Re: [Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers....
---fred wrote--- A couple of questions: (i) If we had a similar situation in Goa, involving migrant workers (non-Goan, in our case), what would be our stand? (ii) Could we expect any section in Goa to speak out for the underdogs? --- I don't know, but perhaps the following familiar passages will prove to be enlightening and inspiring. Mathew 22: 1 And Jesus answered and spoke to them again by parables and said: 2 “The kingdom of heaven is like a certain king who arranged a marriage for his son, 3 and sent out his servants to call those who were invited to the wedding; and they were not willing to come. 4 Again, he sent out other servants, saying, ‘Tell those who are invited, “See, I have prepared my dinner; my oxen and fatted cattle are killed, and all things are ready. Come to the wedding.”’ 5 But they made light of it and went their ways, one to his own farm, another to his business. 6 And the rest seized his servants, treated them spitefully, and killed them. 7 But when the king heard about it, he was furious. And he sent out his armies, destroyed those murderers, and burned up their city. 8 Then he said to his servants, ‘The wedding is ready, but those who were invited were not worthy. 9 Therefore go into the highways, and as many as you find, invite to the wedding.’ 10 So those servants went out into the highways and gathered together all whom they found, both bad and good. And the wedding hall was filled with guests. 11 “But when the king came in to see the guests, he saw a man there who did not have on a wedding garment. 12 So he said to him, ‘Friend, how did you come in here without a wedding garment?’ And he was speechless. 13 Then the king said to the servants, ‘Bind him hand and foot, take him away, and cast him into outer darkness; there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’ 14 “For many are called, but few are chosen.” ... 35 Then one of them, a lawyer, asked Him a question, testing Him, and saying, 36 “Teacher, which is the great commandment in the law?” 37 Jesus said to him, “‘You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, with all your soul, and with all your mind.’ 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like it: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’ 40 On these two commandments hang all the Law and the Prophets.” -- Albert Peres afpe...@3129.ca 416.660.0847 cell --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] From the Goanet page on Facebook...
Digubab, besides the airconditioned public toilet, what else have you achieved? And, by the way, did you find that mining portfolio? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=304174186312796set=a.143053672424849.30138.11606523290type=1ref=nf I repent, just vote for me. Mhoji chuk. Maundy Thursday and Good Friday you give holiday, plus Rs 1000 per month to fight Congress. Okay, you got my vote! http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=305023589561189set=a.143053672424849.30138.11606523290type=1ref=nf BJP seeking to ride the Kolaveri wave... Mat Tujez Kamlavari di http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eoqAHHdeFVofeature=player_embedded#! Frederick Noronha :: +91-9822122436 :: +91-832-2409490 --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Song for the day. (Gabe Menezes)
Thanks Gabe. A lot of us wait for the song for the day. Glad to know you are back in action. BTW it was great meeting you and Lily at Longuinhos in Margao. -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com ** --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Relgious Extremism in North Easteastern States of India (Santosh Helekar Ors)
Sandesh Anvekar sandeshanve...@gmail.com wrote: If chiristianity is indeed such a great religion of the world then what made Voltaire say “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world” Voltaire said it for the same reason that Brihaspati, the founder of the Lokayata philosophy said the following regarding Hinduism: QUOTE When once the body becomes ashes, how can it ever return again? If he who departs from the body goes to another world, how is it that he comes not back again, restless for love of his kindred? Hence it is only as a means of livelihood that Brahmans have established here all these ceremonies for the dead. There is no other fruit anywhere. The three authors of the Vedas were buffoons, knaves, and demons. All the well-known formulas of the pandits, jarphari, turphari, and all the obscene rites for the queen commanded in the Aswamedha, these were invented by buffoons, and so all the various kinds of presents to the priests, while the eating of flesh was similarly commanded by night-prowling demons. UNQUOTE ..Brihaspati, ~600 B.C.E. Both Voltaire and Brihaspati were rationalists and infidels. There is nothing wrong with criticizing religion and religious practices in a secular country, especially when they are harmful. Indeed, I believe it is very important to do such a thing. And by the way, animism is a neutral word that aptly describes the beliefs and rituals of many tribes throughout the world. I do not know who was the first to coin that word, but there is nothing negative about its usage. No church of any denomination is likely to be the first to use a word like that. It is more likely that the Sumerians, ancient Egyptians, ancient Greeks or ancient Indians might be the ones who did it, of course in their own language. Cheers, Santosh Sandesh Anvekar sandeshanve...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Goanet] Relgious Extremism in North Easteastern States of India (Santosh Helekar Ors) If chiristianity is indeed such a great religion of the world then what made Voltaire say “Christianity is the most ridiculous, the most absurd, and bloody religion that has ever infected the world” Any answers? Also I would like to understand the origin of the words Animism/Fetishism et al. It makes me feel that these originated in Church itself and probably it reflects the attitude of Church towards eastern religions. ~~Sandesh --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] BSNL launches Aakash tablet's rival
BSNL launches Aakash tablet's rival By Nilabh Jha, The Mobile Indian, New Delhi, February 24, 2012 It has also announced two more tablets. The three tablets are priced between Rs 3,250 to Rs 13,500. BSNL has launched three tablets including two 7 inch resistive screen based tabs with Android 2.3 operating system while the third tablet comes with an 8 inch capacitive touchscreen. Made by Noida based company - Pantel, the tablets will be sold with discounted data plans from BSNL. The three tablets are priced at Rs 3,250, Rs 10,999 and Rs 13,500. The cheapest model is Panta Tpad IS 701r which is priced at Rs 3,250. Notably, Aakash is priced at just Rs 2500. However, Tpad has better specification than the Datawind's low cost tablet. Panta Tpad is a WiFi only tablet with Android 2.3 operating system, it has a 1 GHz processor (ARM11 IMAP210) clubbed with 256 MB RAM. The tablet also offers HDMI port through which it can be connected to a TV. Its 7 inch resistive touch screen comes with 800x600 resolution and 16:9 aspect ratio. The tablet has a 3000 mAh battery and 2 GB internal memory which can be expanded through micro SD card. The tablet also has a VGA front facing camera for video calling. While Panta Tpad IS 701r has the BSNL branding, the other two tablets images do not have. The second tablet is named 'Panta Tpad_ws704c'. It has the same specification as its cheapest cousin (701r) but offers added 3G connectivity which supports both CDMA/EVDO and GSM, inbuilt A-GPS, Accelerometer and Bluetooth. It also comes with a 2 megapixel rear camera and also has bigger 512 MB RAM for faster performance. The costliest amongst the three is the Tpad WS802C which has an 8 inch capacitive screen. It comes with a faster 1.2 GHz processor and 512 MB RAM. The internal memory is also bigger at 4 GB. Rest of the features like GPS, camera and Bluetooth are same as the 704C. http://www.themobileindian.com/news/5405_BSNL-launches-Aakash-tablets-rival_full Goanet News Service www.goanet.org --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS
Today's Goa is a democratic banana republic. Christopher Hitchens defines a banana republic as follows: . in practice, a banana republic is a country operated as a commercial enterprise for http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_property private http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Profit_%28economics%29 profit, effected by the collusion between the State and favoured http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monopoly monopolies, whereby the profits derived from private exploitation of public lands is private property, and the debts incurred are public responsibility. Such an imbalanced http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy economy reduces the national http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Currency currency to devalued paper-money, hence, the country is ineligible for international development credit and remains limited by the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uneven_and_combined_development uneven economic development of town and country. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kleptocracy Kleptocracy, government by thieves, features influential government employees exploiting their posts for personal gain (embezzlement, fraud, bribery, etc.), with the resultant http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Government_budget_deficit deficit repaid by the native http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Working_class working people who earn money, rather than make money. Because of foreign (corporate) manipulation, the government is unaccountable to its nation, the country's private sector-public sector corruption operates the banana republic, thus, the national legislature usually are for sale, and function mostly as ceremonial government - a perfect fit with today's Goa. It is democratic because not only do the corrupt, charge-sheeted and in part semi-literate authorities get away with it but they keep getting reelected in fair and democratic elections. In two recent articles, journalists Unny in Indian Express and Vivek Menezes have both expressed great pessimism in the sense that nothing is expected to change after the coming March elections. Is this because the Goan voter puts his/her own personal and selfish interests (To mujem kam korta) above Goa's and does not care if Goa goes to the dogs? Or is it because he/she is just plain non-discerning? In any event, I believe Aires' list is a good start. If other Goanetters can complete the list as soon as possible, it will make it easier for those Goan voters who choose to vote with their conscience for the good of Goa to choose the right candidate. I endorse Aires' choice for Aldona. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Religious Extremism in the Northeastern States of India (Santosh Helekar Ors) ( Anvekar)
Gerry, Voltaire's advice I may not agree with what you say but I shall defend unto death your right to say it is for sober rational folk, not for zealous religio-political activists. Cheers, Santosh P.S. BTW, I have noticed that you are a proud Indian. So I am sure you do not agree with Arundati Roy, the Maoists, the secessionists, etc. on the leftist fringe, as well. Am I are right? - Original Message - From: Gerald Fernandes cdoger...@yahoo.co.in Dear Mr. Anvekar, If I recollect correctly the same Voltaire you wrongly or rightly quote said I MAY NOT AGREE WITH WHAT YOU SAY BUT I SHALL DEFEND UNTO DEATH YOUR RIGHT TO SAY IT Peace be with you.May the Divine illumine your mind as I believe that you too have a spark of the Divine, in as much as all of us have a spark of the Divine Intellect. I can only repeat the prayer of the ONE I believe in LORD FORGIVE THEM FOR THEY DO NOT KNOW WHAT THEY DO. LONG LIVE THE REPUBLIC OF INDIA, THAT IS BHARAT! MAY ALL HER CITIZENS EVER PROSPER! MAY IT NEVER EVER BE DISMEMBERED! ALSO MAY THE CITIZENS OF INDIA NEVER EVER DEMAND THAT PAKISTAN AND OR BANGLADESH BE REUNITED INTO INDIA THAT IS BHARAT ! MAY THE DREAM OF ASSASIN GODSE CONTINUE TO BE STILLBORN! MAY THE SAGACITY OF MAHATMA GANDHI DAWN UPON ALL CITIZENS OF INDIA! FEATHERS FLOAT HIGH.PEARLS LIE LOW! Warm regards, Gerald Fernandes Ex-Capt, The Indian Army. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Fwd: Song for the day.
Falling In Love With Love - The Supremeshttp://www.youtube.com/artist/The_Supremes?feature=watch_video_title http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0bXQJeHMgYU -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Fw: Rules for NRI in India
Rules for NRI in India -- AS RECEIVED NEW INDIAN RULES FOR TAXATION FROM APRIL/2012 An NRI is not considered as NRI if he comes to India for 60 days more in a year but will be taxed on his all the income the person has earned in the foreign county during the year. It does not matter whether the person has lived outside India for decades. This means from now on, if an NRI goes to India even for a few trips and that cumulates to over 60 days in the year, will be considered as a local citizen and will have to declare his foreign income and pay tax on it. Therefore, henceforth going to our own country, we will have to make sure that we go only in an emergency but not to meet relatives; neither for a social trip nor for long medical checkups NRIs should now have to get their children married in foreign countries and hold all the other celebrations with close relatives outside India . It is cheaper to buy tickets for close relatives to participate in our children’s weddings in foreign countries Important news for NRIs! Now that the Indian government does not require NRI’s foreign exchange, we will now become NOT REQUIRED INDIANS. Please forward this to all your NRI friends in your forward list. THE NEW CLAUSE Under clause 4 of the direct taxes code, which is to come into effect from 1st April 2012, the status of resident but not ordinarily resident, which is currently available under section 6 (6) of the income tax act of 1961, is sought to be removed. After the code comes into force, a person will become resident in India in any financial year if either of the following two conditions is fulfilled: · If he is in India for a period or periods repeat periods aggregating to 182 days or more in a financial year OR · If he is in India for 60 days or more in a financial year and has also been in India for 365 days or more within the four years immediately preceding that financial year. Therefore, a non resident Indian would become resident in India under the direct tax code if either of the aforesaid two conditions is fulfilled, and will be liable to tax in India on his world income. This would be notwithstanding the fact the he may be a person resident outside India under the provisions of the foreign exchange management act 1999. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Bindel *photos*
Some pictures of bindel or ko-kum wax used to wax the 'kail' when making chaapitis. http://www.flickr.com/photos/projectedgar/ --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Radio Mirchi brings in the Summer Heat with VESUVIUS winners of MIRCHI SOUND CHECK 2012
Radio Mirchi brings in the Summer Heat with VESUVIUS winners of MIRCHI SOUND CHECK 2012 Panjim, Feb 25: The second edition of Radio Mirchi Sound Check `For the Youth, By the Youth, For the Youth' in association with the American Center, Mumbai - Goa’s highly anticipated talent show was a grand success of Goan talent!! The event began with a huge bang on 23rd February 2012 at Hotel Fidalgo enthralling music lovers with a showcase of multi musicial genres as well as languages presented by some of the hottest young, Goan musical talent and performers. The judges panel comprised of distinguished personalities which included: Mukesh Ghatwal – accomplished music director composer, Sonia Shirsat – famed Fado singer, Varun Carvalho – singer VH1 artist Anne Grimes – Public Relations Office, American Centre, Mumbai. Day 1 of Feb 23 saw an Opening performance by the winners of last year’s Mirch Sound Check 2011 edition, “NOXIOUS IRE WITH SHALISHA” followed by competing performances from bands: Street Kingz, Vesuvius Glorious as well as solo vocalist presentations from Andre Dias Gracious Timothy. Each competitor was a specialist in their genre, musical ability, tonality and compositions displaying raw talent beyond their young years. Day 2 of Feb 24 of the Mirchi Sound Check saw even more audience footfalls. Band performances included: Gravity, Decibelz SamosaVegPatties as well as solo performers: Manas Ranjan Sahu, Thomas Augustine, Swapnil Salkar Divya Caculo with the Closing act by Beyond Eternity wowing audiences with original songs and sheer showmanship. Across both days, the crowd was treated to a number of original songs in English, Hindi Konkani. Judged imminently by the esteemed panel of judges, the Best Band of Mirchi Sound Check 2012 was VESUVIUS, Best Original Song (English) was won by STREET KINGZ, the Best Original Song (Other Language) was won by SWAPNIL SALKAR, Best Vocalist was won by TIMOTHY GRACIOUS while this year's special Judge’s Choice award was won by GLORIOUS. Winning band `Vesuvius' and Timothy Gracious will now feature at the forthcoming Daniel Pearl World Music Day Concert in October 2012. Mirchi Sound Check 2012 was presented by The American Centre, Mumbai in association with Hotel Fidalgo (Venue Partner), Casant Power (Sound Lights), Nirvana T-Shirts Shop2Carry (Gift Partners) and hosted by RJ Silroy and RJ Pankaj of Radio Mirchi 98.3FM. For more information on our upcoming events, log on to our website www.radiomirchi.com/goa or visit our Facebook page: “Radio Mirchi 98.3FM Goa”, or call: 0832-665. Stay tuned to RADIO MIRCHI 98.3FM – It’s Hot!!! Source: Ethel DaCosta Goanet A-C-E! Arts ~ Culture ~ Entertainment --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] PRESS RELEASE - Event: Battle of the Bands - Simply Unplugged - 2012
Don Bosco Past Pupils Association (DBPPA) Presents Battle of the Bands - Simply Unplugged - 2012. This is a high intensity competition among the music bands in Kuwait. The competition has been divided into 3 groups Sub-juniors / Juniors / Seniors. 8yrs and below - sub-juniors...2 song 9yrs to 16yrs - juniors2 songs 17yrs to 25yrs- seniors...2 songs The event will be held on Friday, April 27, 2012 at the IEAS Auditorium, Salmiya, Kuwait. A 'one of its kind' event where young and old can display their music skills. This is simply an exhibition of RAW TALENT.. This invitation is to all music lovers and groups in Kuwait - Unearth your talent in front of a magnificent crowd. Entries invited for the various groups. Please more info and confirmation, contact: aldr...@hotmail.commailto:aldr...@hotmail.com, gj-...@live.commailto:gj-...@live.com or skybran...@yahoo.commailto:skybran...@yahoo.com Last Date to submit entries: 15th March 2012. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Sale of second-hand books at Calangute...
Zarine dgahmedzar...@yahoo.in who is a young journalist colleague shared with this note: There is a sale going on there (Nicky's Books and More) till the end of May. Prices range from Rs. 30 to Rs. 100. Genre-thrillers, non-fiction (biographies), romance etc. Address-Nicky's Books and More, Palmland, Near Mira Hotel, Umta Vaddo, Calangute. Sundays open. Timings- 10.30am to 9.30pm. Mob- 9823290066 A little background: 'Nicky's Books and More' -- 'More' stands for silver and funky jewellery, but the shop mainly deals with books. We are from originally from Assam but my father was brought up in Shillong, Meghalaya, therefore Goa caught his fancy during his backpacking days. Both states have many many similarities. In 1989, we shifted home to Goa. Since dad is a voracious reader, he decided to open a second hand bookshop. We had a good response especially from foreign tourists who would pop in and buy a book to read while sunbathing on the beach. But like I said yesterday, we have decided to give away books at almost throw away prices because of Kindle and other reasons. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Another racket rears its head at GMC
This must be the umpteenth racket uncovered at GMC, Bambolim. The story starts thus. A lady I know is undergoing chemotherapy at GMC. At every visit, when it is time to administer the medication, she is 'advised' by the doctor to buy the medication from outside rather than use the hospital supply. Naturally every cancer patient wants to get better and thus spares no money. The issue here is that the GMC product costs Rs. 700/- (figure checked from tender documents) The 'outside' product which is identical in batch no, composition, formulation, etc costs Rs. 2, 000/- The excess money is, if speculation is proved correct, shared by the medical rep - a guy from one of the Eastern seaboard states of Andhra Pradesh or Orissa and the prescribing doctor. Cashing in on the fears and weaknesses of cancer patients? How mean and petty can DOCTORS get? Pottant fator zaum! -- ** Tony de Sa tonydesa at gmail dot com ** --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Religious Extremism in the Northeastern States of India (Santosh Helekar Ors) ( Anvekar)
On 28 February 2012 04:28, Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com wrote: Voltaire's advice I may not agree with what you say but I shall defend unto death your right to say it is for sober rational folk, not for zealous religio-political activists. This seems to be a faux-quote widely attributed to Voltaire. To resort to some cut-and-paste research: QUOTE The most oft-cited Voltaire quotation is apocryphal. He is incorrectly credited with writing, “I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it.” These were not his words, but rather those of Evelyn Beatrice Hall, written under the pseudonym S. G. Tallentyre in her 1906 biographical book The Friends of Voltaire. Hall intended to summarize in her own words Voltaire's attitude towards Claude Adrien Helvétius and his controversial book De l'esprit, but her first-person expression was mistaken for an actual quotation from Voltaire. Her interpretation does capture the spirit of Voltaire’s attitude towards Helvetius; it had been said Hall's summary was inspired by a quotation found in a 1770 Voltaire letter to an Abbot le Roche, in which he was reported to have said, “I detest what you write, but I would give my life to make it possible for you to continue to write.” Nevertheless, scholars believe there must have again been misinterpretation, as the letter does not seem to contain any such quote. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voltaire UNQUOTE FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Let us bring back the better days for Goa.
While we have the chance, let us be part of the turning point that will bring back the better days for Goa. A simple judgement on our part on the day of elections will make it happen. The performance of the present govt in Goa is for all to see. It will be interesting to refresh our memory and compare it with salient projects of the *BJP *govt that administered the state for 4 years in the last decade. Please read http://wegoans.blogspot.in/2004/12/when-goa-saw-better-days.html . We live and work in a state and not in a single constituency. Hence it is important to elect a govt that is capable of delivering effectively to the entire state. *BJP leadership in Goa has better vision* and this has been demonstrated in their short tenure. Let's bring them back with their alliance partner MGP with a clear majority so that Goa can be governed comfortably with stability for the next 5 years. Kindly *forward to all *your Goan friends or share on your facebook wall. With every small bit we do, we will help ourselves. We Goans team http://wegoans.blogspot.in --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS
A question to Aires or any Aldoncar or anyone else who could enlighten me: With regard to the five candidates for Aldona constituency: 54,10, Aldona, DAYANAND G. NARVEKAR, Indian National Congress, Male, 55,10, Aldona, JULIUS PEREIRA, Goa Su-raj Party, Male, 56,10, Aldona, RAVINDRA VASUDEV PANJIKAR, Independent, Male, 57,10, Aldona, TICLO GLENN J V A E SOUZA, Bharatiya Janata Party, Male, 58,10, Aldona, WILFRED D'SOUZA, All India Trinamool Congress, Male, What is their record with regard to the Calvim tragedy? What help or assistance have they provided/ are they providing to the affected families? What statements have they made? What are they doing with respect to the rumours of a cover-up? What are their plans to ensure that this kind of tragedy never ever occurs again? What are their plans re. a bridge linking Carona with Calvim? Would appreciate any information that anyone could provide. Thanks. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers....
Do you mean that Goans create slums in Britain? That they spit/defecate/sleep on park-benches/demolish old structures to build concrete jungles? From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 6:03 AM Subject: [Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers Hats off to a section of British society for supporting the rights of immigrants (Goans, in this case) living and working in their society: Video: We will win against racist bullies – Goan hospital strike http://union-news.co.uk/2012/02/video-we-will-win-against-racist-bullies-goan-hospital-strike/ A couple of questions: (i) If we had a similar situation in Goa, involving migrant workers (non-Goan, in our case), what would be our stand? (ii) Could we expect any section in Goa to speak out for the underdogs? FN -- FN +91-832-2409490 or +91-9822122436 f...@goa-india.org Books from Goa,1556 http://scr.bi/Goa1556Books Audio recordings (mostly from Goa): http://bit.ly/GoaRecordings --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Sunday's Herald report on the Calvim Tragedy
Copied from the O Heraldo website http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=2391boxid=41717328uid=dat=02/26/2012 --- The election fever has well and truly diverted attention from a tragedy that was completely avoidable. The bus which fell in to the river at Calvim claiming six lives, in all likelihood had an errant negligent 17 year old at the wheel who had no business to be there or even inside the driver’s cabin, where he was seen. Vibha Verma and Barnabe Sapeco discover the negligence and the cover up - It was not just a bus that drowned taking with it seven lives. The real truth about who caused the tragedy has not just been drowned but deliberately kept under because the truth could be very very uncomfortable, not just for the driver but in an indirect way even the Goa police. The lone survivor story has a casualty. The real story – Heralds investigations point to one absolute reality and a second strong possibility. The reality is that the survivor Samarth Shirodkar was in the driver’s cabin, against all rules, when the bus plunged into the water. The second storing possibility was that Samarth ( 17), a minor, was actually driving the bus. The wheels were handed over to him by the driver, since he was is pal, “ just for fun” and Samarth, who according to reports, spends more time glued to his mobile screen, was on the phone when the bus fell. And another glaring truth that stares the Goa police in the face is that the driver Yogesh has a brother who works for the Goa police and is currently posted as Driver Constable with the Motor Transport section. So, a cover up was not only possible, but needed, since if it can be proven that the bus was handed over to a 17 year old student, the driver’s complicity becomes very serious and could result in far reaching consequences. Less than a week after the tragedy, reports started appearing about a 17 year old survivor Samarth Shirodkar, who cropped up out of nowhere to let the world know he survived. The funny thing is that he was found on the very day of the tragedy, lying in the mud on the river bank. Samarth’s father, political activist Shivdas, said that his son literally struggled to get onto the shore when the bus skidded into the water. “ He managed to reach the shore and collapsed in the muck,” the father said, adding that the locals helped him to get out. “ Police had cordoned off the area. Samarth’s friend Nitin called another friend Manoj, who in turn informed me that my son alive and was lying in the muck,” he said, fumbling over his words. Shivdas added “ The police came to our house at about 9: 30– 10pm and called us to the police station,” he said, explaining that he was not aware who informed the police about his son being the only survivor. “ My son was in a state of shock. We could not take any step at that moment… there was huge rush. We told the police later,” he stated. The big point here is that the police came to Shivdas’s house , took Samarth to the police station and then to the homes of two girls who had got down from the bus on the same night. They returned with Samarth to the home of one of the girls the next morn- ing because they couldn’t meet her the previous night. So why did the police high- light this. When the ‘ survivor” was roaming around with the police for almost five days af - ter the incident, why was this not mentioned. Normally, sur- vivor details are revealed as soon as possible. Herald camped in Calvim and spoke to a cross section of people and has pieced together why it was prudent for the police to keep survivor Samarth’s real story dead. In- vestigations revealed that the lone survivor was sitting besides the driver in the cabin on the day. During visits to Aldona and St Thomas School complex, Herald reporters came across a 17- year- old vocational student, who gave details of what could have happened. “ Samarth would often sit in the cabin and play on his mobile phone,” he said requesting anonymity. Some of the people we spoke to in the area also confirmed that Samarth was a regular traveller on the ill fated Shree Ganesh bus and was close to Rajesh Naik alias Yogesh, who was supposedly driving the bus on that day. Some say that he was at some point of time behind the wheel, as he would often be, an indulgence permitted by his friend the driver, who is also the owner of the bus. Samarth was attempting to drive the bus. However, his father rubbishes the theory. “ He is not interested in four wheelers. He does not know to drive,” he said. However for a father who admits knowing little about his son’s whereabouts and his life ( he didn’t even know where he was headed to on the ill fated day), he may well be in the dark about his son’s “ driving skills”. The tragedy is that this seventeen year old, though not deliberately, could have played a far bigger role in the tragedy than just being a survivor who escaped. === There is obviously more to it than meets the eye.
Re: [Goanet] Let us bring back the better days for Goa.
We Goans wego...@gmail.com wrote: While we have the chance, let us be part of the turning point that will bring back the better days for Goa. A simple judgement on our part on the day of elections will make it happen. The performance of the present govt in Goa is for all to see. It will be interesting to refresh our memory and compare it with salient projects of the *BJP *govt that administered the state for 4 years in the last decade. COMMENT: At first, I thought that 'We Goans was planning to invite the Portuguese back especially as he/she was writing to goanet incognito. (Is that OK by GoaNet rules?) Then, I thought that We Goans was planning to invite 'Presidential Rule in Goa. That was the time when all and sundry was 'Better. But NO .. it appears that We Goans is advising Goans to vote the BJP-MGP combine back into power. It is possible that We Goans wants us to return to the GLORIOUS DAYS of a: The VideoCD b: Vandalization of Fontainhas c: Call for Katlicks to swadeshify d: Have more IFFIs e: Manhandle MLAs f: Forge signatures 'on Saturday'. g: Create more freedumb fighters (with previleges) h: Have more BJP (central) guests enjoying 5-ishtar luxury in Goa i: Destroy whatever is left of Konkani j:Take Goa back into Maharashtra (courtesy the MGP) Would it not be more honest just to state the following: Hey They made some poixe, Now it is our turn to make poixe (and beat up on Katlicks at the same time) Channa Chor Garam. jc PS: Thank you Gerard's BARATH. Thank you for nothing. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers....
The video clip was produced by Union News, the main national news sources of the UK trade union movement.. The editor, Tim Lezzard, appears in the video clip and he drew my attention to it because when he was researching the story he came across Goan Voice UK coverage of the dispute. We spoke yesterday about some of the aspects to the confrontation. It is indeed heartening that there has been official sympathy for the Goan strikers. The manager at the centre of the allegations has resigned. Another trade union, the powerful RMT, has backed the Goans. There have been many video and audio clips as well as hundreds of photographs and accounts in the national and regional press. Parallels are being drawn with the UK Grunwick dispute of the late 1970's http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grunwick_dispute when Asian women at a photo processing lab went on strike. One of the moving bullying allegations of the strikers is that they are not allowed to speak in Konkani in their break times. This is probably the first time outside India that Goan workers have taken industrial action as a group and there are photos and video clips as well as many press reports of their action, including the London demo. However, the support is not all one sided. The Swindon Advertiser has carried scores of comments from their readers, almost all condemning the Goans - Check out the comments to the links at http://bit.ly/wjgVyD Eddie Fernandes www.goanvoice.org.uk -Original Message- From: Frederick FN Noronha Hats off to a section of British society for supporting the rights of immigrants (Goans, in this case) living and working in their society: Video: We will win against racist bullies - Goan hospital strike http://union-news.co.uk/2012/02/video-we-will-win-against-racist-bullies-goa n-hospital-strike/ A couple of questions: (i) If we had a similar situation in Goa, involving migrant workers (non-Goan, in our case), what would be our stand? (ii) Could we expect any section in Goa to speak out for the underdogs? FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS
w.r.t. Julius Pereira [GRA-GSRP], Bernardo De Souza is informed thus:- 1. Record is that Julius Pereira was at the site of the accident and did not like what happened. 2. What help or assistance is expected from a candidate? Money?, Hugs?, Stay with them to console them and be a burden? All of these because he wants their votes?? 3. Statements that they have made is that this should not have happened. And something like this should not happen again. 4. You expect the candidate to go to the house or houses of the culprit/s and drag them out and beat them up? 5. Who has to clear the cover up? Is there no elected government to do that? Is there no Police in this state or the judiciary to take up this matter? The candidate is expected to run around naked to open up the covers? Just because he is the candidate and wants a few votes? 6. If elected and has any power, Julius Pereira will want to put in place not only the Calvim Bridge but also all the other bridges vis. the Chorao Bridge, the Divar Bridge ( which the Divarkars do not want), the DonaPaula/Vasco bridge, the Dona Paula Nerul Bridge, the Parallel bridge from Panjim to Betim jetty, the who works and bridges and fly-overs all ove Goa on a priority basis. Are you going to elect him?. 7. Hold the hands of every driver of a bus and teach him to drive. 8. First preference. Cheers floriano goasuraj 9890470896 - Original Message - From: Bernardo de Sousa bedeso...@gmx.ch To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, February 28, 2012 5:44 PM Subject: [Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS A question to Aires or any Aldoncar or anyone else who could enlighten me: With regard to the five candidates for Aldona constituency: 54,10, Aldona, DAYANAND G. NARVEKAR, Indian National Congress, Male, 55,10, Aldona, JULIUS PEREIRA, Goa Su-raj Party, Male, 56,10, Aldona, RAVINDRA VASUDEV PANJIKAR, Independent, Male, 57,10, Aldona, TICLO GLENN J V A E SOUZA, Bharatiya Janata Party, Male, 58,10, Aldona, WILFRED D'SOUZA, All India Trinamool Congress, Male, What is their record with regard to the Calvim tragedy? What help or assistance have they provided/ are they providing to the affected families? What statements have they made? What are they doing with respect to the rumours of a cover-up? What are their plans to ensure that this kind of tragedy never ever occurs again? What are their plans re. a bridge linking Carona with Calvim? Would appreciate any information that anyone could provide. Thanks. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Well Done People Of Velim
Well Done People Of Velim Only a fool would light fire around a gunpowder keg and later on try to retrieve it. Foolish it may sound but that’s exactly what the security services did at Velim on Sunday night. The IT raid on the Velim Parish Priest was condemned by one and all and people were aggrieved at the bias action of our Authorities. There was outrage from all quarters over the raid on the innocent Parish Priest when no action has been taken against the politicians who are pillars of corruption and scams. It is believed that the Shah Commission report has stated that Goans have lost over 2000 crores that could be have been used for the welfare of Goans, the CM as minister for mines should have been behind bar a long time ago. There are also reports that the Education Minister acquired over 26 crores by illegal means, he had even attacked the police HQ in Panjim. The MLA from Aldona who was involved in the ticket gate scam is still not convicted. The Home Minister and his son’s involvement in the drug trade in Goa, custodial deaths. Why are the perpetrators of the swords case still partying with the CM ? Why has no action been taken against these criminal politicians and why this harassment against a poor Parish Priest ? The present leader of the opposition was caught distributing controversial CD’s in his attempt to communalize Goan politics, no action was taken against him. Police say that four armed personnel accompanied two police to ask the Priest if the people of Velim would vote. How would a priest know that answer, why did they not ask the MLA ? And couldn’t they ask that over the telephone ? We Goan Catholics have become soft targets for harassment of every kind but then there is a limit to everything and the limit was crossed at Velim. If the police wanted to inquire about the elections why was it urgent to send armed personnel at night when there was a whole week before them ? It shows malafied intent on the part of the Authorities and political involvement. After the anger that was aroused by the IT raid on the Priest, what did the Authorities expect when they sent it armed personnel to the living quarters of the Parish Priest at night, red carpet welcome or flower garlands ? Were they fools not to anticipates the wrath of the people ? The Velim episode has shown, the amount of respect that our Authorities have for the minorities and the answer of the people of Velim could not have been any better. If the security services need us to respect them they should earn that respect and respect is not earned by hurting people’s feelings, especially religious sentiments. I sure hope the Authorities are not serious about booking a large number of people from Velim for attempted murder, as patience is running out and the gunpowder keg that was left around the fire may blow up in the face of the Authorities. Violence is surely not the solution but sometimes violence is the only answer for arrogance. Even Jesus used the whip to chase away those that desecrated the house of God and in Velim the Church premises were desecrated on two occasions. Well done people of Velim, Goan Catholics should not be use as soft targets and I only hope lessons are well learnt and such mistakes will not be repeated again. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS
Bernado, U should know, that a Bridge is not really the answer to avoid such tragedies. It is the overall effeciency and lack of experties with various agencies and trades and the RTO Goa etc. that tragedies like this take place. They look backwards to primitive times rather than looking forward and learning for the experience of already developed countries. Bridges also 'come down' any where in the world, more so in Goa with.bridges built after liberation. The Govt; of the day then was not thrown out and the MGP coolly went on, without suffering any electoral backlash because of it. They were finally demolished by other groupism and tactics of dislodging by smaller parties and new entrants into the fray. That is what is happenning now, and the stronger wind shall prevail. If U ask the candidates on their plans; they will answer to satisfy; but once elected they have to be in Govt. not opposition, to deliver and then too they must be capable and willing to shoulder the responsibility, and shake up the various players in the modern society.. Nascy Caldeira From: Bernardo de Sousa bedeso...@gmx.ch To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 11:14 PM Subject: [Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS A question to Aires or any Aldoncar or anyone else who could enlighten me: With regard to the five candidates for Aldona constituency: 54,10, Aldona, DAYANAND G. NARVEKAR, Indian National Congress, Male, 55,10, Aldona, JULIUS PEREIRA, Goa Su-raj Party, Male, 56,10, Aldona, RAVINDRA VASUDEV PANJIKAR, Independent, Male, 57,10, Aldona, TICLO GLENN J V A E SOUZA, Bharatiya Janata Party, Male, 58,10, Aldona, WILFRED D'SOUZA, All India Trinamool Congress, Male, What is their record with regard to the Calvim tragedy? What help or assistance have they provided/ are they providing to the affected families? What statements have they made? What are they doing with respect to the rumours of a cover-up? What are their plans to ensure that this kind of tragedy never ever occurs again? What are their plans re. a bridge linking Carona with Calvim? Would appreciate any information that anyone could provide. Thanks. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php --- --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Why I thought of Ponnje when I was in New Orleans, recently
To Goanet - JC wrote: After the final session, Ema and I walked from the hotel to the older sections of the city (we walked about 6 miles through the city). What was striking was HOW the city and its people continue to protect the old colonial French (Spanish) architecture, culture and heritage. It might interest Rajan Parrikar to note that NO financial deep pockets can just come and destroy the buildings or even modify them except within the specifications delineated by 'period architecture'. In contrast, what we see happening in amchem Goem is the wanton destruction of colonial architecture - and replacement by UGLY concrete. I can understand the ignorant folks and the rank bigots who want to pretend that Goa did not have or does not have Portuguese influence. But the chapels and churches of Goa and the property surrounding them? In conclusion: Old city areas of New Orleans = Ponnje or Margao IF the latter were neater, cleaner and not destroyed by ostriches and financial opportunists. JC-bab, I have very fond and pleasant memories of New Orleans from my many visits there in the early 1990s. I also had the privilege of being hosted a couple of times by Drs Kama and Lata Thaly in their home. Yes, I recall clearly the French Quarter evoking memories of Panjim. And the lovely ambience of live soft jazz wafting from the bars and restaurants (this was, after all, the birthplace of jazz), the quiet rides on the MIssissippi, and so on. Much of this model could have been adapted for Panjim Goa. There is no denying the positive influence of the Portuguese on Goa. I yield to no one in my denunciation of the wanton destruction, brutality and religious bigotry they wrought in their early years. And unlike Admin Noronha, I will never cite context to whitewash these early Portuguese atrocities against the Hindus. But it is equally true that the latter Portuguese mellowed a good deal. One could be cynical and say that once you have demoralized and subdued your adversaries it is easy to be generous, and so on. It is undeniable that the aspects of culture that are unique to or characteristic of Goa and Goans came out of the crucible provided by the Portuguese (whether they intended it or not is another question). Panjim, the most beautiful city (no longer, alas - thank you Indian for NOTHING) in the subcontinent in recent times, came to be so because of the Portuguese. Any Hindu, ghati or Goan, denying the obvious positives of the ex-colonialists should be laughed out of town. r --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] THE BJP IS NO ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS
Dear Bernardo, To fall into this trap of limiting the electoral debate in Aldona to the Calvim tragedy is disastrous. We should be interested to know if the candidates know the ideologies and history of their political party in the first place. Is Ticlo a Catholic or a communist? If Ticlo is a Catholic, then what has he to say about his party's treatment of his fellow christians and violation of human rights in other States? Secondly, what is their understanding of the Legislature and the socio-political situation in Goa? Will Goa's Assembly be reduced to debauchery and black belt politics? Soter D'souza Socorro, N. Goa 9890056616 --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Somehow I missed the Goa links of Sandra on first reading this story...
From: Frederick FN Noronha Subject: [Goanet] Somehow I missed the Goa links of Sandra on first reading this story... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandra_Samuel == FN, You obviously need to check Goan Voice UK: 1. Goan Voice UK: Newsletter. Mon 25 April, 2011 www.goanvoice.org.uk/printerfile.php?link=2011-04-25Sandra Samuel: The Nanny Who Saved Baby Moishe. 21 Apr: Open. Sandra Samuel is the Heroic Nanny of 26/11 Who Saved the Jewish Baby ... 2. Goan Voice UK: Newsletter. Mon 19 July, 2010 www.goanvoice.org.uk/printerfile.php?link=2010-07-19 Sandra Samuel, 46, a Christian from Goa, was looking after the two-year-old when Pakistani gunmen attacked the Jewish centre ... 267 words + ... 3. Goan Voice UK: Newsletter. Issue 2009-09. February. 26, 2009 www.goanvoice.org.uk/newsletter/2009/Feb/issue4/ 16 Feb 2009 - Moshe Holtzberg was snatched to safety by his nanny, Sandra Samuel, from under the noses of the gunmen who brought carnage to India last ... Eddie Fernandes www.goanvoice.org.uk --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] THE BJP IS NOT AN ALTERNATIVE TO CONGRESS @ Floriano
Such a defensive / aggressive answer from Floriano to my simple questions shows insecurity and is a sign of weakness. Additionally, it is a sign of weakness that the candidate does not answer himself but prefers to hold on to Floriano's coattails. I wish the candidate good luck! --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers
Frederick wrote A couple of questions: (i) If we had a similar situation in Goa, involving migrant workers (non-Goan, in our case), what would be our stand? (ii) Could we expect any section in Goa to speak out for the underdogs? FN Frederick, it may surprise you to know that when the Vasco fire occured it was not the Orissa goverment or the Karnataka government or even the Goa government that sent aid. It was Goan churches, schools and convents that opened their doors and halls to house all the fleeing migrant workers. These institutions run by ordinary Goans. Goans are not heartless people. Just at the British are not heartless. Taking up the cause of Goan workers in the UK does not prevent every British party having controlled migration as part of their manifestos. Migration is and will continue to be the largest single problem of our times because as Thomas Friedman has pointed out the sudden explosion in populations is unsustainable unless we have a break in some sort of technology which will relieve the pressure in terms of land and food production. Best, selma --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Racism, Britain, Goan expat workers
On 29 February 2012 00:53, Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com wrote: Frederick, it may surprise you to know that when the Vasco fire occured it was not the Orissa goverment or the Karnataka government or even the Goa government that sent aid. It was Goan churches, schools and convents that opened their doors and halls to house all the fleeing migrant workers. These institutions run by ordinary Goans. Selma, what is the Vasco fire you refer to? Some details please? FN --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Bollywood programe with Com Ambe, Com Seby..
Panjim Market Traders Association Satyanarayan Laxmi Puja http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk49/6939348787/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk49/6793234698/sizes/l/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk49/6939351521/sizes/l/in/photostream/ Bollywood programme with Com. Ambe and Com. Seby http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fh9wlet2OFw today 28th Feb. 2012, at Panjim Market joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
[Goanet] Ayurveda medicinal herb - Shatavari
Ever heard of Shatavari?? http://ayurveda-foryou.com/ayurveda_herb/shatavari.html --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
Re: [Goanet] Cop's night investigation at Velim Church
PIDE seems to live on, fifty years after the event ... From: Tony de Sa tonyde...@gmail.com To: Goa's Premiere Mailing List, Estd 1994 goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Tuesday, 28 February 2012 2:23 AM Subject: [Goanet] Cop's night investigation at Velim Church Finding out at around 9.00 p.m. whether the people of Velim would vote or not and that too from a catholic priest who had just been raided by income tax authorities sounds like intimidation to me. --- Protect Goa's natural beauty Support Goa's first Tiger Reserve Sign the petition at: http://www.goanet.org/petition/petition.php ---
