Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Ingo Klöcker
On Sunday 13 June 2010, MFPA wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 10:03:00 AM, in
 mid:201006131103.01...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote:
  IMNSHO, it's not up to the mailing list admins to
  dictate where replies to my posts should go. Therefore,
  the mailing list software should not touch the Reply-to
  header.
 
 As far as I know, this is the only list I have ever subscribed to
 that does not set a reply-to header to the list address. I'm not
 saying it is right or wrong, just unique in my experience.
 
 The admins don't dictate where replies go: the person replying does
 whatever they want.

True. But to do so the person replying has to decide whatever they want 
(reply to author or reply to list or reply to both). Also, not all MUAs 
make it easy to choose between reply to author or reply to list or reply 
to both. I'm not sure what the conclusion is. I guess the only sensible 
conclusion is using a decent MUA which gives the replier the choice. 
Optimizing the mailing list for crappy MUAs is just as wrong as 
optimizing web pages for crappy browsers.


 However, I would suggest that it *is* perfectly
 proper for the admins of any list to set headers that encourage
 posters (or their email software) to follow the etiquette of that
 group. In the case of GnuPG-users, that would perhaps be a reply-to
 header containing both the list address and the senders address.

Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. 
Also, most people seem to reply to list only.


Regards,
Ingo


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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Jerry
On Sun, 13 Jun 2010 19:12:54 +0200
Ingo Klöcker kloec...@kde.org articulated:


 Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the etiquette of this 
 group. It's certainly not mentioned on the listinfo page of
 gnupg-users. Also, most people seem to reply to list only.

While it would appear that most users direct their replies back to the
list, there are a few morons who feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the
OP. It gets worse; another user unintentionally replies to just such a
message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP starts receiving a
chain of unwanted e-mails.

While it is certainly possible to filter out just such nonsense, and
personally I feel that reporting it as SPAM since it effective is,
doing so would probably not bode well for the list's reputation..

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Please do not ignore the Reply-To header.
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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread MFPA
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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote:


 While it would appear that most users direct their
 replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
 feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.

After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
complaint since.



 It gets
 worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
 such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
 starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.

I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
experienced no such chain.



 While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
 nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
 SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
 bode well for the list's reputation..

SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;



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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread Sonja Michelle Lina Thomas

 SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
 the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;


Which is pretty good when sliced thin, pan fried and put on a toasted
English muffin with spicy mustard!

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On 6/13/2010 19:07, MFPA wrote:
 Hi
 
 
 On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 7:37:33 PM, in
 mid:20100613143733.7baf8...@scorpio, Jerry wrote:
 
 
 While it would appear that most users direct their
 replies back to the list, there are a few morons who
 feel it is their sworn duty to CC: the OP.
 
 After my first few postings to this list, I received a complaint from
 somebody whose post I replied to, for not copying my replies directly
 to the OP. I amended my reply template to do so, and have received no
 complaint since.
 
 
 
 It gets
 worse; another user unintentionally replies to just
 such a message with the unwanted CC: intact. Now the OP
 starts receiving a chain of unwanted e-mails.
 
 I guess nobody has done that when replying to me, since I've
 experienced no such chain.
 
 
 
 While it is certainly possible to filter out just such
 nonsense, and personally I feel that reporting it as
 SPAM since it effective is, doing so would probably not
 bode well for the list's reputation..
 
 SPAM (in capital letters) is a canned precooked meat product made by
 the Hormel Foods Corporation. (-;
 
 
 
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 Best regards
 
 MFPAmailto:expires2...@ymail.com
 
 Life is far too important a thing ever to talk seriously about

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Re: [OT] Re: Test mail to gnupg.user

2010-06-13 Thread MFPA
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Hi


On Sunday 13 June 2010 at 6:12:54 PM, in
mid:201006131912.55...@thufir.ingo-kloecker.de, Ingo Klöcker wrote:


 Hmm, I never read anywhere that this would be the
 etiquette of this  group. It's certainly not mentioned
 on the listinfo page of gnupg-users. Also, most people
 seem to reply to list only.

When I first posted here, I wondered why I kept getting copies of
replies to my posts sent directly to my address as well as via the
list. Soon, somebody corrected me for not copying them in on my reply
to their post as well as sending it to the list. They told me that was
the etiquette here. Since my experience at the time supported that
statement, I duly set up my reply template to do just that. I can't
remember who that was, and probably no longer have a copy of the
message.

I still often receive copies of replies to my posts directly as well
as via the list; sometimes both addresses are in the to field, but
more often one or other is a cc. I still have my reply template set
up to do the same.


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