Re: [Goanet] Wedding blessing rites!

2006-03-28 Thread sonia gomes
Hi Dominic

I love your posts, they bring back memories of my
childhood. 
Although I am from Verna (Salcete) my holidays were
spent in Aldona ( Bardez) where my mother is from. It
was a treat to go to Mapuça, and all those little cold
drink houses with patties thrown in, I remember my
aunt buying that fish Korli that was full of fish
bones, but so very tasty, we never get it in Verna.
Festa de Milagres was a TREAT   we went to my aunt's
friend. 
I do not know Anjuna, I have been there only once on a
picnic and walked from there to a tiny little beach
Ozran, that was such a beautiful, beautiful place, I
will never go back there again as I want to see it in
my mind's eye as an unspoilt place, do you know that
we found tiny rock pools, whose edge had salt and we
scooped it out for our mother who had not gone for the
picnic, there was such a variety of shells. 

Thanks Dominic, you brought it back for me.

Incidentally, you forgot the 'vers' that are sung by
all those besanv giving ladies, they were very
characteristic of Bardez, I have never heard them in
Salcette. They were sung for each member of the
family, but there are no vers nowadays, when my
cousins, both girls got married and on the way to the
Church there were no ladies singing 'vers', it was a
beautiful tradition that should not be lost. Dominic,
I think you should write these down, I would have, but
we do not have these in Xasti.

Thanks again, I have saved yourpost of your trip from
Anjuna to Mapuca, I can imagine those little hearts,
thudding with fear once you reached the Posto, with
those sentries, particularly the Negro with the gun.

Recad tuka anudev borem korun

Sonia do Rosario Gomes
--- domnic fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Dear GoaNetters,
 
 I am posting the following personal message on
 GoaNet with the consent of 
 the party for the benefit of all:
 
 Moi-mogan,
 Domnic Fernandes
 Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA
 
 Hi Juliet!
 
 First of all, please accept my heartiest
 congratulations in advance on your 
 daughter's wedding in August!  Secondly, it is great
 to know that though in 
 America, you would like to follow Goan custom.  Hats
 off to you Juliet for 
 keeping up Goan culture and traditions in a foreign
 land!
 
 Here is the information you asked for:
 
 As soon as the bride is dressed up and before she
 proceeds to the car to go 
 to church to attend the nuptials, she is made to
 stand ghorchea altara 
 mukar (in front of home altar) for Bessanv.  Please
 do not forget to light 
 the candles at the altar.
 
 In the olden days, until the early 1960's, the only
 photo that was taken on 
 the auspicious day, was a wedding photo that, too,
 in a studio.  But today, 
 the camera and video man arrive at a bride's place
 well in advance and begin 
 to click photos and video film right from the time
 the bride begins to dress 
 up.  The clicking and filming continues in the
 church and ends up in the 
 reception hall.  Times have really changed, Juliet!
 
 In Goa, besides relatives and friends, neighbors
 from the ward also come to 
 give Bessanv to the okol because she was a part of
 the community from her 
 childhood until she grew up.  Now that she chose a
 life time partner, she 
 has to leave the place and shift to her husband's! 
 Therefore, the neighbors 
 feel it is their duty to wish her last good-bye as a
 spinster; hence, they 
 join in the last farewell wish to the bride along
 with her parents, 
 relatives and friends.
 
 In Goa, it is still a fashion to give a gift to the
 bride mostly in the form 
 of cash which is placed in bride's hand along with
 Bessanv.  In the olden 
 days, people placed chear annem, att annem or one
 rupee coins; some old 
 folks still place 50 paise or 1 rupee coins and so
 do children.  Nowadays, 
 it is mostly bills - Rs.50, 100 or 500; seldom,
 people place a Rs.5 or 10 
 bill.  Relatives and friends from far away places 
 who do not wish to return 
 to the house after the nuptials or will not be
 present for the reception, 
 hand in their gifts at Bessanv.
 
 There are no special prayers at Bessanv before the
 bride leaves for the 
 church.  However, here is the order of blessing as I
 recall:
 
 1)  The parents - father followed by mother
 2)  The grandparents­ - grandfather followed by
 grandmother
 3)  The eldest brother and his wife, if married,
 followed by other brothers 
 and their wives
 4)  The sisters and their husbands
 5)  Brothers' children - beginning from the oldest
 to the youngest
 6)  Sisters' children - beginning from the oldest to
 the youngest
 7)  Uncles and aunts - ­ paternal followed by
 maternal
 8)  Cousins ­ beginning with the first and followed
 by the second, third, 
 etc.
 9)  Bride's relatives - beginning with the eldest
 and followed by the 
 youngest
 10)  Elderly neighbors followed by other neighbors
 11)  Friends in general
 
 I hope the above information serves you.
 
 Best regards,
 Domnic Fernandes
 
 From :  Juliet De Souza [EMAIL 

[Goanet] Wedding blessing rites!

2006-03-27 Thread domnic fernandes

Dear GoaNetters,

I am posting the following personal message on GoaNet with the consent of 
the party for the benefit of all:


Moi-mogan,
Domnic Fernandes
Anjuna/Dhahran, KSA

Hi Juliet!

First of all, please accept my heartiest congratulations in advance on your 
daughter's wedding in August!  Secondly, it is great to know that though in 
America, you would like to follow Goan custom.  Hats off to you Juliet for 
keeping up Goan culture and traditions in a foreign land!


Here is the information you asked for:

As soon as the bride is dressed up and before she proceeds to the car to go 
to church to attend the nuptials, she is made to stand ghorchea altara 
mukar (in front of home altar) for Bessanv.  Please do not forget to light 
the candles at the altar.


In the olden days, until the early 1960's, the only photo that was taken on 
the auspicious day, was a wedding photo that, too, in a studio.  But today, 
the camera and video man arrive at a bride's place well in advance and begin 
to click photos and video film right from the time the bride begins to dress 
up.  The clicking and filming continues in the church and ends up in the 
reception hall.  Times have really changed, Juliet!


In Goa, besides relatives and friends, neighbors from the ward also come to 
give Bessanv to the okol because she was a part of the community from her 
childhood until she grew up.  Now that she chose a life time partner, she 
has to leave the place and shift to her husband's!  Therefore, the neighbors 
feel it is their duty to wish her last good-bye as a spinster; hence, they 
join in the last farewell wish to the bride along with her parents, 
relatives and friends.


In Goa, it is still a fashion to give a gift to the bride mostly in the form 
of cash which is placed in bride's hand along with Bessanv.  In the olden 
days, people placed chear annem, att annem or one rupee coins; some old 
folks still place 50 paise or 1 rupee coins and so do children.  Nowadays, 
it is mostly bills - Rs.50, 100 or 500; seldom, people place a Rs.5 or 10 
bill.  Relatives and friends from far away places  who do not wish to return 
to the house after the nuptials or will not be present for the reception, 
hand in their gifts at Bessanv.


There are no special prayers at Bessanv before the bride leaves for the 
church.  However, here is the order of blessing as I recall:


1)  The parents - father followed by mother
2)  The grandparents­ - grandfather followed by grandmother
3)  The eldest brother and his wife, if married, followed by other brothers 
and their wives

4)  The sisters and their husbands
5)  Brothers' children - beginning from the oldest to the youngest
6)  Sisters' children - beginning from the oldest to the youngest
7)  Uncles and aunts - ­ paternal followed by maternal
8)  Cousins ­ beginning with the first and followed by the second, third, 
etc.
9)  Bride's relatives - beginning with the eldest and followed by the 
youngest

10)  Elderly neighbors followed by other neighbors
11)  Friends in general

I hope the above information serves you.

Best regards,
Domnic Fernandes


From :  Juliet De Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Sent :  Wednesday, February 1, 2006 8:05 PM
To :  [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject :  wedding blessing rites

Hi Dominic,
As always I enjoy reading your articles on Goa News,
your recent one about the radio brought back fond
memories. I wanted to ask you a favor. My daughter is
getting married in August, the boy is American and we
love him, we would like to incorporate our timeless
Goan traditions into the wedding and I know that we
give the Bensao to the girl when she is all dressed
and ready to go to Church, could you tell me a little
more about the rite and if there are any special
prayers that are said and besides the father and
mother, who else does it, my daughter is all for it
and thinks it would be beautiful, any help you can
give will be appreciated. Recad tuca.

Juliet from Los Angeles

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