[Goanet] Welcome to Velsao Beach
Welcome to Velsao Beach A video clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=-8NhtUZ6tBI Pictures: Talking Photos: Pl identify this beach http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2465779229/sizes/l/ at Sunset http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2465778667/sizes/l/ Clue: Bat Island also seen in the backgroud http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2465779833/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[Goanet] KLEPTOCRACY
Dear Mr. Editor, Somewhere a year ago, workers on contract with the Electricity Dept., trespassed into my compound and dug a deep hole, presumably to erect an electric pole. I had to go the Electricity Dept. and file a written complaint to The Jr. Engineer and the Exec. Engineer and also discuss personally in respect of the criminal trespass. I had to employ a labourer to fill up the hole. A few months back the PWD contractor dug two meters into my property at the corner, to make a concrete roadside gutter. I had to spend a day and a half to show them the plans, measure the site and confirm that it was trespass into my property. Although admitted, the concerned engineer instead of apologising had the audacity to tell me that the Government could acquire it and that I would get peanuts for it. Recently the PWD is constructing a footpath right below the balcony of our more than 3 decades old building, to which I have filed objections. Once completed, it will seem that I have illegally put up a balcony above the road. Can the government Departments trespass into private property and do illegal work? And when objected to, harass owners by summoning them to the Department to produce valid documents, thereby wasting time and money of the 'aam admi'? Is it not the prerequisite of the Department / person undertaking a construction of a permanent structure to have his/their documents validated, have NOCs from the owners concerned, before being permitted to start a job? Is this Governance? Or is it Kleptocracy or Incompetency? Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão. _ Watch hottest Bollywood videos, clips, movie tailors, star interviews, songs and more on MSN videos. http://video.msn.com/?mkt=en-in
[Goanet] Can someone post a summary of the Interim Task report?
Hi Can someone who has read the Interim task report for the upcoming Regional Plan put a summary out there of the main points? It will be much appreciated. regards, Samir
[Goanet] Some transparency
--- GBA office [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 16th April, 2008. Dear Charles, You will recall that GBA representatives walked out of the task force meeting held on the 14th because of the issue of the news item appearing in the press about minutes of meetings were not being circulated to the members of the Task force and the accusation against Ms Ritu Prasad that she had leaked out information from the Task Force to the Press on this subject. The fact that aspersions were cast upon the integrity of a member of the Task Force was most unfortunate, in view of the spirit of camaraderie with which the Task Force has functioned so far. I would like to express the dissatisfaction of the GBA at this unfortunate incident and I have been requested to convey this message to the Task Force, which I hope will be taken in the right spirit. The GBA has been co-operating fully with the Task Force with inputs on various issues, as the endeavour is to formulate a model Regional Plan, without harping on the many minor issues and irritants which might have cropped up. Further, as Convenor of the GBA, which is an organisation representing the people, I am required to be transparent about the proceedings and progress of the Task Force. Hence in order to avoid any speculations in the media, and in the interest of transparency, it would be advisable for the Task Force to circulate minutes of the meetings to the members and address the Press regularly. I really do not see any reason for the inordinate delay in circulating minutes of the meeting to the members of the Task Force. With regards, (Oscar Rebello) To, Arch. Charles Correia, Vice-Chairman, Task Force. - BMR - a key player in weight issues. Know more.
[Goanet] Constitutional Theft of the Powers of Panchayats
Gomantak Times, 28 May 2008 Constitutional Theft of the Powers of Panchayats Jason Keith Fernandes The Constitution of India, ladies and gentlemen, has been stolen. It was stolen perhaps right from the very moment it was adopted, but being the all-encompassing document that it is, it has been stolen again. It was stolen on the 13th of May 2008 by the Cabinet of the Government of Goa, speaking through the Chief Minister and the Minister for Panchayats when they indicated that “If the rules and procedures are followed, the panchayats have no right to revoke the license” of mega-housing and other development projects. Ever since the embarrassing statement by these members of the Cabinet displayed their commitment to themselves rather than to the people, much has been written about the response of the Government. I would however, like to suggest that while the position that the Cabinet has taken is appalling, it is certainly not out of character for the elected governments of the Union of India. A primary characteristic that has marked these governments has been that of Constitutional theft. The term Constitutional theft was introduced to us by the eminent jurist Upendra Baxi at a conference held on the positions taken by the Supreme Court in the course of the 1990s. Briefly put, Constitutional theft is the taking away of the promise of the Constitution by dominant groups and arms of the State. Now envision this situation, we have a Constitution that in its Preamble quite clearly indicates that it is WE, THE PEOPLE OF INDIA” who “ENACT AND GIVE TO OURSELVES THIS CONSTITUTION. The sovereignty of the State of India flows therefore from this grand collective of single individuals who constituted a document of hope. The Constitution also contained a vision for the realization of this sovereignty through the establishment of what that old man who we have all forgotten called 'Gram Swaraj'. This vision was however aborted in the first act of constitutional theft when it was replaced with something called the Westminster model of democracy. Some attempt was made to remedy this situation through the insertion of the 73rd and 74th amendments. The wrangling between political elites in the Centre and at the States however, resulted in a further degradation of the vision for a grass-roots realization of democracy. Rather that recognize the Gram Panchayats as constitutional bodies, equal in stature to the Centre or the State, the political compromise reached to allow these two amendments saw the creation of bodies that are effectively puppets of the State. Any powers that the Panchayats may have are in fact powers that the State has deigned to give away to the Panchayats (Art. 243 G). The Panchayats effectively become therefore, creations of the State beholden unto the State for their very existence. True the Constitution has also provided for the Constitution of a Finance Commission that will ensure that Panchayats have adequate funds to meet the costs of fulfilling their governmental role, true that there is Constitutional provision for a District Planning Committee that will integrate the planning development plans for entire districts. Yet this grand framework still struggles to find root in Indian soil because of the fundamental fact that I would call an act of Constitutional theft. That fact is the failure for the Panchayat to find an independent (though not autonomous) position within the 73rd and 74th amendments. It is because of this history of Constitutional theft that our Cabinet can be so brazen. They can be so brazen because they know they have a point. And yet, as I have sought to point out in an earlier column, the revolution that is on in Goa is not one that is based on legality, for legality has clearly failed us, it is one based on legitimacy. What we are witnessing in Goa through the drama unfolding in one Gram Sabha after another, is the only action that will right the Constitutional wrong that has been done to the people of India. The actions of local people demanding that they must necessarily have a say in the manner in which their local environment is altered. These actions are not mere legal actions, these are sovereign actions, that demand that the law be re-altered to recognize the centrality of the citizen to the process of both planning and development. Mr. Azgaokar is concerned that If projects are closed down forcefully, there would be no development in Goa. Azgaokar is using an old and much abused argument, but it doesn’t hold anymore. The argument was wielded effectively in the 80’s and the 90’s when the voices against central and state development for elites was being opposed by a smaller groups. Today, it is entire villages that are standing up to this resumption of their lands for the creation of private paradises for rootless speculators. The people seem to be articulating their vision of development Mr. Azgaokar, it is one where the Quality of Life takes precedence over the
[Goanet] Mystifying Myths Still Followed in Contemporary Goa
Mystifying Myths Still Followed in Contemporary Goa By CHRISTINA VIEGAS Your baby is just a few days old and is crying incessantly. All your efforts to hush the little one are futile. You have read and heard enough to know that the culprit is colic. Here is what grandma Mary Fonseca from Chorao has to say, Hold a teaspoon of Feni over a candle flame till the alcohol smokes, then rub it around the navel of the baby, the pain will disappear within minutes. What are you women frequenting beauty parlours for? Here's what grandma Florence Rego from Nuvem has to say, Take some 'malai' from the milk, mix 'haldi' powder and besan with it to make a paste. Rub it all over your face, neck and limbs and see how your skin sparkles. Don't spoil your skin with all those drastic chemicals they use at the parlours. These are just two examples of the many medicinal cures practised by women around the state. Out of sheer respect for the elderly you might prevaricate and pretend to show interest as you do not believe in the same. Just imagine applying a sharp alcohol on your baby's tender skin! That would be the last thing you would ever intend doing. Or for that matter, pouring warm oil onto your kid's tender eardrums to relieve earache! So, we easily believe that these traditional methods are followed only by the credulous village folk. No! asserts Ms Celina Fernandes, sales support, working for the multinational IT company, Ingrammicro India Pvt Ltd. She continues, Most of us Goans follow these traditional practices. They do work. We are all living examples. A colleague at work insists, My mom religiously gave us 'egg flip', which is beaten egg yolk, sugar and honey, every morning when we were kids saying that it would strengthen us absolutely and we hardly got any colds. Ms Fernandes adds to the above, Yes, the 'egg flip' is a Portuguese concoction and is called 'masad'. In fact, you can also add it to your morning black tea or coffee daily. It is very good for health. Quiz a handful of the local physicians and they are unanimous in their view, There is no hardcore medical evidence to prove that certain stuff like curing with Feni works, but some of it is just common sense. Like consuming the 'egg flip' which has protein from the egg, and other good stuff from honey, tea or coffee. Though, presently it would do good to eat your eggs hardboiled due to illnesses like birdflu and others. But the Goan women continue with their age-old traditional cures that have been scrupulously handed down the generations. To conclude on a humourous note, look out, your second toe could be longer than your main toe due to grandma's massage during your baby days â? yes, it supposedly means that you will bully your hubby! http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=052273
Re: [Goanet] Goa has become a Toilet - Kashmiri chillies
Hi Jerry Re toilets, if Bangalore can do so well, Goa can do as well surely. Cornel --- Jerry Fernandes said: I have been to Bangalore bus station, and believe me the toilet there is as good as star hotels toilet, and very clean, and urinals were free.
[Goanet] Goanet] Terminate Dr. Oscar Rebello as Convener of GBA?
Dear Rajan, You have DIAGNOSED the ailment CORRECTLY [see your text below]. So why are you suggesting the WRONG MEDICINE? The solution to the DIVISIVE forces is UNITY in the inevitable diversity of opinions. [Put three Goans together and one can have two, possibly even three, associations of two members each and as many opinions]. The Press Advisor to the Builder-Politician-Mining lobby has taken some expert advice and acted swiftly to get the Oscar awards on page 3 of TOI, front page of HERALD and Editorial of GT ...all in one night after the real Oscar arrived back in Goa! Do you get my message ...or whatever it is called in Indian languages [sounds like Sandas and some write it as Sondex' ;-)]. He is very, very Prudent. Recently, the Times of India published a report [by line of Raju Nayak, who had earlier filed a report as the Correspondent of Indian Express Mumbai Edition about the all important chai Digu-kaka had at a small teashop at Amona on his way back from Musician Wadkar's funeral, soon after Digu-kaka's election as the Aam Admi CM] about one Miguel Braganza, President of the Botanical Society of Goa [perhaps referring to me, though I am no longer the Prez of BSG] criticising Dr. S.P. Singh, Horticultural Scientist of ICAR. It was just a coincidence that the BSG and the ICAR were co-organising the Konkan Fruit Fest a few days after the report by Raju Nayak in the TOI. It is also a coincidence that I have never in my life ever given Raju Nayak an interview or a quote ...or even talked to him, in person or on phone, on any subject under the sun! Raju Nayak, the Editor and the TOI group owe the world an explanation how they could list Fernandina, Colaco and Furtado mango varieties as EXTINCT when all the three varieties are around and were displayed at the exhibition of KFF at more than one stall! None of them have responded to my letter of protest to date. It is more that 15 days since I sent them the email. So, please read between the lines. Digamber may literally mean naked ...but Digu-kaka keeps his tracks well covered! Watch how Babu barks while Digu-Kaka is circumspect, If the builders have ALL the permissions and licences AND have obtained them without MANIPULATION or MIS-REPRESENTATION, then the Gram Sabhas cannot legally revoke the licences. See how well he words it. Contrast that with If the Panchayat withdraws the licences, I will get the Panchayat Act amended to allow the Director of Panchayats to direct the Panchayat Secretary to issue the licence. as told at a public function in Margao to ... hold your breath ...Sarpanchas! [Soter will tell that to you as a personal witness to the speech of the Panchayat Samrat.] Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 18:47:36 -0700 (PDT) From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Terminate Dr. Oscar Rebello as Convener of GBA To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii The builder lobby and Digu (he of the valiant, forthright, and amazingly farsighted fame) will be very happy with Dr. Rebello. They seek to fragment any united opposition to their nefarious activities and here we have the Convener of the GBA giving them on a platter just what they wish. Regards, r -- - Messenger blocked? Want to chat? Here is the solution.
Re: [Goanet] God or no God
Christopher Hitchens is a known atheist and his recent book, God is Not Great,created the usual noise. I haven't read the book but a longish review of it and an interview with him. The other book that has been a forerunner to Hitchen's book is The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Together, these books carry forward Darwin's theory of man's existence without the intervention of god. I remember the storm created by Hitchens's earlier book, The Missionary Position: Mother Teresa in Practice and Theory. I read the book and some of the stuff was indeed scandalous. The debate on goanet on the Cardinal's speech has going in many directions. I feel atheism falls in the sphere of religion in the sense that it argues that there is a natural process unlinked to intervention from an invisible supreme being. If atheism satisfies one's soul, so be it. If those who feel that atheism is a negative concept and that the world in fact goes round in a preordained manner through the force of a supernatural being, I think they should be not challenged for their belief. Eugene Correia
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 634
Thank you Jerry, for your kind words in verse. I seem to have a gift, some think it is a curse! It is nice to be appreciated, And I do feel quite elated But may be it would be easier for me to write in blank verse! - Shanti Dhoot RE Message: 3 of 28 May 2008 From: Jerry Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 634 Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hello Shanti, Goa has lots of hidden artists and one of them is you. You indeed do come out with limericks on current subject and that is something of a gift you have which is really worth appreciating. Praising my village in your latest Limerick made me very happy, and indeed you are a great composer. You are gifted with an art of composing and I as a reader find it very amusing How you can convey the message In such a very short passage And I do pray that you will keep on writing. Cheers Jerry Fernandes Message: 3 Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 19:06:20 -0400 From: Shanti Dhoot [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] LIMERICK FOR THE DAY 112 - ALDONA SHOWS THE WAY ALDONA SHOWS THE WAY We should acclaim the Aldona villagers with a whoop They have now got together to form a core group To demonstrate that they wish to reject From their village a mega housing project Which they fear will land them all in the soup. It is a shining example that loudly cries For emulation as one sorrowfully eyes Such eyesores rising in other villages too. Such grassroots reaction is long overdue To discourage other builders from doing likewise. - SHANTI DHOOT
Re: [Goanet] Famous Goan Cancer Surgeon Makes a Curious Discovery
Hi George, Santosh, Jose and Gabe Yes, Dr Vaidya has done us Goans proud. On some university business recently, I happened to visit his university in Dundee and was in that pleasant small Scottish city for four days. I would have definitely looked him up if the current info was available earlier. I should also like to take this opportunity to comment on a post about men in white coats that was inclined to emphasise alternative medicine rather strongly and deride scientific medicine. Firstly, in general, medical doctors tend not to wear white coats! That usage seems to have been taken up by status seeking technicians when working in hospitals--at least in the UK. Secondly, while alternative scientifically untested remedies may help some patients in the short term, they may do more harm than good because the toxic ingredients sometimes used, like mercury, do an inordinate degree of damage to vital human organs. But I will make some allowances when 'alternative medicine' is used by a properly qualified doctor. Thirdly, today, I do not believe any sensible person would use alternative remedies for cases of say inflamed appendix, breast and other cancers, blockages in blood supply to the heart etc even when prompted to do so by the local unqualified quack and possible medical advice on Goanet! This is where surgery following scientific procedures is likely to provide the best, if not always perfect answers. Therefore, to deride scientific medicine may be rather short-sighted and send wrong signals to people in need of proper well-tested medication. Most certainly I know of one relatively recent case in Goa where faith in, and application of, a traditionally ground poultice concoction was used for breast cancer. It delayed access to proper scientific medication and sadly killed a young woman in double quick time. In brief, although not a medical person, pardon me for getting a bit weary of the over-emphases from time to time about alternative untested therapies used by our grandmothers in the case of our many ills. Cornel DaCosta, London, UK. --- George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Outstanding. Simply outstanding. Congratulations to Dr. Vaidya. Regards, George --- Santosh Helekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Please read the following and be proud: http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/HealthSci/Ind
[Goanet] Basic if's
Date: Tue, 27 May 2008 12:42:55 -0700 (PDT) From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] The flip side to the above is that, IF,??one hundred?oz. were bought at $280 and?twenty eight?oz.?at $1,000 ?then the average price would be $437.50. Once again, this is a big IF i.e.?assuming that?I was?doing nothing while the?POG went from $280?to 1,000+.?Gabe knows?that I was actively?trading gold too and he only gave you the?simplest?scenario?so that? even you could understand.? Mario responds: The flip side to your flip side would be if those who took your advice and were not as astute as you who had bought all the way from USD280, bought a ton of gold at USD1,000 under your expectation that it was going to USD1,650, and now it's hovering around USD900. Ouch! I have no idea what Gabe knew or did not know - the fact is his simple averaging makes even less sense if he knew of your active trading. Mervyn wrote: Please try and remember that the secret to financial success is to buy low, sell high? i.e. buy plenty?when the price is low.?The?clearest signal to buy gold?came from George Bush when he?started his?drunken spending?spree,?spending more money than he was collecting in taxes.? Mario responds: Buy plenty when low and sell plenty when high, hanh? Wow! Who would have imagined that that is all it takes?:-)) I have now made a note so that I never forget:-)) That's all we have to do, hanh? Now everyone on Goanet can run out and get rich:-)) And here I thought that all it took to get rich was an incredible piece of luck:-)) The one problem I see in all this is that not everyone is not as astute as you at reading these obvious signals, especially the dummies on the other side of all your trades, who were selling to you low when they should have held and buying from you high when they should have held off:-)) By the way, just to correct the record as to how the US government works, it is the US Congress that is responsible for federal spending, not just President Bush.
Re: [Goanet] Basic info on taxes
Mario Goveia wrote: If real estate prices are collapsing, just as gold prices have done during certain periods in history, a shrewd investor with cash or credit buys real estate at the lowest price he or she can, or at auction, or at foreclosure, and then rents the property, accesses the numerous tax benefits from doing so, and holds the asset till the prices rebound as they always have in the long run. The real patriot is the person who is proud to pay taxes. Mario, Good luck with your plan, eh! Some pointers: 1) Only the inexperienced buy when prices are collapsing. It is just like trying to catch a falling knife. More often than not, you will get cut. The more experienced will let the knife fall to the floor and then safely pick it up when it lies there. 2) It seems such a pity that you need Uncle Sam's tax money to make your plan work. With US elections around the corner, and the potential for a balanced budget at last, the tax dependency of your plan may not last for too long. 3) I hope you are around when real estate in the US rust belt stops falling. You know as well as I do that the US rust belt will have a reversal of fortune only when manufacturing returns to the region. Your biggest hope is that one of the big three US car manufacturers i.e. Tonka, Match-Box or Hot-Wheels will consider manufacturing in the rust belt. The problem with this scenario is that Washington has to provide these manufacturers tax incentives before they even consider moving from China. And if Washington does provide the big three with tax incentives, it will be at the cost of removing tax programs from the little guy. Mervyn3.0 The real patriot is the person who is proud to pay taxes. __ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/
[Goanet] Tracking Portuguese Goa’s dreaded agen t via cyberspace
By Frederick Noronha Panaji, May 29 (IANS) He was a secret service agent who used to torment freedom fighters when Goa was under Portuguese rule. Now some crucial missing links on 'Agente Monteiro' have surfaced in cyberspace. In an unusual series of developments over the past couple of months, a posting on Goanet (goanet.org) on the man has led to the unearthing of an interesting, though painful, chapter of history. Agente Monteiro has long been a dreaded name in Goa because of the legendary brutality with which he is believed to have acted against anyone who challenged the colonial state then under Portuguese rule. Oddly, the posting in cyberspace got noticed by someone in Britain, who turned out to be the son of Agente Monteiro and was aghast about the manner in which his father - now believed to be dead - had treated the people of Goa in his time. Just a few weeks ago, Roland Francis, a Canada-based Goan, got the ball rolling accidentally by posting a report about Agente Monteiro, as reflected in the 1955 Maharashtra Gazette records. Casimiro Emérito Rosa Teles Jordão Monteiro was an agent of the dreaded PIDE (Policia International de Defense do Estada), the colonial Portuguese equivalent of the US CIA or Israel's Mossad. I have this (awful sick) feeling in the pit of my stomach regarding this man, Agent Casimero Monteiro. I suspect I have some recollections of this man and his brother because if he is the same man that I think he is, it may well have been my father and uncle, said the Britain-based Goan expat, who stumbled upon the reality decades later. Shame on me for this, but I have been looking for him and his whereabouts for some time now, commented his hardly-proud son, now in his late 50s. Later confirming that he was indeed his son, the expatriate recalled that when he was five years old, in 1955, he wondered whatever happened to my father after we left Goa suddenly for a holiday break of eight months in 1958 in Lisboa, returning to Goa afterwards but not seeing him much, then after a while, never again. Reports available now indicate he was both reviled and revered in the Goa of Portuguese years, depending on which side of the colonial divide one was on. Agente Monteiro was believed to be the actual killer in 1965 of dissident Portuguese politician General Humberto Delgado and his Brazilian secretary, who challenged the Portuguese dictator Salazar. Prominent Indo-Portuguese historian Teotonio R de Souza, based in Lisbon, cited sources to say Casimiro Monteiro was involved in many other rightwing global battles. He participated in the Spanish civil war on the side of Franco, fought with the Blue Division of Germany against the then USSR, served as commando of Montgomery against the forces of Rommel, took part in an assault in London, where he killed an employee of the goldsmithery. Monteiro was also accused as the police officer responsible for homicide, extortion, violations in 'Portuguese India', and even for placing explosives in Goa after Portuguese rule ended. Following the murder of General Delgado, Agente Monteiro left for Mozambique, where he joined a brigade that placed bombs in Tanzânia and decimated Africans supporting pro-independence FRELIMO. In 1968, he is believed to have prepared a letter-bomb that killed Eduardo Mondlane, president of FRELIMO. On the eve of the pro-democracy movement on April 25, 1974, in Portugal, he is believed to have moved out with his family from Portugal to South Africa, where he was given refuge till his death. Of Agente Monteiro, the man claiming to be his son recalls: My father was Portuguese and not a very nice man to us, not at all nice to our neighbours or to the Goan population as a whole. Some on Goanet felt raising such issues was unhelpful. Please do not raise issues of irrelevance. Casimiro Monteiro is dead and gone, wrote Bernardo Colaco, based in Macau. But his son commented: Even if he is indeed 'dead and gone' as you put it, it would help us enormously to lay our ghosts to rest. If it is true, then where is he laid, where are his and my paternal relatives living in Goa or Lisbon? Agente Monteiro was a tormentor of Goan nationalists. It was an expected role from someone recruited to harass and create panic among the nationalists, commented Goan journalist Eugene Correia, based in Canada and the Gulf. http://www.thaindian.com/newsportal/sci-tech/tracking-portuguese-goas-dreaded-agent-via-cyberspace_10054014.html -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
Re: [Goanet] God or no God
Hi Eugene Atheist or theist---I have always said let us respect the sincere and deeply held beliefs of others. However, there is no harm in trying to persuade the 'other' in a reasoned and rational way. In the case of Richard Dawkins, I believe he has alienated some people unnecessarily through his somewhat arrogant Oxford presentational style---especially on TV. However, his content in the God Delusion, even if not as much in depth as I would have wished, for a humanist, does make plenty of sense to an increasing number. For those who can't get enough on religion, do have a look at The Jesus Dynasty by James Tabor. It is pretty fascinating historically and questions much of what is taken for granted in contemporary Christianity. I hope it will not be 'banned' (and TV films made of it), in Goa as was the book and film by Dan Brown: The DA Vinci Code I have the tree books mentioned above and read several reviews of Hitchens and seen him debate issues on TV but have not yet read the key book referred to above. Cornel --- Eugene Correia [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Christopher Hitchens is a known atheist and his recent book, God is Not Great,created the usual noise. I haven't read the book but a longish review of it and an interview with him. The other book that has been a forerunner to Hitchen's book is The God Delusion by Richard Dawkins. Together, these books carry forward Darwin's theory of man's existence without the intervention of god...
[Goanet] Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Konkani Literary Competition - 2008.
Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Konkani Literary Competition - 2008 Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust invites entries for its Konkani Literary Competition for the third consecutive year. Participants shall be categorized into three Categories: (A) Students of Stds. I to VII : An essay of not more than 300 words. (B) Students of Stds. VIII to XII : An essay of not more than 450 words. (C ) Youths up to the age of 28 years: A short story of not more than 1000 words. Topic for the entry is left to the discretion of the participant. The entry shall be written in Konkani in either the Roman or the Devanagari script. The envelope containing the entry together with a passport size photograph, and superscribed SAHITYA SPORDHA shall have to reach the folowing address by June 15, 2008: Fr. Freddy J. Da Costa Memorial Trust, F-18/B, Commerce House, Luis Miranda Rd, Margao, Goa - 400601, India. For more details contact the secretary on 9960816598. - Forwarded by www.goa-world.com Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com - Goeam khatir vavr korta to khoro Goemkar punn Konkani boroita ani uloita to niz Goemkar Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter is presented by Ulysses Menezes, www.goa-world.com and moderated by Gaspar Almeida (since 1994)
[Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down
Rajanbab has written Please, Satyawan, cut out this mawkish talk. We don't need any cult of personalities in the struggle to reclaim Goa. Nobody is indispensible, least of all someone whose only 'contribution' has been strutting around on TV shows and interview panels. Regards, r Dear Rajan bab All your big words like mawkish cannot be understood by simple people like us. why are you saying say that Dotor Oscar has contributed nothing. Please do not spoil the name of a good person. Oscar bab maybe stupid and foolish to listen to enemies of Goa, but you cannot say that he is a cheat. Dotor Oscar has done big mistake and if he does not realize his mistake, Goans will not forgive him. Goa requires GBA Dotor Oscar. It is the Margao based D-gang (Digu-Datta and dalals) who are wanting to divide the Goans so that they can do their dirty deals. Satyamev Jayate
Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down
Just to play devil's advocate, and present another view: From Rajan Narayan's Stray Thoughts, May 24-30, 2008 (before the contriversy below errupted) -- GBA SPLIT And a few stray observations on the sharp differences that have come up in the Goa Bachao Abhiyan. I understand that the BJP moles and fellow collaborators of the communal and fascist Leader of the Opposition, Manohar Parrikar, are trying to split the GBA. Ironically, the BJP and RSS moles in the GBA are apparently targeting Patricia Pinto who has been virtually running the secretariat of the GBA single-handedly. They are reportedly accusing her of not safeguarding the interests of the GBA. Her main sin of omission and comission, according to Parrikar's moles, is that she did not insist on the scrapping of the amendment to the TCP Act which excludes central and state government corporations like the Goa Industrial Development Corporation (GIDC) and the Infotech Corporation of Goa (ITG) from the purview of the proposed Regional Plan 2021. Apparently Ritu Prasad, who was also representing the GBA at the Task Force, has disowned responsibility and joined the chorus against Patricia. The real target of course of Parrikar's minions and collaborators in the GBA is Dr Oscar Rebelo. Parrikar's chamchas and those in the GBA who consider themselves the sole custodians of Goan identity and culture have not forgiven Dr Oscar Rebelo for his statement that outsiders who are committed to Goa are more Goan than Goans who have conspired to destroy Goa. The voices of reaon which have repeatedly pointed out that the rules framed by Edgar Rebeiro comprehensively limit the discretionary power conferred by the amendment to the TCP Act have fallen on deaf ears. It is possible that those who are insisting that the GBA should walk out of the Task Force have probably not even read the Task Force's interim report which is the most radical document that I have ever come across. Indeed if the government and the CM accept the recommendations in the interim report totally, there would be no scope for any mischief not only by the TCP minister, but by any of the ministers including the CM. But the tragedy is that the CM Digambar Kamat has not yet made any statement about his stand on the interim report. I suspect that Digambar Kamat may not even have read the Task Force report properly -- Sent via BlackBerry® while on the road... http://fn.goa-india.org -Original Message- From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:28:59 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down To Goanet - Please, Satyawan, cut out this mawkish talk. We don't need any cult of personalities in the struggle to reclaim Goa. Nobody is indispensible, least of all someone whose only 'contribution' has been strutting around on TV shows and interview panels. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] Terminate Dr. Oscar Rebello as Convener of GBA?
To Goanet - Miguel Braganza wrote: Dear Rajan, You have DIAGNOSED the ailment CORRECTLY [see your text below]. So why are you suggesting the WRONG MEDICINE? The solution to the DIVISIVE forces is UNITY in the inevitable diversity of opinions. Dear Miguel-bab, You understand fruit better than I do. When a worm infects a basket of fruit, the thing to do is to throw out the bad fruit along with the worm. Else you well know what will happen to the entire basket. Hasn't the damage done to the group and the cause bad enough? The fellow has broken trust and betrayed the cause. That is reason enough to eject him from the GBA. You want to stick with him just so that the chimera of unity is maintained? What unity are you talking about? Is this facade of unity more important than the future of Goa? I say, throw the fellow out of the GBA. Your moral and ethical compass should demand no less. Regards, r
Re: [Goanet] Goa is a Toilet
Dear Moderators, Hasn't this thread gone on long enough ad nauseam? Isn't it time to call it a day on this topic? Tony -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- It may be that all games are silly, But then so are humans - Robert Lynd
[Goanet] Goa has become a Toilet
Date: 28 May 2008 19:29:30 - From: Jerry Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just would like to say that inspite of having toilets on Kadamba bus stop, people still are find using the open air area, maybe they dont like the dirty smell there, or maybe they dont want to pay for the facilities they can do free of cost. I have been to Bangalore bus station, and believe me the toilet there is as good as star hotels toilet, and very clean, and urinals were free. Mario responds: The continued spitting, urinating and defecating in public that can be seen across India is a national disgrace, aided and abetted by the failure of the municipal authorities to provide adequate and clean public toilets. I have seen low income areas in other tropical countries in Latin America and the Caribbean where the modest houses or shacks do not have their own toilets, but everyone uses the many public toilets which are kept relatively clean. In India, probably because of the habits brought by villagers migrating to urban areas, people have no compunction in urinating and defecating in public. While travelling by bus from Mumbai to Pune or Mumbai to Goa, when the buses stop for a break, even obviously middle-income Indian men head for the fields and open spaces rather than line up at the public toilet. The public toilets at the Kadamba Bus Station are far cleaner than any public toilet I have seen in either Mumbai or Pune, where the insides are so filthy that one has no choice but to go on the outside. I have no idea what the women do in India, especially those wearing saris. I'm afraid to ask, but I'm sure someone will tell us:-)).
Re: [Goanet] Basic info on taxes
Mervyn, Knowing the floor price of gold would have taken genius, clairvoyance and a lot of luck. Knowing the floor price of real estate would take the same talents. Since you have made statements that would lead one to conclude you are possessed of all three, please advise when we could expect the next market crash and what would be it's floor. Many thanks, Roland. From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, May 28, 2008 at 11:03 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Basic info on taxes To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Some pointers: 1) Only the inexperienced buy when prices are collapsing. It is just like trying to catch a falling knife. More often than not, you will get cut. The more experienced will let the knife fall to the floor and then safely pick it up when it lies there.
[Goanet] Church seating conventions - an informal survey (Please respond)
A few days back I attended the requiem mass of a relative at St. Thomas Church in Aldona. For a change I was early but sat on the very last pew at the left. A single adult female entered and sat a few rows ahead of me and instinctively I knew she was not a regular at this church. If she was she would not have sat where she did. Let me explain. Imagine yourself standing at the centre of the Aldona church facing the altar. On your left and right will be two sets of pews. We shall call the one on the left North West pews and the one on the right North East pews. Behind you will be two more sets of pews which I will call South West pews and South East pews respectively. Now the very front rows of both the North pews are sometimes occupied by close family etc during special masses such as funerals, weddings etc. For the purpose of this study I am referring to conventional masses and nothing special such as a First Holy Communion or similar mass. The North West and South West pews are occupied predominantly my males and occasionally by families and couples but never by a single female (ie a female attending mass alone) and hence my earlier observation. The North East pews are occupied by females only and very rarely by a male child but almost never by an adult male. The South East pews are similar but one might sight an adult male as part of a family but not attending singly. It is not uncommon to see a couple arriving together and then separating in the church to go to the male/female section. As a child I remember these unwritten seating conventions were even more rigidly adhered to. I have attended mass in other churches but not enough times to discern any seating pattern. Do other churches also have such seating conventions? Are they gender based or on age or any other factoir? Also I would like to know if churches in other countries also have evolved any special seating patterns. Also churches of denominations other than Roman Catholic. Also how did these seating conventions come about? I read somewhere that this subtle segregation was made for many reasons including avoiding distractions (due to proximity of opposite sexes) as well as due to the harmonics thus achieved in hymn singing. Of course in some countries there was segregation by skin colour rather than gender. My father tells me that in earlier days when there were no pews it was convention to have the womenfolk seated on the floor in front with the menfolk standing behind or on the choir/balcony. Some women of the elite classes used to bring a small wooden stool (bankin) to sit. Mostly because they wore a dress/skirt rather than a sari. Also menfolk had to have long sleeves to receive communion and... But I digress. The purpose of this survey is only to study seating convention in churches. We will study other aspects such as dress codes etc later. I look forward to your inputs. Cheers! Cecil ===
Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down
What exactly are you saying. I do not usually get into dissections of text. But I see something special in your paragraph below so have a few concerns. I am referring you by both Satyawan Govekar as well as Satyamev Jayate, since you do not sign your text with you Satyavan, although the root of those words is the same. __ SG: Satyawan Govekar; SJ: Satyamev Jayate VJP: Venantius J Pinto __ SG / SJ: It is very sad that today Dotor bab is not on side of Goa. VJP: Clarification would have made it clearer as to your awareness behind what you say above. SG / SJ: Goans have given you love and trust. VJP: What are you saying — that Goans gave him love — to suggest and mean what? Is he otherwise bereft of such human necessity. SG / SJ : Anyway even if GBA does not fight, people will still fight. But it will be sad day if Dotor Oscar and GBa is not with us. VJP: The people would surely expect it of themselves, as well as having decent leaders. SG / SJ: Goa is like a patient on hospital bed. Dotor Bab please do not fail in your duty. Do not let Goa down. VJP: Unusual analogy. But again it would be decent and prident to state what Dotor-bab is not doing, or could do more of; or the manner in which he is / or could be letting Goa, and you, me, as well as, the rest of us down. SG / SJ: There is Konkani saying that those who take you on their head can also put you under their feet. VJP: Give us the Konkani/Konknni. Besides that,w hat you say is very harsh. Very harsh, it amounts to a threat. They expose ones frustration and weaknesses particularly to those who can handle such comments. Venantius J Pinto Message: 1 Date: 29 May 2008 03:18:29 - From: Satyawan Govekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down It is very sad that today Dotor bab is not on side of Goa. Goans have given you love and trust. Please do not betray that trust. Please do not let Goa and Goans down. Anyway even if GBA does not fight, people will still fight. But it will be sad day if Dotor Oscar and GBa is not with us. Goa is like a patient on hospital bed. Dotor Bab please do not fail in your duty. Do not let Goa down. There is Konkani saying that those who take you on their head can also put you under their feet. Satyamev Jayate whoever is friends with Dotor Oscar please tell him not to do such big mistake. All Goa will continue to support him if he is fighting for Goa. Please give him this message
[Goanet] Matka Numbers
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[Goanet] Can someone post a summary of the Interim Task?
Dear Dr. Kelekar, The entire Interim Report [with annexures] is available in PDF format at www.savegoa.com Please read Page 1 MANDATE and 2.HOW IS RPG-2021 DIFFERENT FROM PREVIOUS RPs 2 a) Incorporates Transparency and People's Participation. [The GBA had to constantly demand for the minutes of the Task Force meetings held since 04 October, 2007. They were made available as bikini minutes ...that hid the essentials of even the presentations that we made on behalf of various constituents of GBA like the Bailancho Sad, GOACAN, Botanical Society of Goa, Centre for Panchayati Raj, Council for Social Justice Peace, Utth Goenkara and GBA ...only at the fag end of April, and that too only up to 26 March, 2008. The minutes were not issued till the fact that the minutes are not being circulated reached the newspapers as members of the public and GBA alike began losing patience. One GBA member was falsely accused of leaking information to the Press about the non circulation of minutes for SIX months and a DOZEN meetings! The Convener of GBA, Dr. Oscar Rebello, sent a written protest letter to the Vice-Chairman, Arch Charles Correa on 16 April, 2006, to protest his shameful behaviour with one of the lady members who represented Dr.Oscar while he attended to his patients. That the Government planned to issue an Ordinance amending the TCP Act, 1974 was known to the Task Force but not the public. The Ordinance was issued on 29 February, 2008, and the Bill was passed unopposed by our dear members of the opposition in March, 2008, in a jiffy as if it was IFFI. We in the GBA got a copy of the Bill after it was passed. That is the transparency! The less said about the common man's participation in the process, the better. ] 2 c) Synergise the top-down regional framework .. with the down-top participatory plans mandated under the 73rd/74th Constitutional Amendment Act. [The amount of hungama that has been generated when this point was raised with the Task Force vide GBA letter bearing Inward No. 462 of 27/5/2008 that was released to the press ...apparently by some confusion, it is now alleged by some sources ... is proof of what the Task Force has actually done about INCORPORATING the spirit and the letter of the 73rd and 74th Amendments in its PROCEDURES thus far.] Pages 103 and 104 SAFEGUARDING THE PLAN 1 The TF, though its consultative process, recognises that: a) The Goa TCP Act '74 needs crucial amendments that restrict Goa Government from recommending land use changes [The amendment passed in March, 2008, does just the opposite!] b) The GTCP has to firmly stress that ODPs/CDPs are an integral part of RPG-21 [Go tell that to the Marines! The PDAs are actually to be converted into Taluka Planning Bodies. It has also decided about Mopa Airport, 80 metre wide National Highways, Minor Ports and Marinas under V. PHYSICAL INFRASTRUCTURE on pages 71 to 76, with a map on page 72 and under 4.4 SPORTS AND RECREATION on page 70 provided for the 36th National Games, work on which has been started on MLA Francisco Silveira's birthday this month at Batim, Goa Velha and Neura.] The whole INTERIM REPORT reads like an Alister Macleans or James Hardley Chase triller: it is full of surprises. The euphemism for surprises that the TF uses is transparency' Happy reading. When you are done, write to the Nodal Oficer [Technical] Mr. S.T. Putturaju, Senior Town Planner, or to Nodal Officer [Admn] Mr. Sanjit Rodrigues, OSD to the CM and also the current MD of GTDC at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or post it to the TASK FORCE on RPG 2021, Maquineze Palace, Old GMC Complex, Near INOX, Campal, Panaji-Goa, 403 001 ...and hope to hear something, may be they will begin to acknowledge receipt. That is not something they have done so far,except if it unavoidable ...like you present a duplicate copy for endorsement of the Entry/Inward Clerk. Mog asundi. Miguel Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 22:04:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Samir Kelekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Can someone post a summary of the Interim Task report? Hi Can someone who has read the Interim task report for the upcoming Regional Plan put a summary out there of the main points? It will be much appreciated. regards, Samir -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
[Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down
Dears, I am the official Minutes Keeper of the GBA ...but that is really besides the point. I am not writing anything official here. Xenophobia of the mais papista de que Papa stray Editor, who reportedly asked his boss for a raise after the KPA agitation a score years ago, now makes an oblique reference to Ritu Prasad. We all must bless her name forever for the great work she has done since 03 December, 2006 to date ...inspite of even the Task Force trying to isolate her ...or, worse, drive a wedge between her and the lady who works in tandem with her, Patricia Pinto. Without these two ladies, Patricia and Ritu, WORKING TOGETHER, neither would the RP 2011 go out, nor can we dream of PARTICIPATORY PLANNING for RPG 2021. That, my dears is the sinister aim of all that is happening these days, starting 28 May evening as far as the press is concerned. It has been simmering since the Gram Sabhas of April, 2008, became eye openers across Goa. Read more about the Mole and the Balchao in Parrikar's Goa in tomorrow's GT TIMES page A8 this coastal state is really beginning to process and preserve fish for the rainy season. For the Parrikars there is Ray fish para, for the Narayan's it is Kingfish 'mole and for the remaining Goans and pro-Goans there is the Balchao ...naturally! ;-) Those who do not enjoy fish can feast on the skimpily clad girls in the newspapers ...and some reports of the alleged split that is now geting visible ... no not amongst the girls, but in the GBA. Mog asundi. Jiv hasundi :-) Miguel PS Patricia and Ritu came together ..from Patricia's house, for the GBA meeting on 26 May,2008 ...two days after Rajan's report. His power of observation would no longer pass the Kim's Game. He is no Boy Scout, either, ...though he likes Brownie points! Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 13:16:22 + From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down Just to play devil's advocate, and present another view: From Rajan Narayan's Stray Thoughts, May 24-30, 2008 (before the controversy below errupted) -- GBA SPLIT And a few stray observations on the sharp differences that have come up in the Goa Bachao Abhiyan. I understand that the BJP moles and fellow collaborators of the communal and fascist Leader of the Opposition, Manohar Parrikar, are trying to split the GBA. Ironically, the BJP and RSS moles in the GBA are apparently targeting Patricia Pinto who has been virtually running the secretariat of the GBA single-handedly. Apparently Ritu Prasad, who was also representing the GBA at the Task Force, has disowned responsibility and joined the chorus against Patricia. The real target of course of Parrikar's minions and collaborators in the GBA is Dr Oscar Rebelo. Parrikar's chamchas and those in the GBA who consider themselves the sole custodians of Goan identity and culture have not forgiven Dr Oscar Rebelo for his statement that outsiders who are committed to Goa are more Goan than Goans who have conspired to destroy Goa. Indeed, if the government and the CM accept the recommendations in the interim report totally, there would be no scope for any mischief not only by the TCP minister, but by any of the ministers including the CM. But the tragedy is that the CM Digambar Kamat has not yet made any statement about his stand on the interim report. I suspect that Digambar Kamat may not even have read the Task Force report properly -- -Original Message- From: Rajan P. Parrikar [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, 28 May 2008 21:28:59 To:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down To Goanet - Please, Satyawan, cut out this mawkish talk. We don't need any cult of personalities in the struggle to reclaim Goa. Nobody is indispensible, least of all someone whose only 'contribution' has been strutting around on TV shows and interview panels. Regards, r -- -- -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-. Miguel Braganza, S1 Gracinda Apts, Rajvaddo, Mhapsa 403507 Goa Ph 9822982676 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.-.
Re: [Goanet] Basic info on luck
Roland Francis wrote: Knowing the floor price of gold would have taken genius, clairvoyance and a lot of luck. Roland, On the contrary, it was real easy to see the floor for gold. Maybe I can show you how it's done. Use any financial website to pull up a chart for the POG (price of gold) for the last twenty years. The floor is clearly seen and the point where to buy too, is clear. If it is not, pull up the chart for the last 15 years. This one is much clearer to read. Clairvoyance, IMHO, is the field of the blind leading the desperate. This is the first time I have heard someone who thinks it is used in investing. Lastly, luck does help and I have lots of it. Knowing the floor price of real estate would take the same talents. Knowing the floor price for real estate would require talents The talents are: 1) Patience 2) An ability to read charts and 3) Lots of luck Since you have made statements that would lead one to conclude you are possessed of all three, please advise when we could expect the next market crash and what would be it's floor. Unfortunately, I get this question too often. My standard response is: If I could look into the future, I would not be looking for stock prices. I would be looking for the winning numbers of lotteries. Investing is not for everybody. It is especially not for those who have no money to risk. Lastlly, did you have any luck with the search for an ETF that tracks the values of US real estate? Mervyn3.0 Money is not the most important thing in the world. Love is. Fortunately, I love money.” __ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/
Re: [Goanet] Can someone post a summary of the Interim Task?
Check the report below: http://www.divshare.com/download/4610824-10e Can someone who has read the Interim task report for the upcoming Regional Plan put a summary out there of the main points? It will be much appreciated. regards, Samir -- Frederick FN Noronha * Independent Journalist http://fn.goa-india.org * Phone +91-832-2409490
[Goanet] Saving Goa with a Camera...
Saving Goa with a camera... I guess all those who are actively working to free Goa from the destructive forces, which also includes the COMMUNIAL elements out to divide and destruct Goa should step aside... Only one man can save Goa and no one else...NO ONE ELSE...but one foolhardy... All those on the red goan soil...and outside it...Goans all over the world and Goans in Goa...be aware and step aside...only one man can save Goa... I guess your guess is as good as mine... Cedric da Costa Dubai
[Goanet] 29th too late but 4 was Open. 30th play 2 open and then 7 closed. 31st try an XX but desist if open is 9. I don't do Kalyan!
Message: 11 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 18:10:51 +0530 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Matka Numbers To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Dear Cecil Can you provide me lucky nos list for kalyan Bombay for 29.05.2008 to 31.05.2008 IMPORTANT NOTICE: This e-mail, including any attachments, may contain privileged, confidential, and/or proprietary information, and is intended only to be seen and used by the named addressee(s). If you are not the intended recipient of this e-mail, you are notified that any discussion, distribution or copying of this e-mail, and any attachments, is strictly prohibited. If you have received this e-mail in error, please notify the sender immediately, and permanently delete the original and any copies of the e-mail, any attachments, and any printout without reading, distributing or copying them. Thank you. --
Re: [Goanet] Basic info on taxes
Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:40:07 -0400 From: Roland Francis [EMAIL PROTECTED] Knowing the floor price of gold would have taken genius, clairvoyance and a lot of luck. Knowing the floor price of real estate would take the same talents. Since you have made statements that would lead one to conclude you are possessed of all three, please advise when we could expect the next market crash and what would be it's floor. Mario adds: What I want to know is a) whether Mervyn is advising his brothers in arms who bought gold at USD1,000 based on his advice, to buy more gold now that it is down below USD900. If it was a good deal at USD1,000 isn't it a better deal at USD900 because the crystal ball says it's going to USD1,650? Or, should they wait until the slippery knife falls even lower?:-)) b) whether Mervyn voluntarily pays additional taxes to the Canadian government because of all the FREE social services it provides and because of his belief that the more taxes one pays the more patriotic one is. There's a sucker born every minute - Merv...,...um, P.T. Barnum:-))
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Re: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down
All Goa will continue to support him if he is fighting for Goa Dear Satyawan Govekar. Since 1961, Goan patriots, past or present, have fougth for GOA. And see where Goa has landed. It is apparent that our so called Goan patriots have not been fighting for GOA but have been fighting GOANS. Otherwise we wouldn't have Vasco as our Dharavi of Mumbai, our hills decimated, our water resources destroyed by the mining lords, our cities decaying thanks to our citiy fathers, etc. Therefore, a time has come for GOANs not to support those few who are fighting for GOA and go to sleep, but instead, let us GOANs start fighting for GOA ourselves for once without putting our trust on a few Goa's Saviors to Save GOA. I am saying it again. Goa Su-Raj Party had forwarded a bulky report to the Task Force. It never got called for the hearing. This is an insult and cannot be corrected by including a few of our points into the so called interim report. RP-2021 must be framed with care and over a comfortable period of time. It cannot be notified as planned by end of June, 2008. WE OBJECT - Task Force or no Task Force. We also fully support Rajan when he says that no one is indispensable. Cheers floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: Satyawan Govekar [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: goanet goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, May 29, 2008 8:48 AM Subject: [Goanet] Dotor Oscar do not let Goa down Goans are really very proud of Dotor Oscar bab and the Goa Bachao Andolan. Yesterday we were very happy to see that the GBA is refusing to become a tamed cat and decided to roar like a tiger against the Task Force. But in todays Times of India Dotor bab is singing new tune saying that he is thinking that Report of Task Force is very good and correct. which means he is opposing what GBA is saying yesterday. Is there a split in GBA? Goans might be not having knowledge to understand what is in Report, but we are understanding that deadline of 30 June for Regional plan means Government is trying to cheat. This Government is saying and doing all wrong things by doing change in TCP ACT. They are speaking against rights of villagers to defend their village. It is very sad that today Dotor bab is not on side of Goa. Goans have given you love and trust. Please do not betray that trust. Please do not let Goa and Goans down. Anyway even if GBA does not fight, people will still fight. But it will be sad day if Dotor Oscar and GBa is not with us. Goa is like a patient on hospital bed. Dotor Bab please do not fail in your duty. Do not let Goa down. There is Konkani saying that those who take you on their head can also put you under their feet. Satyamev Jayate whoever is friends with Dotor Oscar please tell him not to do such big mistake. All Goa will continue to support him if he is fighting for Goa. Please give him this message
[Goanet] Three wine recipes: from a book by Edwin Saldanha ...
THREE WINE RECIPES: FROM A BOOK BY EDWIN SALDANHA -- Wine is the fermented, pure, poetic essence of mother nature. Wine is revered in religious rituals. Secrets of successful wine making, a very ancient art, are closely guarded by many cultures. However, this book, for the first time in India, exposes these secrets to amateurs through Eddy Saldanha's time-tested recipes. Home-made wine of Goa imbibe the knowledge of eastern and western traditions. Eddy's user-friendly instructions lead your way to successful wine-making at home, using simple ingredients. *Successful Goan Home Wines*, by Edwin Saldanha (a former teacher of St Britto's and Scoutmaster, who died a couple of years ago) is published by Rajhauns Vitrans (1 Meenakshi Bldg, Dr Wolfango da Silva Marg, Panjim 403001 Ph 2220320 or 2232177 [EMAIL PROTECTED]) -- APPLE WINE Here's one apple wine. You will love it. You will need: 2 lemons 10 gms yeast 2 gms KMS (potassium metabisulphite) 4 kgs apples, any cheaper type will do 2 kgs sugar 6 litres boiling water 250 gms raisins, chopped METHOD: Chop the apples with the skin after washing them. Boil for 15 minutes with thinly peeled rind of lemons. Strain the liquor over the sugar. Stir well and cover. When the liquor is lukewarm, add the activated yeast. Add the strained juice of lemons, cover and leave for 24 hours. Next day, pour into a large jar and stand in a warm place for about seven days. When the fermentation has ceased, put the raisins in a clean dry storage jar. Siphon the wine over the raisins. Leave it for maturing for four months. Rack and bottle after adding the 2 gms of KMS. -- BANANA WINE This wine can be made sweet or dry. You will need: 1.5 kg bananas, about six large ones. 4 gms KMS (potassium metabisulphite) 1 kg sugar for dry, or 1.5 kg for sweet wine 250 ml freshly made strong tea Strained juice of two lemons or three gms citric acid 100 gms yeast Five litres water METHOD: Boil the bananas in two litres of water and mash them. When boiling add 1/2 of the sugar. When lukewarm, add two gms KMS, tea and the lemon juice. Do the pulp fermentation in a bucket. After four days strain the mixture through a cloth in to a fermentation jar. Add the remaining sugar, stir and add the yeast. Add the remaining water, boiled and slightly warm (lukewarm) and stir. Keep for fermentation for 21 days or unitl bubbling has stopped. Rack three times and bottle after three months. Mature for at least six months. Don't forget to add 2 gms KMS after each racking. -- BHINDA WINE These semi-wild fruits are available in plenty. If you or your neighbour has a binda tree, collect the fruit previously fallen on the ground. You may add this to those shaken down from the tree. Use only the ripe fruit and discard the over-ripe and red inside. You will need: 4 kgs bhinda shells 3 kgs sugar 400 gms wheat 10 gms or 3 teaspoons yeast 4 gms KMS 6 litres boiling water 2 t.s. tea leaves METHOD: Remove the seeds, after cutting open the fruit. Keep the red shells with some white pulp. Throw away the seeds. Pour boilding water over it and add 2 gms KMS. Keep for 24 hours. Strain the juice in to the fermentation jar. Add 1 1/2 kg sugar, wheat, just washed but not crushed, tea leaves and yeast. Keep for eight days to ferment. On the 9th day, add the remainign 1 1/2 kg sugar. Let it ferment for anotehr 10 days. All this time, keep on stirring every alternate day. After 21 days, siphon the clear wine leaving the solids which are to be discarded. Rack after 48 hours and bottle after adding two gms KMS. [NOTE ON RACKING: Wine could be entirely lacking in vinosity and would develop off flavours if it was not periodically separated from its deposits. This is called racking. Racking is best done with a siphon, when fermentation has stopped i.e. after about 21 to 24 days, may be sometimes earlier or later, depending on when the fermentation has stopped. After sedimentation, keep the wine to settle for 48 hous, and the first racking is done. If the wine is clear, add KMS and bottle. But if not clear, leave the wine in the jar for three weeks more, by tims time it will be clear. If still not clear, the wine may be kept for three months before racking. Even three rackings are not too many before bottling. Racking helps to ensure that the wine will be in sound condition before maturing. Every time you rack, add sufficient quantity of KMS. Do not keep the fermented wine too long withou tracking, or else the wine will be turbid, or it may even spoil. This turbidity is almost impossible to remove. It is unwise to rack an actively fermenting wine. The sediment in the fermentation jar consists of fruit pulp and dead yeast. This must be removed before it putrifies and taints the young wine.] --
[Goanet] The Goan Overseas Association -TORONTO , CANADA is pleased to launch CareerLINK
Friends - please share this post with GOANS wherever they may be. Thanks rene 88 The Goan Overseas Association is pleased to launch CareerLINK, a career resource page dedicated to providing the Goan community with access to information and resources related to job search and career development. Some of the exciting sections in CareerLINK include: * “Secrets of Success – Mentor Profiles” from out LINKED 2007 Career Networking Event * * Career Articles – suitable for job seekers, students, career changers, New Canadians or * anyone interested in developing their career (posted monthly) * Career QA – ask questions and find answers to general career-related questions * Job Postings – available job opportunities with various companies New sections will be coming soon, so please stay tuned! If you have a career-related question, please send your question to [EMAIL PROTECTED] (** PLEASE NOTE: depending on the volume of questions, we may not be able to respond to all questions submitted – please check other sections of CareerLINK for further information and resources that may be available to you). If you are an employer, or work for a company, that would like to advertise job openings with your company or organization, please visit the Job Postings section (on the main website) to submit your opportunity for posting. This is a free service. Visit our website atwww.goatoronto.comto access CareerLINK. Sincerely, Lydia Fernandes, Career Education Coordinator - G.O.A. = rene barreto WORLD ALLIANCE OF GOAN ASSOCIATIONS http://whatsongoanworld.blogspot.com/
[Goanet] Bernie d Souza/AE/ABNAMRO/NL is out of the office.
I will be out of the office starting 05/29/2008 and will not return until 06/04/2008. In case of any urgent requirements or queries you may send an E-mail to : manoj. p. [EMAIL PROTECTED] or [EMAIL PROTECTED] Best Regards Bernie D'Souza --- This message (including any attachments) is confidential and may be privileged. If you have received it by mistake please notify the sender by return e-mail and delete this message from your system. Any unauthorised use or dissemination of this message in whole or in part is strictly prohibited. Please note that e-mails are susceptible to change. ABN AMRO Bank N.V, which has its seat at Amsterdam, the Netherlands, and is registered in the Commercial Register under number 33002587, including its group companies, shall not be liable for the improper or incomplete transmission of the information contained in this communication nor for any delay in its receipt or damage to your system. ABN AMRO Bank N.V. (or its group companies) does not guarantee that the integrity of this communication has been maintained nor that this communication is free of viruses, interceptions or interference. ---
Re: [Goanet] God or no God
Mario Goveia wrote: Einstein's utter humility about the unattainable secrets of the harmony of the cosmos, his belief in a God that reveals himself in the lawful harmony of all that exists, and his humble recognition that there are domains where scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot, clearly separates him from agenda driven atheists like Santosh, who nevertheless seek to speak for Einstein. The gratuitous insinuation above that scientists like me do not recognize that there are domains where scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot is utterly false. Every scientist that I know and have ever known, myself included, is motivated to engage in scientific research precisely because we firmly believe that most things about the natural world are not yet known. Also, the acknowledgment above that Einstein believed in a natural God also belies the poster's repeated claims that Einstein was an atheist. For example, please see the quote below: Mario Goveia wrote: While the theory of intelligent design may not be entirely scientific, neither can the hand of a supernatural being guiding evolution be disproved. In fact, even an atheist scientist like Einstein seems to humbly acknowledge this while separating himself from most atheists who he apparently sees as arrogant. The above statement is also quite obviously misleading for other reasons. What Einstein meant regarding the non-falsifiable and unscientific nature of supernatural interference can be gleaned from his entire quote on this point. Here it is again: To be sure, the doctrine of a personal God interfering with the natural events could never be refuted, in the real sense, by science, for this doctrine can always take refuge in those domains in which scientific knowledge has not yet been able to set foot. But I am persuaded that such behaviour on the part of the representatives of religion would not only be unworthy but also fatal. For a doctrine which is able to maintain itself not in clear light but only in the dark, will of necessity lose its effect on mankind, with incalculable harm to human progress... ..A. Einstein That, as a scientist, Einstein himself did not believe in supernatural causation or interference in natural events is clear from his following quote, in addition to those I had provided earlier: The main source of the present-day conflicts between the spheres of religion and of science lies in this concept of a personal God. Scientists aim to uncover the immutable laws that govern reality, and in doing so they must reject the notion that divine will, or for that matter human will, plays a role that would violate this cosmic causality. ..A. Einstein Einstein also said that he did not believe in a supernatural God who could meddle at whim in the events of his creation or in the lives of his creatures, but that he believed in the metaphorical divinity of natural order, like Spinoza. Cheers, Santosh
Re: [Goanet] Goencho mando./Goemchem Git
I have some collections of Traditional Songs - Mandos, Dulpod, Dekhnis, Ovis/Zotis etc and I too would be interested to see the version of TSKK. I also have with me late Rev Dr. Lourdino Barretos Book - Goemchem Git, part 1 2 which has lyrics of Mandos, Dulpods and Deknis in Romi and also the music cords. This book provided me the answer to the question..Who is the original writer or singer of the traditional Konkani songs? As Dr. Barreto puts it, in his own words...Him gitam haddop- hem zaitem zannachem kam, tim kednanch borounk nant punn eke than dusrea thonddant, gait ail'lim gitam. which roughly translated means...these songs were brought by many people...it was the work of many goans and these songs were never written but sung from one mouth to another... meaning one sung them as they heard and in course of time changed the words. I have been working in compiling these Traditional songs for a few years now, and these will be in two versions...1. as heard on CD's/MP3 and 2nd as per the book n notes Besides the Traditional Mandos, dulpods, my compilation of lyrics also has new Mandos sung by various artists, + 70 songs of Alfred n Rita Rose, 30 songs of Lorna and around 60 songs of famous tiatrists. I am still working on word/pdf file and I will share these songs with Goemkars on request. and this is for my maim bhas...KONKANI Dev borem Korum...long live konkani Edward Verdes Chinchinim/Jeddah/KSA. Riza's attending a summer camp at the TSKK (Thomas Stevens Konknni Kendr) at Alto Porvorim these days, and she passed on to me a sheet of traditional mandos. Kai Borelo Komblo. Amnni Gumnni. Undir Mana. Moddganvam Thoveager. Monte Sokolu. Hanv Saiba Poltoddi Voitam. And even Ulhas Buyao's (if I got it right) Chan'neache Rati (On A Silvery Moonlit Night). If anyone from the TSKK is reading this, as is probable, please share the lyrics of these traditional songs. Plain-text, no formatting. Thanks! FN
[Goanet] LIMERICK FOR THE DAY 114 - BOOK ON MARIO MIRANDA
BOOK ON MARIO MIRANDA A definitive book on the life and work of Mario Miranda was overdue, It will hopefully provide a comprehensive and unique overview Of his versatility and skill, And the wishes of his fans fulfill – To those who have worked on this project, let's just say: Thank you. - Shanti Dhoot RE: Message: 12 of Goanet Digest, Vol 3, Issue 621; 25 May 2008 From: Goanet News [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Pin-ups replacing cartoons: Mario Miranda (Navhind Times) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] *Pin-ups http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=052552Pin-ups*replacing cartoons: Mario Miranda PANAJI -- The celebrated Goan cartoonist, Mario de Miranda on Saturday observed that Goa has stopped producing cartoonists of high calibre as the cartoons in newspapers have been replaced by pin-ups. The 284-page book being published by Architecture Autonomous, will be released during a special function, in the city, on July 19. Gerard de Cunha, who has been working on the project, in the introduction to the book says, I was ecstatic with the 25 volumes of material I collected, but was completely lost in the vastness of Mario's world, incapable of making a choice or organising the book. This period lasted four months and then in a three-week frenzy, I managed to put it all together. The book includes 800 drawings, encompassing all his major phases, writings by and on him and also the objets d'art that have been spawned by his work, he adds. The book includes Mario's short biography by the internationally acclaimed writer, Manohar Malgaonkar, Tomorrow is another day, by Vinod Mehta and a write-up on Mario by Nissim Ezekiel, besides articles titled Death of a friend and Cartoons - American style by Mario himself. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=052552
[Goanet] CAN GOA BE SAVED
With ‘political compulsions’ the basis of Digambar Kamat’s government, Goa is definitely in for a spell of political uncertainty. With everyone clamouring for Ministerial berths and all eyeing exclusively for plum lucrative portfolios, it only confirms that these MLAs have not embarked on a mission to serve the people but to help themselves and make the best while it lasts. nbsp; After dishing out all posts and positions, Digambar Kamat would have to get down to attending some of the serious issues confronting Goa and Goans. nbsp; We need to have Goa’s planned development with an environmental vision by first improving Goa's crumbling basic infrastructure while tackling serious issues like garbage and vehicle parking in cities on a top priority. nbsp; So much needs to be done but with Sonia Gandhi and the High Commandnbsp; virtually deciding Goa Chief Minister’s agenda, it isnbsp; also a very exorbitant added burden to the tax payers of Goa with the CM and his squabbling Ministers constant air-dashing to Delhi. nbsp; Aires Rodrigues Ribandar __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
Re: [Goanet] Goa has become a Toilet
Mario Goveia wrote: [1] The continued spitting, urinating and defecating in public that can be seen across India is a national disgrace, aided and abetted by the failure of the municipal authorities to provide adequate and clean public toilets. [2] I have seen low income areas in other tropical countries in Latin America and the Caribbean where the modest houses or shacks do not have their own toilets, but everyone uses the many public toilets which are kept relatively clean. [3] In India, probably because of the habits brought by villagers migrating to urban areas, people have no compunction in urinating and defecating in public. [4] I have no idea what the women do in India, especially those wearing saris. I'm afraid to ask, but I'm sure someone will tell us:-)). == jc's response: Excellent posting. addendum 1: Even if the 'municipal authorities provide adequate and clean public toilets', I cannot envisage that the paan-spitters NOT spitting the red stuff on the walls of buildings and on the foot-paths. At most they would also spit all over the public toilets and continue spitting on the walls. addendum 2: The evidence of spitting started appearing on Goan walls and of defecation on Goan beaches started appearing only after 1965. BUT, If one is to believe some arm-chair planners who do not have a clue of the magnitude of the problem, the answer apparently is to place Port-a-loos all over the place. So, tourists can visit churches, temples and Portaloos! re [4] supra: One surely has heard of Don't ask, Don't Tell (:-) jc
[Goanet] Welcome to Bogmalo Beach
Video clip http://youtube.com/watch?v=JI6whfmHd0I Photos... facing the beach/sea to your right http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2476846240/sizes/l/ to your left http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2476031045/sizes/l/ infront of you http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2476031315/sizes/l/ Clue: bat island is seen again Bonus (Indian Mermaid seen buried in the sand/shore) http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk5/2476847118/sizes/l/ [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa or http://is.rediff.com/profilevisitor.php?mem_id=48419 __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
Re: [Goanet] Basic info on voluntary taxes
Mario Goveia wrote: What I want to know is a) whether Mervyn is advising his brothers in arms who bought gold at USD1,000 based on his advice, to buy more gold now that it is down below USD900. If it was a good deal at USD1,000 isn't it a better deal at USD900 because the crystal ball says it's going to USD1,650? Or, should they wait until the slippery knife falls even lower?:-)) Mario :-) I need to know where you got the info that I told anyone to buy gold at $1,000. Can you send me the link to the website or post? b) whether Mervyn voluntarily pays additional taxes to the Canadian government because of all the FREE social services it provides and because of his belief that the more taxes one pays the more patriotic one is. I called both my tax accountants. The US tax accountant said that the very first box he clicked in preparing my tax return was one consenting to a voluntary tax to cover the cost of US elections. The Canadian tax accountant told me that there were no voluntary taxes in Canada as the govt was running its budget at a surplus. Let me put this in words even you can understand. In Canada, the majority of people who are in good health pay for the medical expenses of the few who have health problems. Those in the prime of their lives, pay for the health care that the elderly need. Even after doing so, the govt runs its budget at a surplus. I believe the current US administration is the only one in the G8 that has to go begging people to keep on buying its bonds. The the govt then spends this money, like drunken sailors, on a war that has been declared by Georgie Bush as, Mission accomplished.. Lastly, I must admit that I really admire your dependence on milking the tax system in order to make your real estate gamble work. Very, very patriotic of you. Mervyn3.0 Idiots are always in favour of inequality of income (their only chance of eminence), and the really great in favour of equality. - George Bernard Shaw - __ Be smarter than spam. See how smart SpamGuard is at giving junk email the boot with the All-new Yahoo! Mail. Click on Options in Mail and switch to New Mail today or register for free at http://mail.yahoo.ca
[Goanet] Governor, CM greet Goans on Statehood Day
Governor, CM greet Goans on Statehood Day PANAJI - The Governor, Mr S C Jamir and the Chief Minister, Mr Digambar Kamat greeted Goans on Statehood Day that will be observed on Friday. Mr Jamir appealed to Goans to extend their whole-hearted co-operation and unflinching support in maintaining peace, tranquility and communal unity and social amity, as well political stability, so that the state can achieve greater progress, prosperity and renewed glory, while the Chief Minister said that on this day he took the opportunity to reiterate the government's determination to work for the upliftment of the common man and to provide transparent, efficient and good governance to the people of Goa and appealed to the people to extend their whole hearted support and cooperation to the government in achieving further socio-economic development. Mr Jamir said that May 30 is an epoch-making date for it was on this day in the year 1987 that the Union Territory Goa, attained a full-fledged statehood, due to the efforts of the people. He said this is a day which calls for intense introspection and objective retrospection on the gains of the past, the challenges of the present and the opportunities in the future and this day is most opportune occasion for people to re-dedicate themselves to making Goa a truly developed state in every respect. The Governor also said that a vitally important and eminently essential factor is the political stability and principled polity adding, I would like to reiterate, as I have been emphasizing in the past, that the people of Goa should have a fresh and in-depth assessment of the prevailing political scenario in the state and, once again, prove their political maturity and traditional wisdom by contributing their might in facilitating and promoting political stability, which I am sure, would greatly facilitate accelerated socio-economic progress. The Chief Minister in his statement has said that his government has brought a distinct identity to Goa and at the same time cast greater responsibility on the people to supplement the efforts of the government in the process of development and achieve all round growth of progress. The Chief Minister said that Goa has made spectacular progress in almost all areas of human endeavour after its liberation and particularly after statehood. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=053053
[Goanet] Vandana Shiva: Why We Face Both Food and Water Crises
Vandana Shiva: Why We Face Both Food and Water Crises *By **Maria Armoudian* http://www.alternet.org/authors/9433/* and **Ankine Aghassian* http://www.alternet.org/authors/9434/*, **AlterNet*http://www.alternet.org/ *. Posted **May 15, 2008*http://www.alternet.org/ts/archives/?date[F]=05date[Y]=2008date[d]=15act=Go/ *.* http://www.alternet.org/environment/85433/ venantius
[Goanet] Are Goan Catholic women second class?
Vatican to excommunicate women priests - http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/pope_women_dc Regards, George
[Goanet] Daily Quote #38
___ DAILY QUOTE #38: ___ Forget about Goo-jjars, in Goa we have casteism even in essay competitions and beauty contests! Look at these Kenys and Kinis - what nonsense is this Miss B. Kini contest!! Mickkey P - Minister for Tailoring and Beauty Context. BUCHENWALD: Ecological atrocities in extinct Goa, circa 2008. http://www.parrikar.org/images/samples/floriano-1.JPG To report atrocities, violations, illegalities: Call: 832-2428482 Cell: 9822153280/9422063195 --- _
[Goanet] Saving Goa with a Camera...
Dear Cedric da Costa, I dont know who you are or what you do, but you have hit the nail of the bang on the head! you are genius! It could not have been put better! Indeed, a communal division of Goa, and a creation of a Goa based on ethnic strife is as dangerous as a Goa held to ransom by builders lobbies et al. Thank you for putting the issue back in focus and showing us that the enemy has wonderful ways of disguising himself. many thanks... Jason Message: 5 Date: Thu, 29 May 2008 11:34:18 -0700 (PDT) From: cedrico dacosta [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Saving Goa with a Camera... Saving Goa with a camera... I guess all those who are actively working to free Goa from the destructive forces, which also includes the COMMUNIAL elements out to divide and destruct Goa should step aside... All those on the red goan soil...and outside it...Goans all over the world and Goans in Goa...be aware and step aside...only one man can save Goa... I guess your guess is as good as mine... Cedric da Costa Dubai
