Re: GPG on Android

[john doe]

On 11/9/2018 6:58 AM, Arthur Ulfeldt wrote:
> for years I've been using openkeychain and keeping a signing and encryption
> subkey on an nfc yubikey.  when I went to use encrypted email on the phone
> (which is basically only from Facebook) I tap the key to the back of the
> phone. if I want to read the same email on my laptop I plug out in there.
> it's been smooth and solid for years.
> 
> recently I got a yubikey 4 which i plug into the USB port on the phone. it
> works just as well. I slightly preferred the NFC version.
> 
> On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:40 AM amuza  
>>
>>
>> john doe:
>>> On 11/4/2018 10:55 PM, Roland wrote:
 Hello list,

 I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of
>> storing a secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc)
>>>
>>> In case of theft/lost using subkey is somewhat easier because you can
>>> revoke that subkey only.
>>>
>>
>> An encrypted Replicant phone [0] + K-9 Mail + Openkeychain using subkeys
>>
>> [0] https://replicant.us/
>>
>

When I said above that subkey is easier to manage I was talking only
about signing subkey, that is, one signing subkey per device.
That is based on the assumption that you can have only one encryption
subkey and multiple signing subkeys.

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Re: GPG on Android

[Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users]

Hi,

> On Monday 5 November 2018 at 7:59:05 AM, in
> , Wiktor
> Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users wrote:-
> 
> 
>>> Could a pincard be connected via micro USB? And
>>> made to work?
> 
> Or by NFC. For example, [0]
> 
> [0] 

Yes, personally I'm using the Fidesmo card as it fits nicely in the wallet 
(credit card format).

But if having 4096-bit RSA keys is important Yubikey 5C is also an option.

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Re: GPG on Android

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>> Could a pincard be connected via micro USB? And
>> made to work?

Or by NFC. For example, [0]

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Re: GPG on Android

[Arthur Ulfeldt]

for years I've been using openkeychain and keeping a signing and encryption
subkey on an nfc yubikey.  when I went to use encrypted email on the phone
(which is basically only from Facebook) I tap the key to the back of the
phone. if I want to read the same email on my laptop I plug out in there.
it's been smooth and solid for years.

recently I got a yubikey 4 which i plug into the USB port on the phone. it
works just as well. I slightly preferred the NFC version.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018, 7:40 AM amuza 
>
> john doe:
> > On 11/4/2018 10:55 PM, Roland wrote:
> >> Hello list,
> >>
> >> I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of
> storing a secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc)
> >
> > In case of theft/lost using subkey is somewhat easier because you can
> > revoke that subkey only.
> >
>
> An encrypted Replicant phone [0] + K-9 Mail + Openkeychain using subkeys
>
> [0] https://replicant.us/
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Re: GPG on Android

[amuza]

john doe:
> On 11/4/2018 10:55 PM, Roland wrote:
>> Hello list,
>>
>> I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of storing 
>> a secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc) 
> 
> In case of theft/lost using subkey is somewhat easier because you can
> revoke that subkey only.
> 

An encrypted Replicant phone [0] + K-9 Mail + Openkeychain using subkeys

[0] https://replicant.us/

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Re: GPG on Android

[Juergen Bruckner]

Hi Werner

I know its not the perfect setup, but it is practicable for me, and as i
usually just work with subkeys i feel on a more safe side with this.
Tokens are always a good idea, and if anyone can use them its
recommended to do it that way.

There are good reasons why GPG supports Tokens/Cards by default ;)

best regards
Juergen

Am 05.11.18 um 10:41 schrieb Werner Koch:
> On Sun,  4 Nov 2018 23:20, juer...@bruckner.tk said:
> 
>> I for myself did configure MailDroid that way, that for each
>> crypto-operation, decrypt, sign, encrypt I have to enter my passwort
>> each time.
> 
> That does not help.  A bugged phone will for sure employ a keylogger and
> thus you can also work without a passphrase.  To protect your key you
> need to move the key to a separate hardware device (aka token).  This
> may not help to protect you messages but at least you token must be close
> to the device so that an attacker can make use of your keys.
> 
> 
> Shalom-Salam,
> 
>Werner
> 
> 

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Re: GPG on Android

[Werner Koch]

On Sun,  4 Nov 2018 23:20, juer...@bruckner.tk said:

> I for myself did configure MailDroid that way, that for each
> crypto-operation, decrypt, sign, encrypt I have to enter my passwort
> each time.

That does not help.  A bugged phone will for sure employ a keylogger and
thus you can also work without a passphrase.  To protect your key you
need to move the key to a separate hardware device (aka token).  This
may not help to protect you messages but at least you token must be close
to the device so that an attacker can make use of your keys.


Shalom-Salam,

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Re: GPG on Android

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On 03.11.2018 19:13, Juergen BRUCKNER wrote:
> Hello Masha,
> (...)
> You need to install the additional Flipdog CryptoPlugin[3] on your
> device, where you import and manage the keys.
> You have to create the keys for example on a desktop computer and import
> it to your android device and into the CryptoPlugin.

I just tried Flipdog CryptoPlugin. It couldn't import my key from
keyservers (thrown an exception on import) nor could it import some
other random keys I tried (e.g. 80615870F5BAD690333686D0F2AD85AC1E42B367).

Is it still developed? The last version seems to be from 2015...

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Re: GPG on Android

[Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users]

On 04.11.2018 22:55, Roland wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of
> storing a secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc)
> 
> How do you feel about that?
> 
> Could a pincard be connected via micro USB? And made to work?

Yes, it works with OpenKeychain. I've personally used Yubikey 4 with
USB-A to USB-C adapter, with USB-A to micro USB adapter, Yubikey 4C and
a Fidesmo card but much more types of tokens are supported [0].

There is an added benefit that the same exact token can be used with
GnuPG and OpenKeychain seamlessly.

Kind regards,
Wiktor

[0]: https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain/wiki/Security-Tokens

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Re: GPG on Android

[john doe]

On 11/4/2018 10:55 PM, Roland wrote:
> Hello list,
> 
> I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of storing a 
> secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc) 

In case of theft/lost using subkey is somewhat easier because you can
revoke that subkey only.

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Re: GPG on Android

[vedaal via Gnupg-users]

On 11/4/2018 at 4:58 PM, "Roland"  wrote:
>
>Hello list,
>
>I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid 
>of storing a secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, 
>loss, etc) 
>
>How do you feel about that?

=

Exactly the same way.

Android phones (software) are made by Google.
Google archives data from every source connecting to one of its applications, 
Chrome, search engine, gmail, etc.

I don't trust them, and have no way of verifying any claim of what they do, or 
do not, store.

Also, if you have any app that required 'rooting' of your phone, then even 
Google doesn't trust it, and expressly says that it will not guarantee false 
(malicious) expenditures by Google Wallet. 

So the 'rooted' app probably does have access to your android gnupg data.


Annoying, I know,  to not use gnupg on android, but prudently safe.

fwiw,  the gnupg apps work well on android, but I just don't trust the phone.


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Re: GPG on Android

[Juergen Bruckner]

Hello Roland,

I for myself did configure MailDroid that way, that for each
crypto-operation, decrypt, sign, encrypt I have to enter my passwort
each time.

With pincards on Android I have absolutely NO experience, but im sure,
one of our fellow list members can give you a answer on this specific
question.

best regards
Juergen

Am 04.11.18 um 22:55 schrieb Roland:
> Hello list,
> 
> I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of storing a 
> secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc) 
> 
> How do you feel about that?
> 
> Could a pincard be connected via micro USB? And made to work?
> 
> Greetz
> Roland 
> 
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GPG on Android

[Roland]

Hello list,

I share the wish for encrypted email on Android, but I am afraid of storing a 
secret key on my android phone. (theft, hacking, loss, etc) 

How do you feel about that?

Could a pincard be connected via micro USB? And made to work?

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Re: GPG on Android

[Juergen Bruckner]

Hello All,

in this topic I forgot to mention another android-mail-app.
Thanks to Chris for the hint!

This app is from an austria developer (rundquadarat OG) and called
"R2Mail 2" [1]. It has fully GPG and X.509 (aka S/MIME) support.
This app comes in a test version with limited functions and has a
licence key [2] to buy for full functions. With a price around 5 EUR it
is not that expensive.

The developer was in a parental leave - which i knewed - and should be
back to office now.

best regards
Juergen


[1]
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.rundquadrat.android.r2mail2
[2]
https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=at.rundquadrat.android.r2mail2license

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Re: GPG on Android

[Juergen BRUCKNER]

Hello!

Sorry for late reply, your message was classified as spam :(

Am 04.11.18 um 10:04 schrieb gnupgpac...@on.yourweb.de:
> 
> Hello Juergen,
> thanks for kind explanation about MailDroid :)
> 
Youre very welcome

> Does MailDroid support several different mail accounts using GPG and/or
> S/Mime?
> 
Yes, MailDroid does support several different mail accounts.
You can mix the crypto functions with each account, means you can use
GPG for account A and C, S/MIME for B and combine GPG and S/MIME for D.

I personally recommend the paid version of MailDroid, named "MailDroid
pro" as it has a bit more functions than the free app.
The costs are around 8-10 EUR.

Be aware that you need also the Flipdog CryptoPlugin, in which you
manage keys and certs. It has its own certificate store and acess the
device store as well.

> I am using K9-Mail in conjunction with CipherMail for S/Mime, but CiperMail
> only supports *one* S/Mime account...

Yes this problem is well known

> Thx and regards!
> 
> 

If you have any questions please do not hesitate to write me. you can
also write directly if you prefer.

best regards from Austria
Juergen



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>>
>> Message: 5
>> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:13:52 +0100
>> From: Juergen BRUCKNER 
>> To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
>> Subject: Re: GPG on Android
>> Message-ID: 
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Hello Masha,
>>
>> as you are new to this whole topic, I guess the easiest way to use
>> encrypted mail (either GPG and/or S/MIME) on a Android device would be
>> the app "MailDroid".
>> It comes in a free version[1] (with advertisings) and in a "pro"
>> version[2] (without advertisings) and supports both GPG and S/MIME.
>> MailDroid also supports POP and IMAP, and works fine with Googlemail.
>>
>> You need to install the additional Flipdog CryptoPlugin[3] on your
>> device, where you import and manage the keys.
>> You have to create the keys for example on a desktop computer and import
>> it to your android device and into the CryptoPlugin.
>>
>> I use MailDroid since several years without any problems, and can fully
>> recommend it for beginners.
>>
>> There is also a app named "K-9 Mail"[4], which supports GPG (but not
>> S/MIME). As far I know you also need several additional software for K-9
>> Mail.
>> In my eyes its not really recommendable for beginners. I tried it years
>> ago and found it a bit complicated to use for myself. But thats a
>> personal opinion.
>>
>> The best would be to try both, MailDroid and K-9 Mail and then make your
>> personal choice.
>> If you need help with MailDroid you can contact me. For K-9 Mail I am
>> sure that here are also some people who can help you with it.
>>
>> best regards
>> Juergen
>>
>> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid
>> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid.pro
>> [3]
>> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flipdog.crypto.plugin
>> [4] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9
>>
> 

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GPG on Android

[gnupgpacker]

Hello Juergen,
thanks for kind explanation about MailDroid :)

Does MailDroid support several different mail accounts using GPG and/or
S/Mime?

I am using K9-Mail in conjunction with CipherMail for S/Mime, but CiperMail
only supports *one* S/Mime account...

Thx and regards!


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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 3 Nov 2018 19:13:52 +0100
> From: Juergen BRUCKNER 
> To: gnupg-users@gnupg.org
> Subject: Re: GPG on Android
> Message-ID: 
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Hello Masha,
> 
> as you are new to this whole topic, I guess the easiest way to use
> encrypted mail (either GPG and/or S/MIME) on a Android device would be
> the app "MailDroid".
> It comes in a free version[1] (with advertisings) and in a "pro"
> version[2] (without advertisings) and supports both GPG and S/MIME.
> MailDroid also supports POP and IMAP, and works fine with Googlemail.
> 
> You need to install the additional Flipdog CryptoPlugin[3] on your
> device, where you import and manage the keys.
> You have to create the keys for example on a desktop computer and import
> it to your android device and into the CryptoPlugin.
> 
> I use MailDroid since several years without any problems, and can fully
> recommend it for beginners.
> 
> There is also a app named "K-9 Mail"[4], which supports GPG (but not
> S/MIME). As far I know you also need several additional software for K-9
> Mail.
> In my eyes its not really recommendable for beginners. I tried it years
> ago and found it a bit complicated to use for myself. But thats a
> personal opinion.
> 
> The best would be to try both, MailDroid and K-9 Mail and then make your
> personal choice.
> If you need help with MailDroid you can contact me. For K-9 Mail I am
> sure that here are also some people who can help you with it.
> 
> best regards
> Juergen
> 
> [1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid
> [2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid.pro
> [3]
> https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flipdog.crypto.plugin
> [4] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9
> 


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Re: GPG on Android

[Yagthara Aghhay-Boor]

Hello All!

Thank you very much for your answers. I'll try to sort things out and test
the suggested android apps.
If there are any questions left, I'll come back to you guys.

best
Masha
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Re: GPG on Android

[Juergen BRUCKNER]

Hello Masha,

as you are new to this whole topic, I guess the easiest way to use
encrypted mail (either GPG and/or S/MIME) on a Android device would be
the app "MailDroid".
It comes in a free version[1] (with advertisings) and in a "pro"
version[2] (without advertisings) and supports both GPG and S/MIME.
MailDroid also supports POP and IMAP, and works fine with Googlemail.

You need to install the additional Flipdog CryptoPlugin[3] on your
device, where you import and manage the keys.
You have to create the keys for example on a desktop computer and import
it to your android device and into the CryptoPlugin.

I use MailDroid since several years without any problems, and can fully
recommend it for beginners.

There is also a app named "K-9 Mail"[4], which supports GPG (but not
S/MIME). As far I know you also need several additional software for K-9
Mail.
In my eyes its not really recommendable for beginners. I tried it years
ago and found it a bit complicated to use for myself. But thats a
personal opinion.

The best would be to try both, MailDroid and K-9 Mail and then make your
personal choice.
If you need help with MailDroid you can contact me. For K-9 Mail I am
sure that here are also some people who can help you with it.

best regards
Juergen

[1] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid
[2] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.maildroid.pro
[3] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.flipdog.crypto.plugin
[4] https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.fsck.k9



Am 03.11.18 um 17:04 schrieb Yagthara Aghhay-Boor:
> Hello Group,
> 
> I'm very new to GPG and email encryption and looking for a app to use gpg
> and signed email on my android devices.
> Can you recommend me a email app to use with pgp on Android?
> 
> best
> Masha
> 
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Re: GPG on Android

[Chris Horry]

OpenKeychain plus K9, both free and fully featured. 

On November 3, 2018 12:04:45 PM EDT, Yagthara Aghhay-Boor 
 wrote:
>Hello Group,
>
>I'm very new to GPG and email encryption and looking for a app to use
>gpg
>and signed email on my android devices.
>Can you recommend me a email app to use with pgp on Android?
>
>best
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Re: GPG on Android

[Wiktor Kwapisiewicz via Gnupg-users]

On 03.11.2018 17:04, Yagthara Aghhay-Boor wrote:
> Hello Group,
> 
> I'm very new to GPG and email encryption and looking for a app to use
> gpg and signed email on my android devices.
> Can you recommend me a email app to use with pgp on Android?

Hi,

I recommend using OpenKeychain [0] with K9-Mail. I'm using this combo
for a long time and never had any real problems.

OpenKeychain also supports hardware OpenPGP tokens [1], this makes the
key setup *very* easy on a new phone (not to mention that Termbot can be
added to the mix to login to remote server via SSH keys derived from
OpenPGP Authentication keys).

Kind regards,
Wiktor

[0]: https://www.openkeychain.org/

[1]: https://github.com/open-keychain/open-keychain/wiki/Security-Tokens


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GPG on Android

[Yagthara Aghhay-Boor]

Hello Group,

I'm very new to GPG and email encryption and looking for a app to use gpg
and signed email on my android devices.
Can you recommend me a email app to use with pgp on Android?

best
Masha
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GPG on Android

[Yagthara Aghhay-Boor]

Hello Group,

I'm very new to GPG and email encryption and looking for a app to use gpg
and signed email on my android devices.
Can you recommend me a email app to use with pgp on Android?

best
Masha
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