Re: Where are those stubs..
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 09:01:23PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > You just alienated the entire FOSS community. > > Please don't claim to speak for the entire FOSS community. You don't. No > one does: not even RMS, Linus or Jordan Hubbard. I don't presume to. It was a deliberate exaggeration and I'm not going to get into a pissing match about methods of expression. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On 21 Jul 2011 at 14:58, Werner Koch wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:48, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: > > > AFAIK, you need to get the public key imported in GnuPG before you do > > --card-status. So you first download your own public key from a > > keyserver or a website or a USB stick, you don't get it from the > > smartcard. Only when GnuPG already has the public key, will it create > > the secret key stubs when it sees your smartcard. > > Right. This is also the reason why we have the URL field on the card. For > example on my card: > > URL of public key : finger:w...@g10code.com > > Now if I run "gpg --card-edit" I just need to enter "fetch" and gpg will > fetch the key from that URL. Thank you both for that piece of info, it was the missing information I think. In a real world scenario this wouldn't be an issue (and hardly noticed) but in this case I was testing this specifically and only, and didn't see any notice of the pubkey having to be imported first; I'm unsure if those pieces of information have been put together earlier in the replies I've read. Thanks. /J > > > Salam-Shalom, > >Werner > > -- > Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. > ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 21:48, pe...@digitalbrains.com said: > AFAIK, you need to get the public key imported in GnuPG before you do > --card-status. So you first download your own public key from a keyserver or a > website or a USB stick, you don't get it from the smartcard. Only when GnuPG > already has the public key, will it create the secret key stubs when it sees > your smartcard. Right. This is also the reason why we have the URL field on the card. For example on my card: URL of public key : finger:w...@g10code.com Now if I run "gpg --card-edit" I just need to enter "fetch" and gpg will fetch the key from that URL. Salam-Shalom, Werner -- Die Gedanken sind frei. Ausnahmen regelt ein Bundesgesetz. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On 2011-07-20 6:38 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote: > On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:56:54AM -0400, Jerry wrote: >> On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:43:06 +0100 >> da...@gbenet.com articulated: > ..snip >>> Most people have Microsoft on their desktop or laptop without any >>> choice. They do not have the freedom of choice. Most people like my >>> girlfriend just switch on their laptop or desktop and use it without >>> any knowledge that there are alternatives. >> Absolutely, F**ken Bulls**t. You always have a choice. The truth of the >> matter is that your girlfriend, or any other individual for that >> matter, choose an OS that they can actually just turn on and have it >> work without spending days attempting to get simple things like >> wireless, printers, etcetera operational. Hell, I use FreeBSD as a >> hobbyist OS on two machines and it doesn't even support the wireless >> "N" protocol after over 5 years. The list goes on and on. People tend >> to use what works best for them. Even more so, they use what works best >> in their environment. > Never worked for a company that dictated what software everyone used, > did you? > > ..snip.. > >> What you are really trying to enforce is the concept of socialism. > What has preferring to do business with ethical companies got to do with > socialism or any form of government? > >> You >> don't hate Microsoft, or any other corporation specifically. You are >> using this pseudo "business practice" scenario as a smoke screen to >> cover up the fact that you are really an anti-capitalist. > I'm surprised you didn't invoke the "Liberal Agenda". > >> You want >> software to be free. I have no problem with that as long as it does not >> deprive an individual of his due compensation. You usually get what you >> pay for. > You just alienated the entire FOSS community. > > Time, trouble, or tickets; you'll get what's paid for. http://ecn.ab.ca/~brewhaha/Sound/Desserts.mp3 (It's not finished. Vocals in it are straight a-cappella.) > > > ___ > Gnupg-users mailing list > Gnupg-users@gnupg.org > http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
> You just alienated the entire FOSS community. Please don't claim to speak for the entire FOSS community. You don't. No one does: not even RMS, Linus or Jordan Hubbard. Further, a lot of people within the FOSS community are not opposed to proprietary software: for instance, the BSDs. The community has a great deal more diversity of opinion than you think. Please respect those who hold differing views. Wasting time in fratricidal sniping does no one any good. Finally, please take this entire thread elsewhere. This kind of flamefest is off-topic. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Wed, Jul 20, 2011 at 11:56:54AM -0400, Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:43:06 +0100 > da...@gbenet.com articulated: ..snip > > > Most people have Microsoft on their desktop or laptop without any > > choice. They do not have the freedom of choice. Most people like my > > girlfriend just switch on their laptop or desktop and use it without > > any knowledge that there are alternatives. > > Absolutely, F**ken Bulls**t. You always have a choice. The truth of the > matter is that your girlfriend, or any other individual for that > matter, choose an OS that they can actually just turn on and have it > work without spending days attempting to get simple things like > wireless, printers, etcetera operational. Hell, I use FreeBSD as a > hobbyist OS on two machines and it doesn't even support the wireless > "N" protocol after over 5 years. The list goes on and on. People tend > to use what works best for them. Even more so, they use what works best > in their environment. Never worked for a company that dictated what software everyone used, did you? ..snip.. > What you are really trying to enforce is the concept of socialism. What has preferring to do business with ethical companies got to do with socialism or any form of government? > You > don't hate Microsoft, or any other corporation specifically. You are > using this pseudo "business practice" scenario as a smoke screen to > cover up the fact that you are really an anti-capitalist. I'm surprised you didn't invoke the "Liberal Agenda". > You want > software to be free. I have no problem with that as long as it does not > deprive an individual of his due compensation. You usually get what you > pay for. You just alienated the entire FOSS community. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On 19/07/11 01:20, J. Ottosson wrote: > Example: I have this newly installed GPG, through GPG4WIN. After having done > some checking and searching in manuals and on the list, I have come to > conclusion that entering the command "gpg --card-status" should make the > secret > key stubs appear in the keyring. > > I cannot get this to work though. AFAIK, you need to get the public key imported in GnuPG before you do --card-status. So you first download your own public key from a keyserver or a website or a USB stick, you don't get it from the smartcard. Only when GnuPG already has the public key, will it create the secret key stubs when it sees your smartcard. Good luck, Peter. -- I use the GNU Privacy Guard (GnuPG) in combination with Enigmail. You can send me encrypted mail if you want some privacy. My key is available at http://wwwhome.cs.utwente.nl/~lebbing/pubkey.txt ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:43:06 +0100 da...@gbenet.com articulated: > Hi Jerry, > > I don't hate any one for using Microsoft - I even beta-tested Windows > 3.11 and Windows 95/98 till I realised that though we filed bug > reports Microsoft in Ireland took no notice. I don't want to get into a long drawn out discussion on this issue, so I will make this brief. Your analogy is faulty. It is comparative to someone saying that that are not prejudice against blacks because they have one as a friend. Interestingly enough, a few years ago while doing Beta testing on the Office Suite, I filed a report on a possible bug/problem. I received a telephone call two days later asking for more specific details. Perhaps your submissions were considered PEBKaC anomalies. > And as an ex-Chairman and ex-Vice President of a US Company we had an > ethical trading policy to which the Microsoft Corporation failed to > comply with. They still seem to be facing problems in the EU. The EU is a group of neo-fascists/socialists backed to a large extend by Opera. You would have a better chance of getting a fair hearing as a black man standing trail with a jury of the KKK than a capitalistic corporation has in front of the EC, or as it has been called, the USSREC. > If I were to suggest that you should support your local bank robber > or mugger and give them every assistance and that all criminals be > released - you would suggest that I was mad. Microsoft does engage in > illegal business practices - and are supported by millions every day > with their lock in licences and anti-competitive practices. Google is presently under investigation for anti-monopoly laws in the US. Personally, I have always felt that the anti-monopoly laws in the US were designed for the robber barons, AKA train & steel and oil corporation. However, if you are going to use it against on entity, then you have to apply it uniformly. In any case, your analogy is faulty since you are comparing business law with criminal law. > I just have a better grasp of business ethics and better grasp in > recognising software freedom - but I don't hate people for their > ignorance of Microsoft's bad and illegal business practices. Wow, at least, well according to you anyway, you are not an indiscriminate hater. How thoughtful of you. > Most people have Microsoft on their desktop or laptop without any > choice. They do not have the freedom of choice. Most people like my > girlfriend just switch on their laptop or desktop and use it without > any knowledge that there are alternatives. Absolutely, F**ken Bulls**t. You always have a choice. The truth of the matter is that your girlfriend, or any other individual for that matter, choose an OS that they can actually just turn on and have it work without spending days attempting to get simple things like wireless, printers, etcetera operational. Hell, I use FreeBSD as a hobbyist OS on two machines and it doesn't even support the wireless "N" protocol after over 5 years. The list goes on and on. People tend to use what works best for them. Even more so, they use what works best in their environment. > As some one said "Microsoft gives you Windows - Linux gives you the > whole house" that whole house is for free. Microsoft lock you in - > they lock companies in too. They engage in illegal business practices. > > I often find it odd that people when they get to know about > Microsoft's illegal business practices that they continue to have a > Microsoft Operating System on the desktop or laptop. Companies that > sell desktops and laptops operate with very small margins - but the > licence that goes to Microsoft is constant about 12 years ago it was > a fact that IBM paid Microsoft a licence fee for every machine it > sold - $400 USD. So when desktops or laptops are sold in a sale there > is no reduction of licence fee which remains a constant. I need a citation for that. I did a quick search and found nothing even beginning to approach this $400 mark. In any case, how long has it been since IBM ceased PC production? > A computer buyer can not go into say PC World and say "I like that HP > or Acer, but I will buy it with or without an operating system or > with a Linux distro installed." They have no choice. Microsoft's > business policy is "No choice but Microsoft for the general consumer > and for the business user." The manufacturer has all ready purchased a license to include the OS installed. If you don't want it, erase it. How much simpler can it get. 99% of PC buyers, and the percentage may even be higher, want a PC with a fully functional OS installed. How many PCs would any store sell if they came sans OS? I can probably count the number on one hand. As far a the "Linux" installed, you most certainly can. Do a web search, but don't use Google. They are under investigation (in more than one country too). > I support freedom of choice - I support ethical business practices. > Microsoft Corporation does not support
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:42:33PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: > > Still with the HTML? This excerpt is from the Fedora mail list but it > > applies to all lists: > > It applies to those lists which have a policy on HTML mail identical to that > of the Fedora mailing list. This is not the same as "all lists." Most lists I've seen discourage it > > > Why? HTML is designed for web pages, not emails, and uses a lot more > > bandwidth. > > This is a canard. Given most of the bandwidth is taken up by spam, the tiny > fraction that you can save by shifting messages from HTML to raw text is > utterly insignificant. It's a rounding error. > I'll give you that. > > Many list members actually block HTML because it is used for > > malicious code. > > By that logic I should block plain text emails, based on how many malicious > emails I get in those formats. And if you're worried enough you wouldn't be online at all. Where do you want to draw the line? > > There are certainly reasons to avoid HTML email, but these reasons don't > strike me as especially persuasive. > Evidently the originator did and I couldn't agree with him more. -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
Deleted. I may be a newb to this list, but I believe etiquette is to post an OT so that we can skip stuff like this. Thanks, -Devin -Original Message- From: "da...@gbenet.com" Sender: gnupg-users-boun...@gnupg.org Date: Wed, 20 Jul 2011 15:43:06 To: Subject: Re: Where are those stubs.. -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:24:14 +0100 > da...@gbenet.com articulated: > >> I much prefer to send and receive in plain txt. When I started out >> some 25 years ago it was the norm and the convention to do so. I ran >> a BBS (Bullet Board System) and later became an ISP (Internet Service >> Provider). Most people that use Microsoft O/S format emails as HTML - >> using fancy fonts and so on. A simple "Hello world" is 50Kb in >> Microsoft-speak yet a mere 5bytes in linux-speak. We - with long >> memories remember the criminal actions of Microsoft - which still act >> the same way as in the past. There's a lot of "politics" as to why >> people write plain txt - who use Linux and not the criminally-based >> Microsoft. A lot of people do not care if they send out junk emails - >> their friends can read it and so must the rest of the world. >> >> I think lists should say "Please send plain txt only." > > I prefer plain ASCII text format myself in most instances. However, > your argument loses traction as soon as you start with this obvious > personal vendetta against Microsoft. > > Those of use with long memories remember that the mail objection from > the *.nix/*BSD community was the fact that most native MUA's currently > available at that time were not able to properly handle HTML or MIME > encoded messages. They then preceded to throw up a smoke screen > condemning what they could not handle properly. > > By the way, and just out of blatant morbid curiosity, if an > acquaintance, business or personal were to request that you communicate > in HTML format would you do it? > > In conclusion, if you receive an HTML message, just delete it. Better > yet, set up filters, configure your MTA if you employ one, or whatever > means needed to remove this problem from your environment. You > obviously have a lot of hatred build up. Elimination of this pseudo > problem before it reaches your viewing screen would be a major step > forward for you. > Hi Jerry, I don't hate any one for using Microsoft - I even beta-tested Windows 3.11 and Windows 95/98 till I realised that though we filed bug reports Microsoft in Ireland took no notice. And as an ex-Chairman and ex-Vice President of a US Company we had an ethical trading policy to which the Microsoft Corporation failed to comply with. They still seem to be facing problems in the EU. If I were to suggest that you should support your local bank robber or mugger and give them every assistance and that all criminals be released - you would suggest that I was mad. Microsoft does engage in illegal business practices - and are supported by millions every day with their lock in licences and anti-competitive practices. I just have a better grasp of business ethics and better grasp in recognising software freedom - but I don't hate people for their ignorance of Microsoft's bad and illegal business practices. Most people have Microsoft on their desktop or laptop without any choice. They do not have the freedom of choice. Most people like my girlfriend just switch on their laptop or desktop and use it without any knowledge that there are alternatives. As some one said "Microsoft gives you Windows - Linux gives you the whole house" that whole house is for free. Microsoft lock you in - they lock companies in too. They engage in illegal business practices. I often find it odd that people when they get to know about Microsoft's illegal business practices that they continue to have a Microsoft Operating System on the desktop or laptop. Companies that sell desktops and laptops operate with very small margins - but the licence that goes to Microsoft is constant about 12 years ago it was a fact that IBM paid Microsoft a licence fee for every machine it sold - $400 USD. So when desktops or laptops are sold in a sale there is no reduction of licence fee which remains a constant. A computer buyer can not go into say PC World and say "I like that HP or Acer, but I will buy it with or without an operating system or with a Linux distro installed." They have no choice. Microsoft's business policy is "No choice but Microsoft for the general consumer and for the business user." I support freedom of choice - I support ethical business practices. Microsoft Corporation does not support any ethical principles. It is not a question of "I hate Micros
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Jerry wrote: > On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:24:14 +0100 > da...@gbenet.com articulated: > >> I much prefer to send and receive in plain txt. When I started out >> some 25 years ago it was the norm and the convention to do so. I ran >> a BBS (Bullet Board System) and later became an ISP (Internet Service >> Provider). Most people that use Microsoft O/S format emails as HTML - >> using fancy fonts and so on. A simple "Hello world" is 50Kb in >> Microsoft-speak yet a mere 5bytes in linux-speak. We - with long >> memories remember the criminal actions of Microsoft - which still act >> the same way as in the past. There's a lot of "politics" as to why >> people write plain txt - who use Linux and not the criminally-based >> Microsoft. A lot of people do not care if they send out junk emails - >> their friends can read it and so must the rest of the world. >> >> I think lists should say "Please send plain txt only." > > I prefer plain ASCII text format myself in most instances. However, > your argument loses traction as soon as you start with this obvious > personal vendetta against Microsoft. > > Those of use with long memories remember that the mail objection from > the *.nix/*BSD community was the fact that most native MUA's currently > available at that time were not able to properly handle HTML or MIME > encoded messages. They then preceded to throw up a smoke screen > condemning what they could not handle properly. > > By the way, and just out of blatant morbid curiosity, if an > acquaintance, business or personal were to request that you communicate > in HTML format would you do it? > > In conclusion, if you receive an HTML message, just delete it. Better > yet, set up filters, configure your MTA if you employ one, or whatever > means needed to remove this problem from your environment. You > obviously have a lot of hatred build up. Elimination of this pseudo > problem before it reaches your viewing screen would be a major step > forward for you. > Hi Jerry, I don't hate any one for using Microsoft - I even beta-tested Windows 3.11 and Windows 95/98 till I realised that though we filed bug reports Microsoft in Ireland took no notice. And as an ex-Chairman and ex-Vice President of a US Company we had an ethical trading policy to which the Microsoft Corporation failed to comply with. They still seem to be facing problems in the EU. If I were to suggest that you should support your local bank robber or mugger and give them every assistance and that all criminals be released - you would suggest that I was mad. Microsoft does engage in illegal business practices - and are supported by millions every day with their lock in licences and anti-competitive practices. I just have a better grasp of business ethics and better grasp in recognising software freedom - but I don't hate people for their ignorance of Microsoft's bad and illegal business practices. Most people have Microsoft on their desktop or laptop without any choice. They do not have the freedom of choice. Most people like my girlfriend just switch on their laptop or desktop and use it without any knowledge that there are alternatives. As some one said "Microsoft gives you Windows - Linux gives you the whole house" that whole house is for free. Microsoft lock you in - they lock companies in too. They engage in illegal business practices. I often find it odd that people when they get to know about Microsoft's illegal business practices that they continue to have a Microsoft Operating System on the desktop or laptop. Companies that sell desktops and laptops operate with very small margins - but the licence that goes to Microsoft is constant about 12 years ago it was a fact that IBM paid Microsoft a licence fee for every machine it sold - $400 USD. So when desktops or laptops are sold in a sale there is no reduction of licence fee which remains a constant. A computer buyer can not go into say PC World and say "I like that HP or Acer, but I will buy it with or without an operating system or with a Linux distro installed." They have no choice. Microsoft's business policy is "No choice but Microsoft for the general consumer and for the business user." I support freedom of choice - I support ethical business practices. Microsoft Corporation does not support any ethical principles. It is not a question of "I hate Microsoft." I don't support unethical or illegal business practices. I also think that the majority of computer users are in ignorance. But you can Google and see for yourself the basis of business practice by Microsoft Corporation. Oh and once IBM had a licence for Windows - IBMers are not told to talk about that. But once you do know - then you have a choice - continue to support anti-competitive unethical and illegal business practices of the Microsoft Corporation or if you support ethical good practice and no criminal activity. Your choice as everyone else's. As
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Wed, 20 Jul 2011 10:24:14 +0100 da...@gbenet.com articulated: > I much prefer to send and receive in plain txt. When I started out > some 25 years ago it was the norm and the convention to do so. I ran > a BBS (Bullet Board System) and later became an ISP (Internet Service > Provider). Most people that use Microsoft O/S format emails as HTML - > using fancy fonts and so on. A simple "Hello world" is 50Kb in > Microsoft-speak yet a mere 5bytes in linux-speak. We - with long > memories remember the criminal actions of Microsoft - which still act > the same way as in the past. There's a lot of "politics" as to why > people write plain txt - who use Linux and not the criminally-based > Microsoft. A lot of people do not care if they send out junk emails - > their friends can read it and so must the rest of the world. > > I think lists should say "Please send plain txt only." I prefer plain ASCII text format myself in most instances. However, your argument loses traction as soon as you start with this obvious personal vendetta against Microsoft. Those of use with long memories remember that the mail objection from the *.nix/*BSD community was the fact that most native MUA's currently available at that time were not able to properly handle HTML or MIME encoded messages. They then preceded to throw up a smoke screen condemning what they could not handle properly. By the way, and just out of blatant morbid curiosity, if an acquaintance, business or personal were to request that you communicate in HTML format would you do it? In conclusion, if you receive an HTML message, just delete it. Better yet, set up filters, configure your MTA if you employ one, or whatever means needed to remove this problem from your environment. You obviously have a lot of hatred build up. Elimination of this pseudo problem before it reaches your viewing screen would be a major step forward for you. -- Jerry ✌ gnupg.u...@seibercom.net _ Disclaimer: off-list followups get on-list replies or get ignored. Please do not ignore the Reply-To header. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
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-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA256 Devin Fisher wrote: > I prefer a homogeneous environment because once a plaintext user replies to > an HTML message the HTML tags inundate the message and it becomes mostly > unreadable. So in my opinion, either all plaintext or all HTML. > > -Devin > -Original Message- > From: "Robert J. Hansen" > Sender: gnupg-users-boun...@gnupg.org > Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:42:33 > To: Robert Holtzman > Cc: GnuPG-Users > Subject: Re: Where are those stubs.. > > ___ > Gnupg-users mailing list > Gnupg-users@gnupg.org > http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users > > > ___ > Gnupg-users mailing list > Gnupg-users@gnupg.org > http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users > I much prefer to send and receive in plain txt. When I started out some 25 years ago it was the norm and the convention to do so. I ran a BBS (Bullet Board System) and later became an ISP (Internet Service Provider). Most people that use Microsoft O/S format emails as HTML - using fancy fonts and so on. A simple "Hello world" is 50Kb in Microsoft-speak yet a mere 5bytes in linux-speak. We - with long memories remember the criminal actions of Microsoft - which still act the same way as in the past. There's a lot of "politics" as to why people write plain txt - who use Linux and not the criminally-based Microsoft. A lot of people do not care if they send out junk emails - their friends can read it and so must the rest of the world. I think lists should say "Please send plain txt only." David - -- “See the sanity of the man! No gods, no angels, no demons, no body. Nothing of the kind. Stern, sane,every brain-cell perfect and complete even at the moment of death. No delusion.” http:/counter.li.org 512854 -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iQEcBAEBCAAGBQJOJp69AAoJEOJpqm7flRExTG4IAKX86Ombo3H8XT+Odpfx4oRP RtnKYLf67sA+i2j/hPaKYDP/TIDEuhkZ3nxGdEKFypDgH94Pdr/cczm0Efd+kBRg kWr1VZX2/O3SDAb7zpgdNQFJWbWiL0Iea2TgTSLEzzjSsuvH98i3tu/i5ml4XxU7 p61NKJxzGDHVI5az9CM6j768DYPG1mlHYtONj9AR3Q4yaNIq1S3q1+AhqBOOsDE9 NZYw/8HeSiLvwOQ1Up+H5Yp0a+HGzAkTq6W7KYxbgQjEttmKl+u2BonxK9ck6U4s v8LSdCEFavf7O1pKjXpSZ7KXzcdG6/egL57aCgKQp8rwbl4hWMS3VtVAXB8fFCM= =S0dy -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
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I prefer a homogeneous environment because once a plaintext user replies to an HTML message the HTML tags inundate the message and it becomes mostly unreadable. So in my opinion, either all plaintext or all HTML. -Devin -Original Message- From: "Robert J. Hansen" Sender: gnupg-users-boun...@gnupg.org Date: Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:42:33 To: Robert Holtzman Cc: GnuPG-Users Subject: Re: Where are those stubs.. ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 10:42:33PM -0400, Robert J. Hansen wrote: Still with the HTML? This excerpt is from the Fedora mail list but it applies to all lists: It applies to those lists which have a policy on HTML mail identical to that of the Fedora mailing list. This is not the same as "all lists." Why? HTML is designed for web pages, not emails, and uses a lot more bandwidth. This is a canard. Given most of the bandwidth is taken up by spam, the tiny fraction that you can save by shifting messages from HTML to raw text is utterly insignificant. It's a rounding error. True to some extent. But when you are on dialup or pay by the byte wireless, it does make a difference when you are quickly checking your mail and your mailserver / ISP has good spam filtering in place. Many list members actually block HTML because it is used for malicious code. By that logic I should block plain text emails, based on how many malicious emails I get in those formats. There are certainly reasons to avoid HTML email, but these reasons don't strike me as especially persuasive. Still, the reason the original poster sent a mail to this list is to solicit help. The HTML mail shows up as hardly readible on some mail clients. While you might argue that that's a problem for the receiver and not the sender, it does reduce the chances of getting a helpful reply from someone who'd know the answer but can't be bothered to decypher the unreadable HTML junk that arrived in their mailbox. The sender in that case is the only person suffering from their HTML-only mail. My 4KB of wasted bandwidth worth... Remco signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
> Still with the HTML? This excerpt is from the Fedora mail list but it > applies to all lists: It applies to those lists which have a policy on HTML mail identical to that of the Fedora mailing list. This is not the same as "all lists." > Why? HTML is designed for web pages, not emails, and uses a lot more > bandwidth. This is a canard. Given most of the bandwidth is taken up by spam, the tiny fraction that you can save by shifting messages from HTML to raw text is utterly insignificant. It's a rounding error. > Many list members actually block HTML because it is used for > malicious code. By that logic I should block plain text emails, based on how many malicious emails I get in those formats. There are certainly reasons to avoid HTML email, but these reasons don't strike me as especially persuasive. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message part ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Re: Where are those stubs..
On Tue, Jul 19, 2011 at 01:20:21AM +0200, J. Ottosson wrote: >"http://www.w3.org/TR/xhtml1/DTD/xhtml1-transitional.dtd";> > http://www.w3.org/1999/xhtml"; xml:lang="en" lang="en"> > .snip. > > > > > Still with the HTML? This excerpt is from the Fedora mail list but it applies to all lists: No HTML Mail, Please Set your mailer to send only plain text messages to the list (How? ). Why? HTML is designed for web pages, not emails, and uses a lot more bandwidth. Many list members actually block HTML because it is used for malicious code. Not only does HTML mail be used to run malicious scripts, but when using handheld devices the time taken for the page to appear is also much higher. and also http://www.georgedillon.com/web/html_email_is_evil.shtml -- Bob Holtzman If you think you're getting free lunch, check the price of the beer. Key ID: 8D549279 signature.asc Description: Digital signature ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
Where are those stubs..
Hi, I'm revisiting my gpg card issues to see if someone can help out. I have now installed GPG4WIN 2.1.0 on a new 32bit Win7 and is having some (and same) issues like before. One is "scdeamon.exe" that at intervalls needs to be killed when it starts to generate incorrect output. Example: I enter gpg --card-status command repeatedly and it appears to work but if I remove card from reader the same output is returned when no card is in reader.. After killing service the command says card not present and upon entering card is sees the card ok. Not sure exactly when it stops working ok. I can see the card in GPA too, even though behavior is somewhat inconsistent, but it works, at least after refresh. However, my main problem is this: I cannot get the stubs to appear in the secret keyring on new systems. Example: I have this newly installed GPG, through GPG4WIN. After having done some checking and searching in manuals and on the list, I have come to conclusion that entering the command "gpg --card-status" should make the secret key stubs appear in the keyring. I cannot get this to work though. David Shaw wrote in a reply on this subject, 22 mars 2010: > Yes. If I understand what you are asking, the easiest way to do this > is to delete the secret key on those systems, then insert the card, > and do a 'gpg --card-status'. That recreates the secret key stub so > GPG knows to look at the card for that key. However if I use the command now, kill scdeamon.exe, take card out and in again, kill GPA, start it again, or check it using cmd, I simply cannot see those stubs back again. I have tested a few times to generate new keys on the card and that works and then I do see the stubs on the same system. However as I understand it I should be able to take the card to another system and re-generate those stubs there on another secret keyring, using the card-status command and this I cannot get to work. What am I (still) missing then..? System is Win7 Premium 32bit and reader is SCM/scr335. TIA, /J ___ Gnupg-users mailing list Gnupg-users@gnupg.org http://lists.gnupg.org/mailman/listinfo/gnupg-users
