Re: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa
--- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: As far as I know Portugal has not offically recognized Goa's liberation. Portugal only restored diplomatic relations which were cut off after 1961. Mario implores: Eugene, What does Portugal officially recognizing Goa's liberation mean 45 years later? Does anyone care in either India or Portugal? Are there some brown Portuguese still dreaming of Portugal coming back to claim their Overseas Province? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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--- Nasci Caldeira [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
When there was this invasion by the Indian armed
forces, into Goa, ('de jure' Goa was the 'Overseas
Province of Portugal' even before the 'Union of
India' the present entity, was born on the 15th
August 1947.)the Potuguese Govt, abandoned Goa and
fled. The act of surender was not signed. So India
was in 'de facto' control and in government of Goa.
Only a few years after, things stabilised; the
Govts of India and Portugal started talking again,
and then after many 'talks' an agreement was
reached and a 'de jure' transfer of Goa was
performed. It was a good ten years I think. Does
the date matter? It's a 'fait accompli'.
Mario observes:
Nasci, thanks for clearing this all up, especially the
'de facto' and 'fait accompli' part, which is what I
have been imploring the Portophiles/Lusophiles among
us to recognize for months now.
BTW, don't you just love the Machiavellian concept of
the 'Overseas Province of Portugal'? Problem solved.
No such thing as a colony. Voila, the nationalists
become insurgents and the liberators become the
invaders. I'll bet the other European colonialists
wish they had thought of this idea :-))
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Marlon said that USA back Portugual during the Indian army's march into Goa. USA played a double role. In his memoirs, GK Galbraith has explained it all. Nehru had Kennedy's backing. However, Portuguese call on US to help them as NATO ally fell on deaf ears. Subsequent crying by Portugal was ignored by Washington. As far as I know Portugal has not offically recognized Goa's liberation. Portugal only restored diplomatic relations which were cut off after 1961. Eugene __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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Cornel,
When there was this invasion by the Indian armed
forces, into Goa, ('de jure' Goa was the 'Overseas
Province of Portugal' even before the 'Union of India'
the present entity, was born on the 15th August
1947.)the Potuguese Govt, abandoned Goa and fled. The
act of surender was not signed. So India was in 'de
facto' control and in government of Goa. Only a few
years after, things stabilised; the Govts of India and
Portugal started talking again, and then after many
'talks' an agreement was reached and a 'de jure'
transfer of Goa was performed. It was a good ten years
I think. Does the date matter? It's a 'fait accompli'.
Nasci Caldeira
--- cornel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
In the ongoing discussions about Portugal Goa and
India, I had inadvertantly overlooked the important
point made by Marlon that, Portugal later recognized
India's annexation of Goa. Does anyone readily have
the date for this please?
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- In the ongoing discussions about Portugal Goa and India, I had inadvertantly overlooked the important point made by Marlon that, Portugal later recognized India's annexation of Goa. Does anyone readily have the date for this please? Cornel - Original Message - From: Marlon Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, June 03, 2006 8:49 AM Subject: RE: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Perhaps Mario should read American history books! The US backed Portugal and condemned the Indian invasion/liberation of Goa. The USSR and China supported India. Looks like Mario has officially ackowledged his links to the leftist brigade! The issue was closed when Portugal later recognized India's annexation of Goa. Marlon --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario responds: Typical Paulo... :-)) You are obviously reading Portuguese history books, my friend. That's not what MY history books say :-)) Believe me, as a nationalist whose family were warned to stay away from Goa by the dictatorial Portuguese colonialists, I liked the events of December 18, 1961, a lot! We celebrated with the little fenny we had left. We had no authentic cheurisam made from Goa's live sanitation system left :-)) We had no parra left. Finally, we could go to Goa, experience again a place caught in a time-warp, bathe in well water drawn fresh, read by candlelight, walk the rutted, dusty red roads, pluck cajus and mangos off the trees, and replenish our stocks of Goan delicacies and refill our garafaos :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
RE: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Perhaps Mario should read American history books! The US backed Portugal and condemned the Indian invasion/liberation of Goa. The USSR and China supported India. Looks like Mario has officially ackowledged his links to the leftist brigade! The issue was closed when Portugal later recognized India's annexation of Goa. Marlon --- Mario Goveia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mario responds: Typical Paulo... :-)) You are obviously reading Portuguese history books, my friend. That's not what MY history books say :-)) Believe me, as a nationalist whose family were warned to stay away from Goa by the dictatorial Portuguese colonialists, I liked the events of December 18, 1961, a lot! We celebrated with the little fenny we had left. We had no authentic cheurisam made from Goa's live sanitation system left :-)) We had no parra left. Finally, we could go to Goa, experience again a place caught in a time-warp, bathe in well water drawn fresh, read by candlelight, walk the rutted, dusty red roads, pluck cajus and mangos off the trees, and replenish our stocks of Goan delicacies and refill our garafaos :-)) _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Typical Mario... Like it or not, the events of 18th Dec. 1961 were recorded in the history books as the Indian invasion of Portuguese India. An attack from a sovereign country to another sovereign country. A violation of International Law. An act of war. So, why do you blame the BBC Your claim that the BBC is unreliable and biased is ridiculous! Mario responds: Typical Paulo... :-)) You are obviously reading Portuguese history books, my friend. That's not what MY history books say :-)) Believe me, as a nationalist whose family were warned to stay away from Goa by the dictatorial Portuguese colonialists, I liked the events of December 18, 1961, a lot! We celebrated with the little fenny we had left. We had no authentic cheurisam made from Goa's live sanitation system left :-)) We had no parra left. Finally, we could go to Goa, experience again a place caught in a time-warp, bathe in well water drawn fresh, read by candlelight, walk the rutted, dusty red roads, pluck cajus and mangos off the trees, and replenish our stocks of Goan delicacies and refill our garafaos :-)) Finally, a 450-year-old and continuing violation of International Law was being redressed. Finally, India had summoned up the gumption to eject a defiant and intransigent Portugal with self-serving delusions of a province on foreign soil, half a world away, that they had conquered 450 years ago by force and were continuing to hold on to 14 years after the rest of the civilized world had declared an end to the era of colonialism. Independent studies have shown that the BBC is highly biased in it's news reporting, especially on certain political issues, where it almost rises to the level of propaganda. I remember reading comments by returning British soldiers from Iraq who could not even recognize what the BBC had reported on what their units had been engaged in. Paulo, don't you see that the world has changed? That Goa has changed? Whether it is for better or worse depends on who you are. The Portuguese are not coming back to Goa anytime soon. Isn't it time to move on? _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
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* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- Typical Mario... Like it or not, the events of 18th Dec. 1961 were recorded in the history books as the Indian invasion of Portuguese India. An attack from a sovereign country to another sovereign country. A violation of International Law. An act of war. So, why do you blame the BBC Your claim that the BBC is unreliable and biased is ridiculous! Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Goveia Sent: 01 June 2006 16:44 To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! Subject: Re: [Goanet] Past BBC programmes on Goa * G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Enjoy your holiday in Goa. Stay at THE GARCA BRANCA from November to May There is no better, value for money, guest house. Confirm your bookings early or miss-out Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. --- --- Frederick Noronha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2 Subject Categories * indian invasion of goa (1961) (3) Mario observes: More proof that the BBC is unreliable and biased in their reporting. I wonder whether they had a similar show in 1948 titled * indian invasion of india (1947) -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.394 / Virus Database: 268.8.0/352 - Release Date: 30/05/2006 _ Do not post admin requests to the list. Goanet mailing list (Goanet@goanet.org)
