[GOAL] Re: RCUK Open Access Feedback
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 21:28 +0900, Andrew A. Adams wrote: David Prosser wrote: Say I wanted to data mine 10,000 articles. I'm at a university, but I am c= o-funded by a pharmaceutical company and there is a possibility that the re= search that I'm doing may result in a new drug discovery, which that compan= y will want to take to market. The 10,000 articles are all 'open access', = but they are under CC-BY-NC-SA licenses. What mechanism is there by which = I can contact all 10,000 authors and gain permission for my research? The intent of CC-NC is that one cannot take the original material, re-mix it (or even just as-is) and sell the resulting new work. It does not mean that the information it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting, but that the expression it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting. A simple example is that a CC-NC licensed book cannot be recorded as an audio play which is then sold. If one makes an audio book it must be available for free. However, copies of a CC-NC book can be distributed to students who are paying for a course in English literature as one of the books studied. I don't understand this concern about 'NC' (non-commercial). I understood that the give-away open access literature was given-away by authors precisely because the motivation for publishing publicly funded research is not for direct commercial gain. Instead, authors derive impact from others reading and citing their work. If a company were to create and sell an audio version of a research work then that increases the author's impact. That doesn't preclude someone else creating a for-free audio version, nor readers accessing the original self-archived or gold-OA text version. OA is not about anti-capitalism - if someone can take the resource (OA research literature), add value and re-sell it (with suitable attribution) then that can only be to the advantage of authors and readers. -- Tim Brody School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom Email: tdb2 at ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7698 -- next part -- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: not available Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 490 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part Url : http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20120319/5d1bd3a8/attachment.bin
[GOAL] Re: RCUK Open Access Feedback
I agree with Tim. Doesn't the 'NC' in CC-BY-NC just mean I can't make money from it and I would resent it if you could ? Jan Velterop ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ** Drs Johannes (Jan) Velterop, CEO Academic Concept Knowledge Ltd. (AQnowledge) +44 7525 026 991 (mobile) +44 1483 579 525 (landline UK) +31 70 75 33 789 (landline NL) Skype: Villavelius Email: velterop at aqnowledge.com velterop at gmail.com aqnowledge.com On 19 Mar 2012, at 11:37, Tim Brody wrote: On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 21:28 +0900, Andrew A. Adams wrote: David Prosser wrote: Say I wanted to data mine 10,000 articles. I'm at a university, but I am c= o-funded by a pharmaceutical company and there is a possibility that the re= search that I'm doing may result in a new drug discovery, which that compan= y will want to take to market. The 10,000 articles are all 'open access', = but they are under CC-BY-NC-SA licenses. What mechanism is there by which = I can contact all 10,000 authors and gain permission for my research? The intent of CC-NC is that one cannot take the original material, re-mix it (or even just as-is) and sell the resulting new work. It does not mean that the information it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting, but that the expression it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting. A simple example is that a CC-NC licensed book cannot be recorded as an audio play which is then sold. If one makes an audio book it must be available for free. However, copies of a CC-NC book can be distributed to students who are paying for a course in English literature as one of the books studied. I don't understand this concern about 'NC' (non-commercial). I understood that the give-away open access literature was given-away by authors precisely because the motivation for publishing publicly funded research is not for direct commercial gain. Instead, authors derive impact from others reading and citing their work. If a company were to create and sell an audio version of a research work then that increases the author's impact. That doesn't preclude someone else creating a for-free audio version, nor readers accessing the original self-archived or gold-OA text version. OA is not about anti-capitalism - if someone can take the resource (OA research literature), add value and re-sell it (with suitable attribution) then that can only be to the advantage of authors and readers. -- Tim Brody School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom Email: tdb2 at ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7698 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL at eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/pipermail/goal/attachments/20120319/1766ca1a/attachment.html
[GOAL] Re: RCUK Open Access Feedback
On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 21:28 +0900, Andrew A. Adams wrote: David Prosser wrote: Say I wanted to data mine 10,000 articles. I'm at a university, but I am c= o-funded by a pharmaceutical company and there is a possibility that the re= search that I'm doing may result in a new drug discovery, which that compan= y will want to take to market. The 10,000 articles are all 'open access', = but they are under CC-BY-NC-SA licenses. What mechanism is there by which = I can contact all 10,000 authors and gain permission for my research? The intent of CC-NC is that one cannot take the original material, re-mix it (or even just as-is) and sell the resulting new work. It does not mean that the information it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting, but that the expression it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting. A simple example is that a CC-NC licensed book cannot be recorded as an audio play which is then sold. If one makes an audio book it must be available for free. However, copies of a CC-NC book can be distributed to students who are paying for a course in English literature as one of the books studied. I don't understand this concern about 'NC' (non-commercial). I understood that the give-away open access literature was given-away by authors precisely because the motivation for publishing publicly funded research is not for direct commercial gain. Instead, authors derive impact from others reading and citing their work. If a company were to create and sell an audio version of a research work then that increases the author's impact. That doesn't preclude someone else creating a for-free audio version, nor readers accessing the original self-archived or gold-OA text version. OA is not about anti-capitalism - if someone can take the resource (OA research literature), add value and re-sell it (with suitable attribution) then that can only be to the advantage of authors and readers. -- Tim Brody School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom Email: t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7698 [ Part 1.2, This is a digitally signed message part ] [ Application/PGP-SIGNATURE (Name: signature.asc) 501 bytes. ] [ Unable to print this part. ] [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
[GOAL] Re: RCUK Open Access Feedback
I agree with Tim. Doesn't the 'NC' in CC-BY-NC just mean I can't make money from it and I would resent it if you could ? Jan Velterop         â â  ⢠⢠⢠ ⢠⢠⢠ â â ** Drs Johannes (Jan) Velterop, CEOAcademic Concept Knowledge Ltd. (AQnowledge) +44 7525 026 991 (mobile) +44 1483 579 525 (landline UK) +31 70 75 33 789 (landline NL) Skype: Villavelius Email: velte...@aqnowledge.com velte...@gmail.com aqnowledge.com On 19 Mar 2012, at 11:37, Tim Brody wrote: On Sun, 2012-03-18 at 21:28 +0900, Andrew A. Adams wrote: David Prosser wrote: Say I wanted to data mine 10,000 articles.  I'm at a university, but I am c= o-funded by a pharmaceutical company and there is a possibility that the re= search that I'm doing may result in a new drug discovery, which that compan= y will want to take to market.  The 10,000 articles are all 'open access', = but they are under CC-BY-NC-SA licenses.  What mechanism is there by which = I can contact all 10,000 authors and gain permission for my research? The intent of CC-NC is that one cannot take the original material, re-mix it (or even just as-is) and sell the resulting new work. It does not mean that the information it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting, but that the expression it contains cannot be used in a commercial setting. A simple example is that a CC-NC licensed book cannot be recorded as an audio play which is then sold. If one makes an audio book it must be available for free. However, copies of a CC-NC book can be distributed to students who are paying for a course in English literature as one of the books studied. I don't understand this concern about 'NC' (non-commercial). I understood that the give-away open access literature was given-away by authors precisely because the motivation for publishing publicly funded research is not for direct commercial gain. Instead, authors derive impact from others reading and citing their work. If a company were to create and sell an audio version of a research work then that increases the author's impact. That doesn't preclude someone else creating a for-free audio version, nor readers accessing the original self-archived or gold-OA text version. OA is not about anti-capitalism - if someone can take the resource (OA research literature), add value and re-sell it (with suitable attribution) then that can only be to the advantage of authors and readers. -- Tim Brody School of Electronics and Computer Science University of Southampton Southampton SO17 1BJ United Kingdom Email: t...@ecs.soton.ac.uk Tel: +44 (0)23 8059 7698 ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal [ Part 2: Attached Text ] ___ GOAL mailing list GOAL@eprints.org http://mailman.ecs.soton.ac.uk/mailman/listinfo/goal
