[Goanet-News] AUDIO: VRR... on how to sharpen your short story
Tips from experience, author and editor Victor Rangel-Ribeiro speaks at the Goa Book Club (Jan 17, 2013) at Panjim: http://archive.org/details/VictorRangel-ribeiroAtTheGoaBookClub -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
This is no attempt at sanitizing. It is history as you'd read it anywhere. I did not mention the Acto Colonial of 1930 because that was exactly the issue I was attacking - that the fact that Goa was part of the Estado da India Portuguesa and that Goans had full Portuguese citizenship predates the Acto colonial and the overseas province status by 200 years. The Acto colonial in its entirety covered a period of less than 20 years. If you look at postage stamps and the currency, you'd see Republica Portuguesa- Estado da India. It is no imagination that Nirvana sells T-shirts with a similar logo, in Pangim. By your comments, do you insinuate that Lourdes Bravo da Costa is also sanitizing history? From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis This is a good attempt to sanitize purtugez history, avoiding the mention of Acto Colonial of 1930, giving us proud Indians of Estado da India the status of second class citizens, etc, etc.. This revisionist business is getting pretty old now, but nonetheless is a veritable clown show. Cheers, Santosh - Original Message - From: Gabriel de Figueiredo gdefigueir...@yahoo.com.au Dear Victor, In 1757, King Joseph I of Portugal issued a decree penned by his prime minister, the Marquês de Pombal, granting the Portuguese citizenship and representation to all subjects in the Portuguese Indies. The enclaves of Goa, Damão, Diu, Dadra and Nagar Haveli became collectively known as the Estado da Índia Portuguesa, and had representation in the Portuguese Corte (later, parliament). As you probably know, Dr. Francisco Luis Gomes, whose staute you will find at a park in Campal, was one of the representatives for Estado da India Portuguesa in the Potuguese Cortes from 1861 to 1869. The last ones to represent Goa in Portuguese Parliament were Purxotama Quenim and Sócrates da Costa. Thus the residents of the Estado da India Portuguesa had full citizenship of Portugal, much, much before Antonio Oliveira de Salazar was a twinkle in his parents eyes. And Goans had elections much before the Indians in the Indian Republic had, going from an article The First Elections in Goa by Lourdes Bravo da Costa, published last Jan 13 on Navhind Times Panorama (http://www.navhindtimes.in/panorama/first-elections-goa ). Also, bear in mind that the decree granting full citizenship of Portugal to the residents of the Estado da India Portuguesa (Portuguese State of India) was a couple of decades before the Boston Tea Party of 1773. And what was furore in America about? Does No taxation without representation ring a bell? What you are spouting, is the Nehruvian assumption. Because British India never had such privileges of parliamentary representation in Britain, Nehru assumed that Goans were only ayahs, butlers, and cooks (I believe he made such a statement to a newspaper reporter when asked why the majority of Goans were not protesting against the Portuguese). He ignored the hundreds of able administrators, judges and doctors who were serving Portugal in the Metropole and all overseas territories. The term Salazar used, Overseas Province, would be much the same that the British would use with relation to the Falklands, and the US with Hawaii and Alaska. I reiterate that Salazar had nothing to do with the fact that Goans are Portuguese citizens, or that Goa was an overseas province. Goa was the Estado da India Portuguesa since 1757; the Republic of India was born in 1947 (really speaking, the Republic was formed in 1950), when the ancient Bharat was split in 3 (could be 4, if Lanka is taken into account). Cheers, Gabriel.
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to become Portuguese
Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: I reiterate that Salazar had nothing to do with the fact that Goans are Portuguese citizens, or that Goa was an overseas province. Goa was the Estado da India Portuguesa since 1757; the Republic of India was born in 1947 (really speaking, the Republic was formed in 1950), when the ancient Bharat was split in 3 (could be 4, if Lanka is taken into account). Gabriel, Before he became top dog in Portugal, Salazar was Minister for the Colonies. Somewhere along the line Salazar became certifiable and the colonies became overseas provinces. Goa became Portugal, or an overseas province of Portugal in 1946 i.e. while Salazar was in power. Mervyn
Re: [Goanet] THE BJP AGENDA UNRAVELS
On 15 January 2013 06:54, Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com wrote: We have an ex-goanetter defending Aires on his Facebook page while claiming she is a Catholic Goan though the world let the world known she's an agnostic. She lectures us on freedom of expression and India's. She's says shame on Catholic Goans offended by Aires. Eugene Correia RESPONSE: My friend, to be fair she had a good go at Aires too. Seems to have found her joie de vivre now; new President of the G.O.A. U.K; overtures being made to fulfil the obligation w.t.r. Histories of the E.A. Goan oral historiesNew President did I say? only in name...new brooms in this case, do not sweep clean. The old order of things still stand. Just a changing of chairs..the shafting will still be done by proxybeware bai, beware...you have been forewarned...this kiss of Judas. -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
[Goanet] Goan identity - Toronto conference, 1991
India Abroad, March 1991. A Search for Identity by Goans Gathering Takes Up Issues of Christianity and West By AJIT JAIN TORONTO - Goans never had a strong identity of their own, Prof. Rashesh Thakkar of Toronto's York University said last week. Thakkar was one of many speakers from North America, Britain and India who participated in a three-day conference here that concluded March 17. Called Coa: Continuity and Change, it raised many questions about the community in India and abroad, its identity and the relationship between Goans and non-Goans. Goa was a Portuguese colony for more than 250 years, and was freed by the Indian Army in the early 1960s. The conference was organized by the South Asian studies department of the University of Toronto and the International Goan Association. The answer of a Goan to the question, whether he is a Goan or an Indian first, will depend on who you are talking to, Ronald D'Costa, a professor at the University of Ottawa, said. A Goan who settled in East Africa will say he is an Indian, he said. A Coan from Incia will say he's a Goan. Portuguese Heritage Cliff Meneses, a student at York University, spcke about the Portuguese rule in Goa, and asked: Why do we Goans not want to be called Indians? Why do we want to retain Portuguese names and cling to Christianity? Nearly 40 percent of Goa's population is Roman Catholic. He added: Goans consider themselves unique. Christianity and Western influences bring them closer to mainstream communities, and as immigrants we are less of a target as visible minorities. We fit in with Western culture. At Ease in the West Dr. George Coelho, a senior administrator at the National Mental Health Institute in Maryland, said, Goans always feel more comfortable, more at ease in the West than in the East. They are more Westernized among the visible minorities in North America. And yet, he added, Goans are not accepted as part of the mainstream and continue to be a part of minorities. Narendra Wagle, a professor at the University of Toronto and the convenor of the conference, said it had become evident from the gathering's deliberations that Goans would like to go back to Indian ways. But at the same time Christianity and Portuguese connections would keep them distinct, apart, he noted. Aware of Identiry John Manoel de Figiredo of Yale University said that Goan academics and community leaders repeatedly call themselves Goans, as they are conscious of the Goan identity even though they come from different parts of the world. The conference also addressed some of the problems in the Catholic Church in Coa. Janet Rubinoff of York University presented a paper on casteism of Catholics. The church in Goa chose to accept rather than condemn caste affiliations among its new converts, she said. - The above text is from a scanned newspaper clipping. Prof. Thakkar was professor of politics at York University before retiring. Ronald D'Costa was professor of sociology at Ottawa University and before that he taught in Congo and he died at age 66 in 2003. Narendra Wagle (retired) was professor of history at Toronto University and headed the South Asian Studies Dept. Dr. George Coelho died a few years ago. He and Wagle put together the papers from the conference into a book, Goa: Continuity and Change. John Manoel de Figuredo, a Portuguese. Janet Rubinoff, then a ph.d student, is now a professor of anthropology at York University. She is wife of Prof. Arthur Rubinoff who wrote, Use of Force in Goa, who taught political science at University of Toronto. I attended the conference. I have provided this report because of the debate on Goan identity since yesterday on the occasion of the anniversary of Opinion Poll. Eugene
[Goanet] Meet MIL MEL NEL playing blowing instruments..
Playing Blowing instruments.. Milagres Fernandes, Cezar D’Mello and Agnel D’Costa as Mil - Mel - Nel http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aYLvIkNWdLY Performing LIVE - last night at Merces http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr15/8387194837/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauktiatr15/8387180283/in/photostream/ Meet them, artists of the month, at TAG Panjim on 19/1/13 4.30pm joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/ For Goan Video Clips http://youtube.com/joeukgoa In Goa, Dial 1 0 8 For Hospital, Police, Fire etc
[Goanet] SMILE.............................. IT'S WEEKEND (17/01/2013)
CAN I... A man Minglu goes to his family doctor (Dr. Hakun):- Dr. Hakun: Yes Minglu, tell me. Minglu: Doctor I have problem in my dreams. Dr. Hakun: Dreams? Minglu: Yes doctor. Dr. Hakun: Explain it to me, so that I can cure you properly. Minglu: Doctor, in my dreams, I play football every night. Dr. Hakun: Hum, take this tablet, you will be ok. Minglu: Doctor, if you don’t mind, can I take it tomorrow. Dr. Hakun: Why? Minglu: Because tonight is final game. Cajetan de Sanvordem Kuwait.
[Goanet] [Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar] Twilight at Aguereberry Point
Photo Blog by Rajan Parrikar has posted a new item, 'Twilight at Aguereberry Point' Badwater Basin, Belt of Venus and Earth's shadow are seen in this post-sunset view from Aguereberry Point (elevation 6433 feet) in the Panamint Mountains of Death Valley National Park. The location is named after the tenacious prospector Pete Aguereberry (pronounced: aa-geh-ra-berry), a Basque from France who lived around Death Valley for much of his life. You may view the latest post at http://www.parrikar.com/blog/2013/01/17/twilight-at-aguereberry-point/ Best regards, Rajan P. Parrikar parri...@yahoo.com
[Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
Bosco D bospam at gmail.com on Wed Jan 6 0::3::0 PST 013 wrote: Ajeeb = Strange, Odd, Peculiar. Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke log = Strange, these people of Goa... Response: If Nehru said Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke log It is obvious that he had found Goans not like the rest of the Bharatis. That Goans were unique. Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis
According to Arun Sinha (Goa Indica - pg 57), after Nehru's Congress Party failed to win a single seat at Goa's first election, Nehru was stunned at the outcome. ... It was at this moment of his bewilderment that Nehru made his famous observation, 'Ajeeb hain ye Goa ke log' ... Gabriel. From: Bosco D bos...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 3:43 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to be bharatis On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 9:29 AM, joe lobo wrote: ** Could you please transalate for the sake of us non-Hindi speaking goans the last phrase of your missive... Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke log . Was it a statement made by the then federal PM J.Nehru ? RESPONSE: Ajeeb = Strange, Odd, Peculiar. Ajeeb hai ye Goa ke log = Strange, these people of Goa. I have no evidence that Pandit Nehru uttered those words. Dr. Joe D`Souza is unsure too in his column dated Dec 15, 2010 in the Herald, Goa
Re: [Goanet] Adeus Korchea Vellar
Thanks - but if I may make a comment, the microphone appears to have been too close to the piano, or, gain was set too high resulting in a jarring tone. From: Frederick FN Noronha * फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا fredericknoron...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Thursday, 17 January 2013 5:34 AM Subject: [Goanet] Adeus Korchea Vellar http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Vv6lTybNgBA -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
Re: [Goanet] India Unheard: Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen (Sulochana Pednekar)
A really sorry state of affairs. Healthcare is not only about the latest technology - it is often mostly about the small details like cleanliness, hygiene and a good, healthy ambience that ultimately leads to quicker and lasting recovery. It is also about providing a clean and quiet place so that patients can rest. I say this because, for some insane reason there was this carpenter using his power-saw in the corridor of Manipal hospital, not only creating noise, but also dust. Then there are cows and stray dogs creating nuisance in the area around the GMC hospital entrance at Bambolim, the hospital itself having been built so badly that there were no facilities for a wheel-chair the last time I went there, when I saw scrawled on the canteen wall garbos rule here (a garbo, in Aussie slang, is a garbage collector). I think Joe-GoaUK has posted some photographs of the filthy state of the pedestrian crossing at Bambolim. I wonder what the ex-GMC doctors on GoaNet have to say about the total degradation of Goa's healthcare in recent years. Gabriel. From: Goanet News news.goa...@gmail.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Sent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 4:27 AM Subject: [Goanet] India Unheard: Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen (Sulochana Pednekar) Going to the Hospital? Carry Your Own Linen http://indiaunheard.videovolunteers.org/going-to-the-hospital-carry-your-own-linen/
[Goanet] Interesting debate about Parrikar and Aires' postings
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embeddedv=nTN1tir4s8c
Re: [Goanet] OBITUARY: Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza
I am sorry to hear about the passing of Fr. Ivo. I would like to offer my heartfelt condolences to his family. Sincerely, Santosh Bosco wrote: [Goanet] OBITUARY: Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza The last obituary at the below links is for Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza of Holy Spirit Church, Margao who passed way on January 15, 2013. http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=8967boxid=4545671uid=dat=1/16/2013http://www.epaperoheraldo.in/Details.aspx?id=8967boxid=4522343uid=dat=1/16/2013 Source: Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão via Frederick (FN) Noronha
Re: [Goanet] Goans forced to become Portuguese
Gabriel de Figueiredo wrote: Goa was the Estado da India Portuguesa since 1757; the Republic of India was born in 1947 (really speaking, the Republic was formed in 1950), when the ancient Bharat was split in 3 (could be 4, if Lanka is taken into account). Mervyn Lobo wrote: Gabriel, Goa became Portugal, or an overseas province of Portugal in 1946 i.e. while Salazar was in power. COMMENT: Lord Have Mercy! Leave alone 1946 and 1950. 1: Think of 'property law' as of 1947 when India FIRST became an independent entity. 2: Was Goa. Part of it? 3: NO? 4: OK then. 5: Were Goans asked in 1961 IF they wanted to be part of India? 6: NO? 7: OK then, 8: What is all this confabulation and Revisionistic Rumination about? 9: Just Accept it Like some accept that the Kohinoor belongs to Rani Saheba, and move on Na? 10: Goa and Goans IMO will never create a problem (except on discussion lists and Tavernas) because Goans did NOT have the right to self determination. But Goans, in a very large measure, have moved on. Good for them. 11: Forget Goa! Concentrate on several thousand miles to the NE and NNW. Pray for peace over there. jc
Re: [Goanet] Can they? What do Goanetters believe?
Santosh! U are residing in the West; in Texas USA. What are You doing there? Looting the USA? Have U been deported there? Is it not high time U set up shop in Chimbel? Or is it that YOU have been Deported to the West from the East? Hah Hah! Even the East proper is doing better than India who are to the west of the succesful Orient! Why? because they Modernise, and do not stick to centuries old tabboos, unreasonable dogma and cave age traditions. Modernisation, (Westernisation) is the answer! Nascy Caldeira From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com ent: Wednesday, 16 January 2013 1:37 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Can they? What do Goanetters believe? The way the East is making great progress is by self-deportation of all the racist, casteist and religious bigots to the West, Macau and Down Under. Cheers, Santosh - Original Message - From: Nascy Caldeira nascy...@yahoo.com.au Hi all, Catching Up? Yes. What percentage of the population has really succeeded in the 'catch up''. More importantly What Caste based Race has shown 'catch up' success; how many of the 450 millions POOR are of the higher castes? Al this 'catch up' progress is due to Modernisation' of Thought, Effort, Science and Technology of the so called West. Modernisation is essentially westernisation; as the west first modernised, in almost every field of Human activity. Now the inferiority complex bharatis are talking aginst westernisation. What cheek? Bloody humbug! nascy caldeira
[Goanet] AUDIO: VRR... on how to sharpen your short story
Tips from experience, author and editor Victor Rangel-Ribeiro speaks at the Goa Book Club (Jan 17, 2013) at Panjim: http://archive.org/details/VictorRangel-ribeiroAtTheGoaBookClub -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org Goa,1556's updated list of books available on and from Goa: http://www.scribd.com/doc/76671049/Goa1556-Catalogue-Books-from-Goa
[Goanet] Goa news for January 18, 2013
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** School tried to destroy proof, allege Goa minor rape victim's parents - Times of India ape-case-cops-announce-award-for-providing-information-about-accused-318353Goa rape case: cops announce award for providing information about accused http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNExWVuPWPZgQQ4cINsnZR9o7JtSjwurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/School-tried-to-destroy-proof-allege-Goa-minor-rape-victims-parents/articleshow/18059717.cms *** Dead body of naked woman found in Goa - NDTV TVPanaji: A dead body of a young woman was on Thursday found stripped naked, her head smashed, in Goa's Assagao jungles, police said, adding they suspect she was raped also. The woman, whose head was battered beyond recognition, is believed to be ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGLVzWvuRFiVSVJ8NunasFIwjkvYAurl=http://www.ndtv.com/article/cities/dead-body-of-naked-woman-found-in-goa-319017 *** India protests in Goa after rape of schoolgirl - BBC News ear-old girl was raped in a school toilet on Monday. Goa police chief Kishan Kumar told the BBC that an investigation into the incident was under way. The headmistress has been ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG8UPtOmq8CKS5CsJ9FL-vAim1M1Aurl=http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-21022478 *** Goa to frame guidelines for students' safety in schools - NDTV ear-old girl inside the school toilet two days back. The guidelines were being framed and ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNE85fgsi8n5w-YAedJx1NiXU-6WOwurl=http://www.ndtv.com/article/india/goa-to-frame-guidelines-for-students-safety-in-schools-318238 *** The 'Psyched' Trip To Goa - Psychology Trip 2013 : Part 1 - AOL accompanied by four teachers - left for Goa on Friday (11 January 2013) evening for a fun-filled four day tour of Goa. The excitement of going to Goa could be felt throughout the 'D-Day'. The excitement reached its ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHVQoPGGcy2MHlrZvL-EAyLhiWNCwurl=http://www.coolage.in/2013/01/17/the-psyched-trip-to-goa-psychology-trip-2013-part-1/ *** Nirmaan Organizes Blood Donation Camp in BITS Goa - AOL an annual event held by Nirmaan is usually held in the first semester of the ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGnhu4JghlF3EaBK1WZVGwC6nK4Rgurl=http://www.coolage.in/2013/01/17/nirmaan-organizes-blood-donation-camp-in-bits-goa/ *** NHAI to 4-lane Kundapur-Goa border road - Times of India aning of the 190-km stretch from Kundapur to the Goa border. The detailed project report (DPR) for ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGU6zuKRLqCHYy1kaLf-RJnwDbjkwurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/NHAI-to-4-lane-Kundapur-Goa-border-road/articleshow/18054694.cms *** Goa's gender ratio goes off balance - Herald Publications a large and relatively less affluent state compared to which Goa represents a mini Dubai as far as employment avenues are concerned - while highly populous states ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG4pt3Skmr87G1uGoH-QkQb6t5bvQurl=http://oheraldo.in/News/Main%20Page%20News/Goa-rsquo-s-gender-ratio-goes-off-balance/69556.html *** Xaxti's pro-Dabolim MLAs speak up - Herald Publications Atilde; -vis Mopa. Says Furtado: We are all for ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEtqGGmLPrAcLjbRWmOEYQe8Wpdagurl=http://oheraldo.in/News/Main%20Page%20News/Xaxti-rsquo-s-pro-Dabolim-MLAs-speak-up/69558.html *** IndiGo's new flights connect Bangalore, Goa, Kolkata - Hindu Business Line ay fare starts from Rs 2 ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEmGDojVdfHp7cEm34ngUlUvEl4LQurl=http://www.thehindubusinessline.com/industry-and-economy/banking/indigos-new-flights-connect-bangalore-goa-kolkata/article4313321.ece Compiled by Goanet News Service http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php
Re: [Goanet] OBITUARY: Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza
When I saw Santosh's condolences re Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza it struck me immediately that these two were perpetual antagonists on GN. Whether it was the subject of religion or the issue of medicine the two would forever be at each other like ... er ... well ... like husband and wife. I'm sure Santosh's interactions with Fr Ivo added many years to his life. I'm sure Fr Ivo is waiting somewhere for the day when he can resume his debates with Santosh. Augusto Message: 9 Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2013 08:33:27 -0800 (PST) From: Santosh Helekar chimbel...@yahoo.com To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: Re: [Goanet] OBITUARY: Rev Fr Ivo da Conceicao E Souza Message-ID: 1358440407.10710.yahoomail...@web122101.mail.ne1.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I am sorry to hear about the passing of Fr. Ivo. I would like to offer my heartfelt condolences to his family. Sincerely, -- Augusto Pinto 40, Novo Portugal Moira, Bardez Goa, India E pinto...@gmail.com P 0832-2470336 M 9881126350
