Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
TO: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] What you seem determined to fail to understand is that the US free enterprise system and the companies that operate in it are immune to your notions of what you would prefer or not. If and when you form your own company, you are free to operate in any way you wish, and locate your operations wherever you wish. American companies locate their plants wherever they need to, to stay competitive and increase profits. Obsolete businesses and employees with obsolete skills redirect their energies into other skills and enterprises. The free enterprise system has never included the unrestricted flow of labor, though the US does allow more importation of labor than any other industrialized country. You have mischaracterized Dr. Jagdish Bhagwati's ideas completely. How do I know? I asked him. He believes in free enterprise, which includes the globalization that is already taking place, and supports any movement in that direction as beneficial. For you to suggest that globalization will only provide benefits if everyone participates is like saying that free enterprise only works if every theoretical detail is in place. So, what's the alternative to your all or nothing views? You dismiss Dr. Bhagwati's ideas as theories. What theories do you have to offer that anyone can use? Dr. Bhagwati is considered an expert in the field by people who make actual decisions for their companies. How many corporations are you advising?
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Tariq, Sorry, but I do not have the time to educate you. However, if you are interested in the subject you may conduct a search under the name Jagdish Bhagwati, a Professor of Economics at Columbia University, and educate yourself. Now, my simple question was asking you to provide statistics on the number of jobs lost due to outsourcing and how those jobs have been replaced by other jobs in the US. That is something that you have not done and I probably expect you to never do. Returning to Jagdish Bhagwati. He has two main points: 1. Globalization is good for the world in the long run. 2. Globalization will reap benefits only if all parties (countries) commit to it fully. Both in my opinion are theories that have no definitive time frame for fulfillment. Dr. Bhagwati himself evades the answer, preferring to point out that benefits are not possible unless all countries commit to it fully. If you do, you will find the answer to the issue of jobs created in the US by foreign companies versus the jobs lost to US operations in foreign countries. The issue is one of free trade not minutiae like outsourcing and insourcing. How does it make a difference to the jobs created why a company places a plant or business in another country? The difference here is that the plant being set up in, say China, does not mean that the US worker(s) will concentrate on other aspects of the business process, to either improve or expand revenue. Rather, the US worker is simply being dismissed and his job is being given to the lowest bidder. In any case, your argumentative posts in favor of a posted question addressed to someone else are once again irrelevent because the US free enterprise system places no restrictions on US companies and how they and where they do business. Your comments above are quite untrue. There are notable restrictions placed on US business. In a true free-market society, movement of labor should be allowed as well. Yet, we see restrictions on importation of labor. Therefore, to work around this restriction, big businesses lobby to arrange free trade agreements. The sole purpose of these deals are not to allow US products in those countries, that is presented as a smokescreen. Rather to allow US companies to set up factories and offices in those countries that allows duty free import of that product in the US. __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
TO: Tariq Siddiqui [EMAIL PROTECTED] Tariq, Sorry, but I do not have the time to educate you. However, if you are interested in the subject you may conduct a search under the name Jagdish Bhagwati, a Professor of Economics at Columbia University, and educate yourself. If you do, you will find the answer to the issue of jobs created in the US by foreign companies versus the jobs lost to US operations in foreign countries. The issue is one of free trade not minutiae like outsourcing and insourcing. How does it make a difference to the jobs created why a company places a plant or business in another country? In any case, your argumentative posts in favor of a posted question addressed to someone else are once again irrelevent because the US free enterprise system places no restrictions on US companies and how they and where they do business. == Since you seem to be unaware of all the foreign companies that are placing their offices and plants in the US, I will give you a couple: Toyota and Honda are two that even you may recognize. The US has gained far more jobs from foreign companies in the US than the jobs that have been outsourced, many to India. And where are the statistics to back this argument? In any case, your argument is one that is deeply flawed. Toyota and Honda have set up factories in the US to meet the demand of the US market. They are not building the factories here to export cars/trucks back to Japan. Outsourcing is setting up factories and offices in India/China to serve the US market not the local market. -Tariq
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
--- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Since you seem to be unaware of all the foreign companies that are placing their offices and plants in the US, I will give you a couple: Toyota and Honda are two that even you may recognize. The US has gained far more jobs from foreign companies in the US than the jobs that have been outsourced, many to India. And where are the statistics to back this argument? In any case, your argument is one that is deeply flawed. Toyota and Honda have set up factories in the US to meet the demand of the US market. They are not building the factories here to export cars/trucks back to Japan. Outsourcing is setting up factories and offices in India/China to serve the US market not the local market. -Tariq __ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Mail - Easier than ever with enhanced search. Learn more. http://info.mail.yahoo.com/mail_250
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
TO: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The politist description of news published in the Globe Mail is bovine excrement. I am sorry that that seems to be your only source of information. Mario wrote: The US unemployment rate is 5.4%, whereas it is almost 7.5% in Canada and 10% in the major European countries (France, Germany, Spain Italy), so put away that feni bottle, Mervyn. Mervyn responds: Where did you get there numbers from? A bar in Toledo? Mario replies: Why don't you put down the feni bottle and the Globe Mail, do some research on the internet, and find out for yourself? Mario wrote: Taxes by themselves have nothing to do with jobs being outsourced, which is shown by the fact that the US has gained far more jobs from insourcing by foreign companies than they have lost to outsourcing. Mervyn responds: When you give a multi-national a tax break for sending jobs abroad, guess what they are going to do? I also hope that the insourcing jobs that you refer to, are not the type that all the training required is to say, Would you like fries with that? Mario replies: Obviously you have no idea what you are talking about. Regardless of what you read in the Globe Mail, there are no special tax breaks in the US for sending jobs abroad, but there are no restrictions against sending jobs abroad. Since you seem to be unaware of all the foreign companies that are placing their offices and plants in the US, I will give you a couple: Toyota and Honda are two that even you may recognize. The US has gained far more jobs from foreign companies in the US than the jobs that have been outsourced, many to India.
Re: [Goanet]Re: Chickens coming home to roast!
Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Bush has done nothing as you mention. This is typical bovine excrement from the Globe Mail. All American companies have always had the same tax advantages, and virtually no restrictions on how they do business. The US economy, after the economic slowdown in 2000-2001 and the shocks of 9/11 has the fastest rate of job growth among all western countries, includion Canada, so I have no idea what you are nattering on about Terre Haute. Mario, There used to be a time when I wondered whether I should point out to you that you are the ONLY member on this forum that uses crude language. Now I debate on whether your replies here are serious or are only worth reading their entertainment value. The US unemployment rate is 5.4%, whereas it is almost 7.5% in Canada and 10% in the major European countries (France, Germany, Spain Italy), so put away that feni bottle, Mervyn. Mario, Where did you get there numbers from? A bar in Toledo? Taxes by themselves have nothing to do with jobs being outsourced, which is shown by the fact that the US has gained far more jobs from insourcing by foreign companies than they have lost to outsourcing. When you give a multi-national a tax break for sending jobs abroad, guess what they are going to do? I also hope that the insourcing jobs that you refer to, are not the type that all the training required is to say, Would you like fries with that? Mario replies: It always amuses me when someone from a less developed country that we support and protect pities us. Mario replies: Our taxes pay for your ability to talk nonsense about us. Thanks for your taxes :-) How is it supposed to work in the US? No taxation without representation? Mario replies: No one had to tell me this. All I had to do was compare what they were writing with a number of sources of information now available to us. As long as Goanetters are not reading the propaganda newspapers they will be all right. Now I am really amused. In fact, the above would qualify you for the title Abbot of Unreason or maybe, Master of Merry Disport. Mervyn2.0 __ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca
