[Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI

2004-12-19 Thread Philip Thomas
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Hi Philip,
Thank you for correcting me.
Now that you have shown that you are smarter than me, why don't you
spearhead the analysis.
Call it what you want. But let's have an educated presentation.
Or are your smarts just in trying to put down another Goan?
Regards, GL

An educated presentation? On what, for whom and to what end?

Btw, your presentations are fine. Just had a few questions about it,
that's all .. for Goa's sake!   Until next time. :)




[Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI

2004-12-19 Thread Philip Thomas
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1. Re: Philip Thomas comments, postmortem may be a term to be used. Though
as we all know, it is done on someone who is dead. IFFI with a budget
outlay of 75 crore is too important to be bogged down in semantics.

Like it or lump it, postmortem is a  legitimate term used in new product
development. Btw, you dont do pretty badly with semantics yourself. Have
fun.:)

2.Do we know the exact number of tourists that came for the event and the
tax- and other receipts generated during these two weeks? And this would
be only the start!

We should directly weigh the financial cost against the financial gains.
We should weigh cultural costs against the cultural gains.
And this should go down the line comparing /weighing apples with apples
and oranges with oranges. Etc.
While weighing one against the other are there OPPORTUNITIES where they
can be structured/ formatted to complement each other?

Now you seem to be doing a COST-BENEFIT analsysis and not a SWOT analysis as
originally advised! How come? Just throwing the word opportunity into the
talk doesn make it a SWOT analysis! Better luck next time!



Re: [Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI

2004-12-19 Thread Floriano
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Dear George,

And we at Goa Su-Raj thought that none of our Goemkars in the cyberfora and
diaspora would come out with SWOT analysis.
As far as IFFI is concerned, it is the last thing that Goa needs. Manohar
Parrikar seems to be a pussy cat,  in that, he does not know what ticks IFF
in the first place. He does not know that it is a film bazaar, a market
place to sell films. Therefore the  best of  films of the best producers are
put on display. Constracts are signed, film rights etc are transfered.

Let Parrikar tell us how many films were sold or contracted for during this
Panjim extravaganza. He, being the kattar RSS, has always deplored Goa's
long standing Carnaval Fiesta. He is trying to replace it with IFFI. Will
someone  give him a good knock on his stupid head and tell him that the
street shows and Miramar beach screening of films, the food festival etc is
not an integral part of IFFI, and that too at the tax-payer's cost??

He has blown off Goa's vital monetary resources on flunkies (whom we call
'funkot choddus'), wined and dined them, transported them to and fro all for
a pat on his back. Rajan Narayan has portrayed him as a peacock. I fully
stand by Rajan on that. And some flunkies call him the Best CM of Goa.
What a load of bull. He has been able to get away with it temporarily
because we have more spineless flunkies sitting in the opposition and eating
out of Parrikar's hand.

Floriano
goasuraj.



- Original Message -
From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Sunday, December 19, 2004 2:26 AM
Subject: [Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI


 --- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  I think now is the time for Goans, the press, their elected
representatives, bureaucrats and
  Mr. Parrikar to do the well accepted SWOT analysis of IFFI. [SWOT]
stands for: Strengths,
  Weakness, Opportunities and Threats.


 I think Gilbert must have missed the ongoing SWOT analysis of IFFI in Goan
cyberfora.  To
 summarize:

 STRENGTHS:
 Goa's image

 WEAKNESSES:
 Goa's image
 Excessive cost  subsidies at Goan taxpayer's expense
 Wrong priorities for Goa
 Government should not be in the IFFI business
 Lack of transparency
 Lack of accountability
 Lack of benefits for locals
 Lack of Konkani films
 Lack of good films
 So-called Bollywood tourists did not pay for their stay
 Consumerism
 Exploitive capitalism
 Cultural imperialism
 Traffic congestion/bridge closure

 OPPORTUNITIES:
 Use the time and money instead to take care of Goa's basic needs:
infrastructure, health care,
 education
 Focus on Goan entertainment instead (e.g. mando festivals)
 Focus on entertainment accessible to the masses

 THREATS:
 Another opportunity for corruption
 Adding to the state's fiscal woes and deficit
 Distraction from Goa's real problems

 If the question is What does Goa need, the answer is not IFFI.  Some
have suggested improving
 the IFFI next year. Seems odd. If a cancer is present, it should be
treated/removed or the patient
 dies. Better to encourage instead the many other suggested healthy
alternatives.

 Regards,
 George







[Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI

2004-12-19 Thread Gilbert Lawrence
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Hi George,
Thanks for the response, analysis and the feed-back. I hope the
following advances the dialogue. I did not see any 'quantifiable
end-points' in your presentation and in those of others. All we have in
Goan cyberspace are opinions (INCLUDING MINE). People in the know and
those directly involved are not talking or writing. And that is
something that is always a drawback. 

Do we know the exact number of tourists that came for the event and the
tax- and other receipts generated during these two weeks? And this would
be only the start!

We should directly weigh the financial cost against the financial gains.
We should weigh cultural costs against the cultural gains. 
And this should go down the line comparing /weighing apples with apples
and oranges with oranges. Etc. 
While weighing one against the other are there OPPORTUNITIES where they
can be structured/ formatted to complement each other?
Goans have fifty weeks in a year to celebrate and expand our Konkan and
Goan culture. But we complain about the two weeks of Cultural
imperialism. Similar objections occur about our language. BTW the
notion of Cultural imperialism applied to European culture in Asia and
other colonies. It appears definitions are changing. :=))

Is there any evidence that IFFI prevented Goans from the gorrment
services / weakness you describe? Was there transparency before? Or are
there other factors in this equation. If no! Why they were not
accomplished in the last 40 years? 
Is IFFI a zero sum cost and gain? Or is there / can be a win-win
situation? 
How does San Francisco have both  ani tea bhair more?

Keeping with medical analogies, because childbirth has severe pains,
ruins her figure, and starts other problems and issues, that does not
stop the mother, father ani society from having more children.

Re: Philip Thomas comments, postmortem may be a term to be used. Though
as we all know, it is done on someone who is dead. IFFI with a budget
outlay of 75 crore is too important to be bogged down in semantics. IMHO
deliberations in Goan cyberfora on this topic, including mine, have to
date added-up to be some feijoada. :=)) And we love feijoada. 
Thanks for the comments and the participation. Regards Gilbert

George Pinto:
I think Gilbert must have missed the ongoing SWOT analysis of IFFI in
Goan cyberfora.  To summarize:

STRENGTHS:
Goa's image

WEAKNESSES:
Goa's image
Excessive cost  subsidies at Goan taxpayer's expense
Wrong priorities for Goa
Government should not be in the IFFI business
Lack of transparency
Lack of accountability
Lack of benefits for locals
Lack of Konkani films
Lack of good films
So-called Bollywood tourists did not pay for their stay
Consumerism
Exploitive capitalism
Cultural imperialism
Traffic congestion/bridge closure

OPPORTUNITIES:
Use the time and money instead to take care of Goa's basic needs:
infrastructure, health care, education
Focus on Goan entertainment instead (e.g. mando festivals)
Focus on entertainment accessible to the masses

THREATS:
Another opportunity for corruption
Adding to the state's fiscal woes and deficit
Distraction from Goa's real problems

If the question is What does Goa need, the answer is not IFFI.  Some
have suggested improving the IFFI next year. Seems odd. If a cancer is
present, it should be treated/ removed or the patient dies. Better to
encourage instead the many other suggested healthy alternatives. 
Regards, George

Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I think now is the time for Goans, the press, their elected
representatives, bureaucrats and Mr. Parrikar to do the well accepted
SWOT analysis of IFFI. [SWOT] stands for: Strengths, Weakness,
Opportunities and Threats.





[Goanet]Re: Critical of IFFI

2004-12-18 Thread George Pinto
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# Goanetters-2004 meet in Goa. Dec 21, Tuesday. 12 noon to 2 pm. #   
# Clube Vasco, Near Municipal Garden, Panjim. Pass the word around!  #  
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--- Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 I think now is the time for Goans, the press, their elected representatives, 
 bureaucrats and
 Mr. Parrikar to do the well accepted SWOT analysis of IFFI. [SWOT] stands 
 for: Strengths,
 Weakness, Opportunities and Threats.


I think Gilbert must have missed the ongoing SWOT analysis of IFFI in Goan 
cyberfora.  To
summarize:

STRENGTHS:
Goa's image

WEAKNESSES:
Goa's image
Excessive cost  subsidies at Goan taxpayer's expense
Wrong priorities for Goa
Government should not be in the IFFI business
Lack of transparency
Lack of accountability
Lack of benefits for locals
Lack of Konkani films
Lack of good films
So-called Bollywood tourists did not pay for their stay
Consumerism
Exploitive capitalism
Cultural imperialism
Traffic congestion/bridge closure

OPPORTUNITIES:
Use the time and money instead to take care of Goa's basic needs: 
infrastructure, health care,
education
Focus on Goan entertainment instead (e.g. mando festivals)
Focus on entertainment accessible to the masses

THREATS:
Another opportunity for corruption
Adding to the state's fiscal woes and deficit
Distraction from Goa's real problems

If the question is What does Goa need, the answer is not IFFI.  Some have 
suggested improving
the IFFI next year. Seems odd. If a cancer is present, it should be 
treated/removed or the patient
dies. Better to encourage instead the many other suggested healthy alternatives.

Regards,
George