[Goanet-News] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views of the mainstream media. (Dr Eddie D'Sa)
By Dr. Eddie D'Sa gdig...@btinternet.com Benedito Ferrao and Jason Fernandes[1] deserve all praise for a fitting and timely response to the allegations made by Andrew Green, chair of Migration Watch. They have stated their case persuasively and in clear and crisp academic prose -- rare among Goan writers. [The subject title may be a bit misleading though: if Goans are Portuguese, they are so only by virtue of citizenship (passport), not ethnicity. Right?] Sir Andrew, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, is the favoured migration expert for the Tories who quote copiously from his reports and pronouncements. He belongs to that select band of Little Englanders and Empire cheerleaders who have never come to terms with the loss of Empire and with subsequent presence of black and Asian migrants in the 'green and pleasant land'. * As for the media, the tabloids (Daily Mail, Express, Star, Sun), all owned by Rightwing billionaires, are generally, and often virulently, anti-immigration and anti-asylum. They have often made biased and inflammatory statements knowing well they can get away with it. In fact, the government (especially Downing Street and the Home Office) is said to be in thrall to the tabloids and reportedly used them from to time as conduits for leaks of harsh laws in the pipeline. [See APPENDIX for more on the tabloids.] * Ferrao and Fernandes write: As Goan academics, there is a need to redress such misrepresentations and firmly call out the Anglo-centric interpretation of colonialism... I heartily agree. Unfortunately, for too long, the Goan community, and even the elites, do not have the intellectual resources to confront the mainstream media and present their own case. They have sought safety in their feasts, religious rituals, community celebrations with song and dance * Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views put forward by the mainstream media. Mind you, if they did write and state their side of the argument to a mainstream paper, the letter would probably be binned. The media cling to the official view and allow no contrary position in general. There are no wide circulation Leftwing papers in Britain for an alternative perspectives. They will fail to attract advertisers and would have to fold. Smaller papers and online websites are forever begging their readers for donations. You could perhaps try addressing your arguments to the Daily Star or Daily Mail and see how far you get. Ferrao and Fernandes have rightly distinguished the Portuguese colonial state from the one created by the British. Significantly, the Portuguese state attempted to recognise natives as citizens, with rights equal to those of persons from the metropole... whereas the only status enjoyed by the natives in the British Empire was as that of subjects of the British crown. How right they are to point out the racialised political climate induced by years of British colonial rule in Africa. In particular, in Kenya, racial segregation was enforced in residential areas, public toilets in government buildings, entry into hotels. Even the Catholic Church privileged White parishioners at church services (Mass) by reserving the front pews for them. I believe it was the same in India, certainly in Bombay until the Brits left. * As for the Mau Mau rebellion in Kenya, the British resorted to mass detention, torture and killings. Michael Blundell, Minister without portfolio and head of the European land owners said in July 1954: We do not detain people for what they do but what they intend to do. (Never be Silent, S Durrani, Vita Books 2006). It took over 60 years for justice for victims of the Mau Mau rebellion because the British Government destroyed all evidence of their atrocities -- there were reports about roasting alive Kenyans, beating natives to death, anally raping men in internment camps using knives, broken bottles, rifle barrels, snakes and scorpions, even making a special tool to crush and rip off testicles by British forces. These detention camps held more than 160,000 Africans between 1952 and 1960. Pliers were used to mutilate women's breasts. The Mau Mau court hearing charges numbered over 400 brought by four elderly Kenyans -- two victims of castration. * Likewise, how right Ferrao and Fernandes are to point out that Asian travellers have had to put up with much ritual humiliations at embassies, consulates, and immigration check-points globally. But how do you counter the Anglocentric view of the world? The English-speaking nations are far too united and powerful. I guess the way forward to equality and respect is by achieving power like East Asia (China, Japan, Korea). At present India
[Goanet-News] GoanLink: Ivo Coelho, SDB
Ran across Ivo Coelho, SDB's blog online. What I didn't realise is that he's based in Jerusalem where he is the rector of the Salesian Community. Some contacts for him: Ivo Coelho, SDB. Rector, Salesian Community, Editor, DJPE, Ratisbonne Monastery, 26 Rehov Shmuel Hanagid, P.O. Box 7336 91072 Jerusalem Israel Tel: +972-2-6259171, +972-2-6258677 (direct) Cell: +972-543115841 (Israel); +91-7588705404 (India) ivo.coe...@gmail.com MUSINGS http://ivocoelho.blogspot.com PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS http://ivophil.blogspot.com Btw, his blog is interesting! Check it out... FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Europeans of An Other Colour -- Why the Goans are Portuguese (Ferrao Fernandes, Kafila.org)
On Sep 1, 2013, at 9:10 PM, Mervyn Lobo mervynal...@yahoo.ca wrote: Paulo Colaco Dias, I can always depend on you to provide comic relief on Goanet. The only reason why Goans born before Dec 1961 are Portuguese is because the Portuguese insist they are. COMMENT: My dear Mervyn, Is it possible that 'my learned colleague' Paulo is speaking from a legally accepted perspective even if he may or may not be referring to certain matters being contested in Goa, as we speak? If I were you, I would fact-check your above 'The only reason' statement and revise it to include therein the following phrase ' have NO choice ' jc
[Goanet] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased
The pro bharati media in Goa will not publish anti colonial talk. But thanks to the net, the imperialist media has been challenged for the past 14 years, unless Sã has not read or is new to the internet. BC By Dr. Eddie D'Sa gdig...@btinternet.com Benedito Ferrao and Jason Fernandes[1] deserve all praise for a fitting and timely response to the allegations made by Andrew Green, chair of Migration Watch. They have stated their case persuasively and in clear and crisp academic prose -- rare among Goan writers. [The subject title may be a bit misleading though: if Goans are Portuguese, they are so only by virtue of citizenship (passport), not ethnicity. Right?]
[Goanet] Fwd: Song for the day....
The Driftershttp://www.youtube.com/artist/the-drifters?feature=watch_video_title - Saturday Night At The Movies http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yIkjFhoW2ns -- DEV BOREM KORUM Gabe Menezes.
Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Goanet Reader: When a friendly editor cured stammering... (Willy Goes, interviewed by Remediana Dias)
Very nice article. Willy Goes is an inspiration. He should write his autobiography More power to Goans like him W Sent from my iPad Wendell Rodricks, Campal, Panjim. GOA 403001. INDIA Off tel: +91-832-2420604, Shop tel: +91-832-2238177 Off email: rns.wend...@gmail.com On 02-Sep-2013, at 3:02 AM, Goanet Reader goanetrea...@gmail.com wrote: Artist-writer-musician and more Willy Goes [willyg...@rediffmail.com] believes in giving life his best, because to him life is an echo. It all comes back. Give it your best and the best will come to you, he says. He graduated from the Goa College of Art in 1986. He works full time as a teaching faculty in the Department of Applied Art at Goa College of Art and writes part time. His wife is a teacher and his son is studying in XI Arts at Don Bosco Higher Secondary. He speaks to Remediana 'Remy' Dias [remy_dias2...@yahoo.com] about his humble beginnings and his love for writing. RD: Tell us about your life and how it all began? - I began working when I was studying in Std. VIII. I was about fourteen years old then. I worked along with my father in The Navhind Times as a photo engraver. In those days the printing technology was different. If a photograph had to be printed, it had to be chemically engraved into a zinc plate. In common terms it was known as 'block making'. Then when Navhind Times switched over to the modern 'offset printing' technology, I was the first one to operate the offset process camera. When I was doing this, I simultaneously worked as a photojournalist for Navprabha and Navhind Times. I also handled photojournalist assignments for Goa Today. I was very active as a photojournalist during the Konkani agitation. I also contributed to the international news agency Reuters around this time. Simultaneously, I have also handled design assignments for various book covers, folders, brochures, etc. The very next year after my graduation (in 1986) I started teaching at the Goa College of Art as a part0time lecturer. During this time I did theatre too. In 1990, I was assigned a Drawing Teacher's job in Padi-Barcem which is about sixty kilometers from Panjim. I would travel to and from everyday. After coming back to Panjim, I continued with the lectures at Goa College of Art. In 1993 I was appointed at the Goa College of Art as full time lecturer, and I have been teaching at the art college ever since. RD: Have you received any awards in recognition for your work? - I have received several awards for art before I began writing. I have received State Art Awards for photography and graphic design in 1985, 1986, 1988, 1989, 1990 Ever since I have been writing, I have received Dalgado Konknni Akademi Awards for manuscripts of my novels 'Kantto' and 'Kotrin'. The Konknni Bhasha Mandal conferred their prestigious Sahitya Puraskar (Literary Award) for my novella 'Khand' in 2006. Thomas Stephens Konknni Kendra, the Konknni research institution in Porvorim, awarded me with the prestigious Jack Sequeira Konknni Puroskar 2012 for my contribution to Konkani language through literature. I was invited to participate and present papers at many state level and national level literary seminars in Goa, Mangalore and New Delhi. I served as a member of the Konkani Advisory Board of Sahitya Akademi, New Delhi from 2008 to 2012. Sahitya Akademi is the premiere institution of the Central government established to strengthen Indian literature in all languages. RD: When, where, why and how did you being your journey as a writer? - I started reading at a very young age when I found a book which was probably thrown out by somebody. It was a book about Robin Hood and his adventures. I can say that it was by accident that I started reading and I fell in love with reading. As I read those stories, I began to create stories in my mind. As I grew up, and reading became one of my hobbies, I began to ask myself, why couldn't I write too? But then, by being young, I was immature at that time. In the early nineties I joined the Jaycees, and it helped me know myself better, and it also helped me realise my potentials. I was made the editor of the Panjim Jaycees Bulletin, for which I wrote a couple of edits. Then I helped Fr. James D'Costa to start the Parish Bulletin of St. John of the Cross Church, Sanquelim. I wrote a piece or two for the bulletin. By then my son Lesly was growing. As a toddler, he would insist that I tell him a story before going to bed. Soon I ran out of
[Goanet] THE ACADEMIC, ECONOMIC, AND EMOTIONAL POLITICS OF KONKANI: A RESPONSE TO ARTI DAS
To The Editor, Navhind Times, We write this letter to indicate that we found the article “Konkani Bhasha: Its Academic, Economic and Emotional Viability”, that appeared in your newspaper on 17 Aug 2013, lacking in terms of conveying the real story regarding the health of the Konkani language. This article which ostensibly discusses the future development and status of Konkani, including the forces that work for the strengthening of the language, has nowhere, not even once, made a mention of the Roman script, nor of the cultural and literary productions in that script, nor of the institutions engaged in giving the script and its productions new life. Allow us, therefore, to present an alternative narrative about the academic, economic and emotional politics of the Konkani language. The article commences with a paean to Shenoi Goembab (VardeValaulikar), in an attempt to situate him as the origin of the literary development of the Konkani language. While there can be no doubt regarding Varde Valaulikar’s contributions to Konkani literature, it should not be forgotten that he was but one of the many supporters of the language and cultural production in it. Notably, while the article makes a case that it is just a small segment of the Konkani-speaking population that is attempting to safeguard the language, reality is entirely to the contrary. The Konkani language acquired its first mass base largely through, but not restricted to, the literary efforts of working class Goan Catholic migrants in Bombay, and the simultaneous articulations of the language on the stage through the associated arts of Tiatr and Cantaram. Tragically however, this literary tradition has been stifled by the policies followed by the official Konkani language establishment since the adoption of the Official Language Act of the State. Nevertheless, Konkani continues to thrive via Tiatr and Cantaram, not merely in the State, but in various parts of the country, most notably Bombay, as well as globally, once again in places where Goan Catholics have migrated in search of employment. Tiatr shows, festivals and competitions receive widespread public patronage and run houseful on a regular basis, in towns as well as villages of Goa. So popular are these performances that it has also led to a thriving business in the sale of CDs and DVDs of these shows.While on the topic of the cultural productions of the Roman script, allow us to highlight the contribution of Romans (Konkani language novels in the Roman script) writers to Konkani literature, amongst whom Reginald Fernandes was the most towering figure, and is believed to have written over 200 books. Also worth mentioning is the role played by the Konkani language establishment, especially the Goa Konkani Akademi (GKA), in stifling the Konkani language as embodied in the Roman script, and the dialects other than the Antruzi variant identified with, and claimed by, the Saraswat caste. The GKA has since inception been formed largely by members of the Saraswat caste, and caste-groups and individuals allied with this caste. If anything, this only further contributes to the limited narrative that the articleproffers about Konkani and its alleged proponents. The article quotes PundalikNaik speaking of the apparently uphill battle that the GKA has waged to raise Konkani to this dubious level of merit. What is not highlighted is the perhaps grimmer battle that this institution and its allied partners have waged against persons writing in the Roman script. Whether in the Kala Academy or the GKA, contributions in the Roman script used to be rejected for competitions, on the basis that Devanagari alone was the official script, and hence the Roman script could not be recognised. As if to add insult to injury, subsequent to these discriminatory rejections, and clearly without reading these works, submissions in the Roman script were routinely dismissed as “lacking in standard”. Rather than attempt to support litterateurs who used the Roman script to achieve these levels of standard, these persons were starved of state support, as they were forced to work in Devanagari and the Antruzi dialect exclusively. With official Konkani’s hi ghly sanskritised form and rejection of Konkani history, we would like to highlight that this was akin to requiring Hindi litterateurs to write in English! Myopic measures of this nature are precisely what have curtailed the growth of literary traditions when, in fact, the rich diversity of Konkani in its many scripts and dialects should be lauded for the fertile possibilities they allow for multifarious growth.The Kala Academy, however, thankfully appears to be changing its policy, as obvious from a recent notice dated Aug 27, 2003, that it has extended the scope of its annual literary awards to include works in Konkani in Devanagari as well as Roman scripts. Furthermore, the official guardians of the culture
Re: [Goanet] Mull ani Bull
Sebastian Borges wrote: My thanks to Santosh for the very informative links; they widened the horizons of an ill-read person like me. Dear Prof. Borges, I too appreciate your input and perspective on this issue, which I think are more valuable than mine. I am not sure if you are interested in entertaining a private discussion on the scheduled castes topic with the Goanet poster named Marshall Mendonza in response to the following offer by him: QUOTE I could have a long discussion with you on this subject but it would not be fair to other Goanet readers and so if you wish we could take this offline.. UNQUOTE ..Marshall Mendonza But if you are going to engage him in such a discussion, I would really appreciate it if you could cc your replies to me. I am very much interested in reading the documents/reading material he has read and the reliable hearsay information he has gathered from his discussions with others in the know. I am referring to the following quotes by him in his latest Goanet post (http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-September/234032.html). QUOTE To be honest, these are some of the answers that I too am seeking. I have not been able to lay my hands on any information/ document which could suggest or tell us what transpired between 26th Jan 1950 and 9th August 1950. I understand from my reading and discussions with others in the know that there was absolutely no debate, discussion, white paper, nothing to suggest what was in the offing. UNQUOTE …...Marshall Mendonza QUOTE I reliably understand that it was this lobby which was instrumental in pushing the Order as they did not succeed in preventing any discrimination in the Constitution. UNQUOTE …...Marshall Mendonza I am particularly interested in knowing why his reading material, his hearsay information, his understanding, his people in the know, etc. are so uniquely reliable and special. On my part, I will continue to provide more factual information from independent sources about the history of the scheduled castes list in the Indian constitution, and the role played by the Christian members of the Constituent Assembly in putting it together. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] ADVOCATE GENERAL OF GOA ATMARAM NADKARNI SHOULD QUIT
I'm yet to see any practicing advocate/lawyer quitting practicing law for having given wrong legal advice to his client! Has advocate Aires not faced with such instances! Has he not got tongue lashings anytime from law courts in India for giving wrong advice or guidance and or for wrongly applying the mind in interpreting legal provisions of law before filling the case? Has he any time even said 'sorry' (after such acts / things happening) to his client leave alone giving up practicing law! Therefore, without any constrain, I would say, 'Aires should PREACH WHAT HE PRACTICES.' On Sun, 1 Sep 2013 Aires Rodrigues airesrodrigu...@gmail.com wrote: After the tongue lashing by the Supreme Court, the flamboyant Advocate General of Goa Atmaram Nadkarni should resign taking moral responsibility for the most foul legal advice given by him to the Goa Government on the NEET issue pertaining to the Goa Medical College Post graduate students. Aires Rodrigues
Re: [Goanet] Special Status
http://www.epapernavhind.in/navhindtimes/epaperhome.aspx?issue=02092013 - Original Message - From: Eugene Correia eugene.corr...@gmail.com To: goa...@goanet.org Sent: Saturday, August 31, 2013 8:21 PM Subject: [Goanet] Special Status Now that the Union government isn't keen on granting Special Status, I have seen no statements from the groups, Movement for Special Status for Goa, and Goa Movement for Special Status. Eagerly waiting to know the future actions of these groups. Eugene
[Goanet] Moily's Bizarre Theory
Oil Minister M. V. Moily has proposed many changes for the consideration of the Cabinet Committee! Top change (unstudied!) on his agenda is, 'CLOSING PETROL PUMPS FROM 8 PM TO 8 AM.' According to M. V. Moily this particular change is being proposed to save on petrol import and consumption! Reacting on this suggested change, general public say, 'What a brilliant idea to save petrol consumption? Why doesn't he suggest rationing of petrol to say 1 Liter per day per vehicle instead? ' By suggesting closure of petrol pump from 8 pm to 8 am Moily become second Kangress member after Shila Dikshit (chief minister of Delhi) to suggest BRILLIANT IDEA! Earlier when her government increased electricity chargegs she had suggested Delhi dwellers to stop using Air Conditioners, Refrigerators, electrical cocking ranges, and fans in the house! Moily refuses to give more details on his proposal stating that 'model code of conduct is in place as assembly elections in three states have been declared.' On this people react saying, 'if model code of conduct is preventing Moily to diverge the details on his proposal how will cabinet committee pass the proposal during prevalence of code of conduct OR are they going to selectively implement the suggestion in non-Kangress states where code of conduct is not applicable!' Bharat Nirman me kuchbhi ho sakta hai!
Re: [Goanet] Augusto Pinto: Mull ani Bull
Before this particular subject got unfortunately subverted on to a tangent by Prof. Sebastian Borges, I had asked Augusto Pinto a few questions. These questions were directly related to some very (IMO) uncorroborated charges made by Augusto against some prominent Goa based Goan journalists. The intervening ofuscação caused by Borges interventions having been noted, I return to the questions which I believe would merit from answers. So ...here it goes: THE AUGUSTO PINTO CHARGES: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-August/233708.html it is sad that Devika, Pamela and Mervyn who represent various upper-class if not necessarily upper-caste strands of opinion among Catholic Goans on the Herald chose to kill the story thereby silencing a voice which represented those lower than theirs. THE AUGUSTO PINTO LAMENTATION http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-August/233480.html I feel sad for people like Frederick Noronha, George Menezes, Pamela D'Mello, VM, Santosh Helekar, Jose Colaco, Jose Lourenco, Cecil Pinto and others who otherwise like to wax eloquent on all and every subject. Why the sudden silence now? THE UNANSWERED QUESTIONS (inter alia) http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2013-August/233725.html 1: what specifically have the two priest done? 2: do you have documentary proof? 3: name the person/contact who advised you a prominent employee automatically blocks such reports to protect the Catholic Church jc
[Goanet] Mull ani Bull
Can someone please elaborate what is Mull ani Bull all about, how is this subjectline relevant to the issue being debated, and who brought about this subjectline to the debate?
[Goanet] GoanLink: Ivo Coelho, SDB
Ran across Ivo Coelho, SDB's blog online. What I didn't realise is that he's based in Jerusalem where he is the rector of the Salesian Community. Some contacts for him: Ivo Coelho, SDB. Rector, Salesian Community, Editor, DJPE, Ratisbonne Monastery, 26 Rehov Shmuel Hanagid, P.O. Box 7336 91072 Jerusalem Israel Tel: +972-2-6259171, +972-2-6258677 (direct) Cell: +972-543115841 (Israel); +91-7588705404 (India) ivo.coe...@gmail.com MUSINGS http://ivocoelho.blogspot.com PHILOSOPHICAL MUSINGS http://ivophil.blogspot.com Btw, his blog is interesting! Check it out... FN -- FN Land +91-832-240-9490 Cell +91-982-212-2436 f...@goa-india.org
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Europeans of An Other Colour -- Why the Goans are Portuguese (Ferrao Fernandes, Kafila.org)
Again, the Anglophile Goan versus the Lusophile Goan tug-of-war. Both are not wrong... yet neither is fully right, IMNSHO! FN
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Reader: When a friendly editor cured stammering... (Willy Goes, interviewed by Remediana Dias)
Wily's account of his young life and later his dive into literary pursuits makes a good story. I just finished reading his Cabo's Sofa and ther short stories from Goa. Hope to do a review later. eugene
[Goanet] GOACAN to observe National Nutrition Week from 1st September
--- Do GOACAN a favour, circulate this email to your family members, relatives, neighbours and friends. Help other CONSUMERS to be better informed. --- GOACAN to observe National Nutrition Week - GOACAN will observe National Nutrition Week from 1st September with a view to creating awareness among consumers on the importance of exercising their right to be informed and the right to choice when consuming packaged food items and junk food. A special focus of the GOACAN awareness campaign will be on theimportance of including fruits vegetables in a consumers daily diet and the methods of growing these fruits vegetables in an organic way free from chemical fertilisers pesticides in kitchen gardens. GOACAN will also create an awareness among consumers on the need to reduce the wastage of food, understand the impacts of unsustainable eating habits and the impact of the same on their health and the environment. GOACAN will seek to network information from individuals agencies involved in training and guidance to families, housing societies educational institutions who wish to use workable models and best practices. During the week GOACAN volunteers will distribute leaflets and informationslips to consumers with the assistance of the village based consumer forums and campus based Consumer Welfare Cells. **--** GOA CIVIC AND CONSUMER ACTION NETWORK --**--- promoting civic and consumer rights in Goa --**-- GOACAN Post Box 187 Margao, Goa 403 601 GOACAN Post Box 78 Mapusa, Goa 403 507 mail: goa...@gmail.com **--**--- ** **
[Goanet] A 'new' method of learning for kiddies?
Dear all, You may have heard of the Khan Academy. I believe that the kiddies might benefit from the short video lectures on the site - Totally Free Now has the backing of Bill Gates and Google I'd suggest watching this short video which appeared on 60 minutes last night best jc http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=zxJgPHM5NYIdesktop_uri=%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzxJgPHM5NYI
[Goanet] Portuguese Arrival in Goa
Following my side-interest of history as a buff, I had the good fortune to read back-to-back two books. First by Nigel Cliff on HOLY WAR: How Vasco Da Gama's Epic Voyages Turned the Tide in a Centuries-Old Clash of Civilizations. This was followed by The Fortunes of War: Four Great Battles of World War II by Andrew Rooney. Nigel Cliff's book has some extensive collection of (Lisbon based) factual data. However many of his interpretations of facts are twisted to fit the title of his book - the whole thing was about Holy War. I would expect such an approach by Goa-based authors and historians; who may look at Vasco Da Gama's and Alphonso Albuquerque's military actions as a Goa-centric operation. I would expect better from a London-based author. Nigel's goal (of linking all to religion) was to make his book interesting to casual arm-chair readers and naive historians who likely have never been in battle even for a day. Portuguese military actions (Da Gama's and Albuquerque's) were similar to landmark world conflicts involving and impacting entire regions and not limited to a single battle field. Both, Portuguese monarchs and their naval admirals viewed their task from an Indian Ocean perspective - extending from the entire east coast of Africa, to the full length of the Middle East to the whole west coast of India. This was not unlike the Americans' viewing their WW II encounter with Japan across the Pacific and the numerous small and large islands; Eisenhower planning D-Day (Operation Overlord) not merely as one battle in Normandy; or Hitler looking at his invasion of the East (which later became the Soviet Union) and Russian counter-action against Germany. Da Gama and Albuquerque had the ability of fighting from the safety of the ocean with much more powerful cannons (superiority in military technology). But in their wars, they had NO or LITTLE knowledge of the enemy, absolutely NO supply-lines for food, ammunition, replacement of men, fighting materiel and ships. In addition to the physical enemy on land or sea, the captain and his sailors had the adversity of the ocean and any changes in climate and wind. For all these reasons, time is not on the side of the ship's captain. While time well-served a land-based army who can reinforce and optimize its position. Naval warfare does not permit taking of prisoners of war who have to be fed, occupy the cramped space of sailors and quickly deplete limited medical resources, if there are any on the ship. Thus naval warfare like aerial warfare is instantaneous kill-or-be-killed. Good or bad lessons learned from one experience (or heard from others) are applied to the next situation. In short there is very little room for patience and no second chances. All parties used ingenuity, cunning, false pretenses to fairly or unfairly gain the advantage and upper-hand. Wars are and have always been about surviving, victory, moving forward, loot and territory. Yet the Portuguese (fighting from ships) did not have boots-on-the-ground; and their enemy (at the dozen or so ports) knew it. Only the naive and the uninformed think the Crusader Movement (or Bush-Blair war) was about religion. I would have thought the foreign authors with access to all that is written and analyzed would know that. Portuguese wars were not about religion. It was about making money and dominating the lucrative trade from the East; while eliminating existing players. The game-plan was mutual among the warring factions. Regards, GL
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NEW If you receive this more than once, please bear with me. I am understaffed and underpaid, that’s why. *Mining Malaise -2* September 2-8, 2013 Pushpa Iyengar Mining leverage On Thursday, the mother of all rallies was held in the capital where politicians, trade unions and workers came together to get “legal mining” in Goa started soon. Panaji’s Azad Maidan reverberated with “start mining, save Goa” by a huge rally attended by truck owners, barge owners, machinery operators and a slew of others indirectly employed in the mining industry which has been suspended since last September after the M B Shah Commission’s report that mining had bled and plundered Goa to the tune of Rs 35,000 crore (1 crore = 1,00,00,000). But as environmental activist Ramesh Gauns remarked, “Why is it that nobody spoke against the miners and even those who committed illegalities, even without naming them? Is it the environmentalists who are the culprits? It is those who committed the illegalities who have got them into this mess.” Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/lead/366-mining-malaise-2 Pushpa Iyengar *Just desserts * Her warmth and word of mouth have been Melissa’s two secret weapons that have helped her evolve from baking cakes at home 20 years ago to cooking up a storm (five snacks and 12 main courses) when St Teresa School in Vasco celebrated its golden jubilee in 2008 and 1,000 students, former students, teachers and former teachers descended to help celebrate the milestone. “There was a time some years ago I fulfilled a 2,000 cupcake order and it covered virtually every inch of the house, it was unmanageable,” she laughs explaining why she opened her workshop in 2000 on the ground floor of the block of flats she lives in Vasco. Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/travel/371-just-desserts *Mali on their mind* Gita Krishnan When your kid flies the coop, you are entitled to dream big dreams. Perhaps she will make a path-breaking discovery, or find a cure for cancer or build striking architectural marvels. Becoming First Lady of a country rarely, if ever, makes it to that list. Post elections in the West African country of Mali, the Goa-born, Bahrain-bred Marissa Coutinho Samake is no longer a contender to the title – at least not for now. But a few weeks ago it was a very real possibility and it could well turn into a reality in the future of the land-locked sub-Saharan country. Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/writer-s-flow/368-mali-on-their-mind Team GS *Going, Going, Gone* Last week, Goa’s dream of getting Special Status became a blur on the horizon. One input came from Delhi when the Rajya Sabha was unmoved by MP Shantaram Naik’s argument on August 30 that Goa deserves Special Status to restrain migrants from buying land and other properties in Goa and to stop the indiscriminate influx of migrants. Finally, Naik withdrew his private member’s bill, when he got no support from BJP MPs although the BJP government here had unanimously passed a resolution in June demanding Special Status. Talk of politics! Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/contact-us/letters/111-the-week-that-was/372-going-going-gone Team GS *The fading halo* Successive governments have spent millions on junkets for their tourism ministers and tourism department officials on this fanatical mission to sell Goa abroad. The craziest we can think of was Francisco Sardinha’s (he was chief minister then as I recollect) holidaying in Australia a decade or so ago when he shot of this “we need rich tourists to come to Goa” and Victoria Ferenandes’ trip to Nepal some years ago to sell Goa to international tourists. And yes we did say Nepal, it is a country on our northern border which supplies us an endless number of dance girls and so-called Chinese cuisine cooks. But several decades of frenetic travelling by our ministers (one minister even took is his live-in partner) and officials documented in *Lion Roars* Goa (see the archived section) has gone down the drain as they say. Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/bits-bytes/369-not-in-my-backyard-you-won-t *Lion Roars – 21* September 2-8, 2013 *Is the MPT chairman also Goa’s shadow tourism minister?* Has the Mormugao Port Trust (MPT) chairman P Mara Pandiyan totally exceeded his brief as well as his authority because when I last checked Goa had a tourism minister and also a Goa Tourism Development Corporation (GTDC) headed by a chairman, but somehow Pandiyan who incidentally has never complained in the past about his job description, appears to have taken over the jobs of both the tourism minister and GTDC chairman. And no one seems to be complaining. Read Full Story: http://www.goanspirit.com/index.php/lion-roars/lion-roars-2013/367-lion-roars-21 -- Lionel Messias Editor, *Goan Spirit*, *Goa's Spirited Online Weekly Magazine.* ** Website:www.goanspirit.com Worked for the
[Goanet] Indian Male Tourists and their Goa bitches - PHOTO SATIRE
An article in the Guardian last week, about Goa looking to 'ban' low budget British tourists has caused outrage within India. The All India Male Tourist Association (AIMTA) has called the move a violation of their freedom of touch, feel and sight, especially when it comes to the white female tourists on Goa's beaches. What will Indian men do on beaches if the British tourists stop coming? they said in their representation to Goa Tourism. Click link for their end of the story http://www.flickr.com/photos/8028002@N03/9651357261/sizes/k/in/photostream/ -- -- Mayabhushan Nagvenkar 1392, Anjuna, Bardez, Goa pin code 403509 # 7350131007 h http://www.goastreets.comttp://www.penpricks.blogspot.com h http://www.goastreets.com/ttp://www.ardh-satya.blogspot.com
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Europeans of An Other Colour -- Why the Goans are Portuguese (Ferrao Fernandes, Kafila.org)
Yes, Jose, you are right. Of course I was responding to the original article from the British Daily Mail of 13 May 2013 and the excellent response from Ferrao and Fernandes posted in this forum. As a lawyer, I presented the legal position of Portugal, its Portuguese Nationality Law and its validity within the UK and the entire European Union, in response to the xenophobic remarks from Sir Andrew Green who stated that Indians are entering the UK borders through a loophole. It is not a loophole ! This is simply the application of Portuguese Nationality Law together with the exercise of EU rights under the Treaty of Rome which states that any EU citizen has the right to live and work in any EU country. My response serves to emphasize the fact that Goans born before 1961 are still Portuguese citizens today because they never lost citizenship rights according to Portugal. Of course it is entirely up to these Goans if they want to have those citizenship rights recognised by Portugal or not. To some extent, I agree with Mervyn. This is indeed an interesting and most peculiar situation that Portugal granted citizenship rights to Goans born before 1961 ad aeternum and I am not surprised people find it funny, especially people who do not need to avail of those citizenship rights because they already have another citizenship of another western country. Enough said on the matter... Para bom entendedor, meia palavra basta. Best regards Paulo Colaço Dias
[Goanet] Fwd: Press Note For favour of Publication
*Press Note* *For favour of Publication* * * *‘ Mhozo Des Mahan 2013’- Jesus and Mary Sarvajanik High School, Carambolim Lifts the title * ‘ Mhozo Des Mahan-2013’ an Inter School Choreographic dance Competition on Konkani Songs on Patriotism, National Integration and Communal Harmony was organised by Tiatr Academy of Goa on Monday, 26th August 2013 at 10.00 a.m at the Institute Menezes Braganza Auditorium, Panaji wherein 24 Schools from all over Goa took part . The competition was held with the sole intention of promoting and inculcating the love for patriotism, National integration and communal harmony amongst the children through our mother tongue Konkani. The 1st Prize of Rs 7000/- plus a Memento and a Certificate was baged by Jesus and Mary Sarvajanik High School, Carambolim. A.J.de Almeida High School,Ponda and St. Mary’s High School,Varca baged the 2nd and 3rd Prize of Rs 5000/- and 3000/- respectively along with a Memento and a Certificate . Our Lady of the Rosary HighSchool, Donapaula was given a Consolation Prize comprising of a Memento and a Certificate. Supriya Sawant of Vidhya Vihar High School Thana, Cortalim was adjudged the Best Choreographer and was awarded Rs 2000/- plus a Memento and a Certificate. Dr. Wilfred Mesquita, Commissioner, N.R.I Affairs was the Chief Guest on the occasion and presented the Awards in the presence of Shri. Prince Jacob, and Shri.Joe Rose President and Vice President of TAG and Member Secretary Shri.Victor de Sa. The competition was judged by well know personalities from the dance field. Snaden Shawn and Adolfina Abreo. The function was Compered by Shri. Joy Fernandes, Cultural Organizer. *Victor de Sa* *Member Secretary* N.B. Attached photo of 1st Prize Winner.
[Goanet] This was my original article but TOI has edited as per their choice which appeared on 1.9.2013 (Sunday) and Goanet has taken over the same article in their Issue 606. Now I am forwarding my o
MARINAS IN GOA COURTESY OF GOA GOVERNMENT BY: Stephen Dias, D.Paula The news item in Times of India dated 26th August, 2013 , that the M.P.T has doctored an Environmental Impact Assessment report suggesting that the Chicalim Bay is good for Marinas clearly indicates a match fixing carried out in this regards with the covert cooperation of the Member-Secretary of Goa State Biodiversity Board, Mr. Nitin Sawant. Interestingly, Nitin Sawant organised a Biodiversity Board sponsored program at the M.P.T Conference hall at Marmagoa on early August. During the above program, the Environment Minister Alina Saldanha was the Chief Guest and the closeness of members of the Biodiversity Board seemed clearly visible. Surely, there would be a fake encounter by the representative of biodiversity board and a symbolic resistance, which would enable the M.P.T to come up with the Marina project, since the mole in the GSBB is actively working against the interest of Goan biodiversity by hobnobbing directly with the M.P.T authorities in carrying out programs at the M.P.T premises, which is totally against public sentiments. Earlier the Chief Minister, showed the Goans that he was against the casinos. Today giant casinos like the Horseshoe are in the Mandovi River. Similarly Alina Saldanha is shouting hoarse against the Marinas but is actively working with the M.P.T conducting school children programs at the MPT premises. Let us have Marinas in Goa seems to be the call in the name of green Vasco as the label. The serile and ineffective office staff officials under the command of the Minister of Environment and Forest as well as members of the GSBB seem to be in deep sleep. While Goan Forests seas and sweet water suffers from plumber and pollution. On my own, I have single handedly confronted the M.P.T in terms of their dubious activities, directed towards destruction of the Goan environment. I have been involved infighting MPT since the tenure of ex-Chairman Praveen Agarwal. Personally I have alerted the Minister of Forest about the destructive abilities of the Member Secretary of GSBB. Whose appointment as well as his fat salary is illegal as well as a drain on Goan economy. Like the casinos, the marinas would make their presence in Goa, since Alina Saldanha has shown her at the premises of M.P.T, which any Goan with common sense detest and shun as “not in Goan Interest”. Will Alina, stand up to Matanhy Saldanha’s legacy or fall a prey to the guile's of M.P.T will be soon out. Are the Board members of GSBB truly interested or behave like Richard D’Sousa one member of the GSBB who is responsible amongst others for the spread of illegal mining in forest land and their destruction in Goa, he being a Forest Department official! Stephen Dias, D.Paula Retd NIO Scientist Mob: 9422443110
[Goanet] Mull ani Bull
Dear Marshall, I do not know about Poona, but I cannot agree with you that there is no casteism among Goan Christians in Bombay. I have lived in Bombay among Goans hailing from all parts of Goa at the Goan Society Bldg., Chira Bazar. Your challenge that I should show you one sentence in the Bible to the effect that Christianity recognises castes is just ridiculous, to say the least. Please note that (1) the last word in the Bible was written not later than the first century AD and, although the Caste system has been prevalent in India for a few millennia, the word caste itself was not used in this sense earlier than in the sixteenth century, (2) everything mentioned in the Bible relates to the region of West Asia, Egypt and Rome; there is no connection with India where the system was prevalent, (3) going by your logic, one could claim that Mass, Eucharist, confession etc. are not recognised by Christianity, since these words too do not find mention in the Bible. You say that the Christian community is fighting for parity in economic benefits and assistance to all dalits irrespective of religion. How is this possible in relation to Christian dalits? For example, how do you identify a Christian dalit? On what basis would you put a tag of Christian dalit on a Goan Christian Mahar whose forefathers were converted in the sixteenth century? Your statement, “Nowhere has it been claimed that there are castes in christianity as you have erroneously surmised. So far as the Church is concerned, it is obvious that the Church is seized of the issue and is working towards total eradication.” is self-contradictory. How can one eradicate something that does not exist in the first place? Have you heard of Confrarias in Goan Churches? Do you know that membership of these bodies is strictly caste-based? Or is it your contention that churches are distinct from Christianity? Why did it take the Church over four centuries to be seized of a “non-existent” issue? The elevation of a dalit to the position of Archbishop of Hyderabad is nothing to gloat about, but what is galling is that this appointment was opposed by his predecessor who had scaled the highest rung in the episcopal hierarchy. Also that a priest should have predicted that the new Archbishop would not last more than five years. And he did not do just a fairly good but an excellent job. You are harping on “influence of hindutva forces” but no evidence is forthcoming. When I talked of influence of Christian members you wanted documentary proof. But, for your contention no such proof is considered necessary!!! What you “reliably understand’ is valid proof but published work cited by others carries no weight!! Chinese Whispers? If Articles 25 30 have nothing to do with reservations or benefits for dalit christians, why did you bring them here at all? Is it difficult to understand that the Christian representatives did not (or could not) ask for any benefits to be specifically given to Christian dalits for the simple reason that Christianity does not recognise castes? How could they possibly ask for benefits to a “non-existent” group? You are asking a rhetoric question: “If dalit christians were excluded by the Constitution what was the need for this Order?” I think you will have to first prove that they were in fact not excluded by the Constitution. Please do so. Your statement, I am afraid neither you nor Santosh have been able to provide documentaryevidence to support your contention that the Christian representatives did not press for protection of dalit christians. From all evidence so far the contrary is proved does not pass muster. Please provide the evidence to show that they did, in fact, press for protection of *Dalit Christians*/*Scheduled Caste Christians*/*Oppressed Christians*. Regards, Sebastian Borges On 1 Sep 2013 Marshall Mendonza mmendonz...@gmail.com wrote: Dear Prof Borges I am in total agreement with you when you state that casteism is practised in the Church in certain parts of India. So far as Tamil Nadu is concerned I have heard about it first hand from priests and nuns who have worked there as from the media. So far as Goa Is concerned, I admit my ignorance as I have never lived there except for short holidays but I have heard about stray cases. In Poona where I grew up, it was non-existent. So too in Bombay where I have been living for the past 19 years. I stand by my statement that when Fr Jerome stated that Christianity does not recognize castes, he was making a factual statement. If you can show me one sentence from the Bible which shows that Christianity recognises castes, I am willing to rescind my views. One needs to make a distinction between what religion stands for and what are some deviations in the practice of the religion on the ground. Any person who has a fairly good knowledge of India's social structure will understand that it is not only hinduism that has been been plaqued by casteism. Even egalitarian
[Goanet] Dona Paula (Donpalkarancho Ekvott)
Update Aug 2013 pics and video blog http://joegoauk.blogspot.in/2011/08/dona-paula-hotspot-for-bollywood-film.html video 30.8.13 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pvz0ntfW5SU Jet Ski / Water Scooter. Rs. 300/ride/person http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/964995/in/photostream/ A view of the Chapel from the Jetty where Feast is celebrated on 8th Sept every year http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646710091/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649935508/in/photostream/ The Jetty http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649928302/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649820698/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646580817/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649802804/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646564907/in/photostream/ Flowers Hibiscus /Doxinn http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649921658/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649914678/in/photostream/ Stairs to the top http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646674927/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646670267/in/photostream/ Dangerous Stunt photography http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646663575/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649853674/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646616935/in/photostream/ View from the Top http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646656641/in/photostream/ The Sculpture often mistaken as Dona Paula so, it's wrong to say this crow is sitting on Dona Paula http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649875758/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649883462/in/photostream/ Fishing / angling from below / rocks http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646635589/in/photostream/ A view of a cross http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646627973/in/photostream/ Big brother watching – Camera or CCTV A crow nest also seen http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649845278/in/photostream/ Broken railings that need Govt. attention, look at the cable pipe http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646607995/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646600075/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649826278/in/photostream/ Rusted poles http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649808266/in/photostream/ Stray dogs http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649790728/in/photostream/ Jet Ski dock http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649784044/in/photostream/ hilly view http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649775980/in/photostream/ A view from the beach Hawaii http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9645140310/in/photostream/ Donpalkarancho Ekvott It may be reminded that All Vendors / Hawkers business activities at the Jetty are strictly run by the local people only. No outsiders or migrants allowed, so you will see no bhelpuri etc. When we last visited on 30th Aug. at 5pm, I was surprised to see no business activity at on. not even baked corn, singham ice scream etc. First, I thought they may be on strike something but inquiry at the Lifeguard tower, we were told Novenas of Our Lady of Vailankini going on at a chapel at Hawaii beach, seen opp Jetty (see pic). We were also told they are open half day only during morning. Novena timing being in the evening around 5pm, they decided to shut down the market for half day until 8th Sept. ? I guess, that's the Goan way of doing business Near the water sports /Ski counter, there is one shop which also sell samosas 2 for Rs.25 (The same shape/size one can get at KTC Panjim for Rs.6 each) Market. Shops Half days for 10 days closed preparation for the feast 30th Aug – 8th Sept every year? http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9645134632/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9641893139/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9645124300/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9641864741/in/photostream/ Singham Ice cream or Singham Masala, Lime soda etc also not available http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9645118704/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9641875303/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9641870207/in/photostream/ More pics and videos on Dona Paula, Singham film shoot etc visit here http://joegoauk.blogspot.in/2011/08/dona-paula-hotspot-for-bollywood-film.html Extra: Fr. Conceicao D'silva back from States? Preaching during the Novena at the Chapel, Hawaii beach, Dona Paula http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646732145/sizes/c/in/photostream/ the Chapel etc http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646722065/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9649960212/in/photostream/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/joegoauk70/9646737169/in/photostream/ joego...@yahoo.co.uk for Goa NRI related info... http://in.groups.yahoo.com/group/GOAN-NRI/
[Goanet] Mull ani Bull
Response; 1.If the poster chooses to live in denial of the evidence furnished by me in the documents provided by Prof Borges just because they are unpalatable to him and do not support his views, there is nothing more we can do about it. He is free to live in his world of dreams and fantasy. Who are we to deny him his enjoyment? 2. secondly, his asking me to provide historical evidence of my owns views ( which in his bird brained and juvenile way chooses to call speculations) should count as the Joke of the Month. All the evidence has already been provided in my previous posts from the documents which Prof Borges himself submitted. If he wants to a blind eye to them, we cannot help it. When he is cornered and unable to provide documentary evidence to support his Chinese Whispers akin quotes, in the ways of a canny and wily politician he tries to pass the buck and wants me to provide evidence to the contrary. It is like asking an innocent man to prove that he is not guilty. When he provided the quotes, he ought to be able to support them with evidence. Why is it so difficult for him to do so if he is confident in the source of his information? 3. I have placed before the poster several questions in my previous post. Why does the poster shy away and develop cold feet in answering them. Resorting to rhetoric and bombast is no substitute for sound argument. I repeat them again for his benefit: Quote: 3. If, for the sake of argument, we accept that Fr Jerome and Prof Mookerjee did press for not extending economic and social benefits to dalit christians during the debates or in the run up to the adoption of the Constitution, why was the Constitution adopted with the safeguards intact? Why was the Presidential Order issued barely 7 MONTHS later which excluded all other religions except hindus from availing of the benefits? What transpired during the intervening period from 26th January 1950 to 9th August 1950 for this Presidential Order to be issued? 4. Santosh has quoted M Madhu Chandra as saying: QUOTE In 1950 upon the representation of Christian leaders for not including Scheduled Caste Christians in Constitution (Scheduled Caste) Order 1950, the assurance from then the Prime Minister and President via letter dated 7 November 1950 and 17 December 1950 respectively were given. UNQUOTE ..M. Madhu Chandra If the dalit christians were excluded based on the representation of Christian leaders, a) why did the Christian leaders protest and make a representation to the Prime Minister after the Presidential Order was issued? b) Why did the PM and President have to give any assurances? c) What were these assurances? d) Is it possible to access these two letters of 7 November 1950 and 17 December 1950? They would shed much light. I look forward to Santosh throwing more light rather than heat on this subject. When I ask these questions it is more with a keenness to acquire more knowledge rather than proving that I am right or the poster wrong. regards, Marshall * * *I am sorry I cannot do anything about the fact that the respondent below continues to engage in rhetoric and insults. I am interested in knowing how the constitutional notion of Scheduled Castes and tribes came into being in Indian history. In response to the said respondent's prior rhetorical question, Prof. Borges provided factual information and links to two debates of the Constituent Assembly. I provided facts reported by three genuinely well-informed professionals of different backgrounds, based on their own independent research - the first a Jesuit priest, scholar and professor (Fr. Izzo), the second a human rights activist (Madhu Chandra) and the third a journalist (Sunil Dasgupta). From the standpoint of an objective rational person all this information would be much more trustworthy and reliable compared to the long-winded interpretations, speculations, insinuations and rhetorical questions contained in the respondent's latest post appended below, especially, given the fact that the claims in his earlier posts in this thread were shown to be false. Therefore, in order to properly stack up his credibility against that of Fr. Izzo, Chandra and Dasgupta, I would kindly request him to provide historical evidence to support his own prior and current speculations. Now as far as my own task and interest are concerned I have accessed information that answers the following questions: 1. Were Dalits belonging to Christian and other religious minorities ever included in the Scheduled Castes list at any time before the Presidential Order of 1950, as the respondent seems to imply? 2. Did the Christian members of the Constituent Assembly petition, lobby, ask or insist that Dalit Christians be included in the Scheduled Castes list drawn up in the Presidential Order of 1950? (Did they object to, or recognize as unfair, the fact that Dalit Christians were not included in the Scheduled Castes list at any time before or after the Presidential
Re: [Goanet] DEBATE: Europeans of An Other Colour -- Why the Goans are Portuguese (Ferrao Fernandes, Kafila.org)
On 2 September 2013 07:46, Paulo Colaco Dias paul...@hotmail.com wrote: My response serves to emphasize the fact that Goans born before 1961 are still Portuguese citizens today because they never lost citizenship rights according to Portugal. COMMENT: And you are absolutely right, Paulo. What surprised me was that Mervyn made that particular comment.I thought Mervyn (as a Canadian citizen) would have known that in many countries, a person remains a citizen until he renounces it. But then, it is possible that ALL individuals from the erstwhile UK colonies in Africa/China did not have full UK nationality. The following links provide procedures to renounce Canadian and US citizenship respectively http://www.cic.gc.ca/english/information/applications/renounce.asp http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_776.html The same wrt Portugal So, it is quite possible that Goa has been/still is being led by Portuguese citizens despite India having annexed it in 1961 jc
[Goanet] Mull ani Bull
Mervyn Lobo: There is no casteism in the Bible. Caste, in Indian Christianity, is a purely Hindu hangover. Anyone who practices it, cannot be a follower of Christ. Response: I knew an intelligent person like you would have understood the message. Only two corrections need to be made in your above response- one, there is no caste in Christianity ( the Bible is the Holy Book) and two, caste is a hangover only in certain SECTIONS of Indian Christians. I would not make a blanket statement. I have never experienced or encountered casteism ever in Poona where I grew up and now in Bombay where I live. I guess it is unique only in certain places. Your last sentence is on the dot. Regards, Marshall
Re: [Goanet] Mull ani Bull
On 2 September 2013 08:02, Sebastian Borges s_m_bor...@yahoo.com wrote: 'Dear Marshall, I do not know about Poona, but I cannot agree with you that there is no casteism among Goan Christians in Bombay' COMMENT: Having lived and studied in Poona, I can say that I KNOW about Poona. I can safely state that I did NOT know about caste among the Poona Goan Catholics. I agree absolutely with Marshall. I am sure that Marshall will agree with me that our school St. Vincents remains the best. We did not even bother about the religion of our classmates. All that IMHO started when the SS and BJP used religion to push their political agenda; similar to the MGP Of course, I cannot comment about the 16th century. I was not around at that time. jc
[Goanet] NEIL RANGEL: ALTERNATIVE VIEW[Goanet-News] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views of the mainstream media. (Dr Eddie D'Sa)
KINDLY PUBLISH MY ALTERNATIVE TAKE ON THIS SUBJECT THANK YOU NEIL DE JESUS RANGEL While I don’t have access to the original article that quoted Mr Andrew Green ; it seems that everyone has missed the point of this concerned British man. This issue may not be so much of xenophobia or British imperialism but rather of being overwhelmed by potentially culturally incompatible outsiders with another trait - dubious loyalty to their own passport-country Portugal. Why blame the British. They don’t want any more outsiders; just as much and the way regionalists in different regions within India don’t like outsiders from other states coming in and settling down. Goa is no exception; no marks for guessing the most derogatory term used by Goans for the outsiders from other states. While the historical facts are correct that Goa is indeed an annexed Portuguese territory; the fact remains that a reasonable number are abusing the facility of Portuguese citizenship. Does anyone have statistics of how many Goans who gain Portuguese citizenship, actually settle down in Portugal and contribute to the economy of that country. If wanting to settle down in the UK or any EU country by using their Portuguese passports is what they want; then the intention is clearly malafide and an abuse. There could be a large number of those who are abusing the new gotten Portuguese passport just for their own convenience and economic interests, have never been to Portugal and couldn’t care less about or have any loyalty to that nation. I suppose this is the real issue.Although it must be said that Goan Catholics easily integrate into Western societies quickly because of their Portuguese cultural heritage. The other issue: why on earth do many Goans want a Portuguese passport. Can't they just retain their Indian passports. They don't necessarily have to work in Goa or in India. They can depend upon their own skills and qualifications to further their own interests, wherever in the world, like many of us do.. On Mon, 2/9/13, Goanet Reader goanetrea...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: [Goanet-News] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views of the mainstream media. (Dr Eddie D'Sa) To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Monday, 2 September, 2013, 3:34 AM By Dr. Eddie D'Sa gdig...@btinternet.com Benedito Ferrao and Jason Fernandes[1] deserve all praise for a fitting and timely response to the allegations made by Andrew Green, chair of Migration Watch. They have stated their case persuasively and in clear and crisp academic prose -- rare among Goan writers. [The subject title may be a bit misleading though: if Goans are Portuguese, they are so only by virtue of citizenship (passport), not ethnicity. Right?] Sir Andrew, a former ambassador to Saudi Arabia, is the favoured migration expert for the Tories who quote copiously from his reports and pronouncements. He belongs to that select band of Little Englanders and Empire cheerleaders who have never come to terms with the loss of Empire and with subsequent presence of black and Asian migrants in the 'green and pleasant land'. * As for the media, the tabloids (Daily Mail, Express, Star, Sun), all owned by Rightwing billionaires, are generally, and often virulently, anti-immigration and anti-asylum. They have often made biased and inflammatory statements knowing well they can get away with it. In fact, the government (especially Downing Street and the Home Office) is said to be in thrall to the tabloids and reportedly used them from to time as conduits for leaks of harsh laws in the pipeline. [See APPENDIX for more on the tabloids.] * Ferrao and Fernandes write: As Goan academics, there is a need to redress such misrepresentations and firmly call out the Anglo-centric interpretation of colonialism... I heartily agree. Unfortunately, for too long, the Goan community, and even the elites, do not have the intellectual resources to confront the mainstream media and present their own case. They have sought safety in their feasts, religious rituals, community celebrations with song and dance * Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views put forward by the mainstream media. Mind you, if they did write and state their side of the argument to a mainstream paper, the letter would probably be binned. The media cling to the official view and allow no contrary position in general. There are no wide circulation Leftwing papers in Britain for an alternative perspectives. They will fail to
[Goanet] An aspect in psychology
This govt has systematically broken the spine of the country, here let me present an illustration.. An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had recently failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Congress food security bill will work and that no one would sleep without food . The professor then said, OK, we will have an experiment in this class on congress plan. All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A (that means tax collected from us will be used for food security bill expensed. i.e equally distribution ). After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little. The second test average was a D! No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F. As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else. To their great surprise, ALL FAILED and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great, but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed. These are possibly the 5 best sentences you'll ever read and all applicable to this experiment: 1. You cannot legislate the poor into prosperity by legislating the wealthy out of prosperity. 2. What one person receives without working for, another person must work for without receiving. 3. The government cannot give to anybody anything that the government does not first take from somebody else. 4. You cannot multiply wealth by dividing it! 5. When half of the people get the idea that they do not have to work because the other half is going to take care of them, and when the other half gets the idea that it does no good to work because somebody else is going to get what they work for, that is the beginning of the end of any nation Dr. Ferdinando dos Reis Falcão.
[Goanet] India's crisis within a crisis; FM fights on two fronts
Chidambaram's ultimate failure to win colleagues around - despite his famed eloquence - is emblematic of the predicament he faces. If any member in Goanet wants to read more on this click the link provided below: http://www.business-standard.com/article/economy-policy/india-s-crisis-withi n-a-crisis-fm-fights-on-two-fronts-113090200068_1.html
Re: [Goanet] NEIL RANGEL: ALTERNATIVE VIEW[Goanet-News] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views of the mainstream media. (Dr Eddie D'Sa)
-Original Message- From: neil rangel While I don’t have access to the original article that quoted Mr Andrew Green ; it seems that everyone has missed the point of this concerned British man. Response: Goan Voice carried a report on 13 May 2013 with links to: 1. The Daily Star article 2. The Daily Mail article 3. The 441 comments made by readers in the Daily Mail website 4. A video clip of the immigration debate between Sir Andrew Green and Keith Vaz 5. The statement made in the House of Commons ten years ago regarding Goans with Portuguese nationality entering the UK Go to http://www.goanvoice.org.uk/printerfile.php?link=2013-05-13 And congratulations to Bene and Jason for the judicious response. Eddie Fernandes www.goanvoice.org.uk
[Goanet] Let us march together to destroy the Aadhaar card!
http://bharatmukti.blogspot.in/2013/09/let-us-march-together-to-destroy.html Hindustan Petroleum Company is confronted on the issue of making Aadhaar card compulsory for the disbursement of subsidies to its customers. In a sms communication initiated by Cliffton de Souza of Velim, Salcete, Goa on 31st August 2013, Hindustan Petroleum’s officer based in Kundaim, Ponda Mr.Arvind Singh has requested to ignore the reports appearing in Herald dated 24th August 2013 that quoted Indian Parliamentary Affairs Minister Rajiv Sukla’s statement on the floor of the Rajya Sabha that there is no need of Aadhaar card to avail subsidy for LPG cylinders, and in case any Nationalized companies are doing so then they will be corrected. This point to be noted by all concerned mulnivasis. Its trap laid down for the mulnivasis by the Bamons. Be aware of Bamons. Don’s be fools. Hindustan petroleum instead of getting corrected has opted to forcefully ignore the decision of the Parliamentary Affairs Minister Rajiv Shukla. This is indeed very serious matter. It involves issues of disobedience to the Parliament under which the Petroleum companies were created as legal entities few decades ago. Now the Hindustan Petroleum is in open revolt against the Indian Parliament. This is a direct revolt against the Indian democracy. This revolt signifies the collusion of Hindustan Petroleum Company with the agents of Bamon Raj and Manusmriti dedicated to destruction of Parliamentary democracy in India. If the decision of the Minister taken in Rajya Sabha is flouted by the company in this manner then this company is tearing apart the democracy. This is indeed very serious betrayal of the Indian Constitution that never placed any company above Indian Parliament. Ignoring the Minister’s decision and going about implementing Aadhaar cards even without Parliament passing of law for this purpose is serious transgression on the Indian democracy. Bharat Mukti Morcha does not tolerate such transgressions and condemns the Hindustan Petroleum Company totally for its revolt against Indian Parliament. It is indeed very absurd decision on the part of Hindustan Petroleum Company to ignore Parliament. Is this what democracy means? Democracy means for the people, by the people and of the people. This behavior of Hindustan Petroleum Company is totally against Mulnivasi people of India. Do register your protest against the decision of the Hindustan Petroleum Company to ignore the decision of the Indian Parliament. Do register your protest at various outlets of the company all over Goa and also register your written protests on the complaint book available with the various agencies of the Company. Remember Aadhaar cards in India are being enforced without any law. Hence they are illegal and anti-constitutional. Resist them. This National Identification Authority Bill in this regard of Aadhaar card is not passed by Indian Parliament. Only Bamon Digambar Kamat, earlier Chief minister of Goa was the first CM to sign MoU with another Bamon Nandan Nilekani, Chairperson, Unique Identification Authority of India. Present Chief minister bamon Manohar Parrikar said “since substantial money has been spent on the project I would like to derive maximum benefits from the unique number in such a manner that beneficiary oriented schemes are linked to UID. This would facilitate in plugging leakages and possible corrupt practices and help in effective implementation of the schemes. To begin with a few of the schemes like Dayanand Social Security Scheme, Ration cards in Public Distribution System etc will be linked to UID.” Knowing fully that Parliament has not passed the law Goa CM Manohar Parrikar is deliberately and compulsorily forcing people into Aadhaar card trap. It is completely wrong to do so, we as individuals has freedom of privacy covered under Right to Life Article 21 of the Indian Constitution written by Dr.Babasaheb Ambedkar. Aadhaar card is infringement on our fundamental right to life. Local daily Herald dated 1st September 2013 published advertisement from Department of Civil Supplies and Consumer Affairs with a heading “Kind attention: Ration Card holders of Bardez taluka”. The has the introduction as follows “The Department of Civil Supplies and Consumer Affairs is in process of verification of digitized Ration Card Data for issue of Smart Cart Ration Card for Bardez Taluka on pilot basis.” The notice has nine points. Point number 2 states that on form to be filled “enter the details of Voter’s Card and Aadhaar/Enrolment ID number for each of the family member on the form.” Then point number six states that “Submit the self attested photocopies of the existing ration cards, Aadhaar (UID/EID), Voters ID (EPIC), wherever it is not available for any members submit details of available family members”. These are the consequences of the Aadhaar card and there are no benefits at all. It is not compulsory. In fact
[Goanet] Link to the Video recording of the talk on 1st September by Teesta Setalvad uploaded on Youtube
Hi All, Here is the link to the video recording of the talk by Teesta Setalvad on The Politics of Development on 1st September, uploaded on Youtube. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b1pL16UJcFo Regards, albertina -- (M) 09326137682 “We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them.” - Albert Einstein
[Goanet] Goa news for September 3, 2013
Goa News from Google News and Goanet.org Visit http://www.goanet.org/newslinks.php for the full stories. *** Why Goa is looking to go upmarket and banish Brits and backpackers - The Guardian ime state, the hedonistic hippy haven whose promises of sun, sand, cheap beer and drugs transformed it into a magnet for backpackers and budget tourists looking for an alternative to the Spanish costas. With the collapse of the ... http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNFnURC2aQuecg9QBwjy60tcNiQ9_gurl=http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/sep/01/goa-banish-brits-backpackers *** Arrested in Goa for immoral trafficking, SP MLA gets bail - Indian Express c_0Q http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEvgASDCqFxAZEP3ifp3nKKhqnY1Qurl=http://www.indianexpress.com/news/arrested-in-goa-for-immoral-trafficking-sp-mla-gets-bail/1163501/ *** Goa freedom fighters against Lusofonia Games in state - Economic Times onomic TimesPANAJI: Freedom fighters from Goa have expressed their resentment over hosting of the Portuguese Commonwealth Games, popularly known as Lusofonia Games, saying the event reminds people of the oppressive Portuguese regime they faced. Few of the ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEaEf_26nuo85jbeqNibe8FgcJZwAurl=http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/politics-and-nation/goa-freedom-fighters-against-lusofonia-games-in-state/articleshow/5031.cms *** HUDCO financial aid to Goa - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: HUDCO has committed financial assistance of 2,130.91 crore to 40 housing and infrastructure projects with total project cost of 2,853.72 crore in Goa, Union minister for housing and urban poverty alleviation, Girija Vyas told Goa Rajya Sabha ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHxXnnWJIJvFbYYsS_SJY4V8pRUXgurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/HUDCO-financial-aid-to-Goa/articleshow/22219905.cms *** Goa likely to replicate Maharashtra higher education bill - Times of India mes of IndiaThe state has been hunting for a legislation based on which Goa can frame its own law, with the state directorate of higher education receiving many complaints of fake institutes setting up shop in the state. Goa even explored the possibility of ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNHF17WDMvR7sBXlHZxL3pwYtmDaagurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-likely-to-replicate-Maharashtra-higher-education-bill/articleshow/22219871.cms *** Amul enters Goa with fresh milk, introduces three variants - Times of India Amul - is launching fresh milk in Goa. Anand-headquartered Gujarat Co-operative Milk Marketing Federation (GCMMF) which markets Amul brand will be launching three variants in Goa market from ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNG_b6ple8TgFY2hxetBxbZ_ktnNmQurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/business/india-business/Amul-enters-Goa-with-fresh-milk-introduces-three-variants/articleshow/22230610.cms *** UP legislator gets bail in Goa dance bar case - The New Indian Express e New Indian ExpressA Samajwadi Party legislator from Uttar Pradesh, arrested here last week during a raid on a dance bar, was granted bail Monday. The legislator from Sitapur, Mahendra Singh, who was arrested with five other accomplices, will, however, have to report to ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNGVdy9RTkO4XBscFYyyJqhi8E8CjAurl=http://newindianexpress.com/nation/UP-legislator-gets-bail-in-Goa-dance-bar-case/2013/09/02/article1764470.ece *** Goa government's draft policy's 5 jobs unemployable - Times of India rBPDIOMned=us http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNElN1149AhrBJ8sqLc8yd8NwRK85Qurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Goa-governments-draft-policys-5-jobs-unemployable/articleshow/22240396.cms *** Five new paramedical courses started in Goa medical college - Times of India mes of IndiaPANAJI: Goa chief minister Manohar Parrikar on Monday launched five paramedical courses in the Goa medical college and announced plans to set up an independent institute for these courses in the near future. Parrikar said paramedical courses are the ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNEXTsx8MM7c7OUUYS55QcsiwOLMdwurl=http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/city/goa/Five-new-paramedical-courses-started-in-Goa-medical-college/articleshow/22231709.cms *** Goa villagers oppose technology institute in forest - Firstpost rstpostCuncolim (Goa), Sep 2 (IANS) Residents of this south Goa village have cobbled up an action committee to campaign against a proposed National Institute of Technology (NIT) in Cuncolim, 40 km from the state capital. The Cuncolim Citizens' Action ...a class= http://news.google.com/news/url?sa=tfd=Rusg=AFQjCNETy0AS8a2PAqHOduX5MNb3zTrn2gurl=http://www.firstpost.com/fwire/goa-villagers-oppose-technology-institute-in-forest-1080225.html?utm_source=fwireutm_medium=hp Compiled by Goanet News Service
Re: [Goanet] NEIL RANGEL: ALTERNATIVE VIEW[Goanet-News] Rarely has the Goan Diaspora challenged the biased views of the mainstream media. (Dr Eddie D'Sa)
Dear Neil, First of all, I'd like to thank you for your presentation. I also enjoyed reading from Jason and Eddie D'Sa Two preliminary comments: a: It is nicely written b: Always a pleasure to read from newer and younger minds. May more flow from your e-pen. Allow me, however, to suggest where I might differ from your presentation and your quasi-defence of Mr. Green: Neil 1: This issue may not be so much of xenophobia or British imperialism but rather of being overwhelmed by potentially culturally incompatible outsiders with another trait - dubious loyalty to their own passport-country Portugal jc1: (a) When one considers the total population of the UK, is the number of the Portuguese Goans overwhelming? (b) How do we know that these Goans have dubious loyalty towards Portugal? (c) Are ALL the British loyal to Britain? Are ALL Indian citizens loyal to India? How does one quantify Loyalty? == Neil 2: Why blame the British. They don’t want any more outsiders; just as much and the way regionalists in different regions within India don’t like outsiders from other states coming in and settling down. jc 2: One can understand the distrust one might have of folks who are different. That is normal human behaviour. However, Britain has a CHOICE if it does not want any more Euro-outsiders to settle in Britain. It has only to walk out of the European Union. Let's remember: Britain is not one of the founder members of the EU-precursor. It joined Europe in 1973 and even had a referendum in 1975 to stay in Europe. BUT, it can still walk out. == Neil 3: Goa is no exception jc 3: Perhaps. But Goa's case is diametrically opposite when compared to Britain's (a) Goa did not sign up to join anybody (like Britain did) (b) The Goans migrating to Britain: Population of Britain ratio is vastly different from the ratio of Migrants entering Goa:Population of Goa. (c) To the best of my knowledge, Goans are NOT squatting and filthifying Britain. Can one say the same about the migrants entering daily into Goa? (d) Britain has the option of walking out of Europe. Does Goa have that option of walking out of India? == Neil 4: If wanting to settle down in the UK or any EU country by using their Portuguese passports is what they want; then the intention is clearly malafide and an abuse. jc 4: You might be confusing nationality with just passports. The fact is that Goans are entitled to their Portuguese citizenship - as a right. And as Portuguese citizens, they have certain rights including Free Movement within Europe and Visa waivers to many countries incl US, Canada and Australia. Where is the 'malafide and abuse'? As I said before: ALL Britain or any other country has to do is Leave Europe or Cancel bilateral agreements. == Neil 5: why on earth do many Goans want a Portuguese passport. Can't they just retain their Indian passports. They don't necessarily have to work in Goa or in India. They can depend upon their own skills and qualifications to further their own interests, wherever in the world, like many of us do.. jc 5: I cannot answer for others. I personally believe that every adult has a right to chart his or her own course. As long as they do not harm another by charting that course, I support their right to exercise their free will. There are many who just might suggest that we should all live at home (in our parental home) and also help the poor in our villages + work in the rice fields instead of working in offices here and there. I remind myself that NOT every one who retains/regains/reaffirms Portuguese nationality, does so for the purpose of benefits or jobs etc. In general: there are many (non-financial) reasons why an individual decides to give up a particular citizenship and opt for another. They are probably similar to the reasons why others decide NOT to give up a particular citizenship Thanks for an interesting post. It certainly helped me say my piece on the matter. jc
