RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data
Yes, conspiracy to commit terrorism, or assisting terrorist organizations are federal felony crimes in the US. PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." -- Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -- Seneca "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 10:25:25 -0400 > From: d...@fifthhorseman.net > To: ce...@hotmail.com > CC: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data > > On 08/13/2009 08:40 AM, the dragon wrote: > > > And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing > > to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - > > they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. > > Some of them may molest children and some may want to be terrorists (is > wanting to be a terrorist illegal in your jurisdiction?). Some of them > may simply be accused of doing these things (or of other activities > which you might find more or less offensive than molestation or > terrorism-wanting). And perhaps they are accused incorrectly. > > It sounds like the innocent accused will still be at risk of conviction > (for violating RIPA if not for their alleged crimes) if they choose to > maintain personal and data privacy in the face of these accusations. > > > encrytion is about maintaining personal and data > > privacy; it's not about having a tool to break the law. > > It sounds like the UK has made laws that target users of encryption > whether or not those users have actually broken other laws. So in that > sense, encryption *is* about having a tool to break the law, at least in > the UK :( > > --dkg > _ Windows Live™: Keep your life in sync. http://windowslive.com/explore?ocid=PID23384::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:NF_BR_sync:082009___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data
If you're in control of the computer the files reside on, and were in control of it when the files were created and last accessed, the chances that you *don't* know the key for the encryption is so slim as to be nonexistant. peace, clark PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." -- Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -- Seneca "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 14:30:01 +0100 > From: dave.sm...@st.com > To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data > > On Thu, Aug 13, 2009 at 06:59:55AM -0400, Charly Avital wrote: > > Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: > > > Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases used > > > to protect files, or secret keys... > > > > "Two people have been successfully prosecuted for *refusing* to provide > > U.K..." > > You are, of course, assuming that the reporting is correct in its > implication that the defendants either admitted to having access to the > keys, or that it has been proven that they do have the keys. > > I remember a lot of discussion at the time that the RIP bill was being > pushed through about the difficulty of proving that you don't have > access to a particular piece of information. > > The RIPA is a particularly nasty piece of legislation in this respect. > > -- > David Smith | Tel: +44 (0)1454 462380 Home: +44 (0)1454 616963 > STMicroelectronics | Fax: +44 (0)1454 462305 Mobile: +44 (0)7932 642724 > 1000 Aztec West | TINA: 065 2380 GPG Key: 0xF13192F2 > Almondsbury | Work Email: dave.sm...@st.com > BRISTOL, BS32 4SQ | Home Email: david.sm...@ds-electronics.co.uk > > ___ > Gnupg-users mailing list > Gnupg-users@gnupg.org > http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users _ Express your personality in color! Preview and select themes for Hotmail®. http://www.windowslive-hotmail.com/LearnMore/personalize.aspx?ocid=PID23391::T:WLMTAGL:ON:WL:en-US:WM_HYGN_express:082009___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
RE: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data
oops, didn't reply all... And if you look at the cases reported, these are not system admins refusing to divulge data, or even regular people trying to protect their privacy - they are child molestors and wanna-be terrorists. encrytion is about maintaining personal and data privacy; it's not about having a tool to break the law. PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." -- Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -- Seneca "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony > Date: Thu, 13 Aug 2009 06:59:55 -0400 > From: shavi...@mac.com > Subject: Re: Two convicted in U.K. for refusal to decrypt data > To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org > > Faramir wrote the following on 8/13/09 3:32 AM: > [...] > >> Unfortunately, it is not unusual people forgets the passphrases used >> to protect files, or secret keys... >> >> Best Regards > > > "Two people have been successfully prosecuted for *refusing* to provide > U.K..." > > Charly > > ___ > Gnupg-users mailing list > Gnupg-users@gnupg.org > http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users _ Get your vacation photos on your phone! http://windowsliveformobile.com/en-us/photos/default.aspx?&OCID=0809TL-HM ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
RE: where i can download gpgsm?
google is your friend. I'd look here http://packages.debian.org/unstable/utils/gpgsm peace, clark 'the dragon' willis PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." -- Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) It is impossible to defeat an ignorant man in argument. -- William G. McAdoo Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful. -- Seneca "I distrust those people who know so well what God wants them to do because I notice it always coincides with their own desires." - Susan B. Anthony Original Message Follows hi everybody,i want to find a gpgsmi didnt see him in ftp site of gnupg or intevation, i missed it?? can somebody please explain where, i can get this gpgsm?? thanks you _ http://liveearth.msn.com ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Transparent keyboards
I suspect, with enough horsepower and resources, any encrytion can be broken. I am sure, at one point, all encrytion was thought to be unbreakable. peace, clark 'the dragon' willis PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) Original Message Follows Jean-David Beyer wrote: >I imagine if the NSA really wanted to decrypt a gpg-encrypted message, they >have the resources to do it. It would probably take them a while if they had >to use brute force No, they can's do it by brute force. Look even at the power requirements to do such a calculation: we're talking about an energy consumption that is more that the entire sun will radiate during its entire lifetime. I'm pretty sure that's beyond anything even the NSA can deploy. If they are able to decrypt pgp/gpg, it will be because they either broke an algorithm or implementation of it, or they have obtained the key by other means (keylogger, hidden camera, tempest, virus, torture). ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Transparent keyboards
This thread is taking a turn to the absurd, and I have been thinking about it. I fully support the ability to maintain your right to privacy, such as the government has granted you, to it's fullest. However, if you're involved in a terrorist movement, and it appear the original poster is if the government is involved in one, even if it's under the guise of "animal rights" (as if they have any), then I support the ability of law enforcement to investigate, prosecute and convict the peretrator. Good grief, if you need to be that paranoid, then maybe you should find a more legal cause to be involved in. peace, clark 'the dragon' willis PSA: Salary <> Slavery. If you earn a salary, your employer is renting your services for 40 hours a week, not purchasing your soul. Your time is the only real finite asset that you have, and once used it can never be recovered, so don't waste it by giving it away. I work to live; I don't live to work. "Time is the coin of your life. It is the only coin you have, and only you can determine how it will be spent. Be careful lest you let other people spend it for you." Carl Sandburg (1878 - 1967) ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
