[Goanet] TOWN HALL MEETING - Toronto

[Mervyn Lobo]

TOWN HALL MEETING - TORONTO

GLOBAL PERSECUTION AND DISCRIMINATION AGAINST CHRISTIANS

KEYNOTE SPEAKER: FR. RAYMOND DE SOUZA,
CHAPLAIN, QUEENS UNIVERSITY AND NATIONAL POST CORRESPONDENT


VENUE:
ST. JOSEPH’S CHURCH HALL
5440 DURIE RD, MISSISSAUGA
REGISTRATION: $5 (INCLUDES SNACKS/REFRESHMENTS)


HON. JASON KENNEY MINISTER OF CITIZENSHIP, IMMIGRATION & MULTICULTURALISM
HAS BEEN INVITED TO PARTICIPATE


You are invited to a symposium and an information session on Global persecution 
and discrimination
against Christians: Promoting Religious Freedom Worldwide at 2:00 PM on 
September 30, 2012 at St.
Joseph's Church Hall, 5440 Durie Road, Mississauga L5M 2J5. This is your 
opportunity to know the facts
first hand, learn what is being done and suggest ways and means to make our 
world a better place.
This is your opportunity to be better informed on the above issues from our 
speakers and for providing your
support to help make this a better world for all.

Register today by calling any one of the people listed in the attached Flyer.
CONTACTS:

ERIC DE SOUZA (416) 626-7743
ETOBICOKE 


IVAN D’LIMA
TORONTO (647) 868-8878

ZULEMA DE SOUZA (905) 897-1408
MISSISSAUGA

DANNY FERNANDES (905) 813-9722
MISSISSAUGA

RUDY FERNANDES (905) 238-9167
MISSISSAUGA

PATSY FERNANDEZ (905) 683-8124
AJAX

CELLIE GONSALVES (905) 883-6115
RICHMOND HILL

AL MATHIAS (905) 848-8999
MISSISSAUGA

ANGELA MENEZES (905) 271-1737
MISSISSAUGA

DR. COLIN SALDANHA (905) 890-8183
MISSISSAUGA

An Invitation to a Symposium and information Session on Global persecution and 
discrimination against Christians

Promoting Religious Freedom Worldwide
There is a growing international awareness, concern and recognition about 
discrimination and persecution in
many countries against Christians, especially where they are in the minority. 
The international Community
has done little collectively to address this key issue in a focused and 
comprehensive manner.

However, the Canadian Government has recently created the Office of Religious 
Freedom based in Ottawa
in the Department of External Affairs for monitoring the international scene. 
This office has made strong
statements via the media condemning acts of violence and persecution of 
religious minorities, including the
persecution of Christians.

As individuals and Christians, we need to ask ourselves about our role in 
creating awareness and being
committed to the cause against these atrocities by:
1. Mobilizing our collective concerns and engaging with our politicians and 
decision makers in the process.
2. Expressing our concerns to other Governments, especially those where these 
atrocities are being committed.
3. Championing the cause of freedom of Religion as a human right for all people.
4. Supporting movements that help our Christian brethren to have their "voices 
heard" and enabling them to live a life free of persecution and fear.

Their lives should not be threatened merely because they are Christians. We 
must unequivocally express our
concerns to our politicians on this important issue.

We have a government in Canada that is supportive of Freedom of Religion and 
the right to practice one’s
faith. This is an inalienable right and a democratic principle that will make 
the world a better place. While
we cherish this right and privilege here at home, let us ensure that the rest 
of the world can enjoy this
freedom as well. This is an uphill task, but it is worthy of our resolve and 
effort.

Re: [Goanet] helmets for two

[Albert Peres]

Here is a simple solution. Buy your own helmet. You own a motorcycle -- 
you should have one.


Personal safety-equipment must be considered as being the part of the 
cost of running a particular piece of equipment.


If you don't think this kind of small purchase is one worth making, 
access the internet, visit the website youtube.com, search for and 
examine a number of motorcycle or scooter crashes. Closely observe the 
forces exerted victim head during an incident. Note the impacts. 
Calculate the damage.


Keep in mind, in addition to the 10,000's of accidents occur each day 
which are not recorded, the team at youtube restricts the display of 
accidents of a serious nature, of which there are many.


Here is my advice. All work involves risk. You have spent life to date 
developing your brain. Make the small investment to safe guard its future.


--
Albert Peres
afpe...@3129.ca
416.660.0847


[Goanet] helmets for two
--- Ana Maria Fernandes wrote ---

I often use pilot motorcycle when I cannot take my own. Imagine that 
when I sit on motorcyle taxi as pillon rider wearing a helmet which 
might have been used also by lamanins ? avois ghe maje mai .I will 
also have to carry a detol bottle and sprinkle on my head to prevent 
germs sitting in my hair. I wish our Sudhin bab give us a demonstration 
sitting on motor cycle taxi with a used helmet and let us know how it 
feels. Sudhin Bab and Parrikar move about with posh cars and so they can 
make rules for others. We are poor middle class working people and have 
to oblige our bosses and go where we are sent and use vehicles that we 
are told to take. My job makes me travel to Margao, Bicholim etc and I 
use bus service and then have to take a motorcycle pilot when it is 
required. But immagine me using a helmet full of worms and germs. Please 
sympathise with me . Misere cordea  		 	   		

Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act

[Alfred de Tavares]

Chacha comments:

I hold with JC. Taking down the reg. number...other minutiae of the offending 
vehicle, 
transgressors, should have been almost a reflex action...even though it meant, 
in lieu 
of opera glasses, to have countenanced the inconvenience of interrupting 
repast, and 
approaching the trans-riverine goings on, perhaps not, necessarily, with the 
Lancelotian 
derring-do friend Floriano vouchafes he would have employed but with less, 
pragmatic, 
panache

Quite the basics of civics' senseer whatgood Prof. Tony de Sa?

BTW what do you'll resort to in Moira when a glove is dropped such as our 
intrepid FL has so, 
ostenticiously done? Resort to swords or the mighty bannanas, in order to 
recoup honnour?

AdeT


> From: cola...@gmail.com
> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 22:56:07 -0400
> To: tonyd...@gmail.com; goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act
> 
> (1):
> 
> > FL wrote:
> > COWARDS !  How will the authorities check this out if this COWARD did not 
> > even take
> > down the Registration plate number of the vehicle?  Shame on  COWARD 
> > MOIDEKARS.
> 
> (2):
> 
> > TONY de Sa COMMENTED:
> > 
> > If the supremo can do so much, then why is Goa full of garbage? Why can't 
> > he get elected to the post of a panch or even the village dog catcher?
> 
> 
> jc's comment:
> 
> Tonybab makes a good point. Florianobab should try getting elected as a panch 
> (at least). 
> 
> That having been noted, Tony ducked the question on the table. From his own 
> account, Tony was witness to a serious illegality. What exactly did he do 
> besides writing to Goanet?
> 
> Did he, for instance, record the make of the vehicle, the colour, the 
> registration number and give it to the police, OR did he just continue eating 
> and drinking?
> 
> Moidecarponn i.e. abuse is welcome.
> 
> jc
  

[Goanet] (no subject)

[Cyprian Fernandes]

Who were your greatest East African Goans? By any yardstick: Sport, 
entrepreneurs, academics, politicians, religious, community leaders? Dr R. 
Ribeiro, Pio Gama Pinto, Fitz De Souza, Seraphino Antao, The Goudhinos, Tom 
Fernandes, Felix Pinto ...?  I am trying to write the stories of at leasttwo of 
them, others would also be filip. Help!  

In two or three decades, the once formidable East African
Goan will be but a dim memory in the minds of their current descendants. The
march of time will wipe them out of living time and relegate them to scraps of 
almost
photographs and written material fondly preserved amongst the family’s
memorabilia. Many of these wonderful people, a collection of the first group of
pioneer (late 1800s) accountants, book keepers,  clerks, civil servants and 
senior civil
servants, engineers, agriculturalists, journalists, tailors, carpenters, and
their children who went on to achieve even greater things than their humble
parents, have already passed on to the forgotten pages of history. As time
marches on, even more will join the lot of the forgotten.

Sadly there is no complete cumulative history of the East
African Goan for future generations to peruse and remember. There is no gift
from Goan academia, a concise history of the East African Goan, to appease and
hold forth strongly the memory in time immemorial. Instead, there are
worthwhile but minor individual efforts, written in the author’s limited but
valued perspective. We are watching our history vanish be our very own eyes and
we seem powerless to do anything about it. It may even be there is no will to
hang to the memories that made us what we are and generations that grew up as
the descendants of migrants in Europe, US, Canada, Australia and New Zealand
have no need to hang to the past.

Will they remember that there were two types of the East African
Goan tribe?  The migrants: those that
were forced to leave (thrown out, expelled), those that left of their own
choice, some out of bigotry, others out of pure racism, and yet others out of
small mindedness and complete lack of faith in human nature, and yet others who
saw no future for their children in a black ruled Africa?

And the other tribe, perhaps the greatest of the East
African Goans,  were those that stayed
and carved out a niche for themselves. These were the new pioneers who walked
the tightrope of politics that sometimes bordered on madness, where lives hung
by a thread and death was often at the whim of madmen (as in Idi Amin’s
Uganda). The early days of Kenyan politics was not a doddle either but somehow
the Goans managed to survive. No, not only survive but flourish.

Alongside Seraphino
Antao, Pio Gama Pinto, Dr Ribeiro, Fitz De Souza, I would consider Felix Pinto
and Tom Fernandes amongst the greatest of East African Goans.

  

[Goanet] Congress contra Wilfred Mesquita

[J. Colaco < jc>]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Congress-wantsNRI-commissioner-Wilfred-Mesquita-sacked/articleshow/16258631.cms
PANAJI: The Congress on Tuesday demanded that chief minister Manohar
Parrikar sack NRI commissioner Wilfred Mesquita as his name has
figured in the M L Pendse commission report. (TOI)

COMMENT:

I commend the Goa Congress for the above action. It is consistent, is
it not, with the Congress demand for action against Mr. Narvekar?

And credit to the BJP. They never sought to take Narvekar to task for
"ticketgate'. Ain't that a fact?

The irony, or perhaps not ... Mr Narvekar helped the BJP to pull a coup in 1999.

And what can one say about the Silencio Hacktiists on Goanet?

Nada Much, I'd say.

Hututu for them.

jc

Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act (Jose Colaco)

[Tony de Sa]

RDS !  How will the authorities check this out if this COWARD did not even
take
> down the Registration plate number of the vehicle?  Shame on  COWARD
MOIDEKARS.

(2):

> TONY de Sa COMMENTED:
>
> If the supremo can do so much, then why is Goa full of garbage? Why can't
he get elected to the post of a panch or even the village dog catcher?


jc's comment:

Tonybab makes a good point. Florianobab should try getting elected as a
panch (at least).

That having been noted, Tony ducked the question on the table. From his own
account, Tony was witness to a serious illegality. What exactly did he do
besides writing to Goanet?

Did he, for instance, record the make of the vehicle, the colour, the
registration number and give it to the police, OR did he just continue
eating and drinking?

Moidecarponn i.e. abuse is welcome.

Comment:

Dear Doc,

There are several reasons I can cite for not doing what you have suggested.
I will cite some of them.

1) It was raining heavily and visibility was poor.
2) The tail gate of the pick up was down.
3) There were six to seven thugs in the pickup plus driver. Did you
seriously expect us to have a confrontation with them at that hour of the
night? We are no kamikaze fighters. Incidentally one of my companions was
FLs relative who had recently been severely injured in an accident. Was he
also expected to go and pick up a fight with the miscreants.
4) The operation was a well rehearsed one. It was slam bang in and out,
5) I did not go to the police for reasons of my own - as I do not want to
be involved with litigation and police hassles. It is my choice and my
business.
6) I wrote to Goanet because I wanted people to be aware of what is going
on at the tar bridge.
7) The message has already reached the CM through my post via someone very
close to him. Just because I am not political and I don't spout political
propaganda does not mean I do not have inputs to the CM.
8) Being abusive on Goanet is cheap - just a matter of keying in a few
strokes and calling me a COWARD doesn't make me one. It only shows that
"educacao de casa" was sadly neglected in the case of the abuser. And this
is the man who wants to lead Goan Politics in the next election bah. Mervyn
Lobo rightly has pointed out when the man has no argument he attacks the
writer's person.
9) As far as I am concerned this is a CLOSED Chapter. I will not respond to
anymore mails on this topic. Though you  are free to have the last word.

All the best, Doc.

-- 

** "Tony de Sa" < tonydesa at gmail dot com > **

Re: [Goanet] helmets for two

[Alfred de Tavares]

Then, won't she...poor thinghave to lug it around, would'nt she, Manuel...
such a boring nuisance!
AdeT.



> From: duk...@bell.net
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Date: Wed, 5 Sep 2012 17:13:51 -0400
> Subject: [Goanet]  helmets  for two
> 
> 
> Ana Maria Fernandes writes:
> 
> I often use pilot motorcycle when I cannot take my own. Imagine that when I 
> sit on motorcycle taxi as pillon rider wearing a helmet which might have been 
> used also by lamanins ? avois ghe maje mai .I will also have to carry a 
> detol bottle and sprinkle on my head to prevent germs sitting in my hair. I 
> wish our Sudhin bab give us a demonstration sitting on motor cycle taxi with 
> a used helmet and let us know how it feels. Sudhin Bab and Parrikar move 
> about with posh cars and so they can make rules for others. We are poor 
> middle class working people and have to oblige our bosses and go where we are 
> sent and use vehicles that we are told to take. My job makes me travel to 
> Margao, Bicholim etc and I use bus service and then have to take a motorcycle 
> pilot when it is required. But immagine me using a helmet full of worms and 
> germs. Please sympathise with me . Misere cordea? 
> 
> My reply.
> Helmets have saved many lives throughout the world. It is mandatory in many 
> countries for people riding any type of two wheeled contraption, including 
> Bicycles to use helmets. It is for the safety of the Rider. I think it is a 
> wise decision and one which should be enforced.  Head injuries are the most 
> common fatality when one is involved in and accident. With the reputation 
> that India has of drivers and riders not adhering to the rules, I think it is 
> prudent to have such laws. If one has to frequently travel by pilot, wouldn't 
> it be prudent to own a helmet which one could use without having to worry 
> about Lamanins worms and germs? Consider the amount you would have to spend 
> for Detol each time and consider it an offset against the cost of the helmet.
> 
> Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares
  

[Goanet] Honouring our community lived & still living in East Africa.

[MD]

Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:16:11 +0200 (CEST)

From: Melvyn Fernandes 

Subject: [Goanet] Honouring our community - those that lived in and
are still living in East Africa (by Rose Fernandes)

Dear fellow goanet readers,

Like Phoenix rising from the ashes of hell and low water comes a faint
flicker of candlelight in Vivian's writing of his life in Tanzania
"those were the best days of
our lives, bar none".

I recall a prolific writer once wrote what her mother reminded her "today is a
sad day, don't worry my darling, something better will happen tomorrow".

To this prolific writer I have a message "sweet dodol, tomorrow is here".

Rose Fernandes
Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom
4 September 2012

Rose,

Seriously,

'To this prolific writer I have a message "sweet dodol, tomorrow is here".

Is this a 'slang' or pet name I like your flowery prose.

Maurice D

Re: [Goanet] SERAPHINO ANTAO.

[Eddie Fernandes]

One of the  friends in the photo is, I think, Martin Gonsalves who lives in
Sweden and attended the Antao funeral in London last year.  He is not on
email but he is a friend of Alfred Tavares .  Perhaps Alfred could check it
out.

Eddie 

-Original Message-
From: goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org
[mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of J. Colaco < jc>
Sent: 05 September 2012 13:42
To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!
Cc: joe...@excite.com; edward.fernan...@ucl.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [Goanet] SERAPHINO ANTAO.

On 5 September 2012 05:38, Fernandes, Edward 
wrote:

The picture shown on the Goan Voice UK site was taken during a holiday trip
to Goa in 1960, showing him, with two friends, standing next to a caminhao.

COMMENT:

1: Thank you Eddie, Goanvoice UK and the Antao family for releasing these
photographs.

2: I wonder, however, if the date in the above mentioned picture is
accurate.

3: I just get the feeling that it isn't.

4: Was this photograph taken at another time (in the 1960s but post 1962) ?

jc

[Goanet] ALEXYZ Daily Cartoon (6Sep12)

[alexyz fernandes]

 ~   Communidade de Goa  ~

"Most of their Lands have been Grabbed by the Govt, MLAs, Builders"

"Its should be renamed CommuniDead"


To enjoy the visual cartoon please visit: www.alexyztoons.com
Site sponsored by www.goasudharop.org 

Re: [Goanet] Honouring our community - those that lived in and are still living in East Africa (by Rose Fernandes)

[Alfred de Tavares]

I am flumoxed in toto: Pray who sends orth the post infra?
Mighty Melvyn or Sweet Rose?

Please de-flumox doddering Chacha...




> Date: Tue, 4 Sep 2012 14:16:11 +0200
> From: mel...@orange.net
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org; goa...@goanet.org
> CC: melvynfernan...@virginmedia.com
> Subject: [Goanet] Honouring our community - those that lived in and are still 
> living in East Africa (by Rose Fernandes)
> 
> Dear fellow goanet readers,
> 
> Like Phoenix rising from the ashes of hell and low water comes a faint 
> flicker of candlelight in Vivian's writing of his life in Tanzania "those 
> were the best days of 
> our lives, bar none".
> 
> I recall a prolific writer once wrote what her mother reminded her "today is 
> a sad day, don't worry my darling, something better will happen tomorrow".
> 
> To this prolific writer I have a message "sweet dodol, tomorrow is here". 
> 
> 
> Rose Fernandes
> Thornton Heath, Surrey, United Kingdom
> 
> 4 September 2012
  

Re: [Goanet] The Education of the Masaai

[Gabe Menezes]

On 4 September 2012 13:48, Mervyn & Elsie Maciel <
mervynels.watuwasha...@gmail.com> wrote:

> "Mapenzi yangu" translates as "My darling"
>
>
> Mervyn Maciel
>

RESPONSE: Mervyn is right - this is what I got Googling away:-


   1. *Meaning of
Mapenzi*
   www.meaningofnames.in ›
M
   *Mapenzi Mapenzi* is a name originated from african. *Meaning of Mapenzi* is
   " Swahili name *meaning* "beloved."" and is mostly used for female
   gender. Here are *...*
   2. QUESTION: Now what the heck is going on? Love on the North shore of
   Toronto?


-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Goa news for September 6, 2012

[Goanet News Service]

Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org
Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories.

*** Mining dumps in Goa the next Congress-BJP battleground?
(With Image) - New York Daily News
all 700 million tonnes of it. With technology now available to
extract low grade ore from the waste, these mountain-like heaps
have emerged as the next battleground between the Bharatiya ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGWjjSWsEB6Cp7GgpYPMMp-0Pk9EQ&url=http://india.nydailynews.com/politicsarticle/4186d457d56f34d16cd051ba7d369cc7/mining-dumps-in-goa-the-next-congress-bjp-battleground-with-image

*** IndiGo set to fly to Goa Mumbai, Ahmedabad, from September
10 - Indian Express
onnects-chandigarh-to-mumbai-goa-ahmedabad/1058803.html">IndiGo
connects Chandigarh to Mumbai, Goa, Ahmedabad
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFuyixTFtrCFkt3gBcmmkSV9Ldcpw&url=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/indigo-set-to-fly-to-goa-mumbai-ahmedabad-from-september-10/998482/

*** Goa raid: 5 arrested for running flesh trade; 4 girls
rescued - Indian Express
OP-goa-flesh-trade-racket-running-in-massage-parlour-busted-5-arrested-3744392-NOR.html">Goa:
Flesh trade racket running in massage parlour busted, 5 arrested
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNHaIs8j-rUu70BOvzb8CM1SUUR6AQ&url=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/goa-raid-5-arrested-for-running-flesh-trade;-4-girls-rescued/998145/

*** Teacher booked for molestation, NGO cries foul - Times of
India
ear-old school girl from Shiroda in Ponda on Wednesday afternoon
for allegedly outraging her modesty, the Ponda police booked a
teacher from a reputed high school from Shiroda. The police have
registered ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGAbIjOPy9AfpRRZdlAAVVQEF6x6A&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Teacher-booked-for-molestation-NGO-cries-foul/articleshow/16273787.cms

*** Outpartying late night, Goa girls run into 'lewd' cops -
Indian Express
 Gaurish Matonkar and Gajanan Chari -- attached to the police
control van were ...
http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFTCoI_Tzn-FLgiSIkh6dzCEvqrmg&url=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/outpartying-late-night-goa-girls-run-into-lewd-cops/998104/

*** Danger: Goa's roads ahead - Times of India
alangute road near the Shantadurga temple at Ximer are
subjecting motorists to bumpy rides. Questions are being raised
since the road at that particular stretch had been re-laid soon
after the ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGV1-DB79rl7KRGjxSViHbWzTD56g&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Danger-Goas-roads-ahead/articleshow/16273841.cms

*** Sesa, Fomento fight over mine - Times of India
esa Goa mines and Fomento Resources, over a 66.56 hectares
mining site has led Bicholim deputy collector Narayan Gad to
direct the two companies to maintain status quo at Gurmolem
...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNGBAflh7Wulnb4Vo4TMFS3ngFg6fw&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Sesa-Fomento-fight-over-mine/articleshow/16273933.cms

*** Enjoy Sparking Holidays in Goa - JustLuxe.com
stLuxe.comLying in the western tip of India, Goa is an exiting
tourist spot mainly renowned for its fantastic beaches. It is
truly a lovely place where tourists get fascinated with its
wonderful glimpses of natural scenery. Also, one can get oceanic
environment ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFClxMPAWIIK_aTwLMhLgsq4ZJJUA&url=http://www.justluxe.com/community/enjoy-sparking-holidays-in-goa_a_1820993.php

*** MMC plans to build skywalk in Margao - Times of India
f-the-art skywalk system with moving walkways connecting the KTC
bus stand to the municipality square, a distance of almost
2km.http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNFB6j-Tszbk63nShQeJF_BUo1s27g&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/MMC-plans-to-build-skywalk-in-Margao/articleshow/16273795.cms

*** Teaching, a woman-dominated job in Goa - Times of India
mes of IndiaPANAJI: Goa is among the top three states nationally
to have the highest percentage of female teachers at over 77%.
The state's figure is only second to Chandigarh's 82% and is as
good as the ratio in Tamil Nadu. The Union human resource
development ...http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=t&fd=R&usg=AFQjCNEgKDm2mSxYVnYbg9nQijQTRNtWww&url=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Teaching-a-woman-dominated-job-in-Goa/articleshow/16258547.cms


Compiled by Goanet News Service
http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php

[Goanet] Strong GBP, weak INR and my 200K windfall

[JoeGoaUk]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra3/6674751727/sizes/z/in/photostream/

Strong GBP, weak INR and my 200K windfall

I was waiting for this, I needed money too.
My FCNR was earning an interest of Just 2.59% for one complete year and 0%
 for less than a year.

GBP was equal to around Max. INR 84 and soon it plunged to lowest 70 

It was rising slowly over the months but last few days it was rising 
sharply,yesterday 4th Sept 2012 it was trading around 88.40
Which made me to grab the opportunity and convert my last remaining 
foreign earned money. 

Axis offered me @87.99 where as HDFC offered @87.41 same day.
And the good news is, yesterday, I was richer by 200K (taking
84 as base rate which was prevailing at the time of opening FCNR a/c)

And the bad news is..
I lost about 25K as today’s rates further shot up to Max.89.05 
which means bank exchange rate would be around 88.55

It could have been other way round i.e. losing 25K if the
rate came down from 88.40 to say 87.90.  It’s all about market risks.


My windfall reminds me a typical tiatr dialogue..

Deva, kiteak tum asloleank hansoitai ani nasloleank roddoitai?

Money, money, money
Must be funny, in the rich man's world (abba).

Note: a sizable amount of the windfall will go for 65th birthday 
celebrations fund next month
Keep you date/diary free, just incase you are invited

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoaukextra2/4824225137/

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] Meet Fr. Domnic of Kuwait Church

[JoeGoaUk]

Mapusa born priest Fr.Dominic Santamaria
in Kuwait Church since 1973

714+ weddings,18,270+ masses, 7600+ Baptism.

Want to contact him on his cell? Don’t bother, he hasn’t got one.

A mobile was gifted to him on his birthday but he refused..
(see lyrics in the end)

A priest with simple life with no desire for worldly things 
(something which is rarely seen now a day)

I have not seen the priest nor I ever been to Kuwait but the priest 
somehow reminds me of priests of my time 60/70s.

I like the song so much that I ended up pirating a part of song clip 
(about 1.5 min) purely in good faith and with no malicious intentions. 
Hope the owner/producer don't mind.

Meet Fr. Domnic here
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw6SCS5Ru7k

the VCD in which a trio (song) is sung dedicated to the priest.
Sung by Cajetan de Sanvordem, Michael d' Silva and Mario de Majorda

Pic
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr14/7923746744/

The song (Lyrics / part)
Kuwait Igorjent, asa ek diamond-achem tik
Tem tik dusrem konn nhui, toch to Fr. Domnic

38 (39) vorsam porzollta, zaum uzvaddacho divo
Disui bhor Igorjent to asta, angak lob galun to dovo
Tegui Salam tuka martanv, Father astona tum jivo

Sado jieta, Sounsari vostu tuka naka
Kiteim dilear passun gheina, kosli-i vost dit tor taka
Ek mobile, birthday-ak present dil’lo tuka
Tovui portun tuvem dilo, munnon kiteak to maka

in VCD ATANCHIM KAZARAM by Michael D'Silva
Producer: Rodrigues de Benaulim

VCD Cover
http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr14/7900845544/

VCD has 8 more songs and 4 comedy skits
by Com Ambe, Com Ben Evangelisto, Com Michael.
Songs by Sylvester Vaz, Irene Vaz, Gracy Morais, 
Cajetan de Sanvordem, Michael D'Silva, Mario de Majorda

joego...@yahoo.co.uk 

for Goa & NRI related info... 
http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/

For Goan Video Clips 
http://youtube.com/joeukgoa

In Goa, Dial  1 0 8 
For Hospital, Police, Fire etc

[Goanet] Garbage In Socorro

[Roland Francis]

Let's see the power of the press in Goa.

Today's Heraldo shows a pic of a pile of likely biogradeable garbage (the
smelly type), being dumped plumb in front of a board expressly warning
against it.

I don't know if anyone in local (panchayat) or state govt has a section
that keeps tabs on press items as they should.

No wonder Vivian longs for those Tanzanian days...
Vote Suraj Vivian notwithstanding Tony DeSa and you'll be happy where you
are.

Roland.
Toronto.

[Goanet] Is this treason?

[Frederick Noronha]

http://kractivist.wordpress.com/2012/09/04/indian-cartoonist-aseem-trivedi/

Re: [Goanet] helmets for two

[Frederick FN Noronha फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या *فريدريك نورونيا]

On 5 September 2012 20:44, Ana Maria Fernandes wrote:

> I often use pilot motorcycle when I cannot take my own. Imagine that when
> I sit on motorcyle taxi as pillon rider wearing a helmet which might have
> been used also by lamanins ? avois ghe maje mai 
>

Just after finishing college, before getting into a job, I was volunteering
to teach at a "slum school" in Mapusa. It was hosted by Britto's, and was
encouraged by the late principal, Fr Anil Soares SJ (a son of the prominent
educationist from Aldona, whose statue today stands at the central point of
the village).

What shocked me was to find how neat and clean and well-oiled the lamanis
would turn-out their kids before sending them with us to school. That gave
me such a complex, that I've never been able to get out of my bad old
scruffy ways!

This was around 1983, and their parents were construction workers. Perhaps
the built the very same buildings which the middle class live in, around
Mapusa. They then itself wanted their kids to learn English. I hope they've
grown into good citizens leading a good life, the kind you and me aspire to.

If this story has a moral, it's that we need to learn to get out of our
stereotypes. FN

[Goanet] Catholic nun speaking tonight at Democratic party convention

[George Pinto]

She is courageous, and has rightly taken on the Vatican and speaks her mind.

See 
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2012/09/05/catholic-nun-brings-her-star-power-to-dnc/?hpt=hp_c2

[Goanet] helmets for two

[manuel tavares]

Ana Maria Fernandes writes:

I often use pilot motorcycle when I cannot take my own. Imagine that when I sit 
on motorcycle taxi as pillon rider wearing a helmet which might have been used 
also by lamanins ? avois ghe maje mai .I will also have to carry a detol 
bottle and sprinkle on my head to prevent germs sitting in my hair. I wish our 
Sudhin bab give us a demonstration sitting on motor cycle taxi with a used 
helmet and let us know how it feels. Sudhin Bab and Parrikar move about with 
posh cars and so they can make rules for others. We are poor middle class 
working people and have to oblige our bosses and go where we are sent and use 
vehicles that we are told to take. My job makes me travel to Margao, Bicholim 
etc and I use bus service and then have to take a motorcycle pilot when it is 
required. But immagine me using a helmet full of worms and germs. Please 
sympathise with me . Misere cordea? 

My reply.
Helmets have saved many lives throughout the world. It is mandatory in many 
countries for people riding any type of two wheeled contraption, including 
Bicycles to use helmets. It is for the safety of the Rider. I think it is a 
wise decision and one which should be enforced.  Head injuries are the most 
common fatality when one is involved in and accident. With the reputation that 
India has of drivers and riders not adhering to the rules, I think it is 
prudent to have such laws. If one has to frequently travel by pilot, wouldn't 
it be prudent to own a helmet which one could use without having to worry about 
Lamanins worms and germs? Consider the amount you would have to spend for Detol 
each time and consider it an offset against the cost of the helmet.

Manuel ( Eddie) Tavares

[Goanet] P.C.Trust Teacher awards

[Nelson Lopes]

Nelson Lopes

P.C.Trust Presents Teacher awards
The annual Teachers awards for 2012 are bestowed on the Teachers, on
TEACHERS` DAY 5/9/2012 of Assumpta Convent High school , Sarzora Chinchinim.
Ms Filomena Cabral, Sec, Sec.,receives Rs 9000= in the following
Prof. C.A.Gomes. memorial award by Eng. A.X.E.Gomes and fly. 2.Prof.
Constance D`Costa memorial awards( 2) by Lelly D`Costa& sons, 2(b)also by
-Rajesh/Vilda/Druv Timblo. 4- by Nelson/Leena Lopes & Fidelis/Aruna Pereira

B-Ms Martha Rodrigues, Primary ,receives Rs.4000= in honour of MR&Mrs
Anthony Philip de Mello and late Mina de Mello, by Peter Mariano A
Fernandes and Ms Margaret Maura Clamy Fernandes

C- Ms Hazel Fernandes, Pre Primary, receives Rs 2600= in memory of
Dominguito Jordao de Almeida by Vivian/Rhoda de Almeida

The awards are presented annually by rotation . The Trust appreciates,
recognises and encourages their dedicated services
Nelson Lopes

Re: [Goanet] In Memoriam: SERAPHINO ANTAO. Died September 6th 2011

[Roland.francis]

Excellent pics of a young Seraphino and of another generation

Roland.
Toronto"Fernandes, Edward"  wrote:To mark the First 
anniversary of the death of Seraphino Antao, his family has released the first 
batch of his collection of photographs, many bearing his captions. The picture 
shown on the Goan Voice UK site was taken during a holiday trip to Goa in 1960, 
showing him, with two friends, standing next to a caminhao. 

To view the 60 photographs  in this set,  go to http://sdrv.ms/PTmvCK 
To view them as a slideshow, go to http://sdrv.ms/PYxvhZ   
Comments to his brother, Joe Antao, joe...@excite.com  

For a Wikipedia profile of Seraphino Antao go to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphino_Antao 

[Goanet] helmets for two

[Ana Maria Fernandes]

I often use pilot motorcycle when I cannot take my own. Imagine that when I sit 
on motorcyle taxi as pillon rider wearing a helmet which might have been used 
also by lamanins ? avois ghe maje mai .I will also have to carry a detol 
bottle and sprinkle on my head to prevent germs sitting in my hair. I wish our 
Sudhin bab give us a demonstration sitting on motor cycle taxi with a used 
helmet and let us know how it feels. Sudhin Bab and Parrikar move about with 
posh cars and so they can make rules for others. We are poor middle class 
working people and have to oblige our bosses and go where we are sent and use 
vehicles that we are told to take. My job makes me travel to Margao, Bicholim 
etc and I use bus service and then have to take a motorcycle pilot when it is 
required. But immagine me using a helmet full of worms and germs. Please 
sympathise with me . Misere cordea 

Re: [Goanet] Honouring those who lived and are still living in East Africa

[Roland Francis]

Dear Vivian,
 
To this date I have not understood clearly what were the real factors that
made living in Africa a sweet dream for Goans to the extent that they fondly
yearn for it 40 years later. OK not all East Africans, but many who write on
Goanet in the vein like you did. Mind you I am not asking this question with
any ulterior motive. Plain analytic curiosity.
 
You could avoid an answer by thinking "for those who get it no explanation
is required and for those who don't, none is necessary." Count me as one who
doesn't get it but wants to. 
 
What I get is:

The country was beautiful
The Goans were good to live with (mostly).
You had reasonable, safe undemanding (for the most part) jobs that allowed
you to live happily locally.
It left you time for song, dance and sport.
 
Of course you didn't get to see the world.
You had to take whatever was dished out job-wise.
You missed home at least initially.
Having to be with other Goans you had no privacy.
Your quitting there was not always in the best circumstances.
 
I have read Mervyn Maciel, Braz Menezes and other non-Goan authors and I get
a good picture that supplemented person to person descriptions from friends
and relatives of life there. But I don't get what made it really unusual
from any other experience that other Goans living elsewhere had. Goans in
small towns in India living in palatial quarters and working in the Railways
or the Armed Forces had great lives and so did many Goans in middle east
countries where money made all else possible. What I do see is that in
Africa Brit and African employers had to be mollified and one's
personalities suppressed, I do see some nastiness of the caste system that
had to be ignored and I do see the resentment of Africans who in the final
analysis saw Indians as neither Portuguese, British or Indians and thus easy
pickings.
 
You have a much better life now, with money in Goa or with or without too
much of it in the western world. Sure you have other factors in play that
makes the sum total of all your experiences a trade-off. You have things now
you didn't have then and vice versa. So if you are remembering your time in
Africa as one phase of your life, I unhesitatingly grant that to you. But if
you tell me that was the best experience you could have ever, I have many
reservations.
 
Again, if it is your personal experience with Africans you are talking
about, I grant that to you. Not everybody had that. Perhaps Goans were to
blame as much as they. For when they could have treated the African well and
kindly, they didn't.
 
So please tell me what I am not seeing.
 
Roland.
Toronto.
PS When I say "you" it is generic.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
Vivian Socorrocar wrote:
Regarding those of us who lived in East Africa...my wife and I have
nothing but the fondest memories of our lives in Tanzania, the land of our
birth, where we were educated, got married and had two of our children.  
 
We did not have much money, and we lived in relatively cramped quarters, but
those were the best days of our lives, bar none.  We have lived in other
countries since leaving Tanzania, earned much more money, lived in much
bigger homes in relative luxury.  Yet nothing can compare with the life we
had in Tanzania.  Every single ex-Tanzanian I have talked to, has expressed
the same sentiments.  The Goan Tanzanian spirit is celebrated in style in
Toronto which hosts the annual Tanzanite picnic and the Grand Tanzanite
Ball.
While I speak about Tanzania, I am sure the same holds true for Goans who
lived in Kenya and Uganda  In fact Goanetters Merwyn Maciel and Braz Menezes
have penned books that reflects their love for the people and the lives that
they lived in Kenya.
 
While there still are quite a few Goans mostly in Kenya and Tanzania, those
of us who left those countries, had no alternative, because of the
Africanization of the positions we held mostly in Government service.  We
were not bitter, because in my opinion, it was only just that the
indigenious people of those countries were given the opportunity to govern
themselves. It was time for us to move on and seek greener pastures.
 
I continue to have the greatest respect for the Africans.  Having visited
Tanzania twice since migrating out of there,,  on my return I was welcomed
warmly, and was even told on two separate instances,  that  I was a
"brother" and I should come back home.  Of course conversing in fluent
Kiswahili was very helpful. The Tanzanian African considers hinself second
to none.  I found the younger generation, who have no memory of the colonial
era to be self confident, well educated, very efficient in what they do and
very friendly.
 
 
 

Re: [Goanet] SERAPHINO ANTAO.

[J. Colaco < jc>]

On 5 September 2012 05:38, Fernandes, Edward  wrote:

The picture shown on the Goan Voice UK site was taken during a holiday
trip to Goa in 1960, showing him, with two friends, standing next to a
caminhao.

COMMENT:

1: Thank you Eddie, Goanvoice UK and the Antao family for releasing
these photographs.

2: I wonder, however, if the date in the above mentioned picture is accurate.

3: I just get the feeling that it isn't.

4: Was this photograph taken at another time (in the 1960s but post 1962) ?

jc

Re: [Goanet] Swahili word for music

[Tony de Sa]

Thank you - Asante sana Venantius
Cheers,
Tony


Venantius Pinto wrote
>Dear Tony,
>Although you do not post regularly ? I want to say that I like reading your
>posts.

>Thank you.


-- 

** "Tony de Sa" < tonydesa at gmail dot com > **

Re: [Goanet] Goanet at 18 years

[Quishor Lotlicar]

Happy birthday to Goanet! Congratulations!



Quishor Lotlicar
MACAU 
quishorl at ihm.gov.mo

Re: [Goanet] Caught in the act

[Jose Colaco]

(1):

> FL wrote:
> COWARDS !  How will the authorities check this out if this COWARD did not 
> even take
> down the Registration plate number of the vehicle?  Shame on  COWARD 
> MOIDEKARS.

(2):

> TONY de Sa COMMENTED:
> 
> If the supremo can do so much, then why is Goa full of garbage? Why can't he 
> get elected to the post of a panch or even the village dog catcher?


jc's comment:

Tonybab makes a good point. Florianobab should try getting elected as a panch 
(at least). 

That having been noted, Tony ducked the question on the table. From his own 
account, Tony was witness to a serious illegality. What exactly did he do 
besides writing to Goanet?

Did he, for instance, record the make of the vehicle, the colour, the 
registration number and give it to the police, OR did he just continue eating 
and drinking?

Moidecarponn i.e. abuse is welcome.

jc

[Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] The Vetals of Goa: Netravali

[Rajan P. Parrikar]

Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'The Vetals of Goa:
Netravali'

Today we call on the Vetal of Netravali, a remote village in Goa's forested
southeast corner. The shrine is even further removed from the village but is
well worth a visit, for the subject here cuts an imposing presence. In these
rural pockets vestiges of ancient ways of life are still sensed.

See this [...]

You may view the latest post at
http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2012/09/05/the-vetals-of-goa-netravali/

Best regards,
Rajan P. Parrikar
parri...@yahoo.com

[Goanet] Tie-Breaker Tournament at Aldona

[Cecil Pinto]

Tie-Breaker Tournament at Aldona

The Aldona Institute is organising a Three-a-Side football Tie-Breaker
at the Terecena Grounds on Saturday, 8th September, from 9 pm onwards.
First Prize is Rs. 5000/- and the Runners Up will get Rs. 3000/-

[Goanet] Another Young Goenkar Crashes On ChogM Road In Saligao!

Dear Nettekara,

2 days ago, near the Calangute Police Station, an out-of-state, rash
motorcyclist crashed into a young Goenkar riding without a helmet,
a brand-new, Rs. 1,4 lakh, Japanese-state-of-the-art, super-fast, two
wheeler.

He escaped miraculously, but it took 12 stitches to close a large bit of
flapping skin on his foot.  Imagine if that injury was on his head!

Cannot imagine?

Then, please do not close this mail without visiting this educational slide
show
on
road accidents on Indian roads: <
http://www.slideshare.net/news4u/operationroad-reminder-on-accidental-deaths-preview-on-11072011>


3 more slide shows on road safety:

http://www.slideshare.net/news4u
http://www.slideshare.net/safeindianroads/road-accident-prevention-powerpoint-presentation-with-photos
http://www.slideshare.net/safeindianroads/road-safety-suggestions-for-india

We are only sharing with you our own 'homskooling' efforts with our 2
teens, who are on the verge of getting their riding/driving licences.  As
we have said before, such a licence is no guarantee that we are either
producing safe riders/drivers, or that we have safe driving conditions on
our roads.  But as adults we have a responsibility to do at least this
much.  It will make Goa a safer place to live in.

Thanks to GOACAN for forcing us to look into road safety in Goa.

Warm regards and solidarity.

M&M.

-- 
*"We did not inherit Abreu Vaddo/Saligao/Goa/the Earth from our ancestors,
we merely borrowed it from our children." - *Indigenous Wisdom

there *is* anOTHERgoa
at 
& 
'''
muriel & mario,
c/o FULKAR,
6/22, sonarbhatt,  saligao.
bardez.  goa.  403511.
tel: 0832-2278276 / 240

''

[Goanet] Countdown to 38th KA's Tiatr Competition 2012 begins

[JoeGoaUk]

20,19,18...
Countdown to 38th KA's Tiatr Competition 2012

Starting with TENSION Sept 24
 and ends with 'I LOVE YOU SIR' on Nov.12

http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr14/7935243958/in/photostream

Re: [Goanet] The Education of the Masaai

[Gabe Menezes]

On 4 September 2012 20:33, Jose Colaco  wrote:

> On Sep 4, 2012, at 8:48 AM, "Mervyn & Elsie Maciel" wrote:
>
> "Mapenzi yangu" translates as "My darling"
>
> COMMENT:
>
> While it is the Hot Hurricane season in these parts, it must be 'romantic
> weather' elsewhere.
>
> All these public proclamations of love . are beautiful.
>
> Perhaps, the beshtennch Ragar-Fugar "darling" will consider returning (:-)
>
> jc


RESPONSE: What a hoot! as well as the sweet dodol tomorrow is here...

-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.

[Goanet] Beyond the Workhouse: Regulating Vagrancy in Goa

[Eddie Fernandes]

Title: Beyond the Workhouse: Regulating Vagrancy in Goa
Source: Asian Journal of Criminology. Sep 2012. Vol. 7. No. 3. Pages 205 -
233. 
By Julia Wardhaugh (Bangor University, Wales). 

Summary: 
This study examines the social and legal regulation of homelessness,
providing a case-study of Goa. Vagrancy is contrasted with the Portuguese
religious charitable perspective adopted in Goa. This is complemented by a
contemporary case-study of the regulation of homelessness in the state of
Goa. Goa is described as the place where the 'new India' and the 'old India'
meet, with affluent tourists (both Indian and Western) encountering the 'old
India' of poverty and homelessness among the migrant workers who service the
tourist industry. 

Full text at http://www.springerlink.com/content/7h626r3458053723/

[Goanet] Parivartricks -Parrikar stamps his authority to give mining lobby a break of Rs 1, 500 cr

[SOTER]

Parrikar stamps his authority to give mining lobby a break of Rs 1,500 cr

September 5, 2012

Pamela D’Mello
Herald Insight Team
PANJIM: In a little noticed move, the addition of just two paragraphs in The 
Indian Stamp Goa Amendment Act 2012 ~ moved as an amendment on the last day of 
the recently ended Monsoon Session of the Goa Assembly — has resulted in the 
Manohar Parrikar government having effectively though not officially rolled 
back the whopping stamp duty it proposed to levy on mine lease grants and 
renewals.
'Times New Roman'; font-size: medium; text-align: justify; ">The last-minute 
amendment will bring down the government's projected collection from the 
controversial mining industry from Rs 2500 crore to around Rs 930 crore, which 
would save the mining industry over Rs 1,500 crore.
The rollback followed “discussions” with the mining industry in the run-up to 
passage of the amendment to the Act. Mining bodies had protested against the 
steep stamp duty proposed and managed to secure a rollback ~ and it went 
unnoticed by the Opposition and the public.
Earlier, the Parrikar regime had made much of a Cabinet decision in August to 
amend the Stamp Duty act and levy a one-time advance royalty payment of 15 per 
cent due on the highest grade ore, multiplied by the amount of extraction 
permitted by each mine owner’s environmental clearance (EC), multiplied by 20 
(which is number of years, the period that leases are granted/renewed for). 
Parrikar had said the “state government would mop up Rs 2,500 crore” from the 
industry, his announcement buttressing his image as the man who would come down 
hard on an industry run rampant.
“The amendment puts a cap on the amount payable to Rs 1 lakh per ton, bringing 
down the amount collectible to Rs 900-1000 crore,” Secretary Mines RK Verma 
told HERALD INSIGHT in reply to a question.
Accordingly, mine owners permitted to extract one lakh tons a year would have 
to pay a stamp duty of Rs 2 crore on their lease, while those with EC 
permissions for a million tons annually pay Rs 20 crore in stamp duty for a 
20-year lease renewal, say sources in the industry.
While the rolled-back duty is a third of that proposed by the Parrikar 
government initially, the industry's complaint is that the stamp duty is still 
much higher in Goa than elsewhere in the country. “When the Stamp Duty Bill was 
introduced we were really shell-shocked. According to the initial proposal, it 
would have worked out to Rs 120 crore per million tons. If your EC limit is one 
million tons, you would have had to pay Rs 120 crore. We had a series of 
meetings with the chief minister, and finally what has been introduced is there 
is a cap on the total liability. The cap is about Rs 20 crore per million tons, 
which is even now the highest in the country,” said Shivanand Salgaocar, 
President of the Goa Mineral Ore Exporter’s Association.
Despite repeated attempts throughout the day, the chief minister could not be 
contacted for his comments. He is learnt, however, to have taken the stand 
there has been no rollback and that the notification which would soon be 
published would make everything clear.
http://www.heraldgoa.in/News/Main%20Page%20News/Parrikar-stamps-his-authority-to-give-mining-lobby-a-break-of-Rs-1-500-cr/64048.html

[Goanet] In Memoriam: SERAPHINO ANTAO. Died September 6th 2011

[Fernandes, Edward]

To mark the First anniversary of the death of Seraphino Antao, his family has 
released the first batch of his collection of photographs, many bearing his 
captions. The picture shown on the Goan Voice UK site was taken during a 
holiday trip to Goa in 1960, showing him, with two friends, standing next to a 
caminhao. 

To view the 60 photographs  in this set,  go to http://sdrv.ms/PTmvCK 
To view them as a slideshow, go to http://sdrv.ms/PYxvhZ   
Comments to his brother, Joe Antao, joe...@excite.com  

For a Wikipedia profile of Seraphino Antao go to 
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seraphino_Antao 

[Goanet] Song for the day...

[Gabe Menezes]

Frank 
Sinatra
-
Summer Wind (Reprise® Recordings 1968)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLlEflbkydE&feature=relmfu

g



-- 
DEV BOREM KORUM

Gabe Menezes.