Re: What About the Author Self-Archiving of Books?
Stevan Harnad writes > On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > > > Not so simple. > > > > What do you mean? He does not give away, I do not read. Two > > simple choices by two individuals. It has no bearing on the > > general issues. > > Then why post it to this Forum, which is concerned with the general > issues? Other lines in my message and the previous one pertained to general issues. > That preference and that prerogative are as old as the hills, and have > nothing to do with the radically new open-access possibilities opened > up by the online medium, which pertain only to give-away goods: This > includes all peer-reviewed articles (2 million a year, appearing in > 20,000 journals), but it most definitely does not include all books. You are speaking as if there is an immutable split between give-away and non-giveway. That is not the case. Authors will have to choose between the two. It is important that authors be made aware on how much more their work will used if it is freely available. This is one aspect where the FOS has not done as well as it could. > The conflation of the objective of free access to give-away digital > content with the notion that all digital content should be free That is not what I have been advocating. Cheers, Thomas Krichel mailto:kric...@openlib.org http://openlib.org/home/krichel RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel
Re: What About the Author Self-Archiving of Books?
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Thomas Krichel wrote: > > Not so simple. > > What do you mean? He does not give away, I do not read. Two > simple choices by two individuals. It has no bearing on the > general issues. Then why post it to this Forum, which is concerned with the general issues? The reason I stress this point is that I don't think it does the cause of open access any good at all to conflate it with the consumer's understandable preference not to pay for goods, even when their creator would prefer to be paid for them. Or the consumer's age-old prerogative not to purchase what he does not wish to pay for. That preference and that prerogative are as old as the hills, and have nothing to do with the radically new open-access possibilities opened up by the online medium, which pertain only to give-away goods: This includes all peer-reviewed articles (2 million a year, appearing in 20,000 journals), but it most definitely does not include all books. Presumably every creator who offers a product for sale knows that putting a price-tag on it will reduce usage: Most products are not concerned with maximizing usage but with maximizing sales revenue. The conflation of the objective of free access to give-away digital content with the notion that all digital content should be free is as unhelpful to the cause of open access as are the following: the conflation of creator give-away with consumer ripoffs (napster): http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0673.html http://www.eprints.org/self-faq/#24.Napster the conflation of gate-keeping (peer review) with toll-gating (subscription/license tolls) http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/1118.html the conflation of impact income (salaries, grants, prizes) with imprint income (toll-revenue) http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm#1.2 the conflation of concerns about "fair use" with concerns about maximizing research impact http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2006.html The most fundamental conflation of all, underlying all of this, is the conflation of the give-away and non-give-away literature http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2006.html http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm#1 Stevan Harnad
Re: What About the Author Self-Archiving of Books?
Stevan Harnad writes > Not so simple. What do you mean? He does not give away, I do not read. Two simple choices by two individuals. It has no bearing on the general issues. Cheers, Thomas Krichel mailto:kric...@openlib.org http://openlib.org/home/krichel RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel
Re: Articles on BOAI
At 03:24 PM 7/16/2002 +0100, Stevan Harnad wrote: On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Charles Oppenheim wrote: > Stevan, for a major literature review I am doing, I need to refer to an > authoritative article on the BOAI. Ideally, I'd like a major article on the > initiative and its impact, rather than the original "call to arms" press > release. Are you aware of any major article that has appeared, whether in > print or electronic? Charles, there have been a number of articles in the popular press, and perhaps Peter Suber could tell you which is the best (rather, the least-worst) of these. I am not sure whether there have been any scholarly-journal articles on BOAI per se yet, because it is still only 5 months old, but perhaps my BOAI colleagues will know of one. Charles, Here's my bibliography on the BOAI, in roughly chronological order. I've put an asterisk beside the better pieces. Unfortunately I don't know that any of them is the "authoritative article" you're looking for. But I'd be happy to work with anyone planning to write one. *Peter Suber, The Budapest Open Access Initiative (for _FOSN_, 2/14/02) http://www.topica.com/lists/suber-fos/read/message.html?mid=1606226926&sort=d&start=12 *Declan Butler, Soros Offers Access to Science Papers (for _Nature_, n.d. but circa 2/14/02)) http://www.nature.com/nature/debates/e-access/Articles/soros.html BioMed Central press release on BOAI (2/14/02) http://www.biomedcentral.com/info/pr-releases.asp?pr=20020214 SPARC and SPARC Europe press release on BOAI (2/14/02) ?page=f52 *ARL press release on BOAI (2/14/02) http://www.arl.org/scomm/boai.html Tamsin McMahon, Billionaire Wants Free Web-Based Academic Journals (for _EuropeMedia.net_, 2/15/02) http://www.europemedia.net/shownews.asp?ArticleID=8448 Roberto Casati, Soros Project: Articoli scientifici in rete per tutti (for _Il Sole_, 2/15/02) http://www.ilsole24ore.com/art.jhtml?artid=93495&dnr=true (link now points to the wrong page) *Pat Hagan, Cash boost for research access (for _The Scientist_. 2/25/02) http://www.biomedcentral.com/news/20020215/03 Sam Vaknin, Copyright and Scholarship (for _UPI_, 2/15-18/02) Part I, http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=15022002-015414-4119r *Part II, http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=15022002-020541-2918r (Sam Vaknin interviewed me on a wide range of FOS issues. BOAI comes up in Part II.) *Richard Poynder, George Soros Gives $3 Million to New Open Access Initiative (for _Information Today_, 2/18/02) http://www.infotoday.com/newsbreaks/nb020218-1.htm Anon., Budapest Open Access Archive Announced (for _LTWorld_, 2/20/02) http://www.sbu.ac.uk/litc/lt/2002/news2251.html *University of Southampton press release on BOAI (2/22/02) http://www.soton.ac.uk/~pubaffrs/02022.htm Charles W. Bailey, Jr., Budapest Open Access Initiative (for _Current Cites_, 2/02) http://sunsite.berkeley.edu/CurrentCites/2002/cc02.13.2.html ALPSP response to the BOAI (n.d. but circa 2/02) http://www.alpsp.org/budapest0202.pdf --Stevan Harnad's reply to the ALPSP statement (2/17/02) http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/1860.html Anon., Moves Made to Give Greater Free Access to Research Results (for _Cordis News_) http://dbs.cordis.lu/fep-cgi/srchidadb?ACTION=D&SESSION=3432002-2-16&DOC=1&T (link dead) Denis Delbecq, L'abordage des revues scientifiques (for _Liberation_) http://www.liberation.com/quotidien/semaine/020214-050019088SCIE.html (link dead) Peter Evans, Budapest Open Access Initiatives [sic] Launched (For the UK _Serials eNews_) http://www.biblio-tech.com/UKSG/S_PD.cfm?alert=124 (link no longer points to the right page) *Ivan Noble, Boost for Research Paper Access (for _BBC_, 2/24/02)) http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sci/tech/newsid_1818000/1818652.stm *Michael Smith, Soros Backs Academic Rebels (for _UPI_,2/24/02)) http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=12022002-031227-9710r Stéphane Foucart, Guerre ouverte contre le monopole des revues scientifiques (for _Le Monde_, 2/26/02) http://www.lemonde.fr/article/0,5987,3244--263082-,00.html (May be very good but my French isn't good enough to tell.) *Alexander Grimwade, Open Societies Need Open Access (for _The Scientist_, 2/28/02) http://www.the-scientist.com/yr2002/feb/comm_020218.html Jon Gordon, Scholarly Journals on the Net (for _Minnesota Public Radio_, circa 2/02) [Requires RealPlayer] http://news.mpr.org/programs/futuretense/daily_rafiles/20020218.ram (This is a radio interview of me. I'm happy with all of it except the way it ends. Gordon closes with the remark that priced journals justify themselves by their role in providing peer review. Period. I didn't get to reply. So he leaves the false impression that BOAI doesn't endorse peer review, doesn't know it costs money, or doesn't have a way to cover the costs. To see how I would have replied, see the BOAI FAQ on these points.) The February issue of the _ARL Bimonthly Report_ is devoted to open access and contains arti
Re: What About the Author Self-Archiving of Books?
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Thomas Krichel wrote: > Michael Meier writes > > I would like to inform you about a new book [in German] published in > > mid-june about the future of the publishing trade facing mounting > > opposition by libraries and other pressure groups. The title of > > the book is "Returning Science to the Scientists. Der Umbruch im > > STM-Fachinformationsmarkt durch Electronic Publishing" (in German). > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B542641 -- Michael Meier > > that automated translation does do a pretty good job. I bet > if the whole book was available online, the automated > translation could do a pretty good job of opening it up > to the anglo-saxon audience. I would certainly recommend it > to my students if it was freely available online. I could not > find a free online copy, so I wont bother. -- Thomas Krichel Not so simple. See: "Journal Papers vs. Books: The Direct/Indirect Income Trade-off" http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0317.html "What About the Author Self-Archiving of Books?" http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/0450.html "1.1. Distinguish the non-give-away literature from the give-away literature" http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Tp/resolution.htm#1.1 Stevan Harnad NOTE: A complete archive of the ongoing discussion of providing free access to the refereed journal literature online is available at the American Scientist September Forum (98 & 99 & 00 & 01): http://amsci-forum.amsci.org/archives/American-Scientist-Open-Access-Forum.html or http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/index.html Discussion can be posted to: american-scientist-open-access-fo...@amsci.org See also the Budapest Open Access Initiative: http://www.soros.org/openaccess and the Free Online Scholarship Movement: http://www.earlham.edu/~peters/fos/timeline.htm
Re: Book on future of STM publishers
Dear Mr. Maier, Thank you for your information. I suppose that, being your exposé the result of a dissertation, that your book is freely available on an academic server. I read german. Could you please forward the link to your text? Thank you very much for your kind information. YS, Giuseppe Vitiello Head - Project Development ISSN International Centre 20, rue Bachaumont 75002 PARIS Tel. +33.1.44.88.60.97 Fax. +33.1.44.88.60.96 Email: vitie...@issn.org - Original Message - From: "Thomas Krichel" To: Sent: Tuesday, July 16, 2002 3:46 PM Subject: Re: Book on future of STM publishers > Michael Meier writes > > > I would like to inform you about a new book [in German] published in > > mid-june about the future of the publishing trade facing mounting > > opposition by libraries and other pressure groups. The title of > > the book is "Returning Science to the Scientists. Der Umbruch im > > STM-Fachinformationsmarkt durch Electronic Publishing" (in German). > > > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B542641 > > that automated translation does do a pretty good job. I bet > if the whole book was available online, the automated > translation could do a pretty good job of opening it up > to the anglo-saxon audience. I would certainly recommend it > to my students if it was freely available online. I could not > find a free online copy, so I wont bother. > > > Cheers, > > Thomas Krichel mailto:kric...@openlib.org > http://openlib.org/home/krichel > RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel >
Re: Ingenta to offer OAI eprint service
I think that much of this debate comes from a confusion about the meaning of the term "free". When we talk about Eprints software being free, the term "free" should take the meaning as implied by the GNU public license. In this particular meaning, one should think of it as "freedom", rather then "zero euro". More precisely, Richard Stallman, who is the main father figure of the free software movement, will tell you that free software is any software that has four freedoms attached. freedom 0: You have the freedom to run the program, for any purpose. freedom 1: You have the freedom to modify the program to suit your needs. freedom 2: You have the freedom to redistribute copies, either gratis or for a fee. freedom 3: You have the freedom to distribute modified versions of the program, so that the community can benefit from your improvements. Since Eprints is under the GNU public license, it is has a license attached to it that aims to protect these freedoms. Under the license, the producers of Eprints are free to charge per download, but they could not prevent another organization allowing zero-charge downloads. Free software is sometimes opposed to commercial software. That is a false opposition. Commercial software is written for a profit. Free software can also be written for a profit. For example mySQL a leading free relational database software. It is produced by a commercial company. I assume they make their money consulting others on how to costumize and use it, rather than on the software itself. I have no affiliation with the company so I am not entirely sure. I presume that Ingenta have similar things in mind. Plus, they will be running services to run archives on behalf of other organizations. The clients would choose to let Ingenta run Eprints for them, rather than doing it themselves. I have been a champion of free access since 1993, when I put the world's first free economics paper online, and I am the the founder of RePEc, a very large FOS initative for economics. I have had my fair share of arguments with Stevan in the past, but on this occasion :-), he is spot on right, there is nothing to worry about. Cheers, Thomas Krichel mailto:kric...@openlib.org http://openlib.org/home/krichel RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel
Articles on BOAI
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Charles Oppenheim wrote: > Stevan, for a major literature review I am doing, I need to refer to an > authoritative article on the BOAI. Ideally, I'd like a major article on the > initiative and its impact, rather than the original "call to arms" press > release. Are you aware of any major article that has appeared, whether in > print or electronic? Charles, there have been a number of articles in the popular press, and perhaps Peter Suber could tell you which is the best (rather, the least-worst) of these. I am not sure whether there have been any scholarly-journal articles on BOAI per se yet, because it is still only 5 months old, but perhaps my BOAI colleagues will know of one. BOAI consists of two strategies for achieving open access. On BOAI Strategy 1 (self-archiving) in particular, I think it is fair to say that the definitive paper is my own 2001 article in Nature: Harnad, S. (2001) The Self-Archiving Initiative. Nature 410: 1024-1025 http://www.nature.com/nature/debates/e-access/Articles/harnad.html http://cogprints.soton.ac.uk/documents/disk0/00/00/16/42/index.html On BOAI Strategy 2 (creating/converting open-access journals) I believe Mike Eisen and the Public LIbrary of Science (PLoS) contingent of BOAI have written a recent paper. http://www.publiclibraryofscience.org/ I will let Mike (or Peter) reply directly about that. Peter Suber himself has written several excellent papers recently on the BOAI. Best wishes, Stevan > Many thanks in anticipation! > > Charles > > Professor Charles Oppenheim > Department of Information Science > Loughborough University > Loughborough > Leics LE11 3TU > 01509-223065 > (fax) 01509-223053 >
Re: Book on future of STM publishers
Michael Meier writes > I would like to inform you about a new book [in German] published in > mid-june about the future of the publishing trade facing mounting > opposition by libraries and other pressure groups. The title of > the book is "Returning Science to the Scientists. Der Umbruch im > STM-Fachinformationsmarkt durch Electronic Publishing" (in German). > > http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B542641 that automated translation does do a pretty good job. I bet if the whole book was available online, the automated translation could do a pretty good job of opening it up to the anglo-saxon audience. I would certainly recommend it to my students if it was freely available online. I could not find a free online copy, so I wont bother. Cheers, Thomas Krichel mailto:kric...@openlib.org http://openlib.org/home/krichel RePEc:per:1965-06-05:thomas_krichel
Re: Ingenta to offer OAI eprint service
On Tue, 16 Jul 2002, Subbiah Arunachalam wrote: > I hear that Eprints has entered into an agreement with Ingenta and that > future versions of Eprints software may not be free. Is it true? I am happy to reassure my valiant comrade-at-arms Arun that he need not worry! Eprints is and always will be free software. Indeed Eprints is now part of GNU. GNU software must be available be free, and freely modifiable (as long as the modifications are also free). See: "Eprints.org is part of GNU free software project as of 1 July" http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2115.html and: "Re: Ingenta to offer OAI eprint service" http://www.ecs.soton.ac.uk/~harnad/Hypermail/Amsci/2111.html There is nothing wrong with a vendor selling software that is also available for free! (The real service Ingenta is offering is installing and maintaining Archives for any institution that prefers to pay to have this done for them commercially, rather than doing it themselves. Here too, the software has been explicitly designed to be easily and installed and maintained, but if an institution prefers to have that done for them, there is nothing wrong with that -- anything is welcome that gets them to go ahead and self-archive their research content, free for all users everywhere!) > Is this > an admission that the Open access movement is losing momentum and even the > greatest of its champions is entering into an agreement with a commercial > firm to ensure the survival of the movement? Please enlighten me. Not at all. Quite the opposite. It is a further step in remedying the ONLY thing that is slowing the Open Access movement, namely, the sluggishness of researchers and institutions in actually getting around to self-archiving their research output! The Ingenta option simply takes care of those universities who were hesitating because they were afraid to do the installation and maintenance of the Archives for themselves, but would be ready to pay a commercial service to do it for them: The content itself is still open-access. That's the point of the whole exercise! > A few weeks ago I saw a news item which stated that several leaders > of the Open access movement were inducted into the Advisory Board of > Ingenta. The list included Odlyzko! Andrew's interests are wider than open access (although open-access continues to be their core). Apart from being a loyal ally in the movement to hasten open access for all open-access content (mainly peer-reviewed research), Andrew is also interested in improving scientific and scholarly publication and communication in general. This includes non-open-access content, and commercial services, in addition to open-access. There is no contradiction at all between Andrew's commitment to open access and his efforts on behalf of other forms of content too. Best wishes, Stevan > Regards. > > Arun > >
Re: Ingenta to offer OAI eprint service
Dear Stevan: I hear that Eprints has entered into an agreement with Ingenta and that future versions of Eprints software may not be free. Is it true? Is this an admission that the Open access movement is losing momentum and even the greatest of its champions is entering into an agreement with a commercial firm to ensure the survival of the movement? Please enlighten me. A few weeks ago I saw a news item which stated that several leaders of the Open access movement were inducted into the Advisory Board of Ingenta. The list included Odlyzko! Regards. Arun
Book on future of STM publishers
I would like to inform you about a new book [in German] published in mid-june about the future of the publishing trade facing mounting opposition by libraries and other pressure groups. The title of the book is "Returning Science to the Scientists. Der Umbruch im STM-Fachinformationsmarkt durch Electronic Publishing" (in German). http://makeashorterlink.com/?B2B542641 http://www.ep.uni-muenchen.de/themen.htm Michael Meier
