bit 'off' and so the 'apply' 
wasn't visible!!


After your message the light dawned and I set 'full screen' and there it 
was


Many thanks and a happy new year.

Barry

> On 15/01/2021 17:28:10, Michael or Penny Novack 
(stepbystepf...@comcast.net) wrote:

> > No way for us to know what you are doing wrong, but it SHOULD work.
>
> You run the report << wrong end date shows up >> You then use Edit +>
> Report Options and then the "general" tab. You should see there a way to
> specify start and end dates.
>
> If you were doing it this way, remember you have to "apply" etc. on the
> way back to make it stick. When I think I made a change but it didn't
> seem to happen, THAT (forgetting) is usually what the problem was.
>
> Michael D Novack
>
>
>
> On 1/14/2021 10:45 AM, Mahon Finbar wrote:
> > Sorry for the bother, the usual end of year issue
> >
> > I have an income report in the saved report configuration with an end
> > date of 1.09.2020.
> >
> > I need to change the end date to 31.12.2020.
> >
> > I thought I only needed to change the option, but it doesn't seem to
> > be working.
> >
> > What am I doing wrong?
> >
> > TIA, Barry
> >
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Re: [GNC] UK specific: MTD - Making Tax Digital

2021-01-16 Thread Geert Janssens
I would consider this a great addition to gnucash (even though I'm in Belgium 
and don't need 
this personally).

I have a few questions regarding the 'integration' though.

How exactly do you see this happen ?

Lots of subquestions in that regard:
1. How does HMRC "approve" a bridge for "production" ? And can the code of the 
bridge still 
change after approval without re-approval ? Is there a check on the resulting 
binary or do they 
use some other kind of validation ?

2. Do you intend to keep your bridge as a separate project, to which gnucash 
can interface ? 
Or would you like the functionality to become part of the gnucash code ?

3. Will you provide your integration (in whatever form) in a way that it's 
compatible with the 
GPL code (under which gnucash is released) ?

I'm asking mostly to get a better idea of how to proceed. For example if it 
should be part of 
the gnucash code, java is a stumbling block. GnuCash is mostly written in C(++) 
and guile. 
There is limited support for python integration on linux, but not on Windows or 
Macos.

If the HMRC bases its approval on the binary not changing, that also means 
C(++) would be 
difficult as we the resulting binary would be different on each platform and 
could change 
again with each build (depending on compiler versions for example).

I suppose all of that could be solved though, just starting off a more detailed 
discussion here. 
Or should such discussion move to gnucash-devel due to its more technical 
nature ?

Geert

Op donderdag 14 januari 2021 16:42:51 CET schreef chr...@floatdene.com:
> Hi Mark,
> 
> This is a bit of Java code that takes a csv input and then submits to HMRC
> and has been approved for production for over a year. I have been impressed
> with GnuCash and surprised that it does not have a MTD VAT submission
> option. It will require a bit of work to integrate with GnuCash and I am
> reluctant to do this if there is very limited interest!
> 
> Thanks to all who have responded so far. Let's leave it out there for a
> couple of weeks and see if there is any more interest.
> 
> Thanks,
> Chris
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> 
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread Michael Hendry
> On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson  wrote:
> 
> Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to search
> for plist or mru, for example.

I’ve found the relevant file here:

~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist

but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of recently-used 
files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which defaults to 4 on my 
iMac Catalina running 4.4.

I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to org.gnucash.history.file9 
contain fully qualified filenames for the ten books I have opened most 
recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10 could be supported if the 
default of 4 were changed.

There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s Preferences, 
so I’m stuck!

Regards,

Michael




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Re: [GNC] UK specific: MTD - Making Tax Digital

2021-01-16 Thread Mark
> Lots of subquestions in that regard:
> 1. How does HMRC "approve" a bridge for "production" ? And can the code of
> the bridge still
> change after approval without re-approval ?


There is an approval process. Anyone can get credentials on the sandbox
API, but the approval process applies to getting production credentials.
 I'm part-way through the process so I haven't seen it to the end yet.
There are some questionnaires to fill in, and HMRC verify that the API
usage is correct by looking at logs in the sandbox environment.

There are two types of application: "In-house" is used for an enterprise
which wants production access to submit their own VAT records. "Retail" is
used for a developer which creates a VAT product for other people to use.
I'm part-way through a retail  application.

The API reference is public online, but you get access to more detailed
documentation by submitting an application for production credentials.


> Is there a check on the resulting binary or do they
> use some other kind of validation ?
>

No, there is no validation of the binary / code itself.  The HTTP request
must meet what HMRC call the 'Fraud API' which is a bunch of headers
describing various things like the hardware, device ID, local IP/MAC
address, software version, etc. The internal use of these headers is not
defined, but I guess there's some anomaly detection for fraud/abuse
purposes.


> 2. Do you intend to keep your bridge as a separate project, to which
> gnucash can interface ?
> Or would you like the functionality to become part of the gnucash code ?
>
3. Will you provide your integration (in whatever form) in a way that it's
> compatible with the
> GPL code (under which gnucash is released) ?
>

The code I published at github.com/cybermaggedon/gnucash-uk-vat is a
separate bridge which uses the Python API, and licenced under GPL.  I would
be up for getting involved in an development to integrate a capability with
Gnucash if there's enough interest.

Mark.
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread David H
Hi David,

Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but it
doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.

My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
/Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
tinkering with

defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5 but
no luck so far

Cheers David H.

On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson 
wrote:

> Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
> suggestion was part way through the thread: <
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
> It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could find
> for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace setting.
>
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson 
> > wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
> > search
> > >> for plist or mru, for example.
> > > I’ve found the relevant file here:
> > >
> > > ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
> > >
> > > but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
> > recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
> > defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
> > >
> > > I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
> > org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the ten
> > books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10
> > could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
> > >
> > > There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
> > Preferences, so I’m stuck!
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > >
> > > Michael
> > Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
> > entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
> > name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in that
> > discussion.
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread Stephen M. Butler

On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:

On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson  wrote:

Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to search
for plist or mru, for example.

I’ve found the relevant file here:

~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist

but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of recently-used files 
for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which defaults to 4 on my iMac 
Catalina running 4.4.

I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to org.gnucash.history.file9 
contain fully qualified filenames for the ten books I have opened most 
recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10 could be supported if the 
default of 4 were changed.

There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s Preferences, 
so I’m stuck!

Regards,

Michael
Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key 
entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry 
name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in that 
discussion.



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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread David Carlson
Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
suggestion was part way through the thread: <
https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could find
for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace setting.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> >> On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
> search
> >> for plist or mru, for example.
> > I’ve found the relevant file here:
> >
> > ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
> >
> > but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
> >
> > I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the ten
> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10
> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
> >
> > There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
> >
> > Regards,
> >
> > Michael
> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
> name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in that
> discussion.
>
>
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread Peter S. Shenkin
On Big Sur, I have Gnucash installed directly under /Applications, which is
the default Installer option.

I either double-click the icon, or, in a Terminal window, type "open
/Applications/Gnucash.app".

If you have Gnucash.app installed somewhere else, just type open /Gnucash.app. Once it opens, the icon will appear in the side bar. You
can then right click on it and select Options > Keep in dock. From then on,
you can just click the icon.

FWIW (for geeks), I have a function set up in my .bashrc. The declaration
says:

appo() {
# "appo Foo" will recite "open /Applications/Foo.app"
open /Applications/$1.app
}


The comment (beginning with the # sign) tells how I start an app that's in
/Applications from a Terminal session. For Gnucash, I just say "appo
Gnucash". (The mnemonic is "app open".)

I hope the above helps.

-P.


On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:05 PM David H  wrote:

> Hi David,
>
> Yes tried it without and get "Couldn't find an application named "Gnucash";
> defaults unchanged" so it definitely seems to need the folder name in
> addition to the app name.  Might uninstall on my Macbook Pro later and
> re-install to apps folder only and see if it makes any difference.
>
> Cheers David H.
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 09:30, David Reiser  wrote:
>
> > Have you tried without the extra directory info?
> > man defaults says that the -app flag specifies the name of the app, not a
> > directory. I haven’t tested it myself, and the manfile is a bit vague on
> > details here. But since defaults write is writing to the pfile in
> Library,
> > it doesn’t have to know the location of Gnucash. Gnucash reads the pfile
> on
> > launch, so it shouldn’t matter where the app is stored.
> > --
> > Dave Reiser
> > dbrei...@icloud.com
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:54 PM, David H  wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi David,
> > >
> > > Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but it
> > > doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.
> > >
> > > My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
> > > /Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
> > > tinkering with
> > >
> > > defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5
> but
> > > no luck so far
> > >
> > > Cheers David H.
> > >
> > > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson <
> david.carlson@gmail.com
> > >
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > >> Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
> > >> suggestion was part way through the thread: <
> > >>
> >
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
> > >> It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could
> > find
> > >> for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace
> > setting.
> > >>
> > >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> > >> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > > On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson <
> david.carlson@gmail.com
> > >
> > >>> wrote:
> > >
> > > Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
> > >>> search
> > > for plist or mru, for example.
> >  I’ve found the relevant file here:
> > 
> >  ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
> > 
> >  but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
> > >>> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
> > >>> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
> > 
> >  I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
> > >>> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the
> ten
> > >>> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to
> 10
> > >>> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
> > 
> >  There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
> > >>> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
> > 
> >  Regards,
> > 
> >  Michael
> > >>> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
> > >>> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
> > >>> name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in
> that
> > >>> discussion.
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
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> > >>> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
> > >>> kg...@arrl.net
> > >>> 253-350-0166
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread David H
Hi David,

Yes tried it without and get "Couldn't find an application named "Gnucash";
defaults unchanged" so it definitely seems to need the folder name in
addition to the app name.  Might uninstall on my Macbook Pro later and
re-install to apps folder only and see if it makes any difference.

Cheers David H.


On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 09:30, David Reiser  wrote:

> Have you tried without the extra directory info?
> man defaults says that the -app flag specifies the name of the app, not a
> directory. I haven’t tested it myself, and the manfile is a bit vague on
> details here. But since defaults write is writing to the pfile in Library,
> it doesn’t have to know the location of Gnucash. Gnucash reads the pfile on
> launch, so it shouldn’t matter where the app is stored.
> --
> Dave Reiser
> dbrei...@icloud.com
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:54 PM, David H  wrote:
> >
> > Hi David,
> >
> > Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but it
> > doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.
> >
> > My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
> > /Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
> > tinkering with
> >
> > defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5 but
> > no luck so far
> >
> > Cheers David H.
> >
> > On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson  >
> > wrote:
> >
> >> Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
> >> suggestion was part way through the thread: <
> >>
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
> >> It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could
> find
> >> for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace
> setting.
> >>
> >> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> >> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> > On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson  >
> >>> wrote:
> >
> > Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
> >>> search
> > for plist or mru, for example.
>  I’ve found the relevant file here:
> 
>  ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
> 
>  but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
> >>> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
> >>> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
> 
>  I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
> >>> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the ten
> >>> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10
> >>> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
> 
>  There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
> >>> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
> 
>  Regards,
> 
>  Michael
> >>> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
> >>> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
> >>> name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in that
> >>> discussion.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM
> >>> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
> >>> kg...@arrl.net
> >>> 253-350-0166
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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Peter S. Shenkin
Hi, Andrien,

And thanks.

If you look back up to the last email of mine in this thread, you will see
that all the issues I mentioned have been successfully addressed.

I've now set up all my accounts and have created opening balances by means
of transactions involving each account together with Equity:Opening
Balances, as you (and others) suggested.

-P.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 10:35 PM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> On 1/15/21 11:53 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > I've recently volunteered to take over as treasurer of a non-profit. The
> > previous treasurer was keeping his accounts with a different (tty-based)
> > system and I wanted to try Gnucash instead.
> >
> > 1. After having set up my accounts, I looked at the documentation and saw
> > that Opening Balances are supposed to be entered when accounts are first
> > created. Is there a workaround, or do I have to go through the whole
> > account setup process again? And what do you do if you make a mistake!
> (No
> > transactions have been made so far.)
>
> There is nothing special about an Opening Balances entry. It is simply a
> transaction balanced between whatever account is in question and
> "Equity:Opening Balances", and can be entered at any time after the
> initial setup, if not done during setup.
> >
> > 2. I wanted to keep Equity under Liabilities (only because the previous
> > treasurer was doing this), but after I put it there (with the Opening
> > Balances subaccount beneath it), GnuCash created a top-level Opening
> > Balances account. When I delete it, it comes back. Is there a way I can
> use
> > the schema with Equity under Liabilities?
>
> I am not certain, but that is certainly not standard accounting
> behavior/practice as I understand it.
>
> The 'basic' accounting equation is: Assets = Liability + Equity
>
> Therefore, Equity is not a sub-account of Liability, but its own
> 'top-level' account. It should not be (maybe depending on legal
> jurisdiction) listed under Liability.
> >
> > 3. Is there a way to set the top-level display order of accounts other
> than
> > by using the "optional" account numbering scheme and ordering by the
> > numbers?
>
> Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Can you be more specific?
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread Peter S. Shenkin
Hi,

FWIW, I don't think anything I said was Big-Sur-specific, but I thought I'd
specify it, well, just because 

-P.

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 11:32 PM Peter West  wrote:

> I don’t have Big Sur, but I can just drag the icon from the Applications
> folder opened in FInder, onto the Dock. Then I can start Gnucash by
> double-clocking the icon in the dock. I suppoe it depends how busy you Dock
> is already.
>
> peter
>
> > On 17 Jan 2021, at 1:41 pm, Peter S. Shenkin  wrote:
> >
> > On Big Sur, I have Gnucash installed directly under /Applications, which
> is
> > the default Installer option.
> >
> > I either double-click the icon, or, in a Terminal window, type "open
> > /Applications/Gnucash.app".
> >
> > If you have Gnucash.app installed somewhere else, just type open  path
> > to>/Gnucash.app. Once it opens, the icon will appear in the side bar. You
> > can then right click on it and select Options > Keep in dock. From then
> on,
> > you can just click the icon.
> >
> > FWIW (for geeks), I have a function set up in my .bashrc. The declaration
> > says:
> >
> > appo() {
> ># "appo Foo" will recite "open /Applications/Foo.app"
> >open /Applications/$1.app
> > }
> >
> >
> > The comment (beginning with the # sign) tells how I start an app that's
> in
> > /Applications from a Terminal session. For Gnucash, I just say "appo
> > Gnucash". (The mnemonic is "app open".)
> >
> > I hope the above helps.
> >
> > -P.
> >
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:05 PM David H  wrote:
> >
> >> Hi David,
> >>
> >> Yes tried it without and get "Couldn't find an application named
> "Gnucash";
> >> defaults unchanged" so it definitely seems to need the folder name in
> >> addition to the app name.  Might uninstall on my Macbook Pro later and
> >> re-install to apps folder only and see if it makes any difference.
> >>
> >> Cheers David H.
> >>
> >>
> >> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 09:30, David Reiser  wrote:
> >>
> >>> Have you tried without the extra directory info?
> >>> man defaults says that the -app flag specifies the name of the app,
> not a
> >>> directory. I haven’t tested it myself, and the manfile is a bit vague
> on
> >>> details here. But since defaults write is writing to the pfile in
> >> Library,
> >>> it doesn’t have to know the location of Gnucash. Gnucash reads the
> pfile
> >> on
> >>> launch, so it shouldn’t matter where the app is stored.
> >>> --
> >>> Dave Reiser
> >>> dbrei...@icloud.com
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
>  On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:54 PM, David H  wrote:
> 
>  Hi David,
> 
>  Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but
> it
>  doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.
> 
>  My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
>  /Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
>  tinkering with
> 
>  defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5
> >> but
>  no luck so far
> 
>  Cheers David H.
> 
>  On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson <
> >> david.carlson@gmail.com
> 
>  wrote:
> 
> > Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.
> This
> > suggestion was part way through the thread: <
> >
> >>>
> >>
> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
> > It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I
> could
> >>> find
> > for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace
> >>> setting.
> >
> > On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> > stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
>  On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson <
> >> david.carlson@gmail.com
> 
> >> wrote:
> 
>  Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed
> to
> >> search
>  for plist or mru, for example.
> >>> I’ve found the relevant file here:
> >>>
> >>> ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
> >>>
> >>> but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
> >> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"),
> which
> >> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
> >>>
> >>> I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
> >> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the
> >> ten
> >> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to
> >> 10
> >> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
> >>>
> >>> There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
> >> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
> >>>
> >>> Regards,
> >>>
> >>> Michael
> >> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
> >> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
> >> name/value pair in order to 

Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Adrien Monteleone
Apologies for the 'noise' Peter. At the time I sent my reply, I didn't 
see *any* answers to your questions. (which appears to be an issue with 
how I access the mailing list, not you or those who replied.) I'm glad 
you've got it worked out.


Regards,
Adrien

On 1/16/21 9:49 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:

Hi, Andrien,

And thanks.

If you look back up to the last email of mine in this thread, you will see
that all the issues I mentioned have been successfully addressed.

I've now set up all my accounts and have created opening balances by means
of transactions involving each account together with Equity:Opening
Balances, as you (and others) suggested.


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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Peter S. Shenkin
No apology needed. It happens to all of us. 

-P.

On Sun, Jan 17, 2021 at 1:07 AM Adrien Monteleone <
adrien.montele...@lusfiber.net> wrote:

> Apologies for the 'noise' Peter. At the time I sent my reply, I didn't
> see *any* answers to your questions. (which appears to be an issue with
> how I access the mailing list, not you or those who replied.) I'm glad
> you've got it worked out.
>
> Regards,
> Adrien
>
> On 1/16/21 9:49 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:
> > Hi, Andrien,
> >
> > And thanks.
> >
> > If you look back up to the last email of mine in this thread, you will
> see
> > that all the issues I mentioned have been successfully addressed.
> >
> > I've now set up all my accounts and have created opening balances by
> means
> > of transactions involving each account together with Equity:Opening
> > Balances, as you (and others) suggested.
>
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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread David Reiser via gnucash-user
Have you tried without the extra directory info? 
man defaults says that the -app flag specifies the name of the app, not a 
directory. I haven’t tested it myself, and the manfile is a bit vague on 
details here. But since defaults write is writing to the pfile in Library, it 
doesn’t have to know the location of Gnucash. Gnucash reads the pfile on 
launch, so it shouldn’t matter where the app is stored.
--
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dbrei...@icloud.com





> On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:54 PM, David H  wrote:
> 
> Hi David,
> 
> Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but it
> doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.
> 
> My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
> /Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
> tinkering with
> 
> defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5 but
> no luck so far
> 
> Cheers David H.
> 
> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson 
> wrote:
> 
>> Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
>> suggestion was part way through the thread: <
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
>> It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could find
>> for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace setting.
>> 
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
>> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
> On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson 
>>> wrote:
> 
> Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
>>> search
> for plist or mru, for example.
 I’ve found the relevant file here:
 
 ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
 
 but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
>>> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
>>> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
 
 I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
>>> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the ten
>>> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to 10
>>> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
 
 There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
>>> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
 
 Regards,
 
 Michael
>>> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
>>> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
>>> name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in that
>>> discussion.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Stephen M Butler, PMP, PSM
>>> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
>>> kg...@arrl.net
>>> 253-350-0166
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Re: [GNC] Newby questions opening accounts

2021-01-16 Thread Adrien Monteleone

On 1/15/21 11:53 PM, Peter S. Shenkin wrote:

Hi

I've recently volunteered to take over as treasurer of a non-profit. The
previous treasurer was keeping his accounts with a different (tty-based)
system and I wanted to try Gnucash instead.

1. After having set up my accounts, I looked at the documentation and saw
that Opening Balances are supposed to be entered when accounts are first
created. Is there a workaround, or do I have to go through the whole
account setup process again? And what do you do if you make a mistake! (No
transactions have been made so far.)


There is nothing special about an Opening Balances entry. It is simply a 
transaction balanced between whatever account is in question and 
"Equity:Opening Balances", and can be entered at any time after the 
initial setup, if not done during setup.


2. I wanted to keep Equity under Liabilities (only because the previous
treasurer was doing this), but after I put it there (with the Opening
Balances subaccount beneath it), GnuCash created a top-level Opening
Balances account. When I delete it, it comes back. Is there a way I can use
the schema with Equity under Liabilities?


I am not certain, but that is certainly not standard accounting 
behavior/practice as I understand it.


The 'basic' accounting equation is: Assets = Liability + Equity

Therefore, Equity is not a sub-account of Liability, but its own 
'top-level' account. It should not be (maybe depending on legal 
jurisdiction) listed under Liability.


3. Is there a way to set the top-level display order of accounts other than
by using the "optional" account numbering scheme and ordering by the
numbers?


Not sure what you are trying to accomplish. Can you be more specific?

Regards,
Adrien

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Re: [GNC] Recent list in file menu

2021-01-16 Thread Peter West
I don’t have Big Sur, but I can just drag the icon from the Applications folder 
opened in FInder, onto the Dock. Then I can start Gnucash by double-clocking 
the icon in the dock. I suppoe it depends how busy you Dock is already.

peter

> On 17 Jan 2021, at 1:41 pm, Peter S. Shenkin  wrote:
> 
> On Big Sur, I have Gnucash installed directly under /Applications, which is
> the default Installer option.
> 
> I either double-click the icon, or, in a Terminal window, type "open
> /Applications/Gnucash.app".
> 
> If you have Gnucash.app installed somewhere else, just type open  to>/Gnucash.app. Once it opens, the icon will appear in the side bar. You
> can then right click on it and select Options > Keep in dock. From then on,
> you can just click the icon.
> 
> FWIW (for geeks), I have a function set up in my .bashrc. The declaration
> says:
> 
> appo() {
># "appo Foo" will recite "open /Applications/Foo.app"
>open /Applications/$1.app
> }
> 
> 
> The comment (beginning with the # sign) tells how I start an app that's in
> /Applications from a Terminal session. For Gnucash, I just say "appo
> Gnucash". (The mnemonic is "app open".)
> 
> I hope the above helps.
> 
> -P.
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:05 PM David H  wrote:
> 
>> Hi David,
>> 
>> Yes tried it without and get "Couldn't find an application named "Gnucash";
>> defaults unchanged" so it definitely seems to need the folder name in
>> addition to the app name.  Might uninstall on my Macbook Pro later and
>> re-install to apps folder only and see if it makes any difference.
>> 
>> Cheers David H.
>> 
>> 
>> On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 09:30, David Reiser  wrote:
>> 
>>> Have you tried without the extra directory info?
>>> man defaults says that the -app flag specifies the name of the app, not a
>>> directory. I haven’t tested it myself, and the manfile is a bit vague on
>>> details here. But since defaults write is writing to the pfile in
>> Library,
>>> it doesn’t have to know the location of Gnucash. Gnucash reads the pfile
>> on
>>> launch, so it shouldn’t matter where the app is stored.
>>> --
>>> Dave Reiser
>>> dbrei...@icloud.com
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
 On Jan 16, 2021, at 5:54 PM, David H  wrote:
 
 Hi David,
 
 Been playing around with that exact same setting for a while now but it
 doesn't seem to work on my Big Sur / Gnucash 4.4 system.
 
 My setup is slightly different in that I installed Gnucash in
 /Applications/GnuCash as opposed to /Applications itself, so I've been
 tinkering with
 
 defaults write -app GnuCash/Gnucash "/org/gnucash/history/maxfiles" 5
>> but
 no luck so far
 
 Cheers David H.
 
 On Sun, 17 Jan 2021 at 07:52, David Carlson <
>> david.carlson@gmail.com
 
 wrote:
 
> Searching the archives of this list I found a thread a year ago.  This
> suggestion was part way through the thread: <
> 
>>> 
>> https://lists.gnucash.org/pipermail/gnucash-user/2020-January/089080.html>
> It seems to be only for Mac computers so there is no info that I could
>>> find
> for Linux or Windoze.  For either it might be an OS or workspace
>>> setting.
> 
> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 12:51 PM Stephen M. Butler <
> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 1/16/21 9:15 AM, Michael Hendry wrote:
 On 15 Jan 2021, at 03:30, David Carlson <
>> david.carlson@gmail.com
 
>> wrote:
 
 Maybe I searched for the wrong term.  I would never have guessed to
>> search
 for plist or mru, for example.
>>> I’ve found the relevant file here:
>>> 
>>> ~/Library/Preferences/org.gnucash.Gnucash.plist
>>> 
>>> but I can’t locate the Key that defines the maximum number of
>> recently-used files for display (hereinafter called “MRU_MAX"), which
>> defaults to 4 on my iMac Catalina running 4.4.
>>> 
>>> I notice that the Keys org.gnucash.history.file0 to
>> org.gnucash.history.file9 contain fully qualified filenames for the
>> ten
>> books I have opened most recently, which suggests that MRU_MAX up to
>> 10
>> could be supported if the default of 4 were changed.
>>> 
>>> There seems not to ba a way of adjusting MRU_MAX using GnuCash’s
>> Preferences, so I’m stuck!
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> Michael
>> Check the recent archives as I remember a discussion that if the key
>> entry doesn't exist, it defaults to 4.  You have to create the entry
>> name/value pair in order to change it.  They gave the key name in
>> that
>> discussion.
>> 
>> 
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>> stephen.m.butle...@gmail.com
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[GNC] Configuring Automatic Retrieval Quotes error

2021-01-16 Thread Denise Ufkes
Hello,
I am just starting to set up GnuCash and want to set it up to automatically 
update mutual fund prices.  I followed the instructions in the manual as show 
here, but got the following error.  I can see the file it is looking for, but 
don't know why access is being denied.

Can you help?
Thanks.Dee










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