[Goanet] Text of the Memorandum submitted by GGRM to Director of Panchayats
Dears, The text of the Memorandum submitted to the Director of Panchayats to stop the ex parte stay orders given against the Stop Work orders of various Additional Directors of Panchayat [with an in house APPELLATE AUTHORITY of Director of Panchayats to fix one in RED TAPE while the Builder merrily develops the real estate like the industrious ANT thinking the Goan villager is a Sussegad GRASSHOPPER] against the very PANCHAYATS the Directorate of Panchayats is supposed to help. Ex parte orders are normally issued for matters of life and death or when the other party is not contactible. There is no fire in the buildings being constructed, most of them with multiple illegalities forceing Gram Sabha and Panchayats to resolve against them, and .. one believes that the Dirctor of Panchayats would have a telephone directory of the 189 Panchayats in Goa. No need for the Directorate to apply under RTI for a Government telephone directory. It is available to Government officers FREE at the Department of Information and Publicity. My friend, Nikhil Umakant Deasi is the current Director of Information. I can help the Director of Panchayats in getting a directory, if needed. The Stay Orders must go they have outlived their welcome! Mog asundi. Ekchar asundi. Ekvott vaddoni. Miguel PS Please feel free to modify the text as per your village needs and petition the Director of Panchayat or the Village Panchayat. Buy a copy of the GOA PANCHAYAT RAJ ACT, 1994, from the Government Printing Press,1st Floor near Azad maidan, Panaji [entrance opposite Souza Paul photographers.]It is a great help if you have anything to do with a village. Pity that the Goa Municipality Act is still stuck in the Goa Law Dept ...14 years after the 74th Amendment to the Constitution of India! ... Ganv Ghor Rakhonn Manch House No. 1629/A, Vasvaddo, Benaulim, Salcete Goa. Phone: 2771209 Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] GGRM/2008/01 23 June, 2008 Memorandum The Ganv Ghor Rakhonn Manch, a Collective of Village-level movements in Goa to protect the rights of the people to a clean environment and socially just development of their villages, strongly protests the ex parte stay granted by the Directorate of Panchayats, Government of Goa, to various Developers of projects without affording even the Sarpanch or representative of the concerned Village Panchayat an opportunity to be heard by the quasi-judicial officer of the Directorate of Panchayats and state its say in the matter under appeal. This is highly objectionable because the appeal is against a “Stop Work” order issued by a duly elected Panchayat, after due application of mind and resolution of the body based on a direction of the Gram Sabha that is binding on the Panchayat as per the Goa Panchayat Raj Act, 1994 [Please see Chapter 2, Section 6 subsection 4 of the said Act.]. This is all the more intriguing because each of the Village Panchayats, of which the “Stop Work” Order is under appeal by the “Developer”, functions under the control and direction of the Directorate of Panchayat Administration that is issuing ex parte stay orders against it. Therefore, the Ganv Ghor Rakhonn Manch demands as under: 1. That officials of the Directorate of Panchayats [DPA], Government of Goa, should not grant a stay on the operation of a STOP WORK Order or any other order of any Village Panchayat without giving the Sarpanch or duly authorized representative of the concerned Village Panchayat, an opportunity to be heard on the matter and state his say. 2. That the operation of all ex parte Stay Orders of the Directorate of Panchayats against the “Stop Work” orders of the Village Panchayats be vacated or held in abeyance and intimated to the respective “Developers” by special messenger or through the Village Panchayat concerned. 3. That the authority of the Village Panchayat, through its duly elected Sarpanch, over the immovable property within the jurisdiction of the Panchayat for specific functions as provided under the GPR Act, 1994, [GPR Act 1994] after following the proper procedure as laid down under the said Act and rules there under, be recognized and respected by the Directorate of Panchayats in all matters concerning each village in Goa. 4. The right of the people of the village to raise specific questions on construction in the immovable property in the respective village area under Section 6 (1) of the GPR Act, 1994, be recognized and respected by the DPA. 5. That the action of the Village Panchayat as per Section 6 (4) of the Goa Panchayat Raj Act, 1994, in pursuance to the Gram Sabha resolution be recognized and respected by the DPA as mandated by the law. sd/-
Re: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Misinformation
Selma I am reluctant to join in this discussion thread, as it is getting rather personal! However I wish to make 2 points about the article Welcome to Gated Britain. 1. I quote from it There are now more than 1,000 gated communities in England. More than 100,000 people live in them, predominantly in London and the south-east - but increasingly right across the country. London is not England, it is the capital of England, folk from abroad often tend to get the two muddled up, and as the article says, while these gated properties are predominent in the *south-east and London*, they are also beginning to crop up elsewhere i.e. not just London. So your comment below is incorrect: I take it your driving around London is a bit limited then, since you've missed everyone of these 1,000 gated communities and your friend circle must be even less, if you've never come across anyone of those 100,000 people who reportedly live in them. Driving around London only, will not help your search for gated communities if that is your leisure activity. You would need to drive around the whole of England to look for the 1,000 such communities mentioned, and not just London. Incidentally, the article actually talks about the one visited in Aldlerly Edge in Cheshire which is a long way from London, and is in Footballer Land where the residents earn so much, they live in constant fear of being robbed! Well what do they expect!! 2. The 2006 census (the most recent one) showed the population of England to be 50,762,900 (and the whole of the UK at 60,857,300). The article Welcome to Gated Britain states that 100,000 live in such communities. This is a mere drop in the ocean of the vastness of the total population, dont you agree? I personally think that where gated communities exist in any country, they are an urban feature, rather than a rural one. I go to London at least once a month and I know of one such property in Fulham, but then I go there mainly to get my fix of good Indian food which I am unable to get where I live! :-) On which irrevelant pointif anyone is interested Tayyabs in Fieldgate Street, Whitechapel is an excellent BYO restaurant, great food and reasonable prices. Luisa
[Goanet] Welcome to Goa -Pomburpa
Thanks to JoeGoaUK, I was momentarily transported back to that 'haven of peace' - the Spring at Pomburpa which I visited on my last trip to Goa.It brought back many memories of my childhood days especially since Pomburpa is not far from my own village of Salvador-do-Mundo(Saloi), and the Spring that we used to go to quite often. A breath of fresh air on goanet! Mervyn
[Goanet] Viva Sao Joao
VIVA SAO JOAO ! Although this year the monsoons rains did not get the usual downpour from the heavens, Goans did not feel depressed altogether in celebrating the much awaited San Joao festival today. Choll re piea re, tum illo ghe re, fallem kaim mellona. Oslim festam vorsak kiteak don pauttim einna?? the song reminds us all of the celebrations in the past. Baskets of juicy jackfruit, finger-licking good Mussarad mangoes, the last of the pineapples,.. specially 'saved' for sharing at the 'San Joao' festwith the 'ghorcho' caju ani mad'd feni, and the sannas, kholleas, ani the traditional vojjem served were the highlights of the fest! With the seasonal mansoon magic, the mood was wonderful, at least for the day (keeping aside the ever growing political chaos, the language controversy, the 'polluting' subjects, ... and the like). Ulysses Menezes Gaspar Almeida Goa-World Team... in Goa for the Sao Joao ! Goa's Pride - http://www.goa-world.com http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=_Avn6_AepNwamp;feature=related Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter is presented by Ulysses Menezes, www.goa-world.com and moderated by Gaspar Almeida (since 1994)
Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall (Arun Sinha)
Philip Thomas forgot to provide the link to this article, so here it is: http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062420 Although I am one with them with a banner in their procession—because my Mandovi was robbed from me—I am still confused about what saving Goa means. Does it mean freezing Goa, as it exists today? Does it mean stopping all human activities that cause browning and overcrowding of Goa? No industry, no commerce, no tourism, no airports, no flights, no railways, no highways—a China-Walled island of sparse population and a great landscape? Please read this article, it is a very important perspective. Perhaps I feel that way because it reflects my own and possibly that of Philip Thomas. selma --- On Mon, 6/23/08, Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: From: Philip Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall (Arun Sinha)
Re: [Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ?
Mario is right: *** When he says that the Portuguese in Goa were * conquerors *. There is no denying this fact. We all know it very well and it is in the world history books. But Mario is wrong: *** When he says that this is a Portophile issue. In most cases, this has nothing to do with Portugal or the Portuguese anymore. The Portuguese couldn't care less. In fact, today one could even blame the Portuguese for abandoning the true Goan cause in 1975. One could even blame the Portuguese for handing over Goa on a plate illegitimately because that Portuguese government of 1975 was merely a temporary government * not elected democratically *. So they had absolutely no business to mess about with the Goan issue and they lacked a democratic mandate from the people of Portugal in 1975. Despite protests from prominent Goans in 1975, the temporary Portuguese government not elected democratically decided to recognize the annexation of Goa by India but no doubt this Portuguese action was illegitimate and can be challenged even today. This was the last backstabbing from Portugal to Goans (1975)! This discussion - has to do with us Goans when Nehru said in the Indian Parliament that he would march over Goa regardless of the wishes of Goans. He was not interested at all about what Goans really wanted. And no doubt that there were three clear options all with considerable supporters inside and outside Goa: 1) Independent nation, 2) Merger with Indian Union, 3) Continue under Portuguese rule. - has to do with us Goans when India invaded our territory. A territory that should have been liberated from the Portuguese and handed over to Goans to decide our future in accordance to the real meaning of liberation. In the same way as it happened with the liberation of Kuwait from Iraq. - has to do with us Goans and the fact that according to the Supreme Court of India, Goa was acquired by conquest and subjugation when India took over on the 19th Dec 1961. (ref: Supreme Court of India determination.) - has to do with us Goans when some Goans approached Nehru in 1962 and 1963 for a plebiscite and the request was denied and totally ignored. - has to do with us Goans when the most active freedom fighters approached Nehru with the expectation to be given leading jobs in the supposedly post Dec 1961-free Goa but were sent home with the response that they had already done enough and the jobs went to the Indian bureaucrats from Delhi and Bombay instead. - has to do with us Goans when slowly our laws were changed and our comunidade lands were stolen and violated. - has to do with us Goans when we became a minority in our own land. - has to do with us Goans when the central government decides our future. - has to do with us Goans when we failed to guarantee some sort of protection for our distinct Goan identity. - has to do with us Goans when we continue to claim that we have been liberated (wrongly) when in fact we have been conquered and subjugated, yet again! Best regards Paulo -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Goveia Sent: 23 June 2008 15:52 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ? Mario responds: So, in response to the debate I would say that, in my never humble opinion, the Portuguese in Goa were conquered and Goa was liberated from India's point of view. Forty seven years later the debate remains something that keeps up the blood pressure of many Goan Portophiles, especially those with nostalgic delusions of the supremacy of white Europeans and have entirely too much time on their hands. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1514 - Release Date: 23/06/2008 07:17
[Goanet] INDIAN WRITING IN ENGLISH: Amitav Ghosh... and the 'Sea of Poppies'
http://blogs.reuters.com/indiamasala/2008/06/19/of-amitav-ghosh-bollywood-and-opium/ June 19th, 2008 Of Amitav Ghosh, Bollywood and opium Post a comment (5) Posted by: Tony Tharakan Tags: India Masala, amitav ghosh, Bollywood, interview, opium trade, sea of poppies I wish someone would make a movie on the Sea of Poppies. Amitav Ghosh's latest novel has all the right ingredients for a film set in 19th century India — runaway lovers, a bankrupt Raja, anti-British sentiment, a white woman masquerading as an Indian peasant and a huge ship sailing down the Ganges. Author Amitav GhoshBut Ghosh is unconvinced. It'll be very difficult. Will need a lot of special effects, says the 52-year-old writer. Ghosh just smiles. The silver-haired author, one of India's best known novelists writing in English, is more affable than I had imagined. There had been offers from Bollywood for two of his books — The Hungry Tide (2004) and The Calcutta Chromosome (1995) — but the projects fizzled out. That doesn't bother Ghosh. It's not on my mind when I write a book. If somebody is interested, it's something I'm open to, he says. Sea of Poppies, released this month, is set against the backdrop of the opium trade in eastern India and is the story of sailors, convicts and indentured labourers on board a ship headed to Mauritius in 1838. The sea is a recurring theme in Ghosh's novels. In fact, the writer spent some time on a sail boat to acquaint himself with sailing terms. And how did he describe so well the effect of opium on addicts in Sea of Poppies. Did he taste some himself? Ghosh smiles again. No, I didn't. Then has an afterthought. In fact, we all taste opium. When I was a kid, we used to be given gripe water which is basically opium. * * * Amitav Ghosh From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia Jump to: navigation, search For the banker and RBI Governor, see Amitav Ghosh (banker). Amitav Ghosh Amitav Ghosh Amitav Ghosh (born 1956), is an Indian-Bengali author and literary critic known for his work in the English language. Ghosh was born in Kolkata and was educated at The Doon School; St. Stephen's College, Delhi; Delhi University; and the University of Oxford, where he was awarded a Ph.D. in social anthropology. Ghosh lives in New York with his wife, Deborah Baker, author of the Laura Riding biography In Extremis: The Life of Laura Riding (1993) and a senior editor at Little, Brown and Company. They have two children, Lila and Nayan. In 1999, Ghosh joined the faculty at Queens College, City University of New York as Distinguished Professor in Comparative Literature. He has also been a visiting professor to the English department of Harvard University since 2005. Ghosh has recently purchased a property in Goa and is returning to India. He is working on a trilogy to be published by Penguin Books India. Ghosh's latest work of fiction is Sea of Poppies (2008) an epic saga, set just before the Opium Wars which encapsulates the colonial history of the East. His other novels are The Circle of Reason (1986), The Shadow Lines (1990), The Calcutta Chromosome (1995) The Glass Palace (2000) and The Hungry Tide (2004). The Shadow Lines won the Sahitya Akademi Award, India's most prestigious literary award. The Calcutta Chromosome won the Arthur C. Clarke Award for 1997. Ghosh's fiction is characterised by strong themes that may be somewhat identified with postcolonialism but could be labelled as historical novels. His topics are unique and personal; some of his appeal lies in his ability to weave Indo-nostalgic elements into more serious themes. Ghosh has also written In an Antique Land (1992), Dancing in Cambodia, At Large in Burma (1998), Countdown (1999), and The Imam and the Indian (2002, a large collection of essays on different themes such as fundamentalism, history of the novel, Egyptian culture, and literature). In 2007, he was awarded the Padma Shri by the Indian government. [edit] External links Wikiquote has a collection of quotations related to: Amitav Ghosh * Official website * Amitav Ghosh in Emory University Site * Trapped by Language: On Amitav Ghosh's In an Antique Land - University of Denver * Interview with Amitav Ghosh on CNN-IBN/ibnlive.com on his book Sea of Poppies http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amitav_Ghosh * * * - Goa Launch of Sea of Poppies by Amitav Ghosh AMITAV GHOSH IN CONVERSATION WITH MARIA AURORA COUTO AT THE PENGUIN INDIA GOA LAUNCH OF SEA OF POPPIES BY AMITAV GHOSH AT LITERATI, CALANGUTE ON 24TH JUNE 2008 AT 5.30 p.m. E/1-282 Gaura Vaddo, opp. Tarcar Ice Factory and next to ABC Farms, Gaura Vaddo, Calangute, Goa - 403516. Tel: 2277740
[Goanet] NYTimes.com: Big Paycheck or Service? Students Are Put to Test
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[Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall
Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall by Arun Sinha I moved to Goa to join this paper 15 years ago. A large part of me moved to Goa because of my professional passion but a little part also came for the beauty of it. Out my office window I could enjoy a view of the sea-tickled Mandovi. There were hardly any cars parked outside my office building, and very few cars moved up and down the Bandodkar Marg edging the Mandovi promenade along which I drove between home and office. Today, everything has changed. Buildings have stolen my beloved Mandovi from me. I can't find a place to park my car outside my office. I can't drive down the Bandodkar Marg thinking of anything else but 'safety on road means safe tea at home'. My heart longs back to the Goa of the early nineties. I can only imagine how heart must be wailing of those Goans who have seen the Goa of the eighties, seventies, sixties and even before. The browning of Goa is sickening. The overcrowding is unbearable. I have always thought that there is something genetic from the time of evolution in the human species that makes everyone of us; be we of whatever race, feel the happiest and homeliest in an environment such as a river gently flowing by wooded hills. However, I know that the Goans who have today risen to protect Goa are not merely genetically outraged but also concerned about the survival of Goa they knew of. Goans feel estranged by present-day Goa, including me who was not born a Goan. There are many of those, not born Goans, who have lived here for much longer than me who must be feeling the same. I don't think this is only nostalgia. You often hear old people-no matter of what race-telling you of all the good things that existed in their times and which no more exist. Today's Goan cry is not just such sentimental reminiscences of the good things past. It is a passionate call to save Goa. Although I am one with them with a banner in their procession-because my Mandovi was robbed from me-I am still confused about what saving Goa means. Does it mean freezing Goa, as it exists today? Does it mean stopping all human activities that cause browning and overcrowding of Goa? No industry, no commerce, no tourism, no airports, no flights, no railways, no highways-a China-Walled island of sparse population and a great landscape? I am yet to meet two people who have the same formula for saving Goa. And I am yet to meet anyone who can tell me what to do after saving Goa. Many, I know, won't be happy when I say saving Goa is a fuzzy dream. A misty, woolly, hazy dream. I in my editorials and my reporters in their interviews have often asked the saviours of Goa: Can Goa grow without development projects? And their answer has been the same-misty, woolly, hazy-See, we are not against development. Beyond that, nothing. No blueprint. Nothing to guide us what to do after saving Goa. Sometimes I feel the NGOs are more populist than politicians. Let the people decide, the politician says. Let the people decide, the NGO says. In actuality, they both make the decisions they want to make. Look at how decisions are made by the NGOs. Do they convene gram sabhas and ask them to make the decisions? It is the committees and sub-committees of the NGOs-and in many cases, the professional vigilantists who own NGOs as organizations of one man or woman-who make the decisions. All in the name of the people. By the people, for the people, of the people. Just as the politician does. NGOs are today in Goa, I think, enjoying power. They are enjoying their status as a superpower. They can veto any project. Government is scared of them. Now, a vigilant civil society and a socially sensitive intelligentsia are what make a good and responsible society. If they are not there, government will become arbitrary. Parliamentary democracy will become parliamentary autocracy. However, while making a responsible government and society, NGOs cannot remain socially irresponsible themselves. I am with NGOs on all their vetoes. But I have a reason to ask them: What next? Where does Goa go from here? How does it progress? As far as I know, NGOs have not rejected the capitalist model. All these years, in all their speeches and writings, civil society activists and intellectuals have not provided an alternative model of development. They have portrayed unscrupulous capitalists as demons but not found anything fundamentally wrong with capitalism. Some capitalists in their eyes represent the devil but capitalism is not rejected by them as evil. During conversations with many activists who are my friends I have noted one passion common among them. They want to set the limits of development. Goa should develop only this much, and no further. In other words, sustainable development-who quarrels with them on this! But they are not clear how this sustainable development will take place. They do not have any design for Goa's future. They do not have a vision for Goa. Nor do I claim to have
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[Goanet] Teachers have to pay through the nose for laptops (NT and TOI)
http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=061983 Teachers have to pay through the nose for laptops by SACHIN CHATTE Ever been to one of those mega sales that offer you a 30 per cent discount and you realise too late that the prices were hiked up considerably before the discount was offered? The Goa government's scheme to offer interest-free loans to teachers to buy laptops is a bait-and-switch operation on similar lines. Although the government had announced the scheme long ago, the circular sent by the directorate of education has some very serious flaws, and the bottom line is that teachers who opt for the 'interest-free loan' could actually end up paying much more than they had bargained for. To begin with, Clause H and I of the circular state that requisite Microsoft windows Vista operating system and MS Office software shall be supplied by GEDC. In other words, whether you like it or not, you are forced to buy Windows Vista and MS Office software, both of which are very expensive. This is akin to the Windows tax that you unwittingly pay when buying a computer, because most computer vendors sell their products with Microsoft Windows OEM pre-installed. The department has clearly not heard of Open Source software -- like Linux -- which are growing at a rapid pace all around the world. Software like Open Office is not only free to use and share, it can also match the features of Microsoft's MS Office, especially for personal use. But the directorate of education clearly doesn't want to give you any choice in this matter. Some members of the technical committee vehemently opposed this move to bundle the software along with the hardware. After all, the teachers are paying the full amount for what they are buying; the government is only giving them an interest-free loan -- unlike the cyberage scheme where the computers were heavily subsidised for the students. Mr Albert Gouveia, head of the IT group for National Institute of Oceanography and a vocal proponent of Open Source software says, The reason to give laptops to teachers is either to help them teach computer subjects better or use it for their own resources in order to teach better. Now for such purposes you can learn with open source software and if you can use open source software then you can use anything. Today there is hardly any software that does not have an open source equivalent. Use commercial software, only if you must, after paying for it, adds Albert who is a veteran in the IT field. It is clear that there is more to this issue of laptops than departmental concern for the welfare of teachers. The annexure in the circular gives various hardware options to choose from; an average person with a working knowledge of computers would be baffled by the options. But the real catch is that, no matter which option you choose, you might end up on the losing side. Consider this: if a particular brand of laptop is available in the market for Rs 40,000, how much do you suppose the government would be willing to pay for approximately 6000 laptops, taking bulk order discounts into account? The obvious answer would be, substantially less than Rs.40,000 per laptop. But that's not the way it works in government. For instance, at the lower end, the scheme offers Lenovo 3000 series N200 0769 for Rs 45,709. As we found from our market survey, a laptop with a better configuration than listed in the education department's annexure is available for Rs 38,000. The cheapest model in the market is approx. Rs 25,000 (with DOS or Linux) but in this scheme it starts from Rs 35,000. That is the case with most of the models mentioned in the departmental circular. So instead of getting a better deal because the government is buying in bulk, you actually ending up paying far more than you would have paid had you bought directly from the open market. We were looking forward to this scheme which had got delayed endlessly, but when you look at the fine print, there isn't much the government is offering us, said one teacher on conditions of anonymity. It is more expensive to buy it from the government than outside, instead of it being the other way round, he lamented. Like all government deals and schemes, there is more to this than meets the eye. Thursday, June 19, 2008 * * * Laptop scheme draws flak 20 Jun 2008, 0324 hrs IST,TNN MARGAO: Computer savvy teachers of educational institutions in Goa have taken the laptop scheme introduced by the state government with a pinch of salt. Leave aside the fact that the prices of computers offered by the government through the scheme are on a higher side compared to those available through dealers in the open market. The scheme has also raised eyebrows over the sincerity of the education department in the implementation of the scheme. The circular issued by the directorate of education (DoE) making the purchase of Microsoft Windows Vista operating system and the MS-office software compulsory also smacks of
[Goanet] GGRM shakes Dir. of Panchayats from its slumber
Dears, VIVA SAO JOAO! VIVA GANV GHOR RAKHONN MANCH!!! They even had an effigy of the traditonal Sao Joao villian [Best Actor in the NEGATIVE role], King Herod, who best exemplifies the Goa State Governments since 1987. It is all on the newspapers today. Check Times of India page one anchor and page 3. Herald page 2, Navhind page 3, GT Times page 3 of 24 June, 2008. Our villages, our forests, our lakes and rivers now have a LOUDER voice: GGRM, A COLLECTIVE OF VILLAGE LEVEL MOVEMENTS totally decentralised. For those abroad, some links to photos are below. Mog asundi. Ekchar asundi. Ekvott voddoni. Miguel
Re: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Middle-class aspirations
Hi Selma I can't apologise enough if I upset you over my observations of your gated community or not. I will repeat that your premises are not a gated community as conventionally understood and what I have seen elsewhere. Minimally, a gated community lives within a clearly demarcated area that has a gate that keeps people out until permitted to enter by a resident or some kind of guard at the gate. Your premises had no gate in sight, nor a concierge to stop me getting in my car to your front door. A simple photograph would confirm my point. OK, there may have been cameras (assuming they were switched on) monitoring who gets in and out, but virtually every building in Greater London has surveillance by camera. Therefore, I want to suggest that if it was so easy for me to enter unchallenged, and also to leave your ungated area without a guard in sight, you may want to question the people who advertised the place to you as a gated community. I think you may have questions for them and on reflection may want to thank me for drawing your attention to this important point and not get taken in by the rhetoric of those renting/selling the place on false pretences. It is of course possible that, as people visit the site because flats are for sale, open entry becomes essential to the sellers of properties there, and an encouragement to people to drive into the site on the spur of the moment. Of course too, this further reduces any claim of it being a gated community at present! You refer to 100,000 people living in gated communities in the UK. This is in a population of 60,000,000 thus constituting only .0017 as a proportion of the population. A drop in the ocean surely and hardly worth emphasising as an illustration of the middle classes huddling together in gated communities--the main point of your piece. Further, .0017 of the residential population in gated communities could easily be missed even by satellite photography and would therefore readily be missed by me when driving around merely noting middle and working class areas. Wouldn't you agree? Let me finish by saying that the essence of what I said about the middle classes not living in gated communities in the UK definitely holds. It was the opposite of what you said and my statistical figure confirms this. Once again, I offer my unstinting apologies if I upset you. This was not the intention at all. I merely wanted to challenge your concept of a gated community on an open forum and in reply to your post on an open forum. Cornel PS The wrought iron decorative fence at the back of the premises was low enough and beautifully curvaceous and without spikes for any arthritic fellow like me to easily get over. It was no barrier consistent with the term a gated community! --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: --- On Mon, 6/23/08, CORNEL DACOSTA [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Oh dearie, dearie me, I have no idea what this outburst is all about. I'm sorry you didn't think my residence to be a gated community. I'll have to take it up with the lettings agent that sold it to us as one. It could also just be that you missed the wrought-iron gates around it...
[Goanet] Qepem Police PI invokes Sec.149 Cr.Pc on Rama Velip
Quepem Police Inspector has invoked section 149 Code of Criminal Procedures authorising police to the extend of preventive arrests in anticipation of commission of cognizable and non-cognizable offences without anyone registering complaints. He has been served call letter with a request to be present at the Quepem Police Station on June 24 at 5.00 pm. This move is clearly to harass Rama Veilip who has challenged powerful mining industry of Goa and brought few mines in his village standstill including the mines operated by Fomentos. Police are yet to take any action on complaint of physical assaults on Succorina Dias and Motesh Antao on May 02, 2008. Police are also take any action on complaint of release of silted water into the Agricultural fields of Colamb farmers from the Fomentos operating Hiralal Khodidas mine T.C. no. 06/1949 on June 12, 2008 even though written complaint has been filed with the police station to this effect by GAKUVED. It is clear beyond an iota of doubt as to why all this is happening and Police are acting against people and impotent against mining industry - the power of notes, higher levels political influences and everything else that comes with it including free dining and entertainments at Cidade de Goa - Starred Hotel owned by mining company Fomentos. Sebastian Rodrigues www.mandgoa.blogspot.com _ No Harvard, No Oxford. We are here. Find out !! http://ss1.richmedia.in/recurl.asp?pid=500
[Goanet] Feast of St John the Baptist Goa
Feast of St John the Baptist Goa is the place one can have fun with or without the sun. Variety adds spice to life and this is more true in Goa than in any other place. Come 24th June and Goans, and everybody, in Goa, head to the nearest water well or a swimming pool to take a dive. It is the day of St John the Baptist feast, with its unique celebration. St John baptized Jesus of Nazareth in River Jordan, symbolically using river water. Coincidentally, his feast falls during the rainy season in Goa providing an opportunity to revellers. St John is the patron saint of Benaulim (in Salcete) and Pilerne (in Bardez) where the villagers celebrate the day with extra fervour and gaiety. Plenty of choice to have fun: Fiplee's Restaurant in Benaulim is ready for their annual San Joao bash with Goa's top bands and entertainers in attendance. They have lots of surprises in store for you. If you desire to celebrate the day aboard a boat, Santa Monica will have its traditional programme the whole day with live music, dancing, breaking of coconut, spot prizes and lots of fun. Join in the celebrations at Clube Nacional in Panaji. It's called Noite de Santa Antonio (Night of St Anthony); they have buffet, prizes and surprises for you. At Rendezvous in Dona Paula, meet your friends or make new ones, where in addition to the top bands in attendance, there will be 'copel' (crown) contest, pot-breaking and tug of war at the event called 'Viva San Joao'. Indeed, long live Sao Joao! At Sun Village in Arpora, they celebrate 'San Joao' as a family day out, full of fun. Take part in games and competitions such as the breaking of pot, laughter contest, etc and win loads of prizes and later sit down for a sumptuous lunch with your loved ones. Siolim Boat Parade Fun may take a break here but it never stops! You may choose to cry elsewhere but here in Goa do as Goans do: never loose an opportunity to have fun and enjoy. Among the places where celebrations take place on a grand scale is the Siolim village. The Sao Joao Boat parade is one thing everyone looks forward to. Wear flower crown and head for the boat parade, and join multitude of revellers there on the 24th. 'Sangodd' on the river bank Along the river bank in Orda, Candolim, fisher folks celebrate the feast of Saints Peter and Paul with a unique entertainment called Sangodd. This includes songs and short skits, music, etc, performed on a platform mounted on two or more canoes put together for the purpose. The tradition goes back to several years. Instead of entertaining the audience in one place, the Sangodd moves from one station to another where people gather. Monsoon is fun!
Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall (Arun Sinha)
I couldn't help reading this article over and over again. How the crystal clear lucid thoughts of this non-Goan, have articulated exactly the problem facing Goa. When I read the posts of such non-Goans as Sinha and Thomas Philip, I ask myself why is it that only non-Goans have this vision for Goa. Is it because their kaleidoscope of thought is so much broader? Their lens so much clearer. I've also found the non-Goans on this forum like the Sen Guptas and the Gadgils to be the least xenophobic. It is only us Goans who talk about Niz Goenkarponn and Goenkar rogott and think it is a badge of honour. That includes me, who is not immune to good old fashioned jingoism so easily aroused by emotion but which generally dies with the cold light of rationalisation. When I read this, I wish for more and more such intelligent, articulate people to come from whichever part of the world and settle in Goa. Goa needs you. selma --- On Tue, 6/24/08, Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Although I am one with them with a banner in their procession—because my Mandovi was robbed from me—I am still confused about what saving Goa means. Does it mean freezing Goa, as it exists today? Does it mean stopping all human activities that cause browning and overcrowding of Goa?
Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin
Paulo, did you hear of the term hyperbole. What I said about Telo may have never come back on Indian soil, was a deliberate attempt to annoy you and JC. But if that line made you go LOL it served its purpose. The good doctor said that Lohia did not speak at Margoa. Lohia began his speech and after delivering a few lines from his prepared speech he was arrested. He put his prepared speech in the hands of Vishwanath Lawande who began reading and after some time the police snapped the sheet from him and took was taken away. The few lines Lohia spoke did, in fact, thundered across all Goa. Check the recent issue of Goa Today, In the piece by Sharmila Kamat and Pratima Kamat, the writers say, Dr. Lohia's clarion call soon echoed all over Goa: Dhanya Lohia, dhanya bhumi hi, dhanya tiche putr, dhanya tyancho tyaag, dekhte janatche netr.' Just for information, when Lohia died he had just 20 rupees in his bank account. Unlike today's politicians who may be having at least 20 crores (obviously black money). Pratima's book, Farar Far, too has a brief account of the incident. Let me once again gladden your's and Paulo's hearts by saying that, IMHO, Telo does not deserve to be included in the category of Builders of Modern India. But then, it is a compiler's choice and according to his own criteria. Are there any other Goans in the menitoned in the book? Eugene
[Goanet] ToI exposes politician-mining nexus in Goa 22 June, 2008
Dear Netters, Manohar Parrikar's Press Mangement Engine seems to be in DENIAL MODE as the BJP bus slowly moves downhill. He makes frivilous statements and then promptly denies them. He says he has dumped Babush Monserrate, but he has taken Babush Monserrate to Delhi TWICE in attempts to topple the Digamber Government. Next month will be the FIRST DEATH ANNIVERSARY of the Goa Democratic Alliance [GDA], the still born child of Parrikar's unholy alliance. this year they tried to get a MAJORITY in the Goa People's Assembly [GPA] because the majority keeps eluding tyhem in the Goa Legislative Assembly [GLA] as one netter has pointed out. DDA, GPA, GLA. Nothing seems to work for poor Parrikar. May be he should forget his RSS pride and apply for membership of the GBA. The Goa Bachao Andolan seems to be working quite sucessfully. It also doe not need to go to Delhi to succeed in Goa, unlike the Congress and BJP leaders in Goa. May be the time has come for the GBA to have a political party. Chicken shakuti and caju feni is nice in the rainy season. Can also eat some ponos because it is St. Juan time. Perhaps Parrikar can host it. He seems to know where to get funds to float 500 NGOs. One wonder if he knows how to run them or whether he will import technology from Gujarat or Chhatishgarh or from the USA. They say he has sent some people for training under George W. Bush. Some one was telling me that the Dr. Anil deSa who spoke at some rally in Panaji and gave some computers or LCDs to some Sarkari Shala in Shirvoi Verem or something near Ponda is back in Goa. Sheer waste of money. shala having maximum drop outs in Goa. I think he is a relative of the old NIO Director and doing some project for Syngenta or something that owns the Santa Monica boat cruises that also go to some Spice Farm in his village. Farmers now using lotsa chemicals, they say. Bad for health. Dr. Anil must be knowing it also if he is medical doctor. Best wishes. Diogo --- On Mon, 23/6/08, Shiv Kumar [EMAIL PROTECTED] com wrote: Subject: ToI exposes politician-mining nexus in Goa Date: Monday, 23 June, 2008, 6:04 PM This report appeared in the June 22 edition of Times of India Goa. Story is accessible only on the epaper. The report highlights how Goa's notorious mine owners have the politicians, police and the media in their pockets. It is a story worth following for the national media especially since Goan politicians are tarring environmental groups with the naxalite brush. Just to let everyone know, under the laws enacted by the former Portuguese rulers, people may own land and the houses, etc built on the land. But if a mining concession is given to a company, it has all the right to open up the land and extract ore even while the title for the land remains with the original owner. However a lot of mining concessions granted in the 1950s were not operated due to the poor quality of ore found in the region. But the boom in Chinese exports has opened a market for even the low quality ore. So homes and hearths in villages of Sanguem, Sanvordem and other talukas of Goa are being opened up. -Shiv Kumar - - - - - - Naxal bogey raised to quell agitations Activists Allege Hand Of Government And Opposition In Suppressing Anti-Mining Protests By Those Affected Raju Nayak | TNN Panaji: Politicians playing into the hands of mine owners once again are raising the bogey of Naxalism to blunt the people's agitations against mining activities in the state, say leading environmentalists of Goa. On Thursday, BJP leader Manohar Parrikar, chairing a meeting of the Goa Legislative Assembly ad hoc committee on home, had claimed that a group of people with CPI(ML) links were working in the state's mining belt. Parrikar's opposition to the protests came as a surprise to many since the BJP had so far been supporting protesters in a bid to embarrass the government. Both the ruling party and the opposition are now united on one issue, opposing the anti-mining protests, said an activist. They are now both with the mining lobby, alleged another activist. Buying politicians, keeping control over the local panchayats, and giving trucks to the important locals are the several tricks of the mine owners. Earlier they used to build temples to please the villagers. Sebastian Rodrigues of Siolim, who was among those branded as a naxalite, said terrorism is actually operating in the form of mining. We are fighting against their terrorism, he said. Gavas says many of the protesters have been physically attacked and a few killed in suspected accidents that were stage-managed by the mining lobby Date: Sun, 22 Jun 2008 21:59:33 +0530 From: Goanet News news.goanet@ gmail.com Subject: [Goanet] OFFICIAL REPORT: Goa legislature secretariat ad hoc committee on Home Message-ID: 8ea78e010806220929r 3ee8b801wf1d0d7d
[Goanet] The Rape of Goa.....as a tool to Save Goa
Mervyn Lobo wrote: In my experience, I have found that when one does not nip off a problem in its bud, it soon spreads like a cancer. For example, the people who are raping Goa today are doing so because people in Goa earlier thought the problems they faced(from the same people) would go away if they ignored them. Rajan is excellent at: 1) Photography 2) disgusting language (I have the emails if anyone is interested). Mervyn, What holds true for the goose must hold true for the gander as well. While Goanet rules clearly stipulate that members should not indulge in personal attacks, Rajan is not the only one who has violated these rules. If Rajan is responsible for murdering the rules, several other Goanetters too have periodically done the same. The only difference perhaps is that Rajan uses the sword and hence the murder looks splashy with blood spilling all around while others have been doing this in a slightly sophisticated manner - - by using poison. I hold no brief for Rajan and do not approve the crude manner in which he articulates his thoughts. But as and when he crosses the Laxmanrekha, the moderators are there to clip his wings. If they don't, it simply means that in their opinion he has not crossed the limits. What may have appeared obscene to you may not have appeared obscene to them. It is however my concerted opinion that crudeness in his language is not the real problem. We need to diagnose the real cancer and treat it in its infant stage. The real problem is his crude thoughts, some of them actually and Goanetters who disapprove of them should concentrate their time and energies on tackling these crude thoughts, as such thoughts are not compatible in a vibrant progressive democracy. The Buddha did not ignore the person who was insulting him. The little kid too did not ignore the abuse that was hurled his way. They replied in a manner in which their abusers ended up looking like fools. Dr Santosh Helekar has brilliantly countered Rajan's crude thoughts in the past. A few others have as well. This is what I meant in my last post when I wrote that we need to tackle his crude thoughts in a wise manner. Having said all this, you do have a point when you say that his crude language should be tackled too. I too personally believe that all debates and discussions should be done in a dignified and distinguished manner. The human mind conjures up thousands of thoughts and what we must therefore oppose is that one particular thought that comes up on Goanet as a post, without getting into crude personal attacks. But then, the alternate point is wouldn't this forum be such a boring place without some spice, Zip, Zing and Zang? Rajan provides all that. So does Dr. Jose Colaco. And so many others too. A bit of banter should be allowed, so long as it does not go out of hand. So let's celebrate each one's individualities and not take all these discussions too seriously. Let's oppose the thoughts and not the person who posts them. As for the kids, you don't need to worry too much about them. Rajan is neither a J.K. Rowling nor a Mark Twain for the kids to get hooked into reading his kind of stuff. Heck, in the days of W.W.E and all the computer games and gizmos, they won't even come close to a Cecil. Finally, while I do appreciate Jason Keith's columns and read them regularly on GT, I think Jason does go a bit overboard in comparing Rajan to Hitler. I seriously think he needs to take back those words. Perhaps comparing him to a Raj Thackeray would have been more appropriate! :-) Cheers Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin
We have had some of the most amazing admissions from old time posters of this forum during the last few days. This was indeed quite a revealing week for Goanet and follows on few revelations last week that we do not need a discussion based on facts in this forum. Yes, Eugene, I am very aware of the term hyperbole. I was just not aware that you express yourself with hyperboles. Thanks for letting me and other netters know. You could have perhaps added a smile after your claims :-) . That would have probably done the trick. But anyway, I am glad you admitted it. It all makes sense now and if you and others choose to use hyperboles, I wonder if it is really worth replying next time around... I thought a few of us were trying to be realistic and having a serious discussion on serious issues. Hyperboles and false claims do not help and denigrate this forum's reputation. Best Paulo. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Eugene Correia Sent: 24 June 2008 11:59 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin Paulo, did you hear of the term hyperbole. What I said about Telo may have never come back on Indian soil, was a deliberate attempt to annoy you and JC. But if that line made you go LOL it served its purpose. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1515 - Release Date: 23/06/2008 19:16
[Goanet] In search of Traditional Sao Joao (Pics Video included)
In search of Traditional Sao Joao Today being Sao Joao Feast, the 24th June, 2008, we decided to head for Salcette to search for any surviving traditional Sao Joao- The one with Brass band, Sao Joao Kopels, Jumping into the wells, fire crackers, carrying fenni bottles, Jackfruits, Pineapples etc in their hands etc etc. We left Agassaim around 10.30am then entered Cortalim, Sancoale, Velsao, Cansaulim, Arossim, Utorda etc. On our way, at Velsao Pale we found one, took some pics and clips then we thought we would find more at other places but sadly no more. On our way back we heard firecrackers and drum beats by the sea side velsao – we entered the remote road towards the Hotel Horizon but to our surprise, they were the same we met earlier. Sorry, no more traditional Sao Joao except this… http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=4YTjO3NzhMY Hope this will bring back some memories specially to those from the salcette. Happy Sao Joao Feast to you all. So, why there are no Sao Joao groups this year? Not enough rain this year could be one of the reasons, wells are not even half filled up. Another reason could be that the people do not support such things, I was told that on hearing the drum beats or the trumpet, people start shutting their doors and this just to save their Rs.10 ? And before I go, check this out – a Goan delicacy –which I ate say after about 15 years. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2607636842/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2606808777/ Some Sao Joao Pics http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2606806381/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2607634928/ in front of Hotel Horizon jumping not into the well but.. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2606807199/sizes/l/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2606806819/sizes/l/ and the rang-teng player http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2606807581/sizes/l/ Thank you. [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
[Goanet] CONDOLENCES
CONDOLENCES The President and Members UNITED FRIENDS CLUB (UFC) - KUWAIT, deeply mourn the death of DOMNIC MARTIN CORREIA, beloved father of Tony Corriea (Vice President of Goan Overseas Association - Kuwait). May the Almighty GOD give strength and courage to Tony Corriea and the bereaved family to bear this loss. May his soul rest in peace. Cajetan de Sanvordem President United Friends Club - Kuwait.
[Goanet] Patricia Rozario- video on You Tube.
Here is the only video of Patricia Rozario on stage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb9u8Fp3huI Out of curosity and interest, wish someone would post the sound/video link to Ms. Rozario singing, Aum Saiba Poltoddi Vetam
Re: [Goanet] Welcome to Goa - Pomburpa
Yesterday, I had occasion to visit Pomburpa Church, to attend a funeral. What struck me most about Pomburpa is the lush green forest covering the valleys and the hills. No mega projects,.no gated communities, no high rise buildings nothing. The vaddos are remote and peaceful. A wonderful church (1590 according to the inscription and dedicated to Martris Dei, with caves beneath the church and tunnels which supposedly used to lead to Salcette), a lovely spring located in a Kullahar near the Church. A throwback to the Goa of yore. If there is a last Bastion of Green Goa, then this must be it. Mervyn and Elsie, the real thing - Priceless!, -- Tony de Sa Ph: +91 832 2470148 E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] M: +91 9975 162 897 --- I discovered that I have choices but sometimes its only a choice of attitudes.
Re: [Goanet] Manohar Parrikar was right in being whistle-blower
2008/6/24 Yash Ganthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At the meeting of the Goa Legislative Assembly Ad Hoc Committee on Home, the chairman is expected to discuss maters related to the Home department with the police. On a blog, a well known anti-mining activist claimed to have contacts with naxals from Jharkhand. Among other aspects of crime in Goa the chairman raised this point. His question to the police was as simple as Are you aware of this?. The police agreed that they were indeed aware of this and would keep a watch. All this has been recorded in camera. RESPONSE: 1) Kindly direct us the the Blog site and URL; which indicates what you have stated. 2) Did Parrikar not state what was reported? Your post clearly implies what was stated; if so why is there a denial now? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Online Auction: Campaign medals of J.D. Fernandes
25 June 2008: London. Dix, Noonan Webb. Lot No: 209: Africa General Service 1902-56, 3 clasps, Somaliland 1902-04, Somaliland 1908-10, Somaliland 1920 (J. D. Fernandes, Dom. 3 Cl., H.M.S. Fox) unique three-clasp medal to the Royal Navy. Nearly extremely fine. Estimate: £600-800. Joaquin Domingo Fernandes was born in Goa, India on 1 July 1884. He is described on his service paper as a Man of Colour. A Servant by occupation, he entered the Royal Navy as a Domestic on 7 November 1903. He served on the Fox, November 1903-November 1905, during which time he gained his first Somaliland clasp. As Domestic 2nd Class and then as Officers Steward he then served on the Hyacinth, May 1907-April 1911, during which time he gained his second clasp. He was appointed Officers Steward 1st Class when on the Swiftsure in September 1913, on which he served until February 1915. Further wartime service aboard the ships Euryalus and Juno followed. Postwar he served aboard the Odin, September 1919 - September 1920, during which time he gained his third Somaliland clasp. Sold with copied service paper and extract from published roll in which he is listed as the only recipient of three clasps to the Africa General Service Medal to the Royal Navy. For a photograph and link to the auction see http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/
Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.....as a tool to Save Goa
--- On Tue, 6/24/08, Sandeep Heble [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dr Santosh Helekar has brilliantly countered Rajan's crude thoughts in the past. I cannot match Rajan's brilliance even on matters on which he has not been interrogated by a committee of experts, nor can I match his crudeness. The way I see it is the latter negates any positive influence that the former might have. I agree with Sandeep that it is best to ignore the excessive passion and the ugly rhetoric, and debate the core issues that impact Goa and the principles that we stand for as citizens of a democratic republic. For me that issue is whether amending the Indian constitution to ban the relocation to Goa of Indians from other states would solve the problem of misuse of Goan land and resources. And also, whether there is a shared identity between Rajan, Arwin, Romlo, Remo and Rehman that can be preserved by instituting such a ban. Unfortunately, none of the advocates of this ban have carried this discussion forward in a sober and rational manner. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] GREEN THUMB: Touching truth... of gentlemen's toes and lady's fingers (Miguel Braganza, in the Herald)
By Miguel Braganza [EMAIL PROTECTED] After reading about Cool Cucurbits last Sunday, a reader wanted to know if there were any warm vegetables. What could be a better choice after Gentleman's Toes, as the Tendlim [Coccinia indica] are tenderly known, than the Lady's Finger? The first book of the Bible is known as Genesis or Creation. Its fourth chapter tells us simply, Adam knew Eve, his wife and they raised Cain, the tiller of the land. He might have become the patron saint of farmers engaged in crop husbandry, except for the fact that he killed his younger brother, Abel, who was into animal husbandry. The friction between agriculture and veterinary officers continues to this day regarding partial treatment by their master. Perhaps, in honour of the first recorded martyr, the Lady's Finger is botanically known as Abelmoschus esculentus. This vegetable is believed to be a native of Africa and has spread widely across the tropics of the world producing varieties like Dwarf Prolific in Trinidad and Tobago or White Velvet in Puerto Rico or Pusa Sawani in North India and Arka Anamika in South India. However, there is no variety as good as the Sath-xirancho bhenddo of Goa. This light pista green to old Ivory coloured vegetable pod is a rage among Goans. Whether plain boiled, with or without onion and grated coconut, cooked as a Caldinha with prawns in coconut milk, or stuffed with Recheiado masala, the local bhenddo is just unbeatable. It is well known that the Lady's Finger vegetable is the pride of central Goa and widely associated with the island or Juem named after Santo Estevao [St. Stephen], the first post-resurrection martyr [Acts 7:54]. On June 29, Goa will celebrate the feast of St. Peter and St. Paul, the latter [then called Saul] was the person who consented to the martyrdom of St. Stephen. With the uncanny connection between Abel, Abelmoschus and Stephen, it seems but natural that the long-suffering residents of Juem be known as Bhendde. While the residents of Orda-Candolim will be gathering on the bunds [protective riverside walls] to celebrate the Sangodd twin-boat festival in honour of Peter and Paul, the residents of Juem will be planting Lady's Finger seeds on the bunds. The rest of us can do both. Like the Sangodd, the Lady's Finger vegetable is always associated with the Sol or Kokum. The glutinous mucilage of the vegetable is broken down by the enzymes and hydroxy citric acid, or HCA, present in the Kokum, to make the vegetable more palatable. Kokum concentrate or salt extract, locally known as ala, can also be used. Bhendde is a direct sown crop. As a rule, it should not be transplanted. A former colleague of mine in the Directorate of Agriculture had discovered a low-cost system by which he could save crop time in the field. He raised the bhendde seedlings in used paper ice-cream cups and transplanted them, cups and all, in his sugarcane field after harvest. One could do the same to raise seedlings under shelter to avoid the heavy monsoon in July and yet get the crop in September. Used ice-cream cups are still available near marriage halls. Otherwise plant in August and enjoy the vegetables in October. The best system for sowing is the twin row method, on ridges during the monsoons to avoid flooding and in the furrows during summer. Plant the seeds one foot [30 cm] apart in each row with the twin row one cubit [45 cm] from it. Between such twin rows keep a gap of two cubits [or one metre] for easy movement during harvesting. The first flower normally arises in the axil of the seventh leaf. It is best to mix organic manures in the soil while making the ridges-and-furrows to sow the seeds. A little more manure can be added after a month of sowing and the soil can be heaped around the base of the plant at the same time to give the plant better anchorage and support. About 25g of seeds is enough to sow a plot admeasuring 20 to 25 Square metres. The Bhendi Yellow Vein Mosaic [BYVM] disease is common in the local bhendde and less in the 'improved' varieties. There is no breeding programme to introduce tolerance of BYVM in the local bhendde that is known to me. Perhaps, it has been initiated by some ICAR [Indian Council of Agricultural Research] institute or private seed agency. It is well worth the effort. In the meanwhile, it is recommended that seeds from pods of disease-free plants be used. And the plants that show yellowing of veins on the leaf should be removed and buried in the ground. If most plants show the symptoms, relax and enjoy the crop. BYVM does not cause any harm to human beings. Buy seed from a disease-free plot next time. By the time you read this article, the first preparatory meting for the 17th annual Festival of Plants Flowers would have been held at SFX High and Higher Secondary School, Siolim. The festival itself will be held on 30, 31 August and 01 September, 2008, the traditional last weekend before Ganesh Chaturthi. ABE [Association Board of
Re: [Goanet] The Rape of Goa.....as a tool to Save Goa
Sandeep Heble wrote: While Goanet rules clearly stipulate that members should not indulge in personal attacks, Rajan is not the only one who has violated these rules. If Rajan is responsible for murdering the rules, several other Goanetters too have periodically done the same. Sandeep, Reading the newspaper on my way to work today, I noticed the following in the Thought du Jour section of The Globe and Mail. I happen to feel that the degree of a person's intelligence is directly reflected by number of conflicting attitudes she can bring to bear on the same topic. - Lisa Alther - With that thought in mind, your post is a delight to read. Having said that, I have to point out that my protest is not against Rajan. My protest is against the 'moderators.' See the link below. http://www.goanet.org/post.php?name=Newslist=goanetinfo=2008-June/authorpost_id=075932 It is however my concerted opinion that crudeness in his language is not the real problem. We need to diagnose the real cancer and treat it in its infant stage. The real problem is his crude thoughts, some of them actually and Goanetters who disapprove of them should concentrate their time and energies on tackling these crude thoughts, as such thoughts are not compatible in a vibrant progressive democracy. Frankly, I think Rajan has done us all a favour by displaying the extent of how crude he is. Mervyn3.0 __ Yahoo! Canada Toolbar: Search from anywhere on the web, and bookmark your favourite sites. Download it now at http://ca.toolbar.yahoo.com.
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: Goa, one of India's leading producers of ore... and pollution
GOA: ONE OF INDIA'S LEADING PRODUCERS OF ORE... AND POLLUTION NO MINE MANAGEMENT Given the nature of mineral resources in Goa, vast quantities of overburden and waste material is generated while mining. Deep quarries are formed which can be filled up by the overburden. However, most mines, helped by poor regulations, just don't bother. Reclamation has found very few takers in Goa. For Goa's mine owners, mines are important only as long as something can be exploited from them -- afterwards, they are just pits. Literally. -- Folks, I am baffled by this one as, so far, only one person has commented on this subject. This usually means that: 1) People do not care or 2) People are too afraid to tackle the issue. This made me take one more look at Sesa Goa's stock price. It seems that the stock price fell when the Indian Govt imposed a 15% tax on iron ore exports. This morning, mining giant, Rio Tinto, got the Chinese Govt to agree to pay 96.5% more for iron ore. If Sesa Goa does not go below Rs. 3,000 it becomes a buy. The target price Bloomberg has for the company is Rs. 5,000. I feel that the Chinese Govt will soon demand more ore from Goa. Mervyn3.0 Here is a snip from Bloomberg today. Sesa Goa (SESA IN) India's biggest non-state iron ore exporter rose 61.7 rupees, or 1.8 percent, to 3435.30 after analysts said Nippon Steel Corp., the world's second-biggest steelmaker, and Asian rivals will probably accept a record increase in iron ore prices from Rio Tinto Group. To contact the reporters on this story: Archana Chaudhary in Mumbai at +91-22-6633-9021 or [EMAIL PROTECTED]; To contact the editor responsible for this story: Nicolas Johnson +81-3-3201-8343 or [EMAIL PROTECTED] __ Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane with All new Yahoo! Mail: http://ca.promos.yahoo.com/newmail/overview2/
Re: [Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ?
Date: Tue, 24 Jun 2008 09:53:32 +0100 From: Paulo Colaco Dias [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario is wrong: *** When he says that this is a Portophile issue. Mario responds: Mario??? Wrong WHAT??? Surely you jest:-)) How could anyone come to such a bizarre conclusion? What the heck is Paulo talking about?:-)) Paulo wrote: In most cases, this has nothing to do with Portugal or the Portuguese anymore. The Portuguese couldn't care less. In fact, today one could even blame the Portuguese for abandoning the true Goan cause in 1975. One could even blame the Portuguese for handing over Goa on a plate illegitimately because that Portuguese government of 1975 was merely a temporary government * not elected democratically *. So they had absolutely no business to mess about with the Goan issue and they lacked a democratic mandate from the people of Portugal in 1975. Mario responds: OK. Now I see what is going on here. To begin with, Paulo doesn't know the difference between a Portophile, which would be for purposes of this discussion a native Goan Portuguese sychophant believer in the supremacy of white Europeans, and a real Portuguese person. Secondly, Paulo doesn't seem to realize that Goa was forcibly and illegitimately colonized in the early 1500's, when many European countries did the same thing, but that the beginning of the end of the era of colonization had started in 1947, the much more powerful Brits and French had left, perhaps reluctantly but somewhat graciously, and the far weaker Portuguese were clinging to a sophistry that made sense only to them, that Goa was an overseas province of Portugal. India simply grabbed back in 1961 territory that had been grabbed in the early 1500s. That's the way the world works. If you cannot defend territory that you hold, you have to move on. A democratically elected government in Portugal would have made little difference because Portugal was in no position to militarily defend Goa against India in 1947. In fact, a democratically elected government in Portugal may have been far more gracious and civilized and withdrawn on its own. Paulo wrote: Despite protests from prominent Goans in 1975, the temporary Portuguese government not elected democratically decided to recognize the annexation of Goa by India but no doubt this Portuguese action was illegitimate and can be challenged even today. This was the last backstabbing from Portugal to Goans (1975)! Mario responds: The prominent Goans Paulo refers to were all lackeys of the Portuguese who had benefited under Portuguese rule at the expense of the rest of Goa. This is like saying, despite protests by Brit expatriates and Anglo-Indians, the Brits gave up India. Some of my relatives, on the other hand, were active Goan freedom fighters because of whom we were barred from entering Goa throughout the fifties under threat of being arrested by the colonists and their lackeys among native Goans. We celebrated when Goa was liberated and we were free to visit Goa again. Paulo wrote: - has to do with us Goans when India invaded our territory. A territory that should have been liberated from the Portuguese and handed over to Goans to decide our future in accordance to the real meaning of liberation. In the same way as it happened with the liberation of Kuwait from Iraq. Mario observes: Kuwait was a sovereign country before it was invaded by Iraq, not an illegal and obsolete colony of some second rate European country. Paulo wrote: - has to do with us Goans and the fact that according to the Supreme Court of India, Goa was acquired by conquest and subjugation when India took over on the 19th Dec 1961. Mario responds: The Supreme Court was simply describing the facts. What is more important is that the annexation of Goa has been accepted by the United Nations and has been a fait accompli for decades now. Paulo wrote: - has to do with us Goans when the most active freedom fighters approached Nehru with the expectation to be given leading jobs in the supposedly post Dec 1961-free Goa but were sent home with the response that they had already done enough and the jobs went to the Indian bureaucrats from Delhi and Bombay instead. Mario responds: Oh, I don't know. My relatives who were freedom fighters did not do so with the expectation of receiving government jobs. Some of them did get such jobs, others went on with their businesses and professions. Anyway, I'm glad to see that Paulo acknowledges the notion of freedom fighters which suggests that Goa was not free, which it obviously was not. Anyone who crossed the Portuguese colonists found that out in a hurry. Paulo wrote: - has to do with us Goans when we became a minority in our own land. Mario responds: I wonder if Paulo is confusing Goan Christians with Goans? Paulo wrote: - has to do with us Goans when the central government decides our future. Mario responds: The central government treats Goa like any other state in
Re: [Goanet] Welcome to Goa: Pomburpa
Dear all, Thanks for the various comments received (4 in all). Some of you may not be aware that Goa Govt/Tourism has recently sanctioned Rs.80,00,000 for the beautification of the Pomburpa Spring. So, do make it a point to visit the spring say after 6 months. Now, what I really love to know is about the tunnel or 'bumyar' under the church. Would apreciate if some writes back a few lines on the 'bumyar or Cave' Thanks in advance. here are some pics of the Church http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2608061365/sizes/l/ The 3 openings on top of 3 windows, each has bee-hive (honey bees) in it, I don't know if you can see it - can u? Pic did not come out good or bright as it was a cloudy or a rainy day - it rained in just 3 minutes after. http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2608891396/sizes/l/ A view from the different angle with staircases etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk1/2608062121/sizes/l/ The video (Repeat) http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=hRaBLn_EpnM [EMAIL PROTECTED] for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa __ Sent from Yahoo! Mail. A Smarter Email http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html
Re: [Goanet] Manohar Parrikar was right in being whistle-blower
Probably Manohar Parrikar doesn't know the difference between 'a Social Activist' and a 'Naxalite'. Shame on you Parrikar-- this was not expected of you. Instead of putting wrong labels on honest and hardworking people, and hobnobing with the mining cohorts, Parrikar should do something concrete for the poor people stampeded by the mining Bulls. On 6/24/08, Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/6/24 Yash Ganthe [EMAIL PROTECTED]: At the meeting of the Goa Legislative Assembly Ad Hoc Committee on Home, the chairman is expected to discuss maters related to the Home department with the police. On a blog, a well known anti-mining activist claimed to have contacts with naxals from Jharkhand. Among other aspects of crime in Goa the chairman raised this point. His question to the police was as simple as Are you aware of this?. The police agreed that they were indeed aware of this and would keep a watch. All this has been recorded in camera. RESPONSE: 1) Kindly direct us the the Blog site and URL; which indicates what you have stated. 2) Did Parrikar not state what was reported? Your post clearly implies what was stated; if so why is there a denial now? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] Goa weather report : June 24, 2008 :: Not much rain, just a few stray showers
From: DIRECTOR INFORMATION PUBLICITY [EMAIL PROTECTED] WEATHER BULLETIN Panaji, June 24, 2008 Maximum Temperature -31.5 Deg C Minimum Temperature -26.1 Deg. C Relative Humidity 78 % Rainfall for 24 hours 00 m.m. Seasonal Total ……..668.4 m.m. Forecast: A few spell of rain or Thunder showers DI/NB/NUD/LS/SAG/2008/611 -- DIRECTORATE OF INFORMATION AND PUBLICITY. THIRD FLOOR,UDYOG BHAVAN, NEAR AZAD MAIDAN, PANAJI GOA PHONE-0832-2422675 0832-2226047 0832-2426168 FAX 0832-2224211
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (25Jun08)
On CONSUMERS RIGHTS DAY Please do a security check on the 'Goanness' of our politicians...as they are involved in selling Goa To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ?
Mario Goveia wrote to Paulo: [1] Goa was forcibly and illegitimately colonized in the early 1500's, [2] India simply grabbed back in 1961 territory that had been grabbed in the early 1500s. [3] That's the way the world works. If you cannot defend territory that you hold, you have to move on. == jc's comment: For once, I agree with Mario Goveia in at least 97.67% - of what he has written above. The only word (1 out of 43) I disagree with is back. I submit that you can grab ... but NOT grab BACK anything you did not possess .. in the first place. If Goa belonged to the India which existed in the 1500s - Goa and its wealth should be divided among India, Pakistan, Bangladesh, Sri Lanka and Burma. In that case ...it would be the real Grab Back. As it is ...it remains a Grab. Out of fairness ...no doubt ...Mario would suggest that India returns the Andaman Islands to whoever it was forcibly and illegitimately colonized from by those Brits. But, Mario does make a pragmatic closing (as quoted above) remark. In light of his and his amigos contemporary logik ani confusao, he correctly says: if You cannot defend it ...you lose. That is what Rajan Parrikar's 'bhaille are doing now. They are saying (effectively) in Marioesque fashion - If you cannot defend the hills and fields or even your houses tough. We gone with it. That's the way the world works. That is also the way the Commie world worked. Perhaps the reason Gadgil is supporting it. Strange though that Mario would be supporting the Commie line of thought. No wonder, Selma gone to live in a gated community, even though Cornel said Hey I ain't see no gate? Where der Gate is? This ain't no Gated community. Oh BTW: Your Rice Curry was good but I was looking for some dessert. Excuse Moi! juss me jc
Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall
What seems like a very rationale plea has to be seen vis-a-vis the backdrop against which it is made. A campaign against mining has heated up in Goa, the Leader of the Opposition suggests some involved with this campaign might be violent Naxalites, and the Navhind Times of which Sinha is editor is owned by a prominent mining empire here. By starting off on an evocative note, the editor makes the reader believe that he thinks just like you or me. That's nice! Yet, by solidly supporting every ruling dispensation in Goa over the past 15 years, the newspaper and its editor cannot absolve themselves of all responsibility. Or simply blame someone else for having stolen my beloved Mandovi. Isn't it ironic that affluent high-spenders who themselves add to the crowds in Goa can go ahead to critique the overcrowding as unbearable? Or say they would return to the place that was when they first came along and added to the load on it? Is this some second-class railway compartment syndrome, where we want people to squeeze in, but only as long as we get our own foothold there? Goans feel estranged by present-day Goa, including me who was not born a Goan. There are many of those, not born Goans, who have lived here for much longer than me who must be feeling the same. I don't think this is only By faking a sense of empathy with the sentiments of the common citizen -- which have seldom found place in the newspaper Sinha edited, except in recent times when the arrival of the Times of India here made it hurriedly take on a very pro-people stance -- we are being taken down the garden path. Although I am one with them with a banner in their procession-because my Mandovi was robbed from me-I am still confused about what saving Goa means. Does it mean freezing Goa, as it exists today? Does it mean stopping all human activities that cause browning and overcrowding of Goa? No industry, no commerce, no tourism, no airports, no flights, no railways, no highways-a China-Walled island of sparse population and a great landscape? This is the crux of the matter. The problem and its solution are exaggerated. Hence, we can argue then that there is no way of tackling it! And our very eloquent friends in cyberspace (Selma, Eddie, please note) will also be quick to applaud, thinking that this indeed is the voice of reason. I am yet to meet two people who have the same formula for saving Goa. And I am yet to meet anyone who can tell me what to do after saving Goa. Instead of being rhetorical about this -- and placing the burden of proof on those protesting environmental degradation, it would be more honest for the editor in question to spell out his own stance on the protests over mining in the Goan hinterland, and explain how his paper the reported the Naxalite matter -- specially on the first day when the story broke here. By overstating the case to one of saving Goa, it becomes easy to argue that no easy solution is possible in any case. If papers like The Navhind Times had to lend their voice to holding government (and corporations) accountable, together with the NGOs which they are quick to pillory, then a number of issues could have been closer to a solution. Including environmental ones which are causing daily problems in the lives of a growing number of people of Goa. Many, I know, won't be happy when I say saving Goa is a fuzzy dream. A misty, woolly, hazy dream. I in my editorials and my reporters in their interviews have often asked the saviours of Goa: Can Goa grow without development projects? And their answer has been the same-misty, woolly, hazy-See, we are not against development. Beyond that, nothing. No blueprint. Nothing to guide us what to do after saving Goa. There seems to be a misty, wooly, hazy self-appointed role here of the editorial-writer and his reporters to ask people questions, to demand solutions from them, and to play judge. Shouldn't a newspaper, as we understand it today, simply report on what the people are saying? Has the Navhind being Sometimes I feel the NGOs are more populist than politicians. Let the people decide, the politician says. Let the people decide, the NGO says. In actuality, they both make the decisions they want to make. Look at how decisions are made by the NGOs. Do they convene gram sabhas and ask them to make the decisions? It is the committees and sub-committees of the NGOs-and in many cases, the professional vigilantists who own NGOs as organizations of one man or woman-who make the decisions. All in the name of the people. By the people, for the people, of the people. Just as the politician does. Yes, and the media is part of the self-appointed permanent government too. That's why we need to play our role with caution, with honest, and without vested interests. I am with NGOs on all their vetoes. But I have a reason to ask them: What next? Where does Goa go from here? How does it progress? As far as I know, NGOs have not rejected the
[Goanet] Goa news for June 25, 2008
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** South Asian film fest to stay in Goa - Expressindia.com [15 hours ago] Panaji, June 24: After coming to Goa this year, the South Asian Film Festival (SAFF) wants to stay here making it a permanent venue, officials said. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/0-0fd=Rurl=http://www.expressindia.com/latest-news/South-Asian-film-fest-to-stay-in-Goa/326873/cid=1223985145ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNGImOTO33ajh-8EiIBM1vFTLNoIpw *** Senators weigh in on GOA tanker report - OneNewsNow [Jun 23, 2008] Boeing, the US company that lost the bid, protested the contract to the Government Accountability Office (GOA). Senator Jeff Sessions (R-Alabama) says ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/5-0fd=Rurl=http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=146110cid=1223667147ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNEYWRi6PU9hEX_2cVIButzcyKE1DA *** Goa to launch two new educational estates - IndiaEduNews.net [Jun 23, 2008] Margao: The Government of Goa would soon establish two separate educational estates for institutions across the state. The two educational estates, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/9-0fd=Rurl=http://www.indiaedunews.net/Goa/Goa_to_launch_two_new_educational_estates_4787cid=1223874153ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNGteM-TGpvX8BFQxin9EvMoMEIKiQ *** No Middle Course - Navhind Times [Jun 23, 2008] North Goa Zilla Panchayat members are for revision of the government allocation policy for funds as the existing money is not sufficient to undertake the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/8-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062421cid=1223874153ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNE-K62U2QUU1x2YnqztoYnF4rLUXw *** Culinary academy would benefit Goan youth: CM - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] The International Cruises Culinary Academy is the first recognised academy in Goa to introduce culinary arts and crafts and is situated opposite the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/7-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=06255cid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNHHpaPIhvTzdvolQuwzKNNr2vhSXg *** Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall - Navhind Times [Jun 23, 2008] by Arun Sinha I moved to Goa to join this paper 15 years ago. A large part of me moved to Goa because of my professional passion but a little part also came ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/6-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062420cid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNGB2Dy0CH2BzKi5G2s0sozxt2hgLg *** Mining industry is backbone of Goa economy - SteelGuru [12 hours ago] Mr Digambar Kamat chief minister of Goa said that the mining industry is the backbone of the state economy and therefore this industry must not suffer. ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/4-0fd=Rurl=http://steelguru.com/news/index/2008/06/24/NTE5ODU%3D/Mining_industry_is_backbone_of_Goa_economy_%252526%2525238211%25253B_CM.htmlcid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNGnDFlq0N1zFwzcwCceXIIYVvSSng *** SEZs: A bane for Goa? - Merinews [14 hours ago] Due to SEZs, the ever growing tourism industry in Goa will suffer manifold. The people of Goa are against the SEZ policy of the government as they believe ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/3-0fd=Rurl=http://india.merinews.com/catFull.jsp?articleID=136274cid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNHiy_zt_lNRGC0x-KFc1zKrcR6tlQ *** Taleigao Chess Academy flays Goa State Chess Association - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] PANAJI - The Taleigao Chess Academy has flayed the Goa State Chess Association for resolving not to renew their registration until their secretary, ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/2-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062524cid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNEe36zQp4I1RSrqh8E22dkR0MeIpw *** 75% of Goas vegetables still come from Belgaum - Navhind Times [3 hours ago] PANAJI #148; The annual average production of vegetables in Goa has remained constant for past many years and is standing at 84290 tonnes, which can fulfill ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=Tct=us/1-0fd=Rurl=http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=06259cid=0ei=fINhSO3tJo6aggPe3czGBQusg=AFQjCNFf2uI2ovUXL_390ByBtOoaL6AGKQ Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin
Eugene Correia wrote to Paulo: 1: What I said about Telo may have never come back on Indian soil, was a deliberate attempt to annoy you and JC. But if that line made you go LOL it served its purpose. 2: The good doctor said that Lohia did not speak at Margoa. Lohia began his speech and after delivering a few lines from his prepared speech he was arrested. He put his prepared speech in the hands of Vishwanath Lawande who began reading and after some time the police snapped the sheet from him and took was taken away. 3: The few lines Lohia spoke did, in fact, thundered across all Goa. Check the recent issue of Goa Today, In the piece by Sharmila Kamat and Pratima Kamat, the writers say, Dr. Lohia's clarion call soon echoed all over Goa: Dhanya Lohia, dhanya bhumi hi, dhanya tiche putr, dhanya tyancho tyaag, dekhte janatche netr.' 4: Pratima's book, Farar Far, too has a brief account of the incident. == jc's comment: Most 'respected' Eugene Correia, a: Your writings do not annoy me - they amuse me. They amuse me because of your penchant for writing without research. That, for an alleged journo, is rather curious. But then ...as is said with computer data - Garbage in and Garbage out. b: Do tell us Eugene that you have (as a journalist) the reputation in Canada of being a journo who researches before he writes. c: Have you heard about the phrase Fugeito petoita and bosson poita (polletah)? d: I do not know IF you were in Margao in 1946. I know I was no where in sight or even 'twinkle'. Would you know if Sharmila Kamat and Pratima Kamat were around? So ...then what is the basis of their claim? who did they speak to - for the book or article. If they were referring to Juliao Menezes' book - did they cross reference it? e: In which language did Lohia give this alleged clarion call to Goans? and WHAT language is that which you have quoted above in #3 f: There was a time when Mario's amigos told bondollam - ani more bondollam. If not for investigative journalism (not your forte, surely), the bondollam would have been history written in stone. That is why regurgitation must be challenged. Do you challenge regurgitation? g: I do not wish to comment about Lawande. Today is not my day to think about the RSS. h: I commend to you a system some of us teach in medicine and which I see being used in the judicial pronouncements I get to read every now and again : One looks at ALL the available facts and known circumstances of the case and cross-checks them for reasonable probability. i: INFRA is a myth which was/still is being propagated in Goa - which a real historian (who is both a scholar and a researcher) tore into. j: As Velim based Xri Konfucius said: He who writes SOLELY based on another person's book - not really certain of the truth. He also no use his sense. The myth and the historian's challenge of the myth: http://www.colaco.net/1/TRSfolkloreRaneRajput.htm while you are in the mood for reading (here is another view available for challenge by researchers) http://www.colaco.net/4/GoaLib18.htm jc BTW: re ...your Title: June 18-- Let the Revolution Begin; jc asks .WHICH REVOLUTION and WHICH JUNE 18?
Re: [Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ?
-Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mario Goveia Sent: 24 June 2008 16:05 To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered ? 1) Mario wrote: Secondly, Paulo doesn't seem to realize that Goa was forcibly and illegitimately colonized in the early 1500's, when many European countries did the same thing, but that the beginning of the end of the era of colonization had started in 1947, the much more powerful Brits and French had left, perhaps reluctantly but somewhat graciously, and the far weaker Portuguese were clinging to a sophistry that made sense only to them, that Goa was an overseas province of Portugal. Paulo's response: Mario must not understand English. I believe I made it very clear that we are all aware that Goa was colonized by Portugal and the Portuguese were our conquerors. There is no denying that fact. 2) Mario wrote: India simply grabbed back in 1961 territory that had been grabbed in the early 1500s. That's the way the world works. If you cannot defend territory that you hold, you have to move on. Paulo's response: Your sentence would be correct if you omit the word back, ie, India grabbed in 1961 territory that had been grabbed in the early 1500s (from the Portuguese). Please do not use the word back because I do not think I need to explain to you that India as a country did not exist before 1947. Do not join the group of ignorant people that claim that Goa always belonged to India. That is completely nonsense. Goa belonged to the Indian subcontinent, not to the newly created country called India (1947). Allow me to point out the differences between early 1500s to 1961. A) Four and a half centuries apart. B) India did recognize the existence of a neighbouring country called Portugal. C) India did have a consulate of India in Goa. D) Both India and Portugal were both members of the UN in 1961. E) Of course conquests and land grabbing do not make any sense if the UN exist. 3) Mario wrote: A democratically elected government in Portugal would have made little difference because Portugal was in no position to militarily defend Goa against India in 1947. In fact, a democratically elected government in Portugal may have been far more gracious and civilized and withdrawn on its own. Paulo's response: Yes, and by withdrawing on its own it would have probably granted independence to Goa or at least hear the requests and the wishes of the Goan people. It would probably also have allowed a plebiscite. 4) Mario wrote: This is like saying, despite protests by Brit expatriates and Anglo-Indians, the Brits gave up India. Paulo's response: The Brits gave independence to British India. The Brits gave independence to the entity that they themselves created. In the same way, Goans should have expected the Portuguese to give independence to Portuguese India or at least be liberated from the Portuguese by India and given the option to decide their own future democratically. Got it? Did you understand the difference? 5) Mario wrote: Kuwait was a sovereign country before it was invaded by Iraq, not an illegal and obsolete colony of some second rate European country. Paulo's response: Check your facts. The sovereignty of Portugal over Portuguese India was recognised by the entire world, including the UN Organisation and the Indian Union since 1947 until at least 1953 because the Indian Union even had a general consulate of India in Goa! Your claim that it was an illegal colony is wrong and does not have a legal stand. 6) Mario wrote: Anyway, I'm glad to see that Paulo acknowledges the notion of freedom fighters which suggests that Goa was not free, which it obviously was not. Anyone who crossed the Portuguese colonists found that out in a hurry. Paulo's response: Of course it was not free. And it is still not free! I am glad that more and more people start realising that, including celebrities like Wendell Rodricks. Only some of us abroad refuse to accept it. 7) Mario wrote: I wonder if Paulo is confusing Goan Christians with Goans? Paulo's response: No Mario, I am not confusing Goan Christians with Goans. I am well aware that Christians have always been a minority. Mario, have you been to Goa recently? Maybe you are the only one that has not noticed that Goans (regardless of their religion) are becoming a minority in Goa. For starters, check who speaks Konkani. But that should not be the only factor because many of the emigrants are learning Konkani to pass as Goans. But everyone (except you) is aware that we are becoming a minority in our motherland. You seem to be living in cuculand if you have not realised this. Everyone is talking about it. If you are not convinced, I give up. As I said before to you on another thread, please take your bike. You won it and you deserve it. No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG. Version: 8.0.100 / Virus Database: 270.4.1/1516 - Release Date:
[Goanet] Patricia Rozario- video on You Tube.
From Patricia Rozario: Unfortunately I haven't yet recorded any Goan folk songs though I do sing them occasionally in my recitals. I would love to do a CD one day of Goan folksongs but need to collect a few more. I shall be singing 2 Goan folksongs at the concert on the 3rd July at the Drapers Hall. - Aum Saiba and Dolure Baba - a fisherman's Lullaby. For details and to book go to http://www.colf.org/event-details.cfm?e=484 Eddie Fernandes == -Original Message- Pandu Lampiao Here is the only video of Patricia Rozario on stage http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hb9u8Fp3huI Out of curosity and interest, wish someone would post the sound/video link to Ms. Rozario singing, Aum Saiba Poltoddi Vetam
[Goanet] Definition of a Portophile!
http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2006-May/043952.html Education was wasted? -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England
[Goanet] LIMERICK FOR THE DAY 141 - GOA OF OUR DREAMS
GOA OF OUR DREAMS That was a most thoughtful and insightful piece About Goans, who are most anxious to release Goa from its present woes and sorry plight, But have no idea of what a future that is bright Involves, yet their complaints never cease. Goans do feel estranged from the Goa of today, And for the Goa of the past fervently pray. But can we really turn the clock back? And if so, how far do we want it back? Do we really believe we can hold development at bay? We Goans pride ourselves on our intellect and brains, The meanest of us has unusual horse sense in his veins. But that in a sense has been a curse, As our individuality we cannot reverse, Which the seeds of disunity sadly contains. That prevents the rise of one who can truly give the lead, One whom we can follow in our present time of need, Taking us to the Garden of Eden for which we yearn, But somehow the path to which we cannot discern, And not merely show us how to get rid of every evil weed. - Shanti Dhoot RE: Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall - Navhind Times - by Arun Sinha Goans feel estranged by present-day Goa...(but)I am yet to meet two people who have the same formula for saving Goa. And I am yet to meet anyone who can tell me what to do after saving Goa. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062420
[Goanet] Goan Regional Plan 2110
Goan Regional Plan 2110 Mr. Plastino D'Costa The recent scrapping of the Regional Plan 2011 by the Government of Goa, might go a long way in having a positive impact on the society. However, some Goans are in self doubt if they have taken the right stand, therefore it is important to find out the actual reasons why Goans really objected to this Plan so strongly. The positive impact on the society being that people have found a voice and the Government has acknowledged this, by reversing a decision and chose not to go against the people wishes. This is in keeping with the recent trends all over the world, that Governments are prepared to keep an open mind and reverse wrong decisions. Another positive impact on Goans is that for the first time Goans have realized, they don't have to be in politics or depend on politicians to do good to the society. Many Goans will now realize that there are people outside of politics that care for Goa, and the recent movement that generated steam and brought most Goans on board has proved this. What went wrong then? Why did a 5 year plan which took equal number of years to prepare did not go well with the average Goan. Surely there is some soul searching to be done. The Planning think-tank who were assigned this project have to now head back to the drawing boards and re-draft the plan again that is acceptable to Goans. Of course no plan can satisfy everybody, and Goans are already running a reputation as party spoilers to development, but to be fair on Goans, we need to think why we object to everything every time. Political parties when in Government have a tendency to make short sighted plans for 5 years, maybe to make sure their plan does not outlive their term in office and also it does not benefit the other political party just in case they lost power. Even consultants sometimes when hired, try to replicate a plan which might have worked for a different state or a country without taking into consideration the local factors. Therefore no plan will work if you don't think long term and if you don't take into consideration the people aspirations, after all plans are not all about number crunching. Goans today are waking up from their siesta and might not trust any plan, because over a short period of time, history has shown them that any planned development has not actually benefited Goans. Some might argue that Goans are not qualified enough or have an attitude to take menial jobs, if that is the case than we need to think of a plan where we first get people qualified, or change the attitude of the people and then talk of development. Today for an average Goan, an Institute of Technology and Science built on prime land means nothing, even if some miniscule Goans might have benefited, the fact remains that if our basic school systems is in shambles, how can we expect Goans to take benefit of an Institute of this caliber. Same goes for the great hotels that have been built, at the most have only created entry level jobs for Goans, maybe brought taxes to the exchequer which in any case does not benefit the grass root Goan. The Konkan railway has still not lived upto expectations as a preferred mode of transportation. Goans still struggle to get reservations or still hope for an exclusive train for Goa to Bombay which runs at the promised speed, not to mention the slums it has created. So how can we come up with a plan that will develop Goa, benefit Goans and at the same time maintain the ecology and thereby its identity. This makes for a strong case of a broader plan, a long term plan, a 100 year plan like the Japanese, a plan which prioritizes what comes first. Perhaps a Regional Plan 2110 for 103 years. A plan which focuses on basic education for the first 10 years, then plan for the higher education. We can't plan and have an Institute of Technology and Science and forget to build the basic primary school. If Retail is the next bit thing that will hit India, then maybe Goa is still not ready for it, because Goans still have to figure out how to dispose of the attractive packing material which will come with the merchandise. Till then we should be ready to live with the good old Mom Pop stores. So any plan should first address the garbage disposal mechanism and then make way for these retail giants. Prioritizing and longevity of the plan will be the key in drafting an acceptable plan. The fact that Goans are cynical of any short term plan is because they doubt the broader long term plan. Any plan which shows a short version and does not mention the long broad plan is going to be a hard sell to any government. Meantime Goans also must realize that every objection and victory comes with some responsibility, Goans now having made their point collectively, that we want to protect the environment will have to walk the talk, by taking individual responsibility for what they
Re: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Middle-class aspirations
Response to (g) below: been my guest for lunch and then let rip Too much flatulence caused the rip ... which would have been eliminated had you seasoned the lunch with compounded asafoetida, also called hing manufactured by Hingwala Sons, A-287 Shil Mahapa Road, New Mumbai. --Folks who live in glass houses should not throw stones --Shri Kon Fucius of Velim, Goa - Original Message - From: J. Colaco jc [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 7:49 PM Subject: [Goanet] Of Gated Communities and Middle-class aspirations (a) SELMA 1: I woke up this morning to read that Britain would be hit by gale-winds of upto 60 miles per hour. Looking through the windows onto the garden that forms part of the gated-community I live in, all seemed blissfully calm. (b) CORNEL: Hi Selma First, pray what gated community do you live in? And paradise? The mind boggles! I was able to drive right to your door-step without a gate in sight! (JC please note). (c) PS Re your expressed disappointment elsewhere about Dickens and his several affairs, were there not a number of women who colluded in the man's romantic and sexual desires? (d) SELMA 2: I'm sorry you didn't think my residence to be a gated community... It could also just be that you missed the wrought-iron gates around it, the 24/7 security guard, the security cameras, the concierge, the 24 hour maintenance team, the manicured lawns, the under-ground parking space, the enclosed gardens, the gym and the terrace garden. (e) I didn't say it was a paradise, I said it was my corner of paradise. (f) Lastly, why you had to publicise a private visit to my house is beyond me. Surely, you could have made your point about Gated communities without making it personal. (g)I think it shows incredibly poor form on your part to have paid me a visit, been my guest for lunch and then let rip on Goanet. I take it, I didn't impress you with my lunch either then? == jc's response: Dears, My plan was to catch up on my work-matters until about early Sept, and give GoaNet, generally a well deserved break from my spiel. But, this one floored me. Here is my two cents worth. 1: Unless Cornel's PhD is on the subject of 'Gated Communities', I will unreservedly accept Selma's description of her residence as a home within a gated community. 2: I believe that Selma knows more about her own home than Cornel does. 3: I have previously provided examples of Cornel's (by now) infamous Misrepresentations. This probably adds to those. 4: It is not up to me to suggest to those who serially Misrepresent, that they should (please) apologise. 5: I will NOT comment on (c) and (f) + (g) supra. I had goose bumps when I read those points. just my view jc
Re: [Goanet] The International Goan Convention July 2008
Date: Sat, 21 Jun 2008 12:47:22 + (GMT) From: edward desilva [EMAIL PROTECTED] Mario?had previously said: and we Ph.D.'s are just a bunch of Einstein wannabes. Mario responds: First Seb tried this trick of truncating what I said in order to change its meaning, and now his buddy, Edward, thinks it will work for him:-)) No, Edward, that's not what I previously said. Perhaps you missed my response to Seb. I have repeated it below, so that you can get caught up with the discussion. Please read this very s-l-o-w-l-y.: Here's what I said to Seb in my post: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-June/076013.html Excerpt: I think Edward is just having some fun with the Ph.D.s on Goanet, some of whom - not most - certainly have delusions of superiority, but who should respond accordingly, something like, Edward, you are absolutely correct. You have the wisdom of Solomon and Bill Gates combined, and we Ph.D.'s are just a bunch of Einstein wannabes. Do you have a job for us where we can dirty our hands?:-)) [end of excerpt] See the difference it makes when you don't chop a piece out of an entire sentence, Edward? Edward wrote: Einstein was a PhD was he? I, all along thought he had left school and?was working as a clerk?in an office facing the clock tower, working out his own calculations in his spare time when he was bored. Mario responds: Einstein was awarded a Ph.D. by the University of Zurich at the age of 26. Edward wrote: Seb asked you a simple question; 'are you' or 'are you not a PhD'. Mario responds: I had already previously written that I was less than a Ph.D. That should mean to most English speakers that I am NOT a Ph.D. Seb was simply confused as I have previously explained. Edward wrote: You go on to say he has spelling mistakes,?yet your next mail to Rui says?spelling does not matter on Goanet.? Mario responds: You are correct on both counts. Seb had wrong spellings and spellings don't matter much in a forum like Goanet as long as we can understand what the person is saying. Maybe this is all too confusing to you:-)) Edward wrote: If you are not a PhD, why put yourself among them by saying WE the PhDs?? Mario explains: Because, at that point, I was telling those with Ph'D.'s what they should say to you. I was not putting myself among them, as you should be able to tell if you read what I said to Seb, shown above. I had already said that I was not a Ph.D.
[Goanet] Was Goa liberated or Conquered?
Hi Paulo, Most societies when they do not get their legitimate rights, they fight and often die (for them), till they get those inalienable rights. That is what Goans did against the Portuguese. I may be wrong, but never in history has anybody gotten their legal rights by just writing letters / posts; or by merely sitting in an arm-chair; or worse still, sitting in an easy-chair 1000 miles away. Are you suggesting that Goa and Goans make a breakthrough in 5000 years of recorded history? Vis-a-vis India, the actions of the Goans speak louder than your words. Goans are happy with the legal rights that they have and exercise through numerous elections. Those who are unhappy can always march, go on hunger-strike, etc. IN GOA. Have you seen anybody in Goa do that since 1961? Or like civilized people have they not gone to the polls to elect their democratic representatives? Perhaps you should follow the advice you recently gave Samir - Move On Regards, GL -- Paulo Colaco Dias Mario is right, when he says that the Portuguese in Goa were * conquerors *. There is no denying this fact. We all know it very well and it is in the world history books. This discussion: - has to do with us Goans when Nehru said in the Indian Parliament that he would march over Goa regardless of the wishes of Goans. - has to do with us Goans when India invaded our territory. A territory that should have been liberated from the Portuguese and handed over to Goans to decide our future - has to do with us Goans and the fact that according to the Supreme Court of India, Goa was acquired by conquest - has to do with us Goans when some Goans approached Nehru in 1962 and 1963 for a plebiscite and the request was denied and totally ignored. - has to do with us Goans when the most active freedom fighters approached Nehru with the expectation to be given leading jobs - has to do with us Goans when slowly our laws were changed and our comunidade lands were stolen and violated. - has to do with us Goans when we became a minority in our own land. - has to do with us Goans when the central government decides our future. - has to do with us Goans when we failed to guarantee our distinct Goan identity. - has to do with us Goans when we continue to claim that we have been liberated (wrongly) when in fact we have been conquered and subjugated, yet again!
Re: [Goanet] Goa of Our Dreams: Living Within a China Wall
Excellent anaylsis and comments. I was thinking on the same lines i.e Sinha is pretending to think like us so he can transplant His Masters Voice onto the background music. Counter-insurgency at it's best. Roland 416-453-3371 On Tue, Jun 24, 2008 at 6:03 PM, Frederick [FN] Noronha * फ्रेडरिक नोरोन्या [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What seems like a very rationale plea has to be seen vis-a-vis the backdrop against which it is made. A campaign against mining has heated up in Goa, the Leader of the Opposition suggests some involved with this campaign might be violent Naxalites, and the Navhind Times of which Sinha is editor is owned by a prominent mining empire here.
[Goanet] Taleigao Chess Academy flays Goa State Chess Association
Taleigao Chess Academy flays Goa State Chess Association PANAJI - The Taleigao Chess Academy has flayed the Goa State Chess Association for resolving not to renew their registration until their secretary, Mr Shrikant Barve, who has been placed under suspension by All India Chess Federation from all chess activities pending enquiry, is cleared off all charges framed against him by the Federation. Mr Ganesh Manerkar, academys treasurer, addressing a press conference here on Tuesday, stated that Mr Suhas Asnodkar, secretary of the association had informed the academy about non-renewal till Mr S Barve was cleared of all charges there should not be any correspondence with TCA. The academy had sought permission from the Association for holding an all-Goa under-7 chess, all-India primary school students chess and special coaching for Goan players. Mr Manerkar stated that Mr Barve had resigned as the secretary of the academy on May 20 and that they will be informing the association about the same. Meanwhile, Mr Barve stated that he got the suspension letter from the Federation 51 days after the suspension was announced and that a cheque for Rs 300 as renewal fees of the academy which was sent on May 12 was returned by the Association on June 15 due to his suspension. Mr Barve stated that he had applied for a certified copy of the Association and that the Distric Registrar, South Goa had informed that the Association had not renewed its registration certificate till 25-05-08 under section 3 (B) (5) of the Socities Registration (Goa Second Amendment Act) 1998. Mr Barve stated that he had had sent a legal notice to the SAG asking for its intervention. http://www.navhindtimes.com/articles.php?Story_ID=062524
[Goanet] CONDOLENCES
The Managing Committee and Players of AVC - Kuwait, deeply mourn the sad demise of Mr.DOMNIC MARTIN CORREIA, beloved father of our friend Mr. Tony Correia (Vice President of Goan Overseas Association - Kuwait). May the Almighty Lord give strength and courage to Tony and the bereaved family to bear this irreparable loss. May his soul rest in peace. Xavier Furtado AVC - Kuwait
