Re: moving user ID Comments to --expert mode

2011-02-04 Thread Jameson Rollins
On Fri, 4 Feb 2011 20:08:08 +, MFPA  wrote:
> IMHO, the comment field is firmly in the "you don't need this at all"
> category. If Heinrich Heine really wants his UID to be
> "Heinrich Heine (Der Dichter) " he can
> type "Heinrich Heine (Der Dichter)" in the name field and
> "heinri...@duesseldorf.de" in the email address field.

I *very* strongly agree with this sentiment.

jamie.


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Re: moving user ID Comments to --expert mode

2011-02-04 Thread MFPA
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Hi


On Thursday 3 February 2011 at 11:22:54 PM, in
, Doug Barton wrote:



> FWIW I would love to see the comment field moved to
> expert mode since it rather clearly qualifies under the
> "If you don't already know that you need this, you
> don't need this" category

IMHO, the comment field is firmly in the "you don't need this at all"
category. If Heinrich Heine really wants his UID to be
"Heinrich Heine (Der Dichter) " he can
type "Heinrich Heine (Der Dichter)" in the name field and
"heinri...@duesseldorf.de" in the email address field.

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Re: moving user ID Comments to --expert mode

2011-02-04 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Thursday 03 February 2011, Matthew James Goins wrote:
> Personally I've never seen a comment that helped me identify the
> owner of a key in a meaningful way.

In my keyring there are several keys where the comment contains the date 
of birth (and in some cases even the place of birth) of the owner of the 
key.


Regards,
Ingo


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Re: moving user ID Comments to --expert mode

2011-02-04 Thread Micah Anderson
Daniel Kahn Gillmor  writes:

> I'd like to propose that GnuPG only prompt the user for a "Comment" for
> their User ID under --expert mode.

I totally agree with this proposal. If someone wants to add a comment,
they should be able to, but I believe that prompting for this on every
key generation is a user interface mistake.

micah


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Re: moving user ID Comments to --expert mode

2011-02-04 Thread Daniel Kahn Gillmor
On 02/04/2011 01:12 AM, Werner Koch wrote:
> Many might nor know that
> there is a help feature for every input field:

Indeed, i had no idea that this was the case.  Thanks for the tip.

> but many more users are using a GUI for key generation and thus it is up
> to the GUI to preset the comment field.  For example GPA uses in
> non-advanced mode a wizard dialog for key generation and that one does
> not ask for comment.

Yep, fixing the GUIs is a separate task, and i agree it's a worthwhile
one.   I'll take it up with the GUIs i encounter.

> I don't have any strong feelings about this, however, here is my own
> proposal:
> 
>   GnuPG needs to construct a user ID to identify your key.
>   
>   Real name: d
>   Email address: @
>   You selected this USER-ID:
>   "d "
>   
>   Change (N)ame, (C)omment, (E)mail or (O)kay/(Q)uit? c
>   Comment: test key
>   You selected this USER-ID:
>   "d (test key) "
>   
>   Change (N)ame, (C)omment, (E)mail or (O)kay/(Q)uit? q

This change in behavior sounds reasonable to me.

> No expert option and no translation changes required,

Some translation changes might still be worth doing; I would like to see
the example User ID lose the comment (including "(Der Dichter)" in an
english prompt is not helpful), and i think the wording should also be
adjusted, since the User ID does not identify the key -- it identifies
the user.  But i'll happily pursue translation changes as a separate
topic if we can do away with the Comment prompt by default.

> The drawback is as with the --expert option:
> we will receive bug reports like "I can't enter a comment anymore" ;-).

i'm sure that's true :(  We can point them at this discussion, though.

Regards,

--dkg



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