[Goanet-News] Story behind the song: Hanv Saiba Poltoddi Vetam (from Francis Rodrigues)
GREATEST KONKANI SONG HITS #1: ___ transcribing the fine music of a great culture - revisiting the original magic, and recreating a modern idiom: ___ HANV SAIBA POLTODDI VETAM ___ I'm Going Across To the Other Side Of The River ___ LEGEND: Hanv Saiba This is the most famous Dekhnni (a semi-classical Goan dance form), composed by Carlos Eugenio Ferreira of Corjuem, Aldona in 1887 and published, with the help of his brilliant pianist brother Eduardo, in Paris in 1895, as `The Balladas de Concan'. Tipografia Rangel subsequently brought it out in Goa three decades later in 1926. Dekhnnis are often called The Song of The Dancing Girl (kolvont), and here a couple of these beautiful nymphs approach the boatman to ferry them across the river for Damu's wedding. This extortionate worthy baulks on one pretext or the other, refusing their offers of jewellery, flowers, etc, until satiated by a kiss! This rousing and evocative strain was even adapted by the noted Bollywood music-duo Laxmikant-Pyarelal for producer Raj Kapoor's celebrated 1973 film Bobby. Lifted almost in its entirety, for an arguably Christian wedding-scene, it was retitled Na Chaahoon Sona Chaandi, but the melody is unmistakable, right down to its ghe, ghe, ghe, refrain. ___ TALES OF THE UNEXPECTED: Hanv Saiba Shiroda, Goa, March 1887. The dancing-girl's eyes glittered, her steps faltering slightly. She'd had a little too much to drink, whirling the night away at Damu's wedding. She sat down unsteadily at the ferry wharf, waiting for the boatman to take her back alone. He'd been at the wedding too - white with anger, her memory returned of the rapacious advantage he'd taken of her and her two absent companions, after he'd extracted a passionate kiss to take them across. She murmured a prayer to Kali goddess of the dance, from whom they got their name kali'vont. He rowed her back to the islands alone, leery thoughts quickening his stroke. He was going to have all the jewellery she'd promised, to row her across, and then her. As the lithe craft beached the opposite shore his iron grip clamped her bangled wrist, and she yelped in fear. Glazed, she reached down her free hand and unfastening both the promised anklets, flung one viciously at him. It hit him square in the temple, he swore and tripped, his stout oar thrown aloft. Deftly she caught it, and both hands now free, like lightening snaked the other anklet around his collar, garrotted it to the oar and swiftly broke his neck. Quickly retrieving the other anklet, she pushed the corpse out in the boat. Downtide he would vanish in the Arabian sea by dawn. Twin points smouldered deep under the dancing waves - her eyes - Kali was also goddess of death. Hanv Saiba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwX0PUZRHk ___ Francis Rodrigues (c) 2009. Author of the multi-volume Greatest Konkani Song Hits series.Tales Of The Unexpected contains many elements of the original lyric ideas. http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com http://www.konkanisongbook.com/
[Goanet-News] Goa news for July 2, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa buys Dempo\'s mining - Wall Street Journal argest acquisition in India's iron ore industry, Sesa Goa, a subsidiary of London-listed Vedanta Resources, today acquired Goa-based Dempo ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124477538725409047.html?mod=googlenews_wsjusg=AFQjCNGtdefbuUKZIJ6RGNoiLq1hOIrdCQ *** Goa Under-16 - IndianFootball.Com dianFootball.ComWe'd like to welcome you to our new IndianFootball.Com website! We hope you like the new design of our site... more Please let us know if you notice any ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.indianfootball.com/en/news/articleId/usg=AFQjCNHUXwzyk6NUdaCL4EBP9a2u2hs0-Q *** Mumbai boy, friends traced to Goa - Times of India ads-rebuke-teen-runs-off-to-Goa-with-pals/articleshow/4722121.cmsusg=AFQjCNG7RBjX45qRQJwP5Gm48cTZdiTpQQAfter dad's rebuke, teen runs off to Goa with pals http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Mumbai-boy-friends-traced-to-Goa/articleshow/4722065.cmsusg=AFQjCNGc-NN6yQN7Dax0Kn9GP0g-RmJrow *** Goa gets anti-ragging law - Times of India inding reports in ragging cases and makes the heads abettors in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Goa-gets-anti-ragging-law/articleshow/4722448.cmsusg=AFQjCNEOkLsHGH3yJia0XXhCqC6jAvGHqg *** Is the Goa police equipped and prepared to defend the state in ... - Times of India kGrpOaD3vKJGzvwCan a committee check schools from charging exorbitant sums? http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2009/07/01/4969569.aspxusg=AFQjCNFptWuU2orOiv__pgR8rqkrGnZ5rg *** Qatar Airways Unveils Route Launch Dates for Amritsar And Goa - eTravelBlackboard - Asia Edition Asia EditionQatar Airways has announced it is bringing forward the launch dates of its two new Indian routes Goa and Amritsar in time for the busy winter holiday ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rnav=2sa=Turl=http://www.etravelblackboardasia.com/article.asp?id=62999usg=AFQjCNEzLqbTaI-r80k8Xl14Ea8DgBc3wg *** Goa NCP to Get a New Chief - Daijiworld.com sa-uk-news/latest-news/612516/Politics/6/79/6usg=AFQjCNFdpK2i4QS1YVv6HgMN7Hz9yMepMAHunt on for Goa NCP chief http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rn_tit=Goa NCP to Get a New Chiefsa=Turl=http://www.daijiworld.com/news/news_disp.asp?n_id=62026usg=AFQjCNHmHMGxAsXipB4p-W2DoNYEH18cGQ *** GOA Applauds Call to Action on Judge Sotomayor from nra\'s Past ... - Examiner.com aminer.compeople no rights at all when it comes to state or city laws. She gave no explanation, and made no call for Supreme Court action. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.examiner.com/x-13542-Grand-Rapids-Hunting-Examiner~y2009m6d29-GOA-Applauds-Call-to-Action-on-Judge-Sotomayor-from-NRAs-Past-Presidentusg=AFQjCNHJXhEj1g-lkX5qUKq6eDwgYU4PJg *** Machines to sieve dirt from Goa\'s sand - Times of India aZsMbThPEBMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Machines-to-sieve-dirt-from-Goas-sand/articleshow/4722071.cmsusg=AFQjCNG0dRDY5ZhRbuEpgc3PBd74S8RTiA *** BSNL launches WiMAX in Goa - TeleGeography wned Indian telco Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL) has launched commercial WiMAX service in Goa, The Times of India reports. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?email=htmlfd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=29087usg=AFQjCNFfrlDtZIXzSb0CDDhV3VwW1T__lA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet-News] Goa news for July 3, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa buys Dempo\'s mining - Wall Street Journal argest acquisition in India's iron ore industry, Sesa Goa, a subsidiary of London-listed Vedanta Resources, today acquired Goa-based Dempo ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124477538725409047.html?mod=googlenews_wsjusg=AFQjCNGtdefbuUKZIJ6RGNoiLq1hOIrdCQ *** Bombay HC declines to quash chargesheet against Goa health minister - Indlaw.com urns-down-Vishwajits-plea/articleshow/4727094.cmsusg=AFQjCNHXdkBaVtMW8e8KzQpV22CPPxkWvgHC turns down Vishwajit's plea http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.indlawnews.com/newsdisplay.aspx?dcb21bbf-5643-4aa3-8de5-56765d22b218usg=AFQjCNGRatXuo7NNYFtzWm2AWaC7EXHS8A *** Mumbai boy, friends traced to Goa - Times of India ads-rebuke-teen-runs-off-to-Goa-with-pals/articleshow/4722121.cmsusg=AFQjCNG7RBjX45qRQJwP5Gm48cTZdiTpQQAfter dad's rebuke, teen runs off to Goa with pals http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Mumbai-boy-friends-traced-to-Goa/articleshow/4722065.cmsusg=AFQjCNGc-NN6yQN7Dax0Kn9GP0g-RmJrow *** Goa gets anti-ragging law - Times of India inding reports in ragging cases and makes the heads abettors in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Goa-gets-anti-ragging-law/articleshow/4722448.cmsusg=AFQjCNEOkLsHGH3yJia0XXhCqC6jAvGHqg *** Is the Goa police equipped and prepared to defend the state in ... - Times of India kGrpOaD3vKJGzvwCan a committee check schools from charging exorbitant sums? http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2009/07/01/4969569.aspxusg=AFQjCNFptWuU2orOiv__pgR8rqkrGnZ5rg *** \'Timeless Moments\' At Park Hyatt Goa Resort and Spa - Oneindia Mand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://living.oneindia.in/cosmopolitan/cosmo-life/2009/park-hyatt-goa-resort-140509.htmlusg=AFQjCNFIwMZJ8leaqFqPCj3SkmxEOAKzDA *** GOA Applauds Call to Action on Judge Sotomayor from nra\'s Past ... - Examiner.com aminer.compeople no rights at all when it comes to state or city laws. She gave no explanation, and made no call for Supreme Court action. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.examiner.com/x-13542-Grand-Rapids-Hunting-Examiner~y2009m6d29-GOA-Applauds-Call-to-Action-on-Judge-Sotomayor-from-NRAs-Past-Presidentusg=AFQjCNHJXhEj1g-lkX5qUKq6eDwgYU4PJg *** Machines to sieve dirt from Goa\'s sand - Times of India aZsMbThPEBMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Machines-to-sieve-dirt-from-Goas-sand/articleshow/4722071.cmsusg=AFQjCNG0dRDY5ZhRbuEpgc3PBd74S8RTiA *** Goa looks at slag to drive road construction - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa State Pollution Control Board will coordinate with the Central Road Research Institute (CRRI), Delhi, to study the feasibility of using slag ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Goa-looks-at-slag-to-drive-road-construction/articleshow/4727096.cmsusg=AFQjCNFNPp1v9bHJ9PZ4RSM96Uci41rPOg *** BSNL launches WiMAX in Goa - TeleGeography wned Indian telco Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL) has launched commercial WiMAX service in Goa, The Times of India reports. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?email=htmlfd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=29087usg=AFQjCNFfrlDtZIXzSb0CDDhV3VwW1T__lA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Pina Bausch no more with us
Dear Goans worldwide and those in Germany, As we know now, Pina Bausch, the choreographer passed away yesterday at 68 in Wuppertal, Germany only five days after being diagnosed of cancer. http://www.pina-bausch.de/news.htm Am Dienstag, 30. Juni 2009, starb Pina Bausch, die Tänzerin und Choreographin des Wuppertaler Tanztheaters. Ein unerwarteter schneller Tod ergriff sie fünf Tage nach einer Krebsdiagnose. Noch am vorletzten Sonntag stand sie mit ihrer Company im Wuppertaler Opernhaus auf der Bühne. For many years now, I have worked as a design collaborator with Sandy Graff on a project for Reena Shagan who runs Shagan Arts in New York. Reena represents Pina Bausch Tanztheater Wuppertal, among other leading international dance companies. Only last week we were looking at what pictures to use that best represented Pina. I was also fortunate to have the opportunity along with Sandy Graff to design posters for Nelken (Carnations) and Nur Du (Only You) for their US seasons. According to a statement on Tanztheater Wuppertal's official website, Bausch took her last bow on the Wuppertal stage the Sunday before last. http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2009/jun/30/pina-bausch-dies-dancer Do watch the videos at this link, particularly Cafe Müller, and read the accompanying text. I think Goans would appreciate of Pina's works in particular--Masurca Fogo. http://www.guardian.co.uk/stage/2009/jul/01/pina-bausch-clip-dance-guide ++ venantius j pinto
[Goanet] The Accidental Activist - Desperate People
The Accidental Activist - Desperate People By Venita Coelho I have been following the fight in Lalgarh closely. Even more so because a dear friend was right in the heart of it. He went in to do a report for a paper - and found himself stranded with no way to get out. The naxals had dug up the surrounding roads, burnt the bridge and barricaded exits with trees. Helicopters dropped leaflets telling people not to side with the naxals. Television gave hourly updates on how the police and special forces were poised to move in and take back the area that had been defiantly taken over by the Maoists. How he got out is a saga in itself, but I found myself sharing a cup of tea with him and chatting about the whole experience. And I found myself wondering - will the naxals ever come to Goa? On the face of it the answer is 'No'. They have proliferated in the areas where the poorest of the poor live. Where years of awful governance have stripped dirt poor tribals and villagers of even the little subsistence they had. Ignored by the administration, exploited by the local authorities, bullied by the police, the villagers have seen the naxals as one last chance to fight back. As their land is signed over to mining and other interests, as the forest is declared out of bounds for them, as their livelihood vanishes before their eyes they have become desperate people willing to take up arms as a desperate measure. Surely that situation will never happen in Goa. At the end of the day we are a rich state. The standard of living in Goa is high. It regularly features in magazine polls as the place to live in. On the face of it all is well in Aparanta. Merely on the face of it. I have asked the question 'will the naxals ever come to Goa?' to several activists. And nobody has ever replied with a firm 'no'. Each has thought long and hard. As I have to. And my opinion is that the mining belt will tip us over. That and the corruption. Goa features as the state that is the best to live in. It also features high on Transparency Internationals list as the single most corrupt state in India. You would imagine Bihar or Jharkhand would make it to first. Goa beats them hands down. For decades Goa has been sold by our politicians. Finally the scales are poised to tip over. The seething activism all over the state should be viewed with great alarm. It takes a lot to rouse a Goan. But if across the state people are willing to come out and fight then there is something seriously rotten in the state of Goa. And it has come home to the ordinary man. Activism in Goa is the tip of the iceberg. Looming under the surface is the dead weight of years of frustration with watching helplessly as generation after generation of politicians sold the state shamelessly. The scales are most likely to tip in the mining areas. The rest of Goa lives in a world that is far removed from the reality of those living in close proximity to the mines. Ignored by the administration, exploited by the local authorities, bullied by the police - is an apt description of what is happening right now in the mining affected areas. The mining business turns over hundreds of crores. These find their way to the highest corridors of power. The might of state machinery, police, administration is all geared to keep the money rolling. The villager who stands up to protest finds that he is slapped with police cases, arrested, harassed. Make no mistake. The villager is fighting because his livelihood is vanishing before his eyes. He is a desperate person. It is this desperation that will finally drag us over the edge. It is naive and uninformed to see the fight in Bengal and elsewhere in India as the state versus the bad guys. Naxals are not terrorists despite all efforts to label them so. It is the state that has created the climate for them to thrive. They move in on years of frustration and despair. It is the common man in Lalgarh who has taken up his bow and arrow to stand against the might of the well armed police and forces. Take away the ring of jargon from 'peoples fight against oppression' and that is exactly what it is. Will the naxals come to Goa? If our politicians continue their rape of the resources of the state - yes. If mining is not checked, nor any controls put in place - yes. If we continue to be the most corrupt state in Goa - yes. We have our own desperate people edging closer every day to desperate measures. Our very own Lalgarh is waiting to happen. (ENDS) === The above article appeared in the June 23, 2009 edition of the Herald, Goa
[Goanet] 25th June 1975, Imposition of Emergency - India's Most Infamous Day
How can people like Marshall Mendonza shamelessly absolve a woman who imposed a draconian Emergency in otherwise peaceful India. She was held guilty of corrupt practices during her election campaign and the Emergency was a cynical device to perpetuate her hold on the government. The trajectory of the political crisis that overwhelmed the country following declaration of emergency by that shameless dictator called Indira Gandhi on the midnight of 25 June, 1975. It was the saddest period in the short life of the Indian democracy. It was the moment when the greatest democratic setup in the world tumbled into a dictatorship for the sake of a handful of people who were aiming to foist a dynastic rule on India. The events leading to the massive preventive detention of political leaders like Jayaprakash Narain, Morarji Desai, Atal Behari Vajpayee, censorship on Newspapers and the asphyxiation of liberty by repressive legislation under the personal supervision of Indira Gandhi and her renegade son Sanjay Gandhi showed their small mindedness, wickedness, immorality, immaturity and irresponsibility. Her pride and arrogance reached the climax during the period of emergency. The sharp decline of moral values in politics and administration that took place in Indira Gandhi's time had never been witnessed before. she acquired complete control over all media. She brought in a new terrorist regime in which her government could send any citizen to jail at will without disclosing any reasons. The biggest casualty of Indira Gandhi's assault on democracy has been the sharp fall in the moral standards of everyday life in our country. She started enduring relationship with corruption. Everyone knows that she honored and exalted corruption that it became an integral part of the texture of our national life. In short she made unabashed corruption an authentic badge of Congress government-sponsored greatness in India.
Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
I still repeat: I was able to purchase two properties in the UK without ever having been a UK national - the first flat in 1981 as an Indian citizen, the second, a house in 1986, as a Portuguese citizen. Then when I came to Australia in 1993, as a Portuguese citizen, I was able to buy a house in which I am still living. In none of the cases was I requested for nationality papers. All one needed was the wherewithal to pay for the property (mortgage/ready cash). Not only that, I was able to vote in the UK elections, local and national, initially as a commonwealth citizen, then as a resident, not as a UK citizen. Cheers, Gabriel. PS Malaysian, Singaporean and HongKong Chinese parents have bought houses and flats for their children in Melbourne, where they send their children to be educated. The parents don't live here, and once the children have completed their education and are ready to move into the world of their professions, they sell the properties at a profit. - Original Message From: Elvino Rodriques elvi...@alghanim.com To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Cc: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com Sent: Wednesday, 1 July, 2009 9:32:05 PM Subject: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa Bravo Jane Gillian, Your mail is really some explanation to put the arguing heads to rest. I have been following many of the posts for quite some time, especially the arguments that Ex Goans in UK used to put forward, saying, they have bought houses, property in UK and therefore it is justifiable and should be allowed to purchase lands in Goa by British nationals. UK Goans were equating their purchase of Property in UK on par with land purchases of British National in Goa. So also some British were justifying their purchase of lands in India/Goa by arguing that so many Indians/Goans have bought the lands/houses and any other property in their country - UK, therefore it is right for them to purchase lands in India/Goa. But what these people were not saying is that the British that purchased the lands in India/Goa are infact British Nationals (and Not Indian Nationals) and also the so called Indians/Goans that purchased property in UK are also British Nationals (and no longer Indian Nationals). Once upon a time they have been Goans/Indians but now they given up their nationality and are become UK Subjects, therefore their argument doesn't hold good and same. Ex Indians/Goans who purchased the property/land/houses in UK have done so by their right of being UK Nationals where as the British who bought the lands in Goa are not Indian Nationals yet, therefore they are considered as Foreigners. And those Ex Indian/Goans who bought any property in UK were able to purchase it because they are thecitizens of that country and therefore they are no longer Foreigners to UK but to India yes. I hope I am clear. Message: 4 Date: 30 Jun 2009 16:50:33 - From: jane gillian rodrigues janerodrig...@rediffmail.com Subject: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Message-ID: 20090630165033.25452.qm...@f5mail-237-216.rediffmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hi Goankars,anamari...@dataone.in My reply to e-mail below:-(1)When buying in the Company name, should company be of foreign origin or have an Indian partner or wholly owned by Indians? (2)The female friend, may have been of Indian origin, but now is a British citizen, so under what laws of the state of Goa, prevalent at the time of purchase, was this British woman allowed to buy property in Goa? (3)The period of lease prevalent at the time of purchase by British nationals, was for how many years? (4)What is meant by the wordsThose Goans/Indians having foreign passports. I presumed, that once you become a citizen of a foreign country, you can no more be called Indian or Goan, you are henceforth known as Britisher or American, not Goan or Indian. (5)The words unscruplous lawyers/builders who are taking people for a ride. Really? Britishers are now DONKEYS (6)The words titles are not clearbuyers also are gulliable and are not verifying the papers. Really British Buyers are not verifying papers and are gullible??? Could someone on Goanet please explain, how the British ruled the world? __ This e-mail message and any attachments to it are for the sole use of the intended recipients and may contain confidential and privileged information. This e-mail message and any attachments are the property of Yusuf A. Alghanim Sons w.l.l. or any of its subsidiaries or affiliates (“Alghanim Industries”). Any unauthorized review, use, disclosure, or distribution of this e-mail message or its attachments is prohibited. Any opinions expressed in this message are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the opinion of Alghanim
[Goanet] Daily Grook #454
DAILY GROOK #454 ___ VROOM TOMB ___ by Francis Rodrigues in the dakar rally our car went boom, 'twas buried sadly there in khartoum! _ puns word-play of all kinds, hey...read between the lines! _ _ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046
[Goanet] Greatest Konkani Song Hits #1
GREATEST KONKANI SONG HITS #1: ___ transcribing the fine music of a great culture - revisiting the original magic, and recreating a modern idiom: ___ HANV SAIBA POLTODDI VETAM ___ I'm Going Across To the Other Side Of The River ___ LEGEND: Hanv Saiba This is the most famous Dekhnni (a semi-classical Goan dance form), composed by Carlos Eugenio Ferreira of Corjuem, Aldona in 1887 and published, with the help of his brilliant pianist brother Eduardo, in Paris in 1895, as ‘The Balladas de Concan’. Tipografia Rangel subsequently brought it out in Goa three decades later in 1926. Dekhnnis are often called The Song of The Dancing Girl (kolvont), and here a couple of these beautiful nymphs approach the boatman to ferry them across the river for Damu's wedding. This extortionate worthy baulks on one pretext or the other, refusing their offers of jewellery, flowers, etc, until satiated by a kiss! This rousing and evocative strain was even adapted by the noted Bollywood music-duo Laxmikant-Pyarelal for producer Raj Kapoor's celebrated 1973 film Bobby. Lifted almost in its entirety, for an arguably Christian wedding-scene, it was retitled Na Chaahoon Sona Chaandi, but the melody is unmistakable, right down to its ghe, ghe, ghe, refrain. ___ TALES OF THE UNEXPECTED: Hanv Saiba Shiroda, Goa, March 1887. The dancing-girl's eyes glittered, her steps faltering slightly. She'd had a little too much to drink, whirling the night away at Damu's wedding. She sat down unsteadily at the ferry wharf, waiting for the boatman to take her back alone. He'd been at the wedding too - white with anger, her memory returned of the rapacious advantage he'd taken of her and her two absent companions, after he'd extracted a passionate kiss to take them across. She murmured a prayer to Kali goddess of the dance, from whom they got their name kali'vont. He rowed her back to the islands alone, leery thoughts quickening his stroke. He was going to have all the jewellery she'd promised, to row her across, and then her. As the lithe craft beached the opposite shore his iron grip clamped her bangled wrist, and she yelped in fear. Glazed, she reached down her free hand and unfastening both the promised anklets, flung one viciously at him. It hit him square in the temple, he swore and tripped, his stout oar thrown aloft. Deftly she caught it, and both hands now free, like lightening snaked the other anklet around his collar, garrotted it to the oar and swiftly broke his neck. Quickly retrieving the other anklet, she pushed the corpse out in the boat. Downtide he would vanish in the Arabian sea by dawn. Twin points smouldered deep under the dancing waves - her eyes - Kali was also goddess of death. Hanv Saiba http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RSwX0PUZRHk ___ Francis Rodrigues (c) 2009. Author of the multi-volume Greatest Konkani Song Hits series.Tales Of The Unexpected contains many elements of the original lyric ideas. http://www.KonkaniSongBook.com _ _ Attention all humans. We are your photos. Free us. http://go.microsoft.com/?linkid=9666046
[Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
I have been keenly following the debate on the Goanet about Goan freedom fighters. Since it is a delicate subject, I thought it would be prudent on my part to remain silent and not to add spice to it. But then I have had urge to write something about it, so here I am. To understand Goa's freedom fighters we ought to start with geography of Goa . However much I may dislike to use these words, I have somehow to use them i.e. Velhas Conquistas and Novas Conquistas.Velhas C are four and half centuries old and Novas C are only two centuries old , roughly about the same time the British were in the rest of India. Let us face it. Ultimately, it is the personnel of the Indian armed forces that liberated Goa from the Salazarist administration. The freedom fithters of Novas C , to the best of my knowledge were not so effective against the colonial stranglehold of Goa. There is no record of any weakening of the Portuguese administration as a result of the activities of these freedom fighters. And yet, in the Govt. of Goa's Roll Call of Honour these fighters are found in great abundance. Could the Govt. please publish the name of these fighters and especially their ages. The freedom fighters of Velhas C. normally came from elite background and it appears that they were more interested in some political powers being devolved into their hands only. I have yet, to come across a single instance with these fighters demanding from the Portuguese Govt. full franchise for the illiterate Catholic masses . The power to vote during the Portuguese rule was confined only to the literate classes. Antonio
[Goanet] NETHERLANDS: 10th GIN Picnic 2009
From: Gerard Lobo Dear Friends, The GIN Picnic on the 27th June was held for the 10th time. That in itself spells success. We have been coming together at the same park to meet, greet, share food and have fun for the last 10 years. The food has been increasing in quantity not forgetting the quality. Variety of deserts is showing up at the desert table. Almost every time new people appear. This year we had new friends come from Belgium and UK . We got to tap ourselves. With Tony and Ronald in our midst, it is always a good time. On this the 10th anniversary the hat (plastic bag) was passed around to show your appreciation to me. I thank you. I will use the amount to maintain the website. We can gradually move to having our own domain on the web. Please do not pass the hat around every time. I do what I can because I love to do it. The website has been updated with photos and videos of the GIN Picnic 2009 http://www.ethiopiancatholicencounter.com/gin/photos_09.html To one and all a big thank you and till next year. Warm regards, Gerard SOURCE: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/GINKobhor/ http://www.goanet.org Goanet - Where Goans Connect
[Goanet] Kunbi Devi, Secular Republic
A Kunbi Devi and a Secular Republic: Learnings from the Peoples’ Tribunal – III (first published in the Gomantak Times 1st July 2009) At the concluding ceremony of the Peoples’ Tribunal, like all grateful organizers, GAKUVED presented the members of the jury and the expert panel with mementos. In this case, a classically-styled image of the Goddess Bhagvati Chimbelkarin as Mahishasura Mardini. That single moment threw into sharp focus the possible options that GAKUVED – the organizers of the Tribunal- have before them in their continuing quest for justice for Goa’s tribal people. The presentation of the image of the Goddess was hugely problematic not only because it was the image of a Hindu goddess being presented to people who don’t necessarily share that faith. The first problem with the image of the goddess was her representation as Durga Mahishasura Mardini. As Durga, the demon slayer, what GAKUVED presented us was the image of a brahmanical goddess, killing the demon in the shape of buffalo. A number of Dalit activists, and other scholars have often pointed out that brahmanical myths operate to justify the subjugation of non-brahmanical groups, represented in these stories as asuras and demons. This story should be familiar to the organizers of GAKUVED who see the brahmanical myth of the advent of Parashuram as the story of their enslavement by brahmanical groups; an enslavement that eventually left them without control over land or their temples. It is for this reason that the presentation of a Brahmanical image of the Goddess was surprising and even troubling. The brahmanical representation of the Goddess, as fair-skinned, tall and supple, with sharp northern features is just one of many ways to represent the Goddess. A scholar friend who was researching the temples in the New Conquests, once recounted the visit of the Goddess to her in a dream. Not one to dismiss such visitations as nonsense, I asked her what the Goddess looked like, having in my own mind, the image of a fair, light-eyed woman, decked in gold and green. Imagine my surprise when with the deepest of conviction this researcher should indicate that the Goddess had appeared as a Kunbi woman! This appearance of the Goddess in this form should not startle us, since it was the Kunbis who first discovered and recognized the presence of the Goddess in our lands. The original rocks and ant-hills, that were the primal mark of her presence, were worshipped for long without the brahmanical imagery that we today associate with her. In fact, this brahmanical imagery exists in a very interesting manner to the actual object that is held to be the deity. The images of the deities that we see today, are only coverings (masks) placed over the objects held to be the deity. These objects are either rough, misshapen rocks or ant-hills. The brahmanical decorations therefore, reject this original appearance, mask it, and present their own image as the acceptable image of the Goddess. At multiple levels therefore, the brahmanical image is a rejection of the tribal element of Goan culture and the tribal roots of our Goan-Hindu deities. GAKUVED would do well to recognize this fact, and realize that the liberation of the servitude that Goan tribals find themselves hinges also on the creation of a counter-culture and an aesthetic that shuns the brahmanical and privileges the non-brahmanical. On receiving the image of the Goddess I inquired from a friend, why they would think that the image of Durga was appropriate as a memento. He explained to me that Chimbel was an area that was reputed to have the largest number of tribals and hence they were presenting an image of Bhagwati Chimbelkarin. Even more so therefore, the need for an image of the Goddess as a kunbi woman. To fashion the Goddess in this manner, would unleash a huge amount of self-respect within the community. GAKUVED would also do well to take a leaf out of the history of the Bahujan samaj both in Goa and Maharashtra. By not challenging Brahmanism itself, but only fighting the Brahmins, they continue to be caught in the brahmanical trap, unable to get the respect they originally started out for, on the contrary, getting trapped as the foot-soldiers of Hindutva’s attack against the minorities of this country. On this note, we can see how the presentation of the image of the Goddess (and use of other paraphernalia such as the ‘traditional lamp’ at the inauguration) stands to divide the tribal population of Goa, rather than unite them. Goa’s tribal population includes Catholics, and both groups would do well to combine to fight for their rights together rather than separately. The use of religious symbols however definitely acts as a deterrent to this unity. Brahmanical seduction is however not the only barrier to tribal unity in Goa; the law does it fair share too, pointing to the brahmanical bias of the Indian state. GAKUVED is the association of Gawdas (GA), Kunbis (Ku),
[Goanet] GOA NEEDS A STATUTORY LAW COMMISSION
GOA NEEDS A STATUTORY LAW COMMISSION How much seriousness the Government of Goa accords or does not accord to law is reflected both in how it actually goes about enforcing and respecting the law and also how it goes about implementing the law or disregarding it or changing it when it suits it. But it is the heights of things when it sets up a law commission itself with only the legal backing of an executive Order signed by the Law Secretary in the name of the Governor of Goa which any subsequent Government or the same Government (if the presently constituted Law Commission incurs its displeasure) can simply bypass by a sleight of another Order. Cannot a legislation better serve the purpose? Umbrage may well be taken under the fact that the Law Commission of India is also repeatedly constituted by a Government Order each time and each time its terms of reference are defined by the particular Order in question. Well, surely if Goa is special and must have special status, it must be special in how it respects the work of its constituted bodies and rigorously does not throw entire processes to the winds simply availing of the fact that the very constitution of the body was not statutory? Perhaps it can take a cue from neighbouring Bangladesh which has a statutory Law Commission? What’s more? In the web-site of the Law Commission of Goa now (http://goalawcommission.gov.in), there is an admission that this Commission has been constituted after forty years and is only the second one to be constituted post-1961. What happened to the First Law Commission? The Law Commission’s website refers to the first Law Commission of Goa as being set up in 1968. Coming as it did then, it was assigned the task of examining the Portuguese Laws in force in Goa, Daman and Diu and to repeal the same wherever necessary by undertaking suitable legislation. Finding the task cumbersome, it is believed to have abandoned the first part and changed its course by setting out to prepare a comprehensive Draft Bill for Parliamentary Legislation expressly repealing all the Portuguese laws (except those the immediate repeal of which was not considered feasible or advisable) and extending the remaining Central Acts to the extent considered necessary. It is not clear to what extent the First Law Commission’s recommendations saw the light of day then or thereafter. Clearly all their recommendations were not accepted. And no second Commission was constituted after that until now. What is the vision with which this present Law Commission is constituted? The order is simply too bland and does not indicate any such vision. In its stated objective of constituting the present Law Commission, the Government of Goa has stated that its objective is to set it up in view of the persistent demand for such a body to examine the existing legislations and to suggest suitable measures requiring changes or modifications, with a view to co-ordinating and harmonizing them. True, there has been a consistent demand for this from people. Revenue laws and mundkar, land tenancy laws and rent laws, for instance, do not reflect the spirit of the family laws. The Town and Country Planning Act has not incorporated the requisites of the 73rd and 74th Amendments or the Fifth Schedule of the Constitution. There have been calls from the roof-tops for statutory provisions for hearing people’s voices in any planning and that tribal voices be given a special hearing considering their marginalization over the years. The Ganv Ghor Rakhonn Manch for instance has in its representation to the Chief Minister been consistently calling for Immediate re-enactment / amendment, after a thorough public debate and discussion, as necessary the Town and Country Planning Act, 1974, the Municipal Act, 1968, The Corporation of City of Panaji Act, 2002 and the Goa Panchayati Raj Act, 1994, as well as other related legislation that need to be harmonized, to create this legal framework within which the Regional Plan process may move forward toward fruition, as well as for future replication. The Jury in the People’s Tribunal on Restoration of Adivasi Homelands in Goa has observed that the Government’s Regional Plan 2021 cannot be said to be legal without the conduct of gram sabha meetings and the constitution and deliberation of the Gram Sabha as visualized under the Forest Rights Act 2006 with regard to planning of community resources. Mr. Valmiki Faleiro has, through the columns of this newspaper, detailed the harrowing experience of mutation of property documents that is the practice today. The list is endless. But the moot point remains that when issues get hot, successive Governments are known to constitute one-man inquiry committees, task forces, inquiry commissions. People think their problem is redressed and then that committee either works and gives a report or doesn’t work at all and in either cases, its recommendations are not even announced as accepted or endorsed or rejected by
[Goanet] Are the Gram Sabhas really democratic?? Are they empowered??
I found Mario Goveia's personal remarks on Selma Carvalho insensitive. And I think they would divert the attention from her other points. He seems to imply that the way building permits are issued in Goa are not democratic. What he should say is whether the system of Gram Sabha, where the attendance is only 2% of the eligible membership, more democratic. Best Regards, Dr. U. G. Barad
Re: [Goanet] Definition of PIO (Person of Indian Origin)
Add to that, Who is an OCI- Overseas Citizen of India? On 7/1/09, mende...@yahoo.com mende...@yahoo.com wrote: Been reading that some Goanet readers are not actually aware of the definition of PIO (Person of Indian Origin).. i.e. How does a white Brit get a PIO card? Because he married a Indian brown girl.. Could be that this girl was not even born in India but her Parents /Grand parents were Indian Citizens by virtue of the Constitution of India or the Citizenship Act, 1955. Please read the definition.. As per RBI website.. http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_CircularIndexDisplay.aspx?Id=5119 Definition of NRI/PIO NRI for this purpose is defined as a person resident outside India who is citizen of India. In terms of Regulation 2 FEMA Notification No.13 dated May 3, 2000, Non-Resident Indian (NRI) means a person resident outside India who is a citizen of India. Person of Indian Origin (PIO) means a citizen of any country other than Bangladesh or Pakistan who had (a) at any time held Indian passport or (b) he or either of his parents or any of his grandparents was a citizen of India by virtue of the Constitution of India or the Citizenship Act, 1955 or (c) the person is a spouse of an Indian citizen or a person referred to in (a) or (b). Santana Mendes
[Goanet] Konkani Kovita: Dista Mhaka - Mariano Lucas Deniz
GULF-GOANS e-NEWSLETTER (since 1994) KONKANI KOVITA: Dista Mhaka Dista mhaka hanv ek doriya zaucho, Hanv patkan budlam mhakach duvcho. Hanga chod bazar cholta ada naddancho, Tancho sogleancho nas korun sodcho. Dista mhaka ek zauchem agttem uzeachem, Karan, lasunk zaim tem birem, duxttanchem. Atam chod vozem vadlam kurnatteanchem, Bosm korunk zaim choltolean broxttachem. Dista mhaka zauchim ek tolvar darechim, Nak kapunk bedbhav mantoleam somazachim. Deva, heam zogant ek sadon tuvem daddchem, Sogleam zogak zanti, suseig, korpachem. - Mariano Lucas Diniz www.goa-world.com/goa/konkani/ http://www.goa-world.com www.colaco.net www.goa-world.com/goa/ music/ - The Online Music Station for KONKANI THANKS TO ALL FOR YOUR PRAYERS http://www.jrsbible.info/bible.htm EXPRESSIONS - THE FLOWER SHOP http://www.goa-world.com/expressions/ Promoting Tiatr Tiatrists since 1994 Gulf-Goans e-Newsletter http://www.yahoogroups.com/group/gulf-goans To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it. - GK Chesterton
[Goanet] It's all about Mandolin, Violin, Flute Guitar
It's all about Mandolin, Violin, Flute Guitar I really love this. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=040wy1Cozk0 I really love this. For this, one can catch up with me at O Conquero on Fridays. Sorry, can't afford Taj http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/3261479649/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk12/3261479415/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goanet] All system of medicine should work together Dr. Jindal Dean GMC, Bambolim
Santosh writes: --- On Tue, 6/30/09, samir_kelekar at yahoo.com samir_kelekar at yahoo.com wrote: 1) it appears that the basis of many of the treatments of allopathy is empirical --- that is, it works in most cases. Perhaps, only in few cases, an analytical reason is found as to what exactly happens. False. The mechanisms of action of almost all drugs today are known and/or are being actively investigated. In fact, there is not a single Can you give percentages of each ? May be 1% are known and 99% are being investigated in which case what you are talking is pure baloney. conventional drug in the market today whose molecular target inside the body is not known. What might still be under investigation are the details of all the mechanisms that are mediated by its molecular target(s). In the But these details indeed if not known could be life threatening! case of ayurvedic and other alternative medications we have not even scratched the surface. Please dont bring Ayurveda or other disiplines in the picture. I have mentioned my views on that above. For instance, a recent study says that a certain drug given for diabetes is responsible for cancer in patients. Now, no reason is given as to why it could cause cancer. If all the effects of the drug were understood before introducing it, there would be no need for such a study later resulting in such findings. Again, this is totally inaccurate. First, the reason researchers are able to find any type of adverse effects is precisely because they conduct large scale clinical trials using tens of thousands of patients. Nobody That again proves my point that they dont know the logic of what exactly happens, and have to do large scale trials. If they knew the logic, they wont have to do such arbitrary trials. has bothered to do this with ayurvedic or other drugs. So we are This is irrelevant again to the discussion. completely in the dark about what kinds of serious illness they might cause. Second, in the above specific case, the findings of the initial German study using 127,000 patients taking Lantus insulin for diabetes have not been replicated by other studies. Third, we have a good idea of That agains prove my point that things are not logical but empirical. why insulin (or its analogues), which is a hormone produced by the body, might in extremely rare cases cause cancer. The underlying mechanism has Why a probabilistic approach as in extreme rare cases ? Just shows ignorance about the exact logic. been worked out in great detail. Finally, the last sentence above does not make any sense to a medical scientist. One can never understand all the effects of a drug, and even if one rationally understood all the effects, one has to confirm them by doing empirical studies. That is the essence of science. This is bullshit. Once one knows the law and if one is sure of it, that is it. No more empirical studies are needed. I mean for instance in case of gravity, one doesnt have to do more and more empirical studies of how an apple falls down from a tree once Newton's law is discovered. That is the problem with the so called medical science as against natural sciences. Science basically applies to inanimate things as against living things like human beings which can determine their own destiny. Here I would also like to emphasize my point about dependence on external factors/drugs. For inanimate things this may be fine. But a better way for instance in diabetes would be to find out why insulin is not produced, figure out the cause and fix it. Just giving external insulin would not solve the root cause of the problem, and is actually stupid beyond a certain point. 2) Secondly, modern medicine works on individual parts of the body. For instance, a heart disease will be treated by doing something to the heart only. What effect it could have on the body as a whole (which is meant by holistic approach) is not looked at. The above is pure nonsense. No drug can be selective enough to work on just one part of the body. This is why there are side effects, and this is what I told you in my last post in this thread. The molecular targets of drugs that act on the heart are also present in other organs. Indeed, some molecular targets are present in every single cell of the body. This is true especially of molecules that serve important functions. In fact, But ask any MBBS doctor about this, and he/she will tell you that a drug is magic and it just does one thing. This is precisely what the so called modern medicine has degenerated to. coming up with highly selective drugs is one of the dreams of modern medicine. If one could have a drug, for instance, that could selectively kill cancer cells in the breast or the brain without affecting normal tissue or any other organ of the body, then we would have the ultimate wonder drug. So this talk about holism by alternative medics and lay
[Goanet] The Navhind Times Newspaper Redesign: My Thoughts
Greetings from Goa, Over the past weeks and perhaps months, I have been completely involved in the redesign of the local English daily in Goa, The Navhind Times. Sorry if I did not respond promptly to emails! While my area of focus was design, my proposal was that the paper looks at the project as a re-think and not just a redesign. Design is an element to * support* content and not something that needs to get in the face of the reader. I share my ideas behind my design concepts including a promo video I created for the newspaper along with a video guide to the new look. Check my blog: http://dabblinginmultimedia.blogspot.com/2009/07/newspaper-redesign-navhind-times-goa.html Going by early reactions, the new look seems to have gone down pretty well with traditional readers. What remains to be seen is, whether it will draw in new readers. That's where compelling content and a newspaper's willingness to innovate comes in. I wish Goa's oldest English daily the very best as it seeks to re-invent for modern readers. Do share your own thoughts and comments on the blog. cheers #gasper Follow me on Twitter: twitter.com/gasperdesouza Facebook: http://www.facebook.com/people/Gasper-DSouza/673914473 -- No one can go back and make a brand new start Anyone can start from now and make a brand new ending. *If you do not wish to receive updates of my work, please reply to this email with Remove in the subject line.*
[Goanet] Learn Geeta and Sanskrut in Panaji.
Learn Geeta and Sanskrut in Panaji. Sanskrutbharati is starting Bhagawat Geeta and also Sanskrut classes at Dr. K. B. Hedgewar High School, Mala, Panaji from July for 18 months. Tuesday and Thursday, two days in a week Time 6.00pm to 7.30pm Venue : Dr. K. B. Hedgewar High School, Mala, Panaji These classes will be in 4 session of 4 months each. Charges for First session of four month is Rs.300/- Person to Contact : Shri. Mahabal Bhat 9860060373 Shri Prasad Umarye 9420430180 Shrikant Vinayak Barve Convener: We Love Ayurved 9403175973 Looking for local information? Find it on Yahoo! Local http://in.local.yahoo.com/
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
it appears that they were more interested in some political powers being devolved into their hands only. As I thought. Lino Leitão's The Gift of the Holy Cross puts this perception very well, though in relation with Indo-Goan politics, (pp 143-146). Mario, a character in the book who has come from Goa to Bombay (in the 1950s), perceives what real politics Indian-style is all about - a sham to hoodwink the poor masses. Once they (politicians) are in the legislature ... drink Dimple and Royal Salute whiskie ... live in mansions ... These are the people who have inherited India from the British. They preach Gandhian doctrines and spout socilaist slogans while the Indian masses sleep in the gutters he says to Barbosa, a Bombay-Goan politician eager to request Nehru to get the Portuguese out of Goa but has no plans beyond this. Perhaps Lino had Dr.Gaitonde in mind when he cast the character of Edmundo Barbosa. The power to vote during the Portuguese rule was confined only to the literate classes. Thank you Antonio, for that statement. It says all. Gabriel. - Original Message From: Antonio Menezes ac.mene...@gmail.com To: goanet goa...@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, 2 July, 2009 5:10:00 PM Subject: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters Access Yahoo!7 Mail on your mobile. Anytime. Anywhere. Show me how: http://au.mobile.yahoo.com/mail
[Goanet] Goa's Business Engine: GOENCHE.COM, New Look
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[Goanet] Felix Dias - Goan Review's Man of the Y ear 2008-09
Felix Dias - Goan Review's Man of the Year 2008-09 Mr. Felix Dias, the owner of David Co, (Mumbai), has been selected by GRAF (Goan Review Art Foundation), as the Goan Review's (popular Konkani-English bi-monthy) 'Man of the year 2008-09' for the good work done by Felix in the Goan Social and Cultural fields. Mr. Dias born in the village of Pilerne, Bardez, in Goa, on completing his studies initially worked in the Engineering department of M/s J.N Marshal Co, Mumbai, where he mastered the art of printing. In the year 1953, on the 15th August he started his own printing press. Initially he printed books. In 1961 he started printing wedding invitation cards and greeting cards. Today if anyone requires to print a wedding invitation card the name of David Co. always comes foremost in mind. Besides his business Mr. Felix Dias does a lot of social work - may it be in his village, church, social or cultural fields. He is ever ready to help Goans and support the cause of Konkani. He is the hon. treasurer of the Goan Sports Association and member of the balloting committee of the Catholic Gymkhana. He is a very active participant and provides all support to the movement to save the Goan Clubs in Mumbai. He proudly says We have made it big by staying in the clubs. He is also the president of the recently formed ad hoc committee to establish the Federation of Clubs. He is a very active member of the All India Senior Citizens Group and gives his support as and when he can. He says We must do what is beneficial to all and what will be useful for posterity. Because of his social work he has won a number of awards and has been felicitated by many. He is a silent worker, a simple man and is always found with a smiling face in his office. This is his greatness. (Renato Pereira)
Re: [Goanet] Definition of PIO (Person of Indian Origin)
Definition of Overseas Citizen of India One cannot get a clearer defnition of what one gets as an OCI other than indefinite stay in India. SOURCE: http://newdelhi.usembassy.gov/acsdualnation.html Dual Nationality The Indian government recently launched a program called Overseas Citizens of India or OCI. This program often has been mischaracterized as dual nationality or dual citizenship. However, a person who holds an OCI Card in reality is granted an Indian visa, not Indian citizenship. Thus, an American citizen who obtains OCI status remains a citizen only of the United States. The OCI Card is a special visa which grants the holder the right to indefinitely visit, study or work in India, and also the right to own most types of property in India (excluding certain agricultural and plantation properties). A holder of an OCI card also need not register with local police/immigration authorities, unlike other holders of Indian visas. An OCI holder, however, does not receive an Indian passport, and has no other political rights in India, including the right to vote or eligibility for government employment. The OCI card is similar to a Person of Indian Origin (PIO) Card, except that PIO cards are not granted for life, and PIO Card holders may be required to register with police/immigration authorities under certain circumstances. An American citizen who wishes to obtain a PIO or OCI Card, may apply outside of India at the Indian Embassy in Washington, DC, or at an Indian consulate in New York, Chicago, San Francisco or Houston. An American citizen who resides in India can apply at the Foreigner’s Regional Registration Office (FRRO) in New Delhi (tel. 2671-1348). The FRRO also maintains offices in Mumbai, Chennai (known as the Chennai Immigration Office), Calcutta and Amritsar. In Delhi, applications also may be made at the Foreigner's Division of the Ministry of Home Affairs, located at Jaisalmer House, 26 Man Singh Road, New Delhi (tel. 2338-7436). For more information on the OCI program, please see http://www.mha.nic.in/oci/oci-main.htm Santana Mendes --- On Thu, 7/2/09, elolgo . elo...@sify.com wrote: From: elolgo . elo...@sify.com Subject: Re: [Goanet] Definition of PIO (Person of Indian Origin) To: mende...@yahoo.com, Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 2:48 AM Add to that, Who is an OCI- Overseas Citizen of India? On 7/1/09, mende...@yahoo.com mende...@yahoo.com wrote: Been reading that some Goanet readers are not actually aware of the definition of PIO (Person of Indian Origin).. i.e. How does a white Brit get a PIO card? Because he married a Indian brown girl.. Could be that this girl was not even born in India but her Parents /Grand parents were Indian Citizens by virtue of the Constitution of India or the Citizenship Act, 1955. Please read the definition.. As per RBI website.. http://www.rbi.org.in/scripts/BS_CircularIndexDisplay.aspx?Id=5119 Definition of NRI/PIO NRI for this purpose is defined as a person resident outside India who is citizen of India. In terms of Regulation 2 FEMA Notification No.13 dated May 3, 2000, Non-Resident Indian (NRI) means a person resident outside India who is a citizen of India. Person of Indian Origin (PIO) means a citizen of any country other than Bangladesh or Pakistan who had (a) at any time held Indian passport or (b) he or either of his parents or any of his grandparents was a citizen of India by virtue of the Constitution of India or the Citizenship Act, 1955 or (c) the person is a spouse of an Indian citizen or a person referred to in (a) or (b). Santana Mendes
Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 20:44:35 -0700 (PDT) From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au I was able to purchase two properties in the UK without ever having been a UK national Mario observes: Doesn't this depend on the laws of each country? India has traditionally been ultra paranoid of foreign investment for reasons that escape me, because it prevents badly needed investment money flowing into the country. We are seeing this narrow minded attitude in some of the comments on Goanet. When foreigners invest in physical assets the country not only benefits from their money but also retains ultimate sovereignty over the assets. The more Brits and other foreigners who invest in India the better for India. What are they going to do, run away with the property? Don't they have a vested interest in enhancing it, for their own benefit? I live in the USA which has perspicaciously become an economic and military superpower by gladly using other people's brains and other people's money and every resident, whether citizen or not, is provided with all the considerable constitutional rights, other than the right to vote.
Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
2009/7/2 Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net India has traditionally been ultra paranoid of foreign investment for reasons that escape me, because it prevents badly needed investment money flowing into the country. We are seeing this narrow minded attitude in some of the comments on Goanet. True. Our best foreign direct investors, at one stage, were known as the East India Company. I live in the USA which has perspicaciously become an economic and military superpower by gladly using other people's brains and other people's money and every resident, whether citizen or not, is provided with all the considerable constitutional rights, other than the right to vote. Where do the Amerindians fit into the reality of this economic and military superpower? Whose brains and money did they use, and to what end? FN
[Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters
Thank you Antonio Menezas for reiterating my point of view that Goa was freed by the Indian Armed forces and not by our pseudo- freedom fighters of Goa. I wrote this a few days ago and I got a scathing letter from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro that it was our Goan Freedom Fighters that liberated Goa. Also like Antonio Menezes I would like to know the ages of these of these so called freedom fighters and blow by blow account of their heroics that ousted the Portuguese. Regards Ignatius Fernandes. _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] Talking Photo: One of my regular breakfast i tems – Koiloyo or Koilollio
Talking Photo: One of my regular breakfast items – Koiloyo or Koilollio Very rarely we bought pao or bread from the early morning ‘ponk-ponk poder’ or baker. Because we were quite happy with our regular breakfast menu : It was either Tupa Bakrio or Chopattio (singlr: Bakri/Chopatti) or Thick ‘Tandvam bakri’ (Ground rice paste with coconut) both side covered with leaves like ‘Bendde Panam or Endda Panam or Kelli Panam’ and baked on a tava or tovo Or Koilolli (Pl. Koilollio/yo) Today I have visited my old time friend’s house for an evening tea. And this is what I was offered- fresh and hot. And I ate not 1 or 2 or 3 but 4 Internally, my heart was in tears as the looks and the taste of ‘koilollio’ reminded me of my best friend – My mother http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk19/3681567855/sizes/l/ bon appétit joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Goa news for July 3, 2009
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Sesa Goa buys Dempo\'s mining - Wall Street Journal argest acquisition in India's iron ore industry, Sesa Goa, a subsidiary of London-listed Vedanta Resources, today acquired Goa-based Dempo ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://online.wsj.com/article/SB124477538725409047.html?mod=googlenews_wsjusg=AFQjCNGtdefbuUKZIJ6RGNoiLq1hOIrdCQ *** Bombay HC declines to quash chargesheet against Goa health minister - Indlaw.com urns-down-Vishwajits-plea/articleshow/4727094.cmsusg=AFQjCNHXdkBaVtMW8e8KzQpV22CPPxkWvgHC turns down Vishwajit's plea http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.indlawnews.com/newsdisplay.aspx?dcb21bbf-5643-4aa3-8de5-56765d22b218usg=AFQjCNGRatXuo7NNYFtzWm2AWaC7EXHS8A *** Mumbai boy, friends traced to Goa - Times of India ads-rebuke-teen-runs-off-to-Goa-with-pals/articleshow/4722121.cmsusg=AFQjCNG7RBjX45qRQJwP5Gm48cTZdiTpQQAfter dad's rebuke, teen runs off to Goa with pals http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Goa/Mumbai-boy-friends-traced-to-Goa/articleshow/4722065.cmsusg=AFQjCNGc-NN6yQN7Dax0Kn9GP0g-RmJrow *** Goa gets anti-ragging law - Times of India inding reports in ragging cases and makes the heads abettors in ... http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Goa-gets-anti-ragging-law/articleshow/4722448.cmsusg=AFQjCNEOkLsHGH3yJia0XXhCqC6jAvGHqg *** Is the Goa police equipped and prepared to defend the state in ... - Times of India kGrpOaD3vKJGzvwCan a committee check schools from charging exorbitant sums? http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://o3.indiatimes.com/mytimes/archive/2009/07/01/4969569.aspxusg=AFQjCNFptWuU2orOiv__pgR8rqkrGnZ5rg *** \'Timeless Moments\' At Park Hyatt Goa Resort and Spa - Oneindia Mand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://living.oneindia.in/cosmopolitan/cosmo-life/2009/park-hyatt-goa-resort-140509.htmlusg=AFQjCNFIwMZJ8leaqFqPCj3SkmxEOAKzDA *** GOA Applauds Call to Action on Judge Sotomayor from nra\'s Past ... - Examiner.com aminer.compeople no rights at all when it comes to state or city laws. She gave no explanation, and made no call for Supreme Court action. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.examiner.com/x-13542-Grand-Rapids-Hunting-Examiner~y2009m6d29-GOA-Applauds-Call-to-Action-on-Judge-Sotomayor-from-NRAs-Past-Presidentusg=AFQjCNHJXhEj1g-lkX5qUKq6eDwgYU4PJg *** Machines to sieve dirt from Goa\'s sand - Times of India aZsMbThPEBMand more » http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Machines-to-sieve-dirt-from-Goas-sand/articleshow/4722071.cmsusg=AFQjCNG0dRDY5ZhRbuEpgc3PBd74S8RTiA *** Goa looks at slag to drive road construction - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: The Goa State Pollution Control Board will coordinate with the Central Road Research Institute (CRRI), Delhi, to study the feasibility of using slag ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?fd=Rsa=Turl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/Cities/Goa/Goa-looks-at-slag-to-drive-road-construction/articleshow/4727096.cmsusg=AFQjCNFNPp1v9bHJ9PZ4RSM96Uci41rPOg *** BSNL launches WiMAX in Goa - TeleGeography wned Indian telco Bharat Sanchar Nigam Ltd (BSNL) has launched commercial WiMAX service in Goa, The Times of India reports. ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?email=htmlfd=Rsa=Turl=http://www.telegeography.com/cu/article.php?article_id=29087usg=AFQjCNFfrlDtZIXzSb0CDDhV3VwW1T__lA Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
[Goanet] Sonia sings - Bhurgeponn, Nentteponn ani Zantteponn
Sonia sings - Bhurgeponn, Nentteponn ani Zantteponn http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lilWyNpblYc Like father like daughter d/o Socoro de Sta. Cruz joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] Free Ireland.
Perhaps you live in Britain. If you do, I suggest you look up the story of the Irish armed fight for freedom or, for that matter, the American war of independence. When you are done, call the Palace and offer some condolences. ps. The Irish constitution does not accept the existence of Ulster on free Irish soil. eric. --- On Thu, 7/2/09, ignatius fernandes iggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk Thank you Antonio Menezas for reiterating my point of view that Goa was freed by the Indian Armed forces and not by our pseudo- freedom fighters of Goa. I wrote this a few days ago and I got a scathing letter from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro that it was our Goan Freedom Fighters that liberated Goa. _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] Report on the state of the printed Konkani language material in different institutional collections in the state of Goa
2005... a bit dated. Some changes in the contact persons. Yet... FN Report on the state of the printed Konkani language material in different institutional collections in the state of Goa This report has been prepared for the Council of South Asia Library Centres as part of the collaborative project on the preparation of a union catalogue of available South Asian printed material in different institutional and private collections and to make them available for public access online also to take steps to preserve such material in the future. The survey was only a preliminary exercise to locate the contact persons and understand the nature of the holdings in Konkani language materials in the institutional collections of Goa and to locate a potential collaborator from the state for coordinating the South Asia Union Catalogue (SAUC) programme from the state of Goa. The information was acquired within a short time frame from resource persons in academic institutions and the libraries. Though Konkani was declared as one of the Indian national languages only in 1987, from the historical evidence the origin of the language is rooted in 12th century. There have been controversies on the script. The first Bible was translated and published in Konkani language in 1808. The first noticeable thing is in spite of such a rich culture in the region, there are very few publications in Konkani from the region. As far as I assessed, not more than 3,500 titles can be located from the major institutional holding. Rather, Marathi language publication from the region is much richer than Konkani. During my visits to the several institutions I have discussed the SAUC programme with the concerned persons, and I received a st enthusiastic response from Goa University, both the Konkani language department and the Central library. Furnished below are the major holdings I have been able to locate during the short trip with many other commitments to Goa: Goa University Library: Strength: Total: 130,000 Konkani language material: 2,000 Marathi language material: 5,000 Serial titles: 300 Pre-1950 vernacular publication (break-up not available): 2,000 The University already added all the European language bibliographic records into an electronic database prepared by an outside vendor. The work of cataloguing was partly outsourced, and the cataloguing of vernacular materials is awaiting. The library is creating preliminary records in MARC21 structure so we may also consider incorporating the existing catalogue records depending on the quality of the records created. Contact persons: (At the Central Library): Dr. P.V. Kunnur, Chief Librarian Goa University Library, Taliego Plateau, Goa 403206 Phone: +91-832-2456031 (Work) +91-832-2451008 (Residence) +91-9422442533 (Cell) E-mail: pv_kon...@yahoo.com kon...@unigoa.ac.in Sm. Daya Mitragati, Senior Library Assistant Goa University Library, Taliego Plateau, Goa 403206 Phone: +91-832-2456031 (Work) E-mail: dayamitra1...@yahoo.co.uk At the Konkani language Department: Dr. Chandralekha D’Souza Kokani Language Department Goa University, Taliego Plateau, Goa 403206 Cell: +91-9823258550 Dr. Madhuri Sardesai Kokani Language Department Goa University, Taliego Plateau, Goa 403206 Cell: +91-9890204666 Thomas Stevens Konkani Kendr: B.B. Borkar Road Alto Porvorim Goa +91-832-2415857 / 2415864 E-mail: t...@sancharnet.in Library: Total strength: 12,000 (mostly contemporary, classification not available as the librarian was away) Mainly working as a research institute, currently working on lexicography and published a Konkani thesaurus. Contact persons: Pratap Naik, Director Preeta Naik, Librraian Matthew Almedia, S.J., Research Fellow State Central Library, Goa Panjim, Goa 403001 Tel# +91-832-2425730 / 2436327 E-mail: clp_pan...@yahoo.com Contact persons: Dr. Pia Rodrigues, Curator Ms. Maria Lourdes Bravo da Costa The library was established in 1832 as a depository library of colonial Goa. It started functioning as the State Central Library after the liberation of Goa in 1961 with the aid of the State Government. The library has the single largest holding in the entire province. Though within the fold of the state government, the library at present is not up to the mark in terms of preservation and infrastructure. Only recently they began the work of electronic cataloguing but the work stalled midway for some technical reason. The collection: Konkani language material: 3,500 Marathi language collection: 28,000 European language material: 50,000 (All the figures mentioned above are approximate figures only) Apart from these libraries, I visited the college libraries in Goa and one of the nations oldest municipal libraries in Mapusa. Several smaller libraries in both the districts need attention. Also the Konkani Bhasa Parishat in Panjim has a small but important collection. The Marathi collections
Re: [Goanet] Goanet] All system of medicine should work together Dr. Jindal Dean GMC, Bambolim
In this response let me focus on science, and not on how little some MBBS doctor or specialist knows, what some random psychiatrist does, or why Michael Jackson died. Let us stipulate that there are plenty of bad MBBS doctors, unreliable medical experts despite long strings of letters attached to their names, incompetent psychiatrists, and unscrupulous physicians and thoughtless celebrities who misuse drugs and abuse the human body. Let us also stipulate that humans are error-prone. So individual goof-ups and mishaps cannot be generalized to an entire discipline. Just because computers crash and bridges collapse one cannot conclude that computer engineering and civil engineering are not sciences. So the real question is whether or not medical science is a rational extension and application of mathematics, physics, chemistry and biology. There is no doubt that the answer to this question is yes. It is as much an extension of these natural sciences as engineering is. In fact, the relationship between medicine (and engineering) and natural sciences is the same as that between chemistry and physics, or between biology and chemistry. It is only a matter of degree of complexity. Scientific knowledge has a hierarchical structure with mathematics as its core and cognitive science as its outermost layer, with social sciences and economics floating in the clouds above it. The complexity of organization increases at each level. With greater complexity there is an expansion of the number of unknown variables or free parameters, and therefore a reduction in predictability. So simple Newtonian equations do not work beyond the level of elementary physics. Indeed, they break down at the very next step of what is known as the Three Body Problem - difficulty of predicting the behavior of three or more heavenly bodies (as opposed to two) in close proximity to each other. Another example relevant to chemistry, biology and medicine is: Even though we can completely know the primary structure (sequence of amino acids) of any given protein, and all the laws of interaction of the atoms that constitute it, we cannot predict its shape (i.e. its three dimensional structure) from that knowledge. For that we have to do an empirical study - x-ray crystallography. More pertinent to the present context is the following: There are scores of drugs whose structures, properties and molecular interactions within the body are understood in great detail. That is to say, we know the entire cascade of effects that they produce in the cells of a normal human being. Does that mean we can tell what they will do at any given dose in every single human being on planet earth? No! The reasons for this are: a) Normal human beings come in millions of different varieties because the human genome has more than 30,000 genes, with each gene occurring in many normal forms. In each normal human being, therefore, the drug finds itself in a slightly different environment, with varying effects on the cascade of molecular interactions triggered or blocked by the drug. For example, there might be normal human beings with a genetic variation that alters the capacity of a protein molecule to bind to that drug. b) There are millions of abnormal human beings with abnormal variation(s) in those 30,000 or more genes. The above should apply with much greater force to these folk. c) Human beings find themselves under different environmental conditions, such as different climates, food habits, addictions, behavioral practices, etc. Each such individual provides a different bodily environment for the drug. d) Human beings suffer from hundreds of different non-genetic diseases. Their bodies present a novel and unpredictable situation for the drug. Faced with this variability and unpredictability, the theoretical knowledge about the action of a drug under idealized conditions, and the mathematical equations that describe its molecular interactions, are of limited value. That is why at the very least we need to conduct multiple large-scale and long-term clinical trials. These trials give us a break down of percentages of different types of people that show different types of effects, the ranges of doses that are safe in them, and the range of doses that are effective. I will stop here and address the specific points below, referring when necessary to the facts stated above. --- On Wed, 7/1/09, samir_kele...@yahoo.com samir_kele...@yahoo.com wrote: Can you give percentages of each ? May be 1% are known and 99% are being investigated in which case what you are talking is pure baloney. The molecular targets and basic properties of 100% of the drugs are known. Investigations are being carried out on all these drugs to understand them in greater and greater details. For all practical purposes, science is a never-ending investigative enterprise. We will most likely never fully understand everything that
Re: [Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters
So on the dot Ignatius. It would be interesting to find out what happened during the transition, where were the people, what happened. I have not read any history/documentary accounts yet but did speak to some people. In talking to folks who lived on the front lines (that is around the airport, Dabolim), a slightly different picture emerges. There were no freedom fighters around (they were on the run and hiding): the Portuguese were on the run as well and were prepared. There was confusion and mistrust .There was some looting. Then there were blasts, and with uncertainty, fellow Goans opened their homes to other Goans, sometimes to Portuguese and hid them. There were families sheltered during the three day transition. There were some abandoned homes. Some people managed to get on to the last plane out of Dabolim, Lisbon-bound. My impressions from the conversations is, the Indians forced their way into Goa; they were not welcome and no one celebrated! There was no sigh of relief. The freedom fighters surfaced after it was announced Goa was undre Endia. But the question is: were they really free? Take a look around Goa of today!!!To my Goan mind, freedom is a four letter F word with three more for decorations. The impression one has from the two religious communities today is: the Catholics don't give a hoot to what happened then (it was fate, right) while the Hindoos it appears regret what happened. Surprisingly, they say Goa under Endia is horrible (speak to some old timers). Like another poster would argue, the change had little impact on our lives today. I doubt; it had a lasting impact. Our psyche is fashioned by the colonial rule, who were are culturally, socially: Latin! Waz talking to another bro from a P-colony during the recent Confederation Cup match between Brazil-US: he said we from the P-colonies have a different mind set, a different mental make up and it comes to the fore on the football field. When loosing, we panic for example: remember any old Brazil games. Ofcourse, most of Brazil play in Europe and play a different football today (so he thinks they fought back). Trust there were a few true freedom fighters who were really the intellectuals. They fashioned the thinking. The rest were hangers-on. In my view, the intellectuals mis-judged the Goan capacity for freedom. Its really a dirty word and it takes a certain maturity to be free. Unfortunately, freedom is not for us Goans. Apparently, there is another story of the changing of guard: it was a Malyalee who ordered the army into Goi while Nehru was opposed to using the army/force. Best regards from Carwar, the fish-curry capital of the world. (Note, before some history-reader b**r writes me, this is all oral hear-say/impression). On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 1:03 PM, ignatius fernandesiggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: Thank you Antonio Menezas for reiterating my point of view that Goa was freed by the Indian Armed forces and not by our pseudo- freedom fighters of Goa. I wrote this a few days ago and I got a scathing letter from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro that it was our Goan Freedom Fighters that liberated Goa. Also like Antonio Menezes I would like to know the ages of these of these so called freedom fighters and blow by blow account of their heroics that ousted the Portuguese. Regards Ignatius Fernandes.
Re: [Goanet] British citizens buying property in Goa
-Original Message- From: Mario Goveia I live in the USA which has perspicaciously become an economic and military superpower by gladly using other people's brains and other people's money and every resident, whether citizen or not, is provided with all the considerable constitutional rights, other than the right to vote. RESPONSE: (A)merican (I)nternational (G)reed comes to mind! Alongwith (G)overnment (M)otors. OhLehman Brothers, Bear Stearns, Morgan Stanley, CitiCorp, Goldman Sachs, BankAmits an extensive list [1]Mario is right.other people's (read present and future tax-payers') money was used to prop-up the legends of capitalism.vis-a-vis economic superpower. Dont be laughing at Mervyn. The Gold 'conspiracy' is alive and well!! Nevertheless, I do not see the connection with the sentiments of this thread - British citizens likely to lose their rights to properties purchased by them in Goa. - B Ref: [1] - http://bailout.uslaw.com/?page_id=353
Re: [Goanet] Talking Photo: One of my regular brea kfast items – Koiloyo or Koilollio
Is this the same as kailodyo. Does that word get it's derivation from kail meaning pan or frying pan? Roland. On Thu, Jul 2, 2009 at 2:47 PM, JoeGoaUkjoego...@yahoo.co.uk wrote: Talking Photo: One of my regular breakfast items – Koiloyo or Koilollio Very rarely we bought pao or bread from the early morning ‘ponk-ponk poder’ or baker. Because we were quite happy with our regular breakfast menu :
Re: [Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters
Dear Ignatius, Please reread my reply to you. You call it scathing; it was not meant to hurt your feelings, and if it did, please accept my apologies. But now you go further and misrepresent what I said. Where have I claimed that it was our freedom fighters that liberated Goa? Goan freedom fighters were active in and outside Goa for decades before the Indian Army finally moved in and chased the Portuguese out. May I point out, for the benefit of such individuals as believe that the world came to an end in 1961, that Goa had freedom fighters long before the term was even coined. My maternal grandfather, Hipolito Caetano PInto, was one such; and my mother's maternal uncle, the famous lawyer Mariano Vaz of Anjuna, was another. Both were hounded by the Portuguese in the 1890s for their nationalist views. In fact, they were accused of being complicit in the sepoy mutiny and Rane rebellion of 1895 and eventually had to flee to Bombay, in fear for their lives. You, and others like you, have great faith in the benign nature of Portuguese rule. Perhaps this is because you were born too late to have experienced its excesses. Some of us were not as lucky as you; our memories go back a very long way. Very best regards, Victor --- On Thu, 7/2/09, ignatius fernandes iggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk wrote: From: ignatius fernandes iggy.fernan...@hotmail.co.uk Subject: [Goanet] Goa's freedom fighters To: goanet@lists.goanet.org goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Thursday, July 2, 2009, 1:03 PM Thank you Antonio Menezas for reiterating my point of view that Goa was freed by the Indian Armed forces and not by our pseudo- freedom fighters of Goa. I wrote this a few days ago and I got a scathing letter from Victor Rangel-Ribeiro that it was our Goan Freedom Fighters that liberated Goa. Also like Antonio Menezes I would like to know the ages of these of these so called freedom fighters and blow by blow account of their heroics that ousted the Portuguese. Regards Ignatius Fernandes. _ Share your photos with Windows Live Photos – Free. http://clk.atdmt.com/UKM/go/134665338/direct/01/
[Goanet] Those were our childhood days in 70s
Those who were born in between 60s and 70s in Goa must be remembering their childhood in growing up in mid 70s. In those days we had no motor bikes or cars in our homes but travelling in the Camijao or tempo was a treat and Cycling was like a breath of fresh air. We had no electric fans but main door of our houses remained Open all the day and incoming breeze through windows was a pleasant feeling. When thirsty we only drank well water, bottled water and refrigerators was still a mystery. We were showing off how strong we are, by how high we could climb trees then jumping down. It was great fun plucking raw mangoes , plums and guvavas. We could stay out to play for hours, till the church bell rang for amori when we got back before dark, in time for dinner of rice and fish curry. We walked to and back from school with our friends for miles without our parents accompanying us. We had no mobile phones, but we always managed to find each other. We did not have Play Stations, Video games, 99 Cable TV channels, Computers, Chat-rooms, Internet, etc ... but enjoyed listening to M. Boyer, Lorna. C.Alvares. Alfred and Rita rose in Kandlam ovlam on Akashvani Panaji kendr. We played cricket with rubber ball, Football, Kabbadi, Kho Kho, Gulli danda (koynya bal in Konkani), marble, hide and seek and chat with our friends for hours at titto. We lost teeth, broke arms legs, we got cuts and bruises while playing on ground in paddy fields and bloody took us to hospital or doctor but were treated by our mother with home remedies . We ate everything in sight, pao, chocolates, ice fruits , locally made aerated soft drinks , yet we stayed slim because we never ate junk food like burgers and pizzas. We stole beedies or cigarettes from our father’s pockets and smoked in toilet for curiosity but we always respected our village elders. Are you from my generation? Then remember those days and it will help forget the stress that surrounds us every day these days.
[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (3Jul09)
*** Govt Notifies Anti-Ragging Act *** The Act should also be applied to our MLAs who have been Ragging Goans with their False Promises... To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org
[Goanet] Congratuations Gaspar Crasto -- Redesigning the Navhind Times
Dear Gaspar, Congratulations on your hard effort. Definately this is a great leap in the annals of the newspaper industry in Goa. Im glad you have got yourself associated in doing such a wonderful job. Rest assured, everytime we now see the new look Navhind Times, we will remember you fondly. God bless Cedric Da Costa Goa/Dubai
[Goanet] Reasons for hope --- my article in today's Herald
http://oheraldo.in/pagedetails.asp?nid=23960cid=14
Re: [Goanet] Goa's Freedom Fighters
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2009 16:15:09 -0400 From: J. Colaco jc cola...@gmail.com response to the voice of reason on GoaNet aka Missao Zalem: Bringing Mario back to his favourite topic - The Lancet, Volume 364, Issue 9448, Pages 1857-1864 available at http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140673604174412/fulltext Mario observes: Having confirmed that he was unable to understand the difference between democratic elections in Goa since 1961 and in 1961 and in 1962 we now see Jose jump to another topic that he understands even less. He chooses to regale us with a link to an ancient report in Lancet DATED OCTOBER 29, 2004, titled, Mortality before and after the 2003 invasion of Iraq: cluster sample survey The researchers who conducted this learned survey breathlessly report their findings that more people died after the invasion of Iraq than before. Brilliant. For example we learn, The risk of death was estimated to be 2·5-fold (95% CI 1·6—4·2) higher after the invasion when compared with the preinvasion period. Brilliant. And, The major causes of death before the invasion were myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accidents, and other chronic disorders whereas after the invasion violence was the primary cause of death. Brilliant. And, Violent deaths were widespread, reported in 15 of 33 clusters, and were mainly attributed to coalition forces. Most individuals reportedly killed by coalition forces were women and children. Oh no! Those coalition forces were homicidal maniacs when compared to the Saddam regime, targeting the same women and children they had come to liberate! This research study would be equivalent to a serious research study telling us that the risk of death in Hiroshima and Nagasaki increased ten-thousand-fold or more after they were nuked when compared with the prenuking period, and that most of the deaths were due to the citizens being torn apart by bomb fragments and collapsing debris and incineration and nuclear radiation and not by myocardial infarction, cerebrovascular accidents, and other chronic disorders. Or, a research study telling us that women's waistlines increase during pregnancy when compared to before they got pregnant, and that the increase was mainly attributed to the sperm donor and the pregnancy and not due to over-eating. The brilliant researchers from Lancet do not tell us who exactly was attributing the violent deaths to coalition forces, who were under strict orders to try and avoid civilian casualties and were prosecuted, tried and convicted if found to be targeting civilians. There were no such restrictions on Al Qaeda and the Sunni and Shia sectarian extremists who started attacking each other after the fall of the Saddam regime instead of joining forces to rebuild the country having been freed from brutal dictatorial oppression by the previous regime. The researchers also insinuate that coalition forces were targeting women and children, which tells us more about the personal anti-liberation political bias of the researchers than it does about the facts. Finally, deep within the report, we see the following disclaimer, Our results need further verification and should lead to changes to reduce non-combatant deaths from air strikes. Indeed. Somehow, no one told the brilliant and perspicacious researchers from Lancet that the coalition forces were actually engaged in trying to stop the violence that erupted after the fall of the Saddam regime. I hope their further verification ascertained that, but I'm not holding my breath. Finally, someone needs to inform Jose that those anti-liberation insurgents he sympathized with were unable to prevent Iraq from becoming a free and democratic republic, now engaged in solidifing their nascent democracy.
