Re: [Goanet] [GRN] Goan food in Bassein

[Eugene Correia]

Is it not "noteres", the Portuguese Christians. During the Golden Jubilee
of Queen Victoria, these Christians asked the British to be called "East
Indians." Even children of mixed parentage, Indo-British, in Madras, now
Chennai, and Calcutta now Kolkata, were called East Indians, then later
they began calling themselves Anglo-Indianns.

Eugene

On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 6:36 AM 'eric pinto' via Goa-Research-Net <
goa-research-...@googlegroups.com> wrote:

>
>
> The women who sold us bananas would ask us to take in their children and
> we did. Thanks to them I am fluent in
> Marathi. I hope the English contamination has not arrived in Bassein.
> Every Parish Priest was a Goan sixty years ago and my father would
> call it a shame. He saw them as mercenaries.
> I am glad there now are native priests and two bishops.
> I hope the fields survive in the community. And their homes.
> There used to be an available supply of priests from Goa in Bombay to
> supply to Chaul. When Peter Gomes retired
> ( he is buried in Chorao ) the replacement could not preach in Portuguese:
> they rose and protested in the church. Valerian
> closed the premises and deprived them of services for several months. Sad
> because they had clung to the language for
> four hundred years under British rule. They proudly called themselves
> Norteiros.
>  I do hope you make it to Papdi and Remedy and Merces.
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021, 01:08:31 AM EST, Aloysius D'Souza <
> smhsda...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks for the invitation --  would love to accept   --  except that I now
> live in Goa .
>  This will entice me to go to Mumbai and visit Vassai
> Aloysius
>
> On Tue, Mar 2, 2021 at 9:21 AM eric pinto  wrote:
>
> I wonder if an East Indian place exists.   Also spend a thousand or two at
> the Goan, will send you the cash.
>
>
> 
>
> Goan food in VASAI
>
>
> https://youtu.be/CR-OZDYEoII
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[Goanet] new nationalism

[Eugene Correia]

March/April 2019 Issue 
What’s Inside

Nationalism drove some of the greatest crimes in history. Now it's back
with a vengeance.
By Gideon Rose 






The nation-state is so dominant today that it seems natural. But no
political arrangements are natural, and any concept with a hyphen has a
fault line running through it by definition. States are sovereign political
structures. Nations are unified social groups. What does each owe the other?

The claims of the state are obvious: it has a host of practical
responsibilities and legions of technocrats working to satisfy them. But
the claims of the nation are less clear, and they come with ugly echoes.
The advocacy of those claims—nationalism—drove some of the greatest crimes
in history. And so the concept became taboo in polite society, in hopes
that it might become taboo in practice, as well. Yet now it has come back
with a vengeance. Here, a dazzling collection of writers explain what’s
happening and why.

Jill Lepore opens with a bravura survey

of
two and a half centuries of American national consciousness. Today’s
challenge, she argues, is not to resist nationalism but to reappropriate it.

Kwame Anthony Appiah tackles the supposed incompatibility
of
nationalism and cosmopolitanism, which he claims is based on a
misunderstanding, since cosmopolitans believe in the possibility of
multiple nested identities.

Andreas Wimmer notes that distinguishing good, civic nationalism from bad,
ethnic nationalism is largely unhelpful,
 since
the two share so many assumptions. For him as well, the contemporary battle
is not to fight nationalism but to promote inclusive versions of it.

Jan-Werner Müller argues that the true challenge comes not from nationalism
per se but from a particular populist variant
. The best response is
to avoid getting distracted and focus on delivering practical results.

Robert Sapolsky offers a depressing take on nationalism’s cognitive enablers
. When it
comes to group belonging, humans don’t seem too far from chimpanzees:
people are comfortable with the familiar and bristle at the unfamiliar.
Taming our aggressive tendencies requires swimming upstream.

Yael Tamir suggests that the main problem
today
is a clash between nationalism and neoliberal globalism
.
Nationalists want states to intervene in the market to defend their
citizens; their opponents favor freer trade and freer movement of people.
Jack Snyder concurs, suggesting that the proper response is to allow
governments greater freedom to manage capitalism
. And
Lars-Erik Cederman shows that rising ethnic nationalism has usually been
followed by violent upheavals,
 so keeping things
peaceful down the road will be difficult.

Nationalism’s largely unpredicted resurgence is sobering. But these essays
left me hopeful, because they show a way out. Underneath all the theory and
history and science, everything boils down to politics. Leaders and
governments need to produce real solutions to real problems. If they don’t,
their disaffected publics will look for answers elsewhere. It’s as simple
as that.

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Re: [Goanet] The late John D'Souza

[Eugene Correia]

Merwyn, yiu are writing as a friend. Few hours ago I came from the Mass and the 
reception, while his cremation was private. I taled to few people and some were 
aware of my post on goanet. 
All agreed that John was "problematic" and I am now sure why those on Goa 
Archives Canada (GAC), which started as Goa Archives Project (GAP), left with 
the whole project in John's hands.
The project was to be completed in 2010 and till today it isn't done. Whenever 
the issue was raised with him, he just brushed it aside. No doubt it was his 
idea, but he wasn't, as someone said, a "team player."
In fact, he came up with tons of ideas but one of the persons ge consulted with 
said they were "not practical."
I agree with those said he was a good background worker. He could take on the 
leadership role even when he was the sole motivatir of the idea on formation a 
group or an association.
I said he was blunt and irrational at times. He called me shit-disburber and in 
the same breath he said we need someone like me. Shows how he saw things, 
double-vision, if I mat say so.
I care a "shit"  what Fred has to say, for he hasn't interacted with him as I 
did. Recently, he sent an email to couple of us on Goanet requesting to post 
something he wanted to be noted on Goanet. And I replied to him ssying why he 
can't do it himself, shooting from someone else's shoulder.
At Braz  Menezes' book launch he saud to me that a threw a spanner in the 
celebration of 30th year of the First Goan Int'l Convent, held in Toronto in 
1988. I had written as what is there to celebrate since the IGO  born out of it 
is "dead" or "comatiose." It was my view as someone who played a crucial role 
in the hosting of the convention.
I met Norman da Costa, whi wrote on Cyrian's page to which I reacted, but he 
said nothing. A close friend of John told me that  calling Jihn an "icon" was 
ridiculous. Who are "we" who agreed to say he was an icon, may I ask you? May I 
ask you if John was a "historian"? Or, a "history buff"? 
I hate to say but the Goans from Africa here are "clanish." The Dr. Rebeiro 
School network is strkng and they stand by each other. So are Uganda Goans. No 
diubt, Goans who came directly from either Goa ir Bombay nicknamed GOA as Goans 
of Africa.When I came here in 81, a couple of Bombay guys asked hiw I can get 
along with the African Goans as I plunged myself with vokuntary work fir the 
GOA and tgen served under three Presidents. My reply to these well-meanubg 
Bombay guys was that i am nit afriad to butt heads with them. Till today, I am 
not scared to take them on. 
John Nazareth shook hands with me at the Funeral home, as he was also angry for 
my writing againt the celebrations of the convention. Both Johns didn't play 
any role whatsoever in the convention but were front and centre to celebrate 
the 30th year.
merwyn, you have yiyr vuews and I have mine. Though I must say I harbour no 
ill-feeling for John, and it's just my assessment. One iif guys from the 
now-defunct Steering Committee of the GAC approached me when he saw me at the 
church entrance and we spoke about the GAC and he said he would  talk to John's 
brither Romeo abiut getting the stuff from John's basement. He saud he would 
get in touch with me. Wait Nd see if like-minded people can salvage the GAC and 
make it a real testimony to Jihn's memory and his devotion to "tracing our 
roots", the motto of the GAC.

Eugene. Correia


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> On Mar 26, 2019, at 6:14 AM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> I too agree the comments from Eugene were unsavoury, to put it mildly. But
> what to do? That's Eugene... It's easy to criticise ourselves. As the
> Guirim cemetery reminds us, Aiz mhaka, faleam tuka :-)
> I knew John for many, many years, but only in an online way. He struck me
> as a low-profile, behind-the-scenes kind of guy. But then, as they
> sometimes say, a lot of noise can also be the sign of an empty vessel. And
> John was nothing of that.
> If not mistaken, John was one of the co-founders of the GoaCom project,
> which had Marlon Menezes (now Dr), engineer Tim D'Mello and Marlon's dad
> Jerry Menezes in Miramar, holding up different sides of the fort. Freddy
> Faria of Morod, Mapusa and Marylin from Chorao worked in crafting those
> webpages, and it was a small and friendly world. Bitterness, rivalry and
> spam had yet to creep in. Think of a cyber-Eden before the time of the
> serpent :-)
> Of course, Marlon had laid the foundation for GoaCom.com in his earlier
> college sparetime project Goa-Web, which grew into one of Goa's first
> internet business. And how! My understanding was that Tim-John-Jerry, who
> were almost a generation older than Marlon, then only in his 20s, helped
> with the business, investing, management and other tasks.This all ha

Re: [Goanet] John J. D'Souza Norman Da Costa Merwin D'Z

[Eugene Correia]

I am saddened by John's death. I will miss his confronting questions as well as 
ill-founded darts. I read the tributes on Cyprian's page and was bit of shocked 
that John has been characterized or praised as a "Goan icon". I read one or two 
saying John was a historian. 
With all due respect to his devotion and passion to Goan causes and history, he 
cannot be categorized as a HISTORIAN, per se.
As far as I know, he hasn't delved or done research, both rudimentary or 
intense, into Goan history in Canada. He was an ACCUMULATOR of historical 
matter with the sole aim to preserve the history of Goans in Canada and 
elsewhere in the worldwide diaspora for posterity.
On a personal level, at times he came across as "blunt" and "irrational". But 
all of us have faults, and John was no exception. However, his belated love for 
the community was something of a surprise, but it stood in good stead for him 
when he did get his heart-and-soul involved in certain activities of the 
community.
Hence, his devotion to the Goan Archives of Canada project, which he took 
charge of when the other founding members gave up their efforts. Whatever is 
collected in the Peel Archives is indeed worthwhile and could serve any future 
research student into Goan presence in Canada. Students of multicultural 
studies will benefit a lot, and journalists working or wanting background on 
Goan aspects of South Asian history can get plenty of references there.
No doubt, he was a tireless soul in his mission to keep Goan diaspora history 
at one place where it could be accessible to all interested parties. 
Unfortunately, the archives needs a lot of work to be properly catalogued, as 
well as some editing and updating of articles.
Just take a look at the history of GOA. John Nazareth's piece seems to be the 
sole article. It's not written with the precision of a historian but a layman's 
knowledge, though John served as president of the GOA for one term. I remember 
that John had written the history of the GOA for in a GOA souveir, and had said 
he was the "youngest"  president of rhe GOA. It was then corrected by Antonio 
Mascarenhas who found out that another president (his name escapes me right 
now) was the youngest person to be president, and the mistake was corrected. 
So, I mean the article needs to be vetted by knowledgable people before such 
history can be taken as "official" history of the GOA.
 I haven't seen the history tof the First Goan International Convention, from 
the stages of the meetings to the end of the convention. All aspects should be 
covered, and it would be best if done by an independent person who had no ties 
to person/s involved in the hosting of the convention. 
John was missing from the scene during the formative years of the GOA and seems 
to have come into the focus of the Goan community only later in his years, 
probably after he retired from his job as an engineer in one of Toronto's 
nuclear plant. 
After coming to play a role in the community, he did his utmost to form a 
couple of Goan organisations. The Goan Cultural Group, now renamed Goan Adults 
Active group, is the most active. It probably serves it purpose in catering to 
the senior population of the community, though the GOA has its Retires' Group.
In my talks with John, he was often dismissive of GOA and its activities. 
That's one reason the Goan Cultural Group was formed. The Goan Archives Group 
was too out of the scope and reach of GOA. In fact, John Nazareth was harping 
that the CAG must come under the GOA umbrella.
To me, JJD regained his Goan soul later in his life and he tried to do the best 
he could to the community in his sunset years. One leading pioneers of Goan 
society here said to me that John was MIssing in Action when he was a 
professional worker but devoted his time for community activities in his 
retired life.

Eugene Correia
 

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> On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:20 PM, Cyprian Fernandes  wrote:
> 
> https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2019/03/john-j-dsouza-by-norman-da-costa-and.html
> JOHN J D'SOUZA by Norman Da Costa and Merwin 
> D'Souza<https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2019/03/john-j-dsouza-by-norman-da-costa-and.html>
> John de Souza – a Goan icon By Norman Da Costa and Merwin de Souza
>   John de Souza was an indefatigable soul who, like ...
> www.headlinesofmylife.today
> 

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> On Mar 23, 2019, at 11:20 PM, Cyprian Fernandes  wrote:
> 
> https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2019/03/john-j-dsouza-by-norman-da-costa-and.html
> JOHN J D'SOUZA by Norman Da Costa and Merwin 
> D'Souza<https://www.headlinesofmylife.today/2019/03/john-j-dsouza-by-norman-da-costa-and.html>
> John de Souza – a Goan icon By Norman Da Costa and Merwin de Souza
>   John de Souza was an indefatigable soul who, like ...
> www.headlinesofmylife.today
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet] (no subject)

[Eugene Correia]

When  Aires writes about morality and integrity it makes me laugh. Also
being cosy with some politicians and then disparaging them when they fall
apart is a trait one observes in Aires.
I, for one, find it hard to swallow his saying politics is "a scoundrel's
last resort."  Well, sermonising on politics and calling it a "ruthless
business" I am surprused why he ran for Panaji Corporation.
If guven a safe seat by the BJP to contest the forthcoming elections, Aires
will grab with both hands. If given the CM's post,  Aires' skin will gett
thicker than all yhose in the political arena.
Even the devil quotes scriputre!

Eugene


Sat, Mar 23, 2019 at 5:25 AM Aires Rodrigues 
wrote:

> The RSS indoctrinated Pramod Sawant has started his innings as the Chief
> Minister of Goa on the wrong foot by needlessly appointing two Deputy Chief
> Ministers for India’s smallest State. It is very deplorable as it has been
> done for sheer for political expediency and appeasement.
>
> Our first Chief Minister Dayanand Banodkar and his successor Shashikala
> Kakodkar too had so ably managed Goa besides Daman & Diu with just three
> Ministers. And in those days there were no Government Corporations to be
> doled out to pacify disgruntled MLAs. Ironically today some Ministers are
> also heading plumb Corporations of their choice.
>
> Goa has been a laboratory for political experiments and we need no further
> evidence that Politics today is no longer a mission, not even an honest
> profession. It has been abridged to a scoundrel’s last resort. It has
> become a ruthless business, with morals and ethics twisted, thrown to the
> winds, and long buried deep in the slush of ignorance and thuggery. Those
> belonging to a genre of politicians with qualities of head and heart cannot
> survive in today’s political arena. It is only for those who are thick
> skinned and hypocrites to the core, always ready to breach and bend any and
> every rule to survive.
>
> Aires Rodrigues
>
> Advocate High Court
>
> C/G-2, Shopping Complex
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
>
>  Or
>
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>
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>
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>
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Re: [Goanet] John J DSouza... sad to hear of his passing

[Eugene Correia]

Sad to learn about his passing away. Just few months ago, I sort of scolded
him for a private email to some of us asking to post to Goanethis thughts
or ifeas. Before this one, he was angry with me for posting my saying as to
what there is to celebrate the 30th anniversary of the first convention
held in 1988. The IGO born out of it was "dead."
He called me shit-disturber and I said that I have a right to voice my
dissent. I told himt
to contradict my views if he can.
However, I admired his passion on tge history project. When other
founder-members had given upon it. he took on single-handedly. I don't
think he achieved much. He was instrumetal in forming the seniors cultural
group, which I believe is still running. I teased him once to first learn
Konkani,and in his characteristic way he brushed it aside.
Will miss him and our little fights. it was pleasant to engage with him on
issues relating to our community here, and he was sincere about it in his
own way by starting Goan Voice website which he ran for many years.
RIP, John.

Eugene Correia



On Thu, Mar 21, 2019 at 1:03 PM AF P  wrote:

> He parked himself at my Goan Books Stall at community events and we had
> hours long chats...His hobby was learning and reading. He struggled to
> comprehend some of the smallness he found. He inspired me to do more
> reasearch, to write and pick up documentary skills...
>
> Albert Peres
>
> --
> ---
> Albert Peres
> Goa Culture List
> goaculturel...@gmail.com
> 416.660.
> www.goaculturelist.ca
>

Re: [Goanet] The History-Maker and the Historian

[Eugene Correia]

i missed "nOT" and the line shuoukd read, "lSFX MAY HAVE nOT personally
presided over it..."
I said "progenitor" because SFX suggested it to be firced in Goa. St.
Dominic is the brain behind the Inquisition.
I now remember the book's name, Goa: Continuity and Change, edited by Prof
Narendra Wagle and George Coelho. Wagle was Head of South Asian Dept, UoT,
and Coelho was, I belueve, attached ti the BpNaval Hospital in Washington,
DC

Eugene Correia

---

On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 8:09 AM Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> Gilbert deserves to have his say. His views can be debated.
> Teo was not polemically against SFX, but in the light of the Inquisition
> SFX is seen as the progenitor of thus sorry chapter in Christianity. SFX
> may have personally presided over it, but the Jesuits were resonsible.
> I heard David Higgs soeak at the conference organized at tge University Of
> Toronto y IGO and UoT, undrr Prof. Narendra Wagle. I spoke to tge Prof. and
> he showed me a book on the Inquisition that was lublished just prior to the
> convention. He has an essay in the book ( forgets its name and I have it
> but have to look for it) that folliwed, edited by Wagle and George.
> If you have followed Teo, he was troubled by its vast massacre of Goans,
> since the Hindus and Muslims, were Goans after all. No wonder, the Hindhs
> in particular often resort to the evil of Inquisition and blamed the Goa
> church for its implementation.
> AK Priorlar may be biased, but he's instrumebtal in fanning the flames of
> hatred for the Church. Teo looked sr it from a socio-religious issue.
>
> Eugene
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 25, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> >
> > Gilbert has indulged in a ‘Shoot The Messenger’ exercise by confusing
> the roles of those who have created history and those who critically
> analyze what has been recorded by others. In comparing Francis Xavier with
> Teotónio DeSouza and even imagining them duking it out man-to-man in some
> imaginary place we all go to when we die, Gilbert has let his imagination
> run wild.
> >
> > In addition, Gilbert seems to have lionized the actions of SFX (because
> he was ordained a saint by some crazy Pope of the time of which there were
> plenty no doubt) and going by the results of Xavier’s actions that he sees
> today, little caring about how they were achieved. A case of ends justify
> the means.
> >
> > I doubt our ancestors converted to Catholicism in the thousands with the
> presence, some words and the wave of a magic wand by Xavier.
> > To anyone who assumes this was achieved without manipulation, coercion
> or reward that amounted to taking advantage of vulnerable people, I say
> dream on.
> >
> > I do not imply that other zealous rulers and their fanatical followers
> and minions (in fact Francis brought with himself more power than the local
> Portuguese ruler would have had) whether Mussalman or Hindu, did not do the
> same thing. All I am saying is that Gilbert found himself a Roman Catholic
> without definitively knowing how his ancestors converted. And converted
> they must have been.
> >
> > He assumes they went to some prayer meeting where they heard pleasing
> words and decided to change their way of life. Teotonio says they converted
> due to some nasty things that resulted from Xavier.
> >
> > I am more inclined logically and critically to follow Teotónio’s line of
> thinking.
> >
> >
> > Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
> > “As I have written before, Teo's account of the Catholic Church, Jesuits
> and SFX would be read as an account of a divorced man who is writing about
> his ex-wife family.  These issues some of us raised with Teo over the last
> few years, with no clarification.  Some may think this is writing about a
> person who cannot defend himself.  Yet, that is precisely what Teo does to
> St. Francis Xavier, his work and writings.  Perhaps now both of them can
> square it out themselves mano -o- mano.  Yet one person sacrificed and
> endured for Jesus.  While the other pontificated about Him. I am only
> talking about Teo the historian and his work which will be quoted
> extensively.”
> >
> > Roland Francis
> > 416-453-3371
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teotonio de Souza

[Eugene Correia]

What's the second part of his life got to do with the discussion on Goan
history? His body was laid in the church. Vatican has said that celibacy
will continue. End of matter.

Eugene


On Tue, Feb 26, 2019 at 5:10 PM E DeSousa  wrote:

>  John Nazareth writes:
>
> To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!"
> 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teot?nio de Souza
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>
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>
> With respect to Eugene's question, I had written only part of a
> conversation with Teotonio to make a particular point to Teotonio's credit.
> Eugene has a point, so I will expand on it.
>
> When my wife and I were on our way to meet Teotonio in Lisbon in 1999 I
> asked her NOT to ask him why he left the priesthood.
> When we finally met him, it was the first question she asked him.
> His answer was interesting. He said (I paraphrase): ?If one talks against
> the Trinity no one says anything. But if one raises issues against the
> Church, you will feel its wrath.?
> And then he added: ?I served Jesus for 26 of the best years of my life.
> Jesus will not forget me.?
> Amen
>
> John
>
> -
>
> Comment:
>
> Why is there no mention of the most important event in the second half of
> Dr. Teotonio's life after he left the church and spent the rest of his
> years as a married man with the blessings of the church?Would not that be
> relevant to the trajectory of his life and how that relates  to the issues
> of celibacy for priests in the Catholic church currently being scrutinized?
>
> E. Joaquim.
>

Re: [Goanet] Late Dr zteo

[Eugene Correia]

Dear Gilbert, since John explained that it was his wife who blurted out
the question, I can only see that she was "insensitive" and "ignorant" of Teo's 
writings.
To me, I don't see why Teo failed to answer because he would have to give  
details. I had lunch with him in Lisbon and duscuseed many issues, but I didn't 
think his leaving the Jesuits was "pertinent" to our talks.
If I wanted ti I could get the answer from other sources. If I wanted to do a 
media interview, I woukd be within my rights to ask. At the same time, Teo 
could evade the answer or give the same answer he gave to Jihn's wife.
i know of a Goan priest who us married and says Mass. However, he niw dies not 
belong to a Catholic church but a church called Catholic-Pritestant Church, 
though it is ironical. I went with him to where he said the Mass and was told 
that there are just 12 churches belonging to this branch of Christianity in the 
US. I didn't dare to ask him why he left the church he was ordained into.
However, to clarify it was St. Dominuc was instituted the Inquisition but SFX 
recommened its use from where he was, Mallaca. Writing from memory,  but am I 
right?

Eugene


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Re: [Goanet] The History-Maker and the Historian

[Eugene Correia]

Gilbert deserves to have his say. His views can be debated. 
Teo was not polemically against SFX, but in the light of the Inquisition SFX is 
seen as the progenitor of thus sorry chapter in Christianity. SFX  may have 
personally presided over it, but the Jesuits were resonsible.
I heard David Higgs soeak at the conference organized at tge University Of 
Toronto y IGO and UoT, undrr Prof. Narendra Wagle. I spoke to tge Prof. and he 
showed me a book on the Inquisition that was lublished just prior to the 
convention. He has an essay in the book ( forgets its name and I have it but 
have to look for it) that folliwed, edited by Wagle and George.
If you have followed Teo, he was troubled by its vast massacre of Goans, since 
the Hindus and Muslims, were Goans after all. No wonder, the Hindhs in 
particular often resort to the evil of Inquisition and blamed the Goa church 
for its implementation.
AK Priorlar may be biased, but he's instrumebtal in fanning the flames of 
hatred for the Church. Teo looked sr it from a socio-religious issue.

Eugene


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 25, 2019, at 6:51 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Gilbert has indulged in a ‘Shoot The Messenger’ exercise by confusing the 
> roles of those who have created history and those who critically analyze what 
> has been recorded by others. In comparing Francis Xavier with Teotónio 
> DeSouza and even imagining them duking it out man-to-man in some imaginary 
> place we all go to when we die, Gilbert has let his imagination run wild.
> 
> In addition, Gilbert seems to have lionized the actions of SFX (because he 
> was ordained a saint by some crazy Pope of the time of which there were 
> plenty no doubt) and going by the results of Xavier’s actions that he sees 
> today, little caring about how they were achieved. A case of ends justify the 
> means.
> 
> I doubt our ancestors converted to Catholicism in the thousands with the 
> presence, some words and the wave of a magic wand by Xavier. 
> To anyone who assumes this was achieved without manipulation, coercion or 
> reward that amounted to taking advantage of vulnerable people, I say dream on.
> 
> I do not imply that other zealous rulers and their fanatical followers and 
> minions (in fact Francis brought with himself more power than the local 
> Portuguese ruler would have had) whether Mussalman or Hindu, did not do the 
> same thing. All I am saying is that Gilbert found himself a Roman Catholic 
> without definitively knowing how his ancestors converted. And converted they 
> must have been.
> 
> He assumes they went to some prayer meeting where they heard pleasing words 
> and decided to change their way of life. Teotonio says they converted due to 
> some nasty things that resulted from Xavier.
> 
> I am more inclined logically and critically to follow Teotónio’s line of 
> thinking.
> 
> 
> Gilbert Lawrence wrote:
> “As I have written before, Teo's account of the Catholic Church, Jesuits and 
> SFX would be read as an account of a divorced man who is writing about his 
> ex-wife family.  These issues some of us raised with Teo over the last few 
> years, with no clarification.  Some may think this is writing about a person 
> who cannot defend himself.  Yet, that is precisely what Teo does to St. 
> Francis Xavier, his work and writings.  Perhaps now both of them can square 
> it out themselves mano -o- mano.  Yet one person sacrificed and endured for 
> Jesus.  While the other pontificated about Him. I am only talking about Teo 
> the historian and his work which will be quoted extensively.”
> 
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
> 

Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teotónio de Souza

[Eugene Correia]

First question, why was Teo contacted to talk abiut tge Convention? He wssn't 
present. I git hin to write a piece fir the souvenjr and ge then suggested I 
contact Fr. Claude Saldanha, whi wrote, Gia Then and Now.
If yiu check the souvenjr the name if Teo is missng on the article. He asked me 
and Inhad to tell him the story behind, and why I resigned as editor during the 
last stages of putting the souvenir. I was to,put hus name on the photo,mand 
had the strip of name printed. But things took a different turn. 
Such is the way, and I regret having wasted two years on getting the 
contributors, and composing the artiicles on typesetting machine and manually 
laying the pages. It saved GOA at least $3000.
I know who got Teo convinced to change his mind. 
However, the question remains as ti what Teo had to do with tge celebrations. 
It was to bem celebrate by GOA members, and oerhaps you as as "nobody" at the 
convention. Your brother, Peter, was very much involved.
Anyway, can we, those who didn't attend,  have the video conversations in 
either video or printed form? As I wrote before., what has been tge gain iof 
the Convention? The IGO birn iut of it is dormant if nit "dead." Maybe, you 
should revive it provided yiu can snatch its remmants from Zulema. 
True, GOA made histoy by having the Convention. That's all, but did it deserve 
celebratung it on its 30th anniversary? To me, some just wanted to be in the 
spotlight.

Eugene


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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 7:13 PM, John Nazareth  wrote:
> 
> With respect to Eugene's question, I had written only part of a conversation 
> with Teotonio to make a particular point to Teotonio's credit.
> Eugene has a point, so I will expand on it.
> 
> When my wife and I were on our way to meet Teotonio in Lisbon in 1999 I asked 
> her NOT to ask him why he left the priesthood. 
> When we finally met him, it was the first question she asked him.
> His answer was interesting. He said (I paraphrase): “If one talks against the 
> Trinity no one says anything. But if one raises issues against the Church, 
> you will feel its wrath.” 
> And then he added: “I served Jesus for 26 of the best years of my life. Jesus 
> will not forget me.”
> Amen
> 
> John
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Goanet [mailto:goanet-boun...@lists.goanet.org] On Behalf Of Eugene 
> Correia
> Sent: February 25, 2019 12:58 PM
> To: Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994! 
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teotónio de Souza
> 
> Since John hasn't answered the question as to what he did for the First Int"l 
> Goan Convention, he has dodged it well. I am re-posting below how Teotonio 
> was persuaded to join the video interview after first declining it. I haven't 
> understood when John says, "True, Roland." Did John mean he played no role in 
> planning and hosting the Convention? However, he was in command of the 
> anniversary celebrations, and that takes the cake. Yes, "ajeeb" hai Uganda ke 
> log.
> 
> 
> 
> Teo writes
> 
> I am informed that the Goan community in Canada is planning to commemorate 
> 30th anniversary of its Toronto Convention of 1988 with an evening of 
> celebrations on Nov. 3. Among other items of the programme there is interest 
> in listening to Goan historians / academics by video chats. I have an 
> invitation to be a part of this item, but I had to decline to be true to my 
> sincere feelings.
> 
> My reply to the rep of the subcommittee chairing the event was the
> following:
> 
> "Dear John Nazareth
> 
> But for your sporadic contact, Eugene Correia’s interventions on Goa Research 
> Net, and occasional postings of my cousin Archie Braganza on that same forum, 
> the Goan community in Canada is non-existent for me! Very sorry to say that.
> 
> I remember having contributed a piece to the souvenir of your 1988 
> convention, and what I said in it remains valid and was reinforced in my 
> Afterword (pp 165-166) to my latest book “Goa outgrowing 
> Postcolonialism”(2014).
> 
> Against this background please understand that I do not feel at all motivated 
> to send you a video chat as you request."
> 
> I would add: Where are the new generations of Canadian Goans and what do they 
> feel and do for Goa they presumably cherish?
> 
> 
> Teotonio R. de Souza
> 
> 
> -
> 
> Eugene Correia
> 
> On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:00 AM Eugene Correia 
> wrote:
> 
>> Why should have Dr. Teo tell him? That's personal and he was right to 
>> be evasive. Was John interviewing him on his personal life or in 
>> context of the 1st Int'l Goan Convention's 30th anniversary?
>> If John wants to know the answer, let him try the Superior-General of 
>> the Jesuits.
&g

Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teotónio de Souza

[Eugene Correia]

Since John hasn't answered the question as to what he did for the First
Int"l Goan Convention, he has dodged it well. I am re-posting below how
Teotonio was persuaded to join the video interview after first declining
it. I haven't understood when John says, "True, Roland." Did John mean he
played no role in planning and hosting the Convention? However, he was in
command of the anniversary celebrations, and that takes the cake. Yes,
"ajeeb" hai Uganda ke log.



Teo writes

I am informed that the Goan community in Canada is planning to commemorate
30th anniversary of its Toronto Convention of 1988 with an evening of
celebrations on Nov. 3. Among other items of the programme there is
interest in listening to Goan historians / academics by video chats. I have
an invitation to be a part of this item, but I had to decline to be true to
my sincere feelings.

My reply to the rep of the subcommittee chairing the event was the
following:

"Dear John Nazareth

But for your sporadic contact, Eugene Correia’s interventions on Goa
Research Net, and occasional postings of my cousin Archie Braganza on that
same forum, the Goan community in Canada is non-existent for me! Very sorry
to say that.

I remember having contributed a piece to the souvenir of your 1988
convention, and what I said in it remains valid and was reinforced in my
Afterword (pp 165-166) to my latest book “Goa outgrowing
Postcolonialism”(2014).

Against this background please understand that I do not feel at all
motivated to send you a video chat as you request."

I would add: Where are the new generations of Canadian Goans and what do
they feel and do for Goa they presumably cherish?


Teotonio R. de Souza


-

Eugene Correia

On Mon, Feb 25, 2019 at 2:00 AM Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> Why should have Dr. Teo tell him? That's personal and he was right to be
> evasive. Was John interviewing him on his personal life or in context of
> the 1st Int'l Goan Convention's 30th anniversary?
> If John wants to know the answer, let him try the Superior-General of the
> Jesuits.
> Let me ask John what he did in the planning and hosting of the Convention?
>
> Eugene
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> > On Feb 24, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Roland Francis 
> wrote:
> >
> > John Nazareth wrote:
> > When he was asked why he left the Jesuits, he said "I gave 26 of the
> best years of my life to Jesus and He will not forget me." -- John
> Nazareth, Toronto, February 2019.
> >
> > Something’s missing somewhere. Teotonio’s answer did not address the
> question.
> >
> > Roland.
> > Toronto.
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Dr. Teo -- Maker of history

[Eugene Correia]

Dr. Teo didn't "make" history but unearthed and interpreted history. The only 
thing he created was the XCHR as a world-class institution that will stand for 
all time. It will serve as an important corollary to GU. As much as it is a 
gift to Goa, in particular to its student population, is the Jesuits' addition 
to its educational insiitutions in India. 
Regarding Fred's including Teo in with the "Kosambi duo -- D.D and Dharmand" as 
intellectuals that Goa doesn't deserve, and "society fails to recognize its 
own,"
all have been recognized for their intellectual output and contribution to 
Goa's history. A small group may be unhappy for whatever reasons but there 
cannot be denying that they wrote as they saw it. If the "culture of dissent" 
was missing then and may have been not as rigorous as one expected, the same 
dosen't hold true today.
Now that Teo is no more, his works remain to be dissected or challenged. 
Fred's essay is repeated in the Feschirift, published 12 years ago, on Teo's 
60th birthday.  

Eugene Correia

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Re: [Goanet] Goan Tit-Bits of Bygone Days (Armand Rodrigues)

[Eugene Correia]

In other words, tits are okay.. Your choice, as they say in India -- same-same. 
haha

Eugene

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> On Feb 25, 2019, at 1:29 AM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Tidbit vs. titbit
> In American and Canadian English, tidbit is the preferred spelling of
> the noun referring to (1) a choice morsel or (2) a pleasing bit of
> something. Titbit is preferred everywhere else. Neither spelling is
> right or wrong. Titbit is older, but tidbit is etymologically
> justifiable (the first syllable likely comes from the archaic
> colloquialism tid, meaning tender). And tidbit is not so new itself;
> it was well established in American English by the early 1800s.
> https://grammarist.com/spelling/tidbit-titbit/
> 
>> On Mon, 25 Feb 2019 at 11:56, Eugene Correia  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Goa's "tits"? A don't mind the "bits", morsels of pao. haha
>> 
>> Eugene
> 
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Re: [Goanet] Late Dr. Teotónio de Souza

[Eugene Correia]

Why should have Dr. Teo tell him? That's personal and he was right to be 
evasive. Was John interviewing him on his personal life or in context of the 
1st Int'l Goan Convention's 30th anniversary? 
If John wants to know the answer, let him try the Superior-General of the 
Jesuits. 
Let me ask John what he did in the planning and hosting of the Convention?

Eugene 

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 24, 2019, at 4:11 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> John Nazareth wrote:
> When he was asked why he left the Jesuits, he said "I gave 26 of the best 
> years of my life to Jesus and He will not forget me." -- John Nazareth, 
> Toronto, February 2019.
> 
> Something’s missing somewhere. Teotonio’s answer did not address the question.
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 

Re: [Goanet] NOT WITH ME ANYMORE

[Eugene Correia]

Celibacy is not an option, as the Vatican thinks so.
Any other suggestions? 
Let those who left the Church be rejoice,including Atheists. Why are they so 
worried if the Church is going through hell? 

Eugene
.

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Re: [Goanet] Goan Tit-Bits of Bygone Days (Armand Rodrigues)

[Eugene Correia]

Goa's "tits"? A don't mind the "bits", morsels of pao. haha

Eugene

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> On Feb 24, 2019, at 1:28 PM, Goanet Reader  wrote:
> 
> By Armand Rodrigues
> acrod...@bell.net
> 
> Dozing under a banyan tree in the noon-day sun, one's
> thoughts can stray well into the past, in Goa. Some
> flashbacks are presented below.
> 
> MEDICINAL
> 
> * From time immemorial, panaceas for all ills have been our
>  potent local brews. Whether made from fermented coconut
>  tree toddy, the juice of cashews (the fruit) or unusual
>  plums called 'jambul', the preventative and curative
>  attributes of these liquors are legendary.
> 
> * In Goa, herbs, roots and leaves have been age-old remedies
>  for colds, constipation, loss of appetite, blood pressure,
>  muscular pains, wounds etc.. Long before chlorophyll was
>  used in toothpaste, we used guava and mango leaves or neem
>  tree twigs, to brush our teeth. But, many a secret remedy
>  was taken to their graves by our ancestors.
> 
> * Leeches were used extensively to control blood pressure
>  problems. Yes, you lay in bed after the leeches were
>  applied, while they went to work. In the process they
>  contributed a "thinning agent" to the blood. A brine-bath
>  caused the leeches to relinquish their grip when it was
>  time to get them off.
> 
> * Dry-cupping was used effectively to "pull out" chills in
>  the back. A vacuum was created when a cotton ball in a
>  goblet was ignited, and when the goblet was applied to the
>  affected parts it sucked out the chill.
> 
> * An effective cure for jaundice was branding a person with a
>  red-hot spoon and applying the yolk of an egg to the
>  blister.
> 
> * In parts of Salcete, the remedy for whooping cough was a
>  special brew actually concocted from the hindquarters of a
>  fox.
> 
> PARANORMAL
> 
> * In conjunction with the above remedies, a panacea for all
>  ills was the "removal" of evileye. Chillies or alum, hot
>  coals and a suitable invocation for divine intervention,
>  formed part of the ritual.
> 
> * Being possessed by the devil was not an uncommon
>  phenomenon. Exorcists of all stripes were always on hand to
>  offer their services. Many Catholic and Hindu priests had a
>  good clientele.
> 
> * Occasionally you would find that, because of acrimony, a
>  deceased person had put a curse on a plot of land. Bad luck
>  was said to invariably follow the new owner of the land.
>  Certain measures had to be taken to appease the soul of the
>  deceased and neutralise the curse.
> 
> CONVEYANCES
> 
> * Up until the thirties, many rich folks used palanquins, on
>  the shoulders of four bearers, for transportation.
> 
> * In the late 1930s, Goa had an airforce of exactly one tiny
>  'plane. The short, grass landing strip was on the hill
>  immediately behind the railway station in Marmagoa. The
>  interesting little 'plane had a sharp ploughshare in its
>  rear, instead of a wheel. When it landed, the plough dug
>  deep into the field and stopped the shuddering 'plane from
>  going over the cliff. This was like the 'planes on aircraft
>  carriers today, except that ours made deep furrows in the
>  field, that had to be promptly refilled. During the
>  monsoons, flying was out of the question as there was no
>  way to "arrest" the 'plane on a waterlogged field.
> 
> * During the war, gas (petrol) was in very short supply.
>  Buses were converted to use steam. A boiler occupied the
>  passenger space next to the driver, and the steam
>  contraption provided good, alternative motive power.
> 
> * In the '40s and '50s bus and car parts were virtually
>  unavailable either because of the war or because some
>  vehicles were relics of a bygone era. Some cannibalisation
>  of older vehicles was possible. But the village blacksmiths
>  came to the rescue, more often than not, by forging parts
>  on their primitive anvils, using goat-skin bellows and hot
>  coals to heat the metals. How they managed exact tolerances
>  is nothing short of amazing.
> 
> * Then there was the railway. The bridges, like the one
>  across the Rio Sal at Margao or the one near Sanvordem, had
>  very low clearances.
> 
> * Sad to say, quite a few firemen got decapitated as they
>  were shovelling coal from the tender behind the engine,
>  quite oblivious of the approaching danger overhead. A
>  stationmaster named Antonio Gomes, who lost a brother in
>  such a mishap, is credited with coming up with an idea that
>  solved the problem. A string of loose canes was hung from a
>  trestle, a fair distance from each bridge. A delinquent
>  fireman got a gentle early warning tap on the head.
> 
> * Up to the early 50s, when people from Africa went on six
>  months' leave to Goa, their heavy trunks followed them home
>  by bullock cart, from Marmagoa, and arrived a day or two
>  later. Many from Bardez and Ilhas got theirs on narrow
>  boats propelled by a bamboo pole.
> 
> * There was a time when Arab dhows were the workhorses that
>  

Re: [Goanet] OBITUARY: Teotonio R. de Souza, one of Goa's foremost historians

[Eugene Correia]

I am looking for one essay/article on Inquisition and Hinduvta, which I saw on 
one of research websites, that Teo uploaded. Forgot the link, and would like 
anyone to post it.
-/
Bit surprised that the piece by Bravo Lourdes da Costa, in Sunday's OHeraldo,  
had the word "controversial" in the headline. She pointed out two articles, 
Ranes of Sattari, and Church and Goan Liberation. 
These don't seem to me as controversial. The Ranes article relied on historical 
background and references, and the Rane clan have enough money and political 
power to get a historian to defend them. But they contemplated defamation 
charges but never went firward with it.
As for the Liberation piece, it stradles the past with the present, till after 
the first election. What's so controversial in that framing the Church as a 
supporter of the Portuguese rule? 
It was the Portuguese who brought Christianity to India and helped sustain and 
spread it. The facts are there and Teo hasn't invented them to butteress his 
vuewpoint. From him thiugh, the Church was structurally caste-based with the to 
with the top layer of Goan society. His attempt was to see to Church or 
socio-economic history from below. 
In a way, he can be considered a Goan Apostle of Subaltern studies in Goa, 
though the field lies largely unexplored. His economic history unravelled the 
bottom layers of society under Portuguese colonialism. The anti-Portuguese tag, 
so common in India to call anything and everything from slogans, journalism to 
history hat tackles the religious/communal ills of the country, applied to Teo 
is unwarranted and lacks rigidity of temperament to understand the implied 
message and penetrative thinking of someone engaged in understanding the impact 
of colonialism.
 Subalternity travelled from West to East, and Rajit Guha and his group looked 
at Indian histi in new lens. Since I haven't read Teo's Book, 
Postcolonialisation, which he saud he posted to me but I never received it. In 
an email, he has said it was collection of published articles.
Now that he's gone, the vultures or the scavengers can descend.

Eugene Correia

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> On Feb 24, 2019, at 2:08 PM, Goanet Obits  wrote:
> 
> his

Re: [Goanet] Not With Me Anymore

[Eugene Correia]

Where does Virginia's statement appears?

As for the sexual issue, some Cardinals have spokem strongly at the current
summit in Rome. The pope is to issue new guidelines. Perhaps, the oath of
"pontifucal secret" will be scrapped.
The Vatican is now taking steps to curb such widespread menace. However,
the non-Catholics, lapsed Catholics or atheists must not express their
jubilation over the Vvhurch's problems.
Canada has its Trith and Reconciliation Commission and has come out with
its reports. The monetary compassion is still to be paid to the survirors
of the residential scools.
But the beginning has set in.

Eugene

On Sun, Feb 24, 2019 at 10:02 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> From the link below
>
> Virginia Saldanha, of Mumbai, was in charge of the commission for women in
> the Conference of Bishops for India and in the Federation of Asian Bishops
> Conferences before she was removed, she says, for bringing up the issue of
> rape of nuns and other women by priests.
>
>- FRONT BURNER
>Why residential school survivors want an apology from the Pope
><
> https://www.cbc.ca/radio/frontburner/why-residential-school-survivors-want-an-apology-from-the-pope-1.5028987
> >
>
> She says many Mother Generals told her they dealt with it secretly within
> the congregation.
>
> But she discovered that "dealing with it meant an injustice to the sister,"
> Saldanha said.
>
> "The sister was sent for an abortion or quietly had the baby, who was given
> up for adoption. And nobody worries about the rights of the child or the
> rights of the mother."
>
>
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>
>
> On Sun, 24 Feb 2019, 10:44 Roland Francis, 
> wrote:
>
> > Writes 34 year old former nun Doris Wagner in her book on her experiences
> > of being raped by a German member of the Church’s Vatican hierarchy.
> >
> > There are indications of abuse of nuns that indicate fully one-third have
> > been sexually exploited, raped, aborted and lives shattered.
> >
> > While we have been told about the sexual exploitation of children by
> > priests and bishops, the story of women in the service of the church is
> > just now unravelling.
> >
> > While the full extent of this exploitation was not known so far, now
> > thanks to the determination of the Kerala nuns and the long overdue
> > admission of Pope Francis running co-incidentally with the current
> Vatican
> > conference on sex abuse within the Catholic Church, at last the dams of
> > repression are bursting.
> >
> > Nuns abused by clergy feel overlooked at Vatican summit
> >
> > https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/nuns-at-vatican-summit-1.5030531
> >
> >
> > -- next part --
> >
> >
> > Roland
> > Toronto
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Radio Mango Toronto. Gone!

[Eugene Correia]

The article I wrote precisely said that I was told by my freedom fighters based 
in Bombay, including my uncle, that Nehru was confused as one group wanted 
quick action and the other wanted to avoid armed action. I said it appeared in 
OHeraldo, and, by the way, I don't consider Navhind Times to be a "rag."
Nehru. used the word "unique" in the public speech he gave on his first visit 
to Goa, and that he would try and help maintain the Goan culture. That's what 
the present lot of fighters for Special Status want to drive home. 
Rajan Narayan has used the word in his book, Triumph of Secularism, but without 
any reference. However, the book was commissioned by Salgoakars, and portrays 
VM Salgoakar as the silent spirit behind the Opinion Poll. It says the mining 
baron bankrolled it. 

Eugene 


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> On Feb 23, 2019, at 1:33 AM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Ajeeb is an Arabic word come to Hindi probably through the Persian language 
> which was the ‘via media’ language used in the court’s of India’s Afghan 
> marauders and later rulers in the North.
> 
> It has several meanings; amazing, wondrous, but also weird, strange and 
> peculiar.
> 
> Nehru is known to have called Goans “strange” in the context of the organized 
> groups of Goan freedom fighters based in Bombay and communist leaning, trying 
> to pressure him to use force to march into Goa while he was trying his best 
> to negotiate freedom through diplomatic means. He was at odds to understand 
> why those Goans would like India to use force knowing that their own people 
> may have to bear the fallout of a battle. They are said to have gone in a 
> delegation to meet him even at the last moment in Delhi to press their point. 
> Knowing this he avoided them and was frustrated enough to make the remark 
> attributed to him.
> 
> It may well be that on an occasion after overrunning Goa and wanting to make 
> Goans comfortable with Indian rule, he might have said to politically placate 
> them that theirs was a unique culture that should be protected. 
> 
> There is no certitude about either of these two possibilities being true or 
> whether there is some other explanation for his calling Goans ‘ajeeb’. 
> 
> You cannot claim your version to be true based on an article you wrote in the 
> Navhind Times. Articles in that rag are only as good as those who write them. 
> There is no verification or vetting done there to ferret out the facts, I am 
> sure.
> 
> Roland.
> Toronto.
> 
> 
>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 8:27 PM, Eugene Correia  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> At least some Goans got the Radio Mango award, which the some winners 
>> proclaimed loudly for the world to hear. Some got glowing  write-ups from 
>> friends/admirers on Goan forums, and some went to get bug media soace in 
>> Goan newspapers. One triatrist is flogging "legend" as said by Radio Mango. 
>> A legend doesn't steal someone else's tiartrs. 
>> Roland used the same "Goans are strange", a quote attrubuted to Nehru. It's 
>> become a cliche that needs to be debunked once and for all. I had written a 
>> short piece in OHerald a couple of years ago on the wrong contect the word 
>> "ajeeb" is interpreted. Nehru had said Goa has a "unique" culture. 
>> 
>> Eugene
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Feb 22, 2019, at 2:35 AM, Albert Peres  wrote:
>>> 
>>> After a brilliant run of 325 show over 6 years, it looks like Toronto's 
>>> Radio Mango is gone.
>>> 
>>> Here is a Message posted on their website:
>>> 
>>> ANI DEV BOREM KORUM.
>>> Saying goodbye is never easy. That’s why, we have memories to sustain us. 
>>> Tuning into our beloved Konkani program every Saturday, fbrought us closer 
>>> to our language, our culture and our people. Listening to Konkani songs 
>>> stirred something deep inside all of us. And when one has moved away from 
>>> the familiar to a new country, imagination alone is never enough. It’s 
>>> language that takes to where we truly belong.
>>> There is another amazing force outside of language to take us back to where 
>>> we came from. Nostalgia. Flying to the familiar on the swift wings of 
>>> nostalgia takes us to places and people, tucked away in small memory 
>>> pockets.
>>> 
>>> For 6 glorious years Radio Mango transported you to the golden shores of 
>>> the Konkan. To what we lost, and what we gained by immigrating to our new 
>>> home, Canada. Radio Mango kept you in touch with the timeless beauty of 
>>> back home through songs, news, debates, interviews, 

Re: [Goanet] Radio Mango Toronto. Gone!

[Eugene Correia]

At least some Goans got the Radio Mango award, which the some winners 
proclaimed loudly for the world to hear. Some got glowing  write-ups from 
friends/admirers on Goan forums, and some went to get bug media soace in Goan 
newspapers. One triatrist is flogging "legend" as said by Radio Mango. A legend 
doesn't steal someone else's tiartrs. 
Roland used the same "Goans are strange", a quote attrubuted to Nehru. It's 
become a cliche that needs to be debunked once and for all. I had written a 
short piece in OHerald a couple of years ago on the wrong contect the word 
"ajeeb" is interpreted. Nehru had said Goa has a "unique" culture. 

Eugene



Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 22, 2019, at 2:35 AM, Albert Peres  wrote:
> 
> After a brilliant run of 325 show over 6 years, it looks like Toronto's Radio 
> Mango is gone.
> 
> Here is a Message posted on their website:
> 
> ANI DEV BOREM KORUM.
> Saying goodbye is never easy. That’s why, we have memories to sustain us. 
> Tuning into our beloved Konkani program every Saturday, fbrought us closer to 
> our language, our culture and our people. Listening to Konkani songs stirred 
> something deep inside all of us. And when one has moved away from the 
> familiar to a new country, imagination alone is never enough. It’s language 
> that takes to where we truly belong.
> There is another amazing force outside of language to take us back to where 
> we came from. Nostalgia. Flying to the familiar on the swift wings of 
> nostalgia takes us to places and people, tucked away in small memory pockets.
> 
> For 6 glorious years Radio Mango transported you to the golden shores of the 
> Konkan. To what we lost, and what we gained by immigrating to our new home, 
> Canada. Radio Mango kept you in touch with the timeless beauty of back home 
> through songs, news, debates, interviews, conversations and segments devoted 
> to our classic cuisine, performers, grandma’s remedies and more. Moreover, we 
> kept it trendy and relevant through segments which brought you the latest on 
> topics like real estate and kids adapting to the new Canadian culture, while 
> retaining the values of home.
> 
> Yes, it’s been a long and fruitful journey. What’s most important, Radio 
> Mango hit all the marks: the first radio program of its kind in North 
> America, the first organisation to bring the people of Mangalore and Goa 
> together on one stage, a vibrant broadcast without a single break over 6 
> years, a platform for our people from every walk of life: musicians, authors, 
> community leaders, businessmen, singers, performers…even everyday folks who 
> strive to make a difference in the community.
> We are leaving on a high note. And we thank each and every one of our loyal 
> listeners who took time out to listen in, check us out, and let us know how 
> we did. We are deeply grateful to our volunteers who have been with us on 
> this beautiful journey.
> 
> Our last broadcast will be on December 15th, 2018. We take this opportunity 
> to wish you a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
> ---
> 
> Their last show is archived here:
> https://soundcloud.com/user-828397195
> 
> ---
> I had a chance to interview co-founder, producer and host Milena 
> Marques-Zachariah during the show's 6th Anniversary Fundraiser on September 
> 22nd 2018.
> 
> The organization had just transitioned from community radio to web broadcast:
> https://www.goaculturelist.ca/2018/09/24/fashion-blog-looking-good-with-radio-mango/
> 
> I believe the creative team of Milena and Alan Sequeira remains together and 
> still work on other projects. They both are seasoned professional in the 
> tumultuous field of advertising.
> 
> As noted in my article:
> '...they have accomplished many, many, things that no other Canadian venture 
> has; they have bridged a gap between Goan and Mangalorean Communities and 
> brought them together, from across Ontario’s Golden Horseshoe, to have fun, 
> share, and celebrate a common heritage; they have helped us reminisce and as 
> well have broadcast the voices of a new generation; they have developed a 
> communication channel, a stepping stone, for businesses and professionals to 
> reach their market; and they have proven that the Konkani language can be a 
> source of pride, for growth, and a fountain for creativity.'
> 
> Sad to see the project go.
> 
> -- 
> Albert Peres
> 
> afpe...@3129.ca
> 416.660.0847 cell

Re: [Goanet] Radio Mango Toronto. Gone!

[Eugene Correia]

With all due respect to the efforts behind the show, there seemed no tangible 
support to it from the vast Goa-Mangalorean diaspora. Punjabi-language rafio 
shiws are making waves in Toronto because the tide of immigrant Punjabis help 
to sustain it. 
Fact is, Konkani isn't the language even elders speak at homes in Toronto. This 
must be acknowledge as a great drawback. Milena and her close associates tried. 
and failed. 

Eugene

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 22, 2019, at 2:35 AM, Albert Peres  wrote:
> 
> After a brilliant run of 325 show over 6 years, it looks like Toronto's Radio 
> Mango is gone.
> 
> Here is a Message posted on their website:
> 
> ANI DEV BOREM KORUM.
> Saying goodbye is never easy. That’s why, we have memories to sustain us. 
> Tuning into our beloved Konkani program every Saturday, brought us closer to 
> our language, our culture and our people. Listening to Konkani songs stirred 
> something deep inside all of us. And when one has moved away from the 
> familiar to a new country, imagination alone is never enough. It’s language 
> that takes to where we truly belong.
> There is another amazing force outside of language to take us back to where 
> we came from. Nostalgia. Flying to the familiar on the swift wings of 
> nostalgia takes us to places and people, tucked away in small memory pockets.
> 
> For 6 glorious years Radio Mango transported you to the golden shores of the 
> Konkan. To what we lost, and what we gained by immigrating to our new home, 
> Canada. Radio Mango kept you in touch with the timeless beauty of back home 
> through songs, news, debates, interviews, conversations and segments devoted 
> to our classic cuisine, performers, grandma’s remedies and more. Moreover, we 
> kept it trendy and relevant through segments which brought you the latest on 
> topics like real estate and kids adapting to the new Canadian culture, while 
> retaining the values of home.
> 
> Yes, it’s been a long and fruitful journey. What’s most important, Radio 
> Mango hit all the marks: the first radio program of its kind in North 
> America, the first organisation to bring the people of Mangalore and Goa 
> together on one stage, a vibrant broadcast without a single break over 6 
> years, a platform for our people from every walk of life: musicians, authors, 
> community leaders, businessmen, singers, performers…even everyday folks who 
> strive to make a difference in the community.
> We are leaving on a high note. And we thank each and every one of our loyal 
> listeners who took time out to listen in, check us out, and let us know how 
> we did. We are deeply grateful to our volunteers who have been with us on 
> this beautiful journey.
> 
> Our last broadcast will be on December 15th, 2018. We take this opportunity 
> to wish you a Very Merry Christmas and a Happy New Year.
> ---
> 
> Their last show is archived here:
> https://soundcloud.com/user-828397195
> 
> ---
> I had a chance to interview co-founder, producer and host Milena 
> Marques-Zachariah during the show's 6th Anniversary Fundraiser on September 
> 22nd 2018.
> 
> The organization had just transitioned from community radio to web broadcast:
> https://www.goaculturelist.ca/2018/09/24/fashion-blog-looking-good-with-radio-mango/
> 
> I believe the creative team of Milena and Alan Sequeira remains together and 
> still work on other projects. They both are seasoned professional in the 
> tumultuous field of advertising.
> 
> As noted in my article:
> '...they have accomplished many, many, things that no other Canadian venture 
> has; they have bridged a gap between Goan and Mangalorean Communities and 
> brought them together, from across Ontario’s Golden Horseshoe, to have fun, 
> share, and celebrate a common heritage; they have helped us reminisce and as 
> well have broadcast the voices of a new generation; they have developed a 
> communication channel, a stepping stone, for businesses and professionals to 
> reach their market; and they have proven that the Konkani language can be a 
> source of pride, for growth, and a fountain for creativity.'
> 
> Sad to see the project go.
> 
> -- 
> Albert Peres
> 
> afpe...@3129.ca
> 416.660.0847 cell

[Goanet] Teo's death

[Eugene Correia]

I saw a brief news of Teo's death on OHeraldo front page but failed to see news 
of his death on other dailies. Did I miss them?
I expected bigger soace for Teo in OHeraldo where he wrote a column. He also 
wrote for The Goan. I wish newspapers devote st least half-page to photos and 
tributes at his funeral.

Eugene
Sent from my iPad

Re: [Goanet] Sad news: Dr Teotonio R de Souza is no more...

[Eugene Correia]

Shocked to have lost one of my good friends and inspiration to learn about
Goa history. Ever since I first met him at the XCHR when it was first
established at Mira Mar and then often at the XCHR after met him whenever I
visited Goa from Bombay.
It was at the Jesuit Retreat House in the late 70s where he was conducting
a retreat for Jesuits are friendship grew stronger.  I was there at the
Retreat House as I was invited by the Fr. Antonio Pereira who was in charge
of the house.
I and Fr. Teo sat on the parapet early mornings and talked for long time
with the waves breaking on the rocks down below. i was not taking part in
the retreat but was just a guest of Fr. Pereira and I was not aware that
there was a Retreat on.
I also met Fathers from Xavier's College in Mumbai. We went swimming in the
cool waters in the swimming.
The last time I met Prof. Teo was in Lisbon when I was visiting Portugal
about seven years ago. He invited me to lunch at the University he was
teaching and gave me tips on where to visit historical places and museums.
He told me to do Oral histories of Goans who witnessed the Liberation and
post-colonial Goa. He offered to be my guide for Ph.D but I was turned down
by the Goa University for being a Canadian and that I need to come through
a reference from one of the Canadian universities.
He said he posted to me his last book of essays but I didn't get it in mail
in Canada. I have his other books. In a way he was a rebel, and he had his
own problems with the Church authorities.
He left the priest hood, married and ultimately settled in Portugal. A
kindred soul, indeed.
Dr. Teo has left a big mark on the historical writing in Goa and the XCHR
will forever stand to his memory and dedication. He told me how he got the
idea and then approached Fr. Saldanha to give him the land from the family
property. Today, it's go-to place for students from all over the world.
Tears well up in my years, for I know that I will miss his writings. It was
joy to read him and also to increase one's knowledge. I hope the Goa
University starts a scholarships in his name.
Goodbye dear Teo, my world will be much poorer without you. You
occasionally emails used to make me happy.
RIP, Teo
Eugene Correia


On Wed, Feb 20, 2019 at 12:52 PM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Dear all, I'm sorry to be the bearer of sad news. Dr Teotonio R de Souza
> (b.1947), the prominent Indo-Portuguese historian, author of many books and
> scores of academic papers, earlier director of the XCHR, professor and
> guide of PhD students in Lisbon and Goa, and Moderator of the Goa Research
> Net for many years, passed away at Lisbon this morning at around 8 am
> (Wednesday, February 20, 2019). His family confirmed via friends in Goa and
> Lisbon that his funeral is to be held in Lisbon on this Saturday (Feb 23,
> 2019). Details are awaited.
>
> We pay tribute to the man and his work. Feel free to share your
> reminiscences here.
>
> Frederick Noronha
> +91-9822122436
> --
> FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎ +91-9822122436
> AUDIO: https://archive.org/details/@fredericknoronha
> TEXT: http://bit.ly/2SBx41G PIX: http://bit.ly/2Rs1xhl
> Can't get through on mobile? Please SMS/WhatsApp
>

Re: [Goanet] Cyril Ferrao first Goan professional coach

[Eugene Correia]

Good tribute to a person who I enjoyed talking football. I agree that Cyril was 
dedicated in his mission to provide coaching to youngsters. If I remember 
correctly, Cyril died following a snake bite. Am I right, Nelson? He was a good 
player.
I know Aniceto Fernandes was good to him but didn't know he helped him go to 
NIS. Perhaps, Aniceto git the AIFF through
 the good offuces of Zaiuddhin, the secretary, to recommend him.
Eugene


Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 9, 2019, at 10:28 AM, Nelson Lopes  wrote:
> 
> 
> CYRIL FERRAO , First Goanprofessional coach.
> 
> Mr. Antonio Ciril Ferrao, alias Cyril was born on 2nd. Nov.1929 at 
> Chinchinim, to late Mr Tomacino and Mrs Amaldina Ferrao. Eldest in the family 
> of two brothers and sisters,lost  Mr Jose and Mrs Valdomira , leaving  behind 
> Mr, Ludovico and Mrs. Celine. He completed Secondary School at  St, 
> Bosco`High School Chinchinim, and Portuguese education up to grade 7(setman), 
> He was fluent in English language
> 
> 
> 
> He can be proudly   honored and included among the PEARLs of Chinchinim 
> Village. He has left a blazing trail and indelible foot prints on the 
> football map of India and Goa in particular. He has thus  carved a special 
> niche in the hearts of football lovers, who had   great respect for his 
> dedication and immense contributions to promotion of sports.
> 
> He was employed as the Head clerk at Salgaoncar at Vasco,  but nursed a 
> different ambition in life , which he  pursued  with single minded devotion . 
> In his youthful days he was  very much associated with Chinchinim Club 
> devoted to football. It was  reputed as granary and nursery of football 
> players   on the football map of Goa .   He coached the players of the club 
> .His personal interest, observations, suggestions and guidance to talented  
> other players led  to polishing and improving of  their skills. He was 
> compelled by circumstances of difference of opinions to register  and fund 
> CHINCHINIM YOUTH CLUB. As  the founder,  intended to rejuvenate and infuse 
> interest in the dying game. The players were mostly from Sucaldem and 
> Plamar-grande. He was generous in extending  much needed financial support. 
> It was  for  the first time,  exclusive and historical , for   any Village   
> to  register two clubs but it was  possible only because of his clout. His 
> personal interest, observations, suggestions and guidance to other talented 
> players led  to polishing and improving of  their skills. . Dedicated 
> coaching of the village youth took the game of soccer to great heights of 
> recognition and excellence. As the coach he was a hard task master, strict 
> and disciplinarian. Budding players groomed by him loved and feared him as 
> much .but respected him for his foresight and vision.  He was firm in his 
> conviction not to field or coach players from outside the Village. Under his 
> tutelage,St Bosco`s H. School ,Chinchinim were crowned finalists, twice in a 
> row, at all Goa School tournament   .  Many players of Chinchinim Youth Club 
> (CYC) were recommended by him for placement and therefore found lucrative, 
> professional openings in football clubs in the state and India. They climbed 
> the ladder of success and rose to prominence and fame at International level 
> too. Their gratitude, appreciation and advancement further enhanced his 
> commitment.  CRCC games then were being fielded and funded by 
> ChinchinimMotorcyclists and also by  Rev Fr. Agnelo,  among others to keep 
> the fires burning. He didalways maintain  a healthy,  co operative  and 
> sporting spirit towards CRCC, in spite of differences of opinions and thus 
> remained its admirer to the very end. He dashed off to Panjim and secured 
> blood to save the lives of those  Chinchinim players involveled in the deadly 
> accident at Curtorim . A compromise and understanding was arrived at and he 
> disbanded Chinchinim Youth Club in favour of CRCC. It was due to his 
> initiative in indicating and securing the present premises of CRCC with the 
> support of Mr Alvarino. The only existing Church ground was temporarily under 
> seize by Portuguese army garrison .Instigated by the vested interest, the 
> dispossessed tenants publicly abused and threatened him . He  was arrested  
> due to motivated, fabricated police compliant in revenge but soon released, 
> unharmed by influential contacts .It is with pride  and honour we recall that 
> Chinchinim Club was   declared Champions   in 1951 , runners up 1952,The 
> football lovers were delighted and ecstatic  He was part of team of Club 
> Disportivo Chinchinim,he coached and  which won Goa`s first ever 
> PrimeiraDivision League
> 
> 
> 
> Mr Cyril captained Salgaocar team and he donned colours for Amadores, Paulo 
> XI as dependable centre half
> 
> His talents were recognized first by M/s Shantilal , to  coach the team, 
> which he selected to coach for 2 years,  which was  declared as Champions of 
> Goa 

Re: [Goanet] Medical directory

[Eugene Correia]

This is just a query. If anyone Goanetter is aware of Dr. Falcao and can
provide me with the doctor's phone number it would be greatly appreciated.
No conflict here, unless you see one Fred. Just a simple request. Is there
a online medical directory of Goan doctors? A CyberGuru like you should
either say yes or no.

Eugene Correia

On Tue, Feb 5, 2019 at 5:22 AM Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> In the interest of peace and sanity, it's probably best not to bring
> disputes in from other online networks onto Goanet. FN
>
>
>
> On Tue, 5 Feb 2019 at 15:44, Eugene Correia 
> wrote:
>
> > Is there Goa's online directory of medical doctors? Is there a Dr.
> > Ferdinando Dos Reis Falcao in Margao? He is supposed to be "main admin"
> of
> > Goan Politics FB page.
> > Any info woukd be highly appreciated.
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
>
>
>
> --
> FN* फ्रेड्रिक नोरोन्या * فريدريك نورونيا‎ +91-9822122436
> AUDIO: https://archive.org/details/@fredericknoronha
> TEXT: http://bit.ly/2SBx41G PIX: http://bit.ly/2Rs1xhl
> Can't get through on mobile? Please SMS/WhatsApp
>

[Goanet] Medical directory

[Eugene Correia]

Is there Goa's online directory of medical doctors? Is there a Dr. Ferdinando 
Dos Reis Falcao in Margao? He is supposed to be "main admin" of Goan Politics 
FB page. 
Any info woukd be highly appreciated.

Eugene Correia

Sent from my iPad

Re: [Goanet] GOANET: ONLY GOD CAN SILENCE ME

[Eugene Correia]

Why God in this discussion? Why blame God for the ills of the. state or which 
direction it's going? I don't see why the govt. is NOT muzzling other dissident 
or critical voices.

Eugene


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 19, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Stephen Dias  wrote:
> 
> DEAR Airesbab
> 
> DO you believe that your GOD can silence you?
> YOU are in fools paradise GOD is always sleeping and that why GOA is going
> in all directions with the BJP ruder.
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2019 04:58:46 +0530
> From: Aires Rodrigues 
> To: goanet 
> Subject: [Goanet] ONLY GOD CAN SILENCE ME
> Message-ID:
>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"
> 
>> From 2012 Manohar Parrikar as Chief Minister and even while Defence
> Minister has been misusing his power to periodically suppress and muzzle my
> freedom to express my thoughts by managing to very high-handedly get me
> blocked frequently on Face book, Whatsapp and Twitter. Very gross abuse of
> Power, a trait Manohar Parrikar is well known for.
> 
> So it is for this reason that I also set up my own website which Manohar
> Parrikar can never fiddle or meddle with.
> 
> Today through Whatsapp, Twitter and the various groups on Face book besides
> other global networking sites that I am enrolled with, in minutes I am able
> to communicate by sharing a message or a thought with a multitude of people
> across the globe. And Manohar Parrikar can?t digest the Truth.
> 
> So my dear friends, if and when Manohar Parrikar blocks me on social media
> you can always follow and access me on my website at www.airesrodrigues.com
> 
> Mr. Parrikar, the power to dissent and fiercely criticize the misdeeds of
> any government is vital to the very functioning of our democracy.  May I
> remind you that in 2012 you rode to power optimizing to the maximum the use
> of social media and the RTI Act.  But today to mask your blatant acts of
> omission and commission you are seeking unlawful curbs and restrictions on
> both the RTI Act and the Social media. Shame on you Mr. Chief Minister.
> 
> Aires Rodrigues
> 
> Advocate High Court
> 
> C/G-2, Shopping Complex
> 
> Ribandar Retreat,
> 
> Ribandar ? Goa ? 403006
> 
> Mobile No: 9822684372
> 
> Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012
> 
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
> 
> Or
> 
>   airesrodrig...@yahoo.com
> 
> You can also reach me on
> 
> Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues
> 
> Twitter@rodrigues_aires
> 
> 
> www.airesrodrigues.com
> Sent from my Samsung device

Re: [Goanet] ONLY GOD CAN SILENCE ME

[Eugene Correia]

i, fir one, doesn't consider you much different than Parrikar ibpn trying to 
show your power. Remember, you tried to throw me out of GOA, which you had just 
joined. The reason: an innocuous piece Inwrote in which I said Churchill owned 
a trawler. You went to some GOA members to
support you in getting me out for having "insulted" an ex-CM of Goa by calling 
him a "fisherman". You wanted to curry favours with Churchill, who was staying 
with you as guest when he was visiting Toronto.
Am I right, dear social activist? 
Does the name Alcino Rodrigues mean anything to you? Does leaving your 
insurance clients high and dry mean anything to you, dear lawyer?

Eugene



Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 17, 2019, at 6:28 PM, Aires Rodrigues  
> wrote:
> in 
> From 2012 Manohar Parrikar as Chief Minister and even while Defence
> Minister has been misusing his power to periodically suppress and muzzle my
> freedom to express my thoughts by managing to very high-handedly get me
> blocked frequently on Face book, Whatsapp and Twitter. Very gross abuse of
> Power, a trait Manohar Parrikar is well known for.
> 
> So it is for this reason that I also set up my own website which Manohar
> Parrikar can never fiddle or meddle with.
> 
> Today through Whatsapp, Twitter and the various groups on Face book besides
> other global networking sites that I am enrolled with, in minutes I am able
> to communicate by sharing a message or a thought with a multitude of people
> across the globe. And Manohar Parrikar can’t digest the Truth.
> 
> So my dear friends, if and when Manohar Parrikar blocks me on social media
> you can always follow and access me on my website at www.airesrodrigues.com
> 
> Mr. Parrikar, the power to dissent and fiercely criticize the misdeeds of
> any government is vital to the very functioning of our democracy.  May I
> remind you that in 2012 you rode to power optimizing to the maximum the use
> of social media and the RTI Act.  But today to mask your blatant acts of
> omission and commission you are seeking unlawful curbs and restrictions on
> both the RTI Act and the Social media. Shame on you Mr. Chief Minister.
> 
> Aires Rodrigues
> 
> Advocate High Court
> 
> C/G-2, Shopping Complex
> 
> Ribandar Retreat,
> 
> Ribandar – Goa – 403006
> 
> Mobile No: 9822684372
> 
> Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012
> 
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
> 
> Or
> 
>   airesrodrig...@yahoo.com
> 
> You can also reach me on
> 
> Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues
> 
> Twitter@rodrigues_aires
> 
> 
> www.airesrodrigues.com

[Goanet] Highlighting Goan diaspora issues

[Eugene Correia]

What were the expat and diaspora issues discussed at the Goanetters' meet? Is 
the presentation paper, in text or pdf, available to those like me who were not 
present?
The Pravasi Bharatiya Divas is to be held from Jan 21 to 23 in Varanasi, and 
specific issues relating to NRI or Overseas Goans can be highlighted at the 
event. 
Goa Sudarop can route such questions through the California Goan Association, 
which is the represenative body. Or, Goan associations in the USA can 
collectively post a list of questions to the PBD Secretariat. Goan associations 
in Canada can do so likewise.
Below is the address, and also the email.
Overseas Indian Affairs (OIA) - II Division,
Ministry of External Affairs,
Akbar Bhawan, Chanakyapuri,
New Delhi - 110 021,
Tel No: +91-11-24197965
+91-11-24676212
[Call between 9:00 A.M. -5:30 P.M. IST]
supportpbd[at]mea[dot]gov[dot]in

I saw the name of Zulema D'Souza, the president of the International Goan 
Organisation (IG0), on the list of those registered to attend the Goanetters' 
Meet. One could suggest to IGO to act on such matters if only it was 
practically alive. 

Eugene Correia
Sent from my iPad

Re: [Goanet] GOANET SILVER JUBILEE - DEC. 29th, 2019

[Eugene Correia]

Since this annoucement hasn't come from Fred or Herman, I want to know if the 
decision was taken at the recent Goanetters' meet in Goa.
Has a special committee formed to undertake the work of putting up this planned 
"gliterring" event, and also how the cost of this event will be met?
Eugene Correia


Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 3, 2019, at 4:38 PM, Francis Rodrigues  
> wrote:
> 
> Goanet, the premier Goa Mailing List, turns 25 this year.
> Founded by Herman Carneiro on August 25, 1994, and
> built into cyberspace primarily by Frederick Noronha (and
> a host of volunteers), it's Silver Jubilee will be celebrated
> at a glittering function in the Main Hall of the Institute Menezes
> Braganza Panjim, on Sunday December 29th, from 2-6 pm.
> 
> The cream of Goan cyberspace luminaries and activists will
> grace the function, along with noted speakers. The event will
> feature a live music interlude, book release and fashion event.
> It will be televised, refreshments will be served. Do save the date!
> 
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Goanet
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/goanet/
> 

Re: [Goanet] Goanet meet

[Eugene Correia]

I wish to learn. what Arcaria Almeida said on "expat and Goan issues."
As an expat and writer on Goan issues, I would like to know what are these 
issues. Maybe Arcaria can provide us with her detailed views.
I don't know if the meet passes any resolutions to be forwarded to respective 
departments of the Goa govt.
As per FN's report, I find the other issues were just passing thoughts. 
Timble's advocating activitism is something that is seen on the Goan political 
stage. Some groups have sprung up but, I for one, don't know their net 
contribution and if any impact theey have had on pushing the govt to act. 

Eugene Correia


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Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Annual Goa Sudharop and Goanetters Meet-Up: Sunday, Dec 30, 2018

[Eugene Correia]

I never saw some of these people ever post to Goanet. They have come out of the 
woodwork, I suppose. Wishing the best.

Eugene

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> On Dec 27, 2018, at 3:01 PM, Francis Rodrigues  
> wrote:
> 
> Update:
> Pre-Registered List so far - as on Dec 27:
> Goanetters Meet (alphabetical listing):
> 
> 1 Acaria Almeida
> 2 Albertina Almeida (Presenter)
> 3 Aldila Menezes
> 4 Aloysius
> 5 Alvaro Peres Da Costa
> 6 Ana Maria Goswami
> 7 Bharat Kamat
> 8 Bijon B. Shaha
> 9 Biulah de Sa
> 10 Cellie Gonsalves
> 11 Chloe Fernandes
> 12 Clara Rodrigues
> 13 Elvis Gomes
> 14 Filomena Giese
> 15 Francis Rodrigues
> 16 Frederick Noronha
> 17 George Pinto
> 18 Godfrey Gonsalves
> 19 Ibonio D'Souza
> 20 Jemimah Gomes .
> 21 Jennifer Kamat
> 22 Joe Almeida
> 23 John Eric Gomes
> 24 Larry D'Souza
> 25 Lawrence Rodrigues
> 26 Maria Augusta Rodrigues
> 27 Marie Yvete Barreto
> 28 Mario de Sa
> 29 Marlon Menezes
> 30 Michael Gonsalves Page
> 31 Michael John Fisher
> 32 Nalini Souza (Presenter)
> 33 Olav Albuquerque (Dr.)
> 34 Pamela Kenyon
> 35 Peter Kenyon
> 36 Prabhakar Timble (Presenter)
> 37 Rajan Parrikar
> 38 Ruben Quadros
> 39 Santosh Helekar
> 40 Shirley Louise Gonsalves
> 41 Suman Kurade
> 42 Tanmay Pereira Naik
> 43 Terence Rodrigues
> 44 Tolentino Antonio Colaco
> 45 Tony Gonsalves
> 46 Vivek Menezes
> 47 Wilfred Pereira
> 48 Zulema De Souza
> 
> From: Francis Rodrigues 
> Sent: December 25, 2018 12:45 PM
> To: goanet@lists.goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] [Goanet-News] Annual Goa Sudharop and Goanetters 
> Meet-Up: Sunday, Dec 30, 2018
> 
> Hi All,
> 
> We have had an enthusiastic response from Goans everywhere to our Goanetters
> Annual Meet this coming Sunday 30 Dec, 4:30-7pm, at Clube Gaspar Dias, Panjim.
> 
> If you emailed us but your name is not on the Pre-Registered List above, 
> kindly contact
> us asap, as we have reached 80% of seating capacity!! If your name is 
> confirmed above,
> a gentle request for all of you to try and make this a meaningful celebration 
> - perhaps a
> little poem, a delightful skit (3 min), funny incidents from the diaspora - 
> share and entertain!
> 
> If you produce anything Goan -your chance to bring samples for the diaspora - 
> produce, or
> leaflets, writings, CD's, music - our core idea is networking, joyous 
> fellowship. Unfortunately
> you cannot contribute towards the catered meal itself (it's mandatory 
> in-house), and we're glad
> to sponsor it - but you can gently contribute in other, and as innovative 
> ways you can think of:)
> 
> Welcome!
> Francis
> fcarodrig...@hotmail.com
> 
> https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Category:Goanetters_meet_in_Goa
> https://www.facebook.com/GoaSudharop/
> https://www.facebook.com/groups/goanet/
> 
> 
> 

Re: [Goanet] Fwd: Christmas Carol.....David Archuleta - Joy to the World (Lyrics)

[Eugene Correia]

Same,to you and your family.

E
ugene

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> On Dec 24, 2018, at 5:07 AM, Gabe Menezes  wrote:
> 
> Wishing you and yours a very happy and joyful Christmas. A peaceful New
> Year.
> 
> With best wishes.
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ryv41dMqS24
> 
> G
> 
> 
> -- 
> DEV BOREM KORUM
> 
> Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] History of Bombay, century-wise incidences

[Eugene Correia]

References doesn't have Teresa Albuquerque's Bombay - A History.

eEugene

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> On Dec 21, 2018, at 3:21 PM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> https://prasadbhave.wordpress.com/2015/03/20/history-of-bombay-part-3-century-wise-incidences/
> 
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Re: [Goanet] Brown-on-brown something (was Angriya Cruise - Impressions)

[Eugene Correia]

Well said Rajan. Pretending to be a very "positive" is no virtue on the part of 
the person. Seeing faults is NOT a "negative". More so if a journalist wants to 
walk the thin line. Obe must understand racism, and not mix it with 
behaviourial attitudes.
The High Priest of Progressiveness can rest himself in the cocoon he's 
inhabitating.
Eugene

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> On Nov 24, 2018, at 2:46 AM, Rajan Parrikar  wrote:
> 
> In the new bizarro world progressives inhabit, you are not supposed to
> observe certain behaviors, especially if the said behaviors originate from
> non-white individuals or cultures. The mere act of OBSERVING will get you
> labeled a racist, and if you should venture to advertise your crime-think
> in print or on social media, that will invite much worse.
> 
> Indians, being imitators of everything American, have their own home grown
> custodians of the 'proper' mode of conduct, trawling the social media scape
> 24/7/365 for reasons to be offended.
> 
> Observing that Indians have defecated on Goa is a big no-no. Observing that
> Indians threaten to obliterate us Goans and our identity through
> demographic warfare? That’s racist! Observing that Indians have usurped
> Goan land and built slums is a cardinal sin. You are a heartless capitalist
> for not caring about the poor! And besides, don't Indians have the RIGHT to
> foul everything they touch? Observing that India has brought to the Goan
> shores its infinite stores of poverty and misery could get you quarantined
> - it’s a violation of the INDIAN CONSTITUTION (something no Indian,
> living or dead, has ever read).
> 
> And so, when I committed the offense of observing certain Indian behaviors
> on the Angriya cruise, it was deemed “brown-on-brown racism” by the Chief
> Progressive of Goanet and the pretend-patracar of yesteryear Shri Fredrick
> Noronha. Noronha sits at the apex of the virtue signaling pyramid, he's
> what I call a “digital humanitarian.”
> 
> What exactly is virtue signaling, you may ask. The best and most succinct
> definition comes from John Derbyshire (
> https://vdare.com/posts/virtue-signaling-a-useful-concept-reaches-the-main-stream-thanks-to-ann-coulter
> ):
> 
> "Virtue signaling is communication of the fact that you are a Good Person,
> not a Bad Person. The force of the expression is in the second part.  You
> are merely signaling, not actually following through with actions to prove
> your virtue.  Virtue signaling is gestural."
> 
> For instance, for years I have observed that there is a beggars racket
> operating in Panjim. Infirm, often elderly, individuals, or women with
> kids, are deposited every morning in the city to emotionally blackmail
> pedestrians into giving money, which is then collected by the operator.
> Enter the virtue signaler: Noticing all this makes ME a Bad Person. Calling
> me out makes Mr. Noronha a Good Person.
> 
> Has Mr. Noronha, the apostle of compassion, ever offered any of these
> migrant unfortunates refuge in his own home? Or expended even one calorie
> to shut this abomination down? No points for guessing the correct answer.
> 
> The one thing that Mr. Noronha and the rest of the virtue signalers revel
> in is the spread of misery and the hate of those who earn an honest income.

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

When I said “enough is enough”, the thread continued. Now, let it run as
long as it can. You have a choice to opt out. Possibly, you have nothing to
add. I believe you were abroad and now in Goa, and so I would like to hear
what contribution you did for the Goan community where you resided before
moving to Goa.

Take it from me if you wish, there’s caste politics in GOA. The East
Africans brought it from where they came from, be it Kenya, Mombassa,
Uganda, to name just a few. With due respect, the East African Gosns played
big roles in the initial stages of the formation of GOA.

When I  joined sometime in mid 80s and was invited by Zulema to join the
executive committee, a Bombay friend asked me how I can get along with
these East Africans. At that time, the GOA was ironically called Goans of
Africa. I told my friend I don’t care and I can give back as much as I can
take.

One Bombay guy, whose wife was on the executive committee of a GOA, told me
that these East African don’t ask which part of India or Goa are you when
you meet them the first time but rather they ask which part of African one
is from. I asked him at that party that I heard him tell one East African
he is from Uganda and I, with him along with another East African Goan,
heard him telll him that he’s from Kenya. I asked him why did he mention
two different places, and he said that to create confusion. This guy came
directly from Bombay, as me.

I am surprised that gips has zipped up his mouth, and Vivian wants to shut
this debate up. Where s Roland when his voice need to be heard? Thanks to
Selma, his co-atheist, for giving him space on Goan Voice, UK, to write his
stuff. I used to see it but didn't read the stuff. Selma, after all, was
defacto editor of Goan Voice.

I am all game for it to continue if there are guys here who want to shout
me down. Like Clint Eastwood, I would say, “Go make my day.” I have written
fearlessly, and I wish someone from the Steering Committee or someone who
would speak on their behalf joins this fray.

Fred can talk freely from Goa. I feel sorry that as a journalist he’s
ignorant that muckrakers like Jack Anderson and Seymour Hersh, to name just
won, won Pulitzer prizes for their journalism. As a weekly reader of the
finest of American magazines, I now how some journalists are speaking the
truth to power, that is to Trump. NO wonder Trump has recently again hit
out at the media, saying, “really the media is the enemy of the people.”

In his ignorance, Fred don’t know the difference between “ruckus”,
“muckracking” and “opinion” or “reporting.” No wonder Rajan Narayan, former
editor of OHeraldo and now of Goan Observer, noted that Fred has no
qualities to be an editor.

As far as I know, Fred acted as a “fill in” editor of OHeraldo when its
then editor Ashwin Tombat went on holidays. This is nothing personal
against Fred who, despite being the Modi of Goan cyberworld, is doing
yeoman service to the online Goan community. I only wish he had more guts
and fire in his veins.

Vivian, you didn't attend the two conventions, and I hope you will attend
the one which, I am told, is planned on the 50th anniversary of the first
one. Let me tell you this that the Reflections event was a springboard to
launch the next convention. Zulema wants to crown herself and maybe she's
going to chair the committee for the 20th anniversary one.

May I inform you that the NRI dept of Goa has stopped holding Goan
conventions, which the one held in 2008 was under its mandate, when Dr.
Mesquitta was its Commissioner. Since Vivian you are in Goa, check with the
NRI dept.


Eugene

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the First International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Fred, just as you mentioned "ruckus", check the meaning of "alibi". Hey,
Donkey's Ass, first do your google search and then use the appropriate
words. You are just a "bokan-bot" type of person. If caste was mentioned,
it was because casteism prevails in the GOA. Check with you buddy John
Nazareth, and lick him. Maybe, you will be the keynote speaker at the
convention which, I hear, is planned two years from now.

Eugene

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018 at 11:25 AM Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> If I am a donkey, maybe you are donkey's ass.
> I know why I brought caste. T
>
> EUGENE
>
> On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:34 AM Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Is it possible to behave like a donkey, and then bring raise caste as an
>> alibi? FN
>>
>

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the First International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Fred, please tell me how to "create a lasting legacy". I think I should
make efforts to have a statue for FRED the CYBER King  higher than the one
built for Sardar Patel.
I am not a "builder" as you have obviously believe so. You think I am a
"destroyer." So be it, you are the DEFACTO chief of Goanet, which is your
legacy. Unfortunately, Herman is remain just as what he is. a "founder."
You are the MAN, dear Fred. If not for you, what we mere mortals would do.
You also have your finger in Goa-Book-Club, part moderator of
Goa-Research-Net and perhaps others which I am not aware of.
Now, you have moved into higher circles with you being one of the panelists
on the Video Conferences of International Writers, at the recent
Reflections event, along with noted immigration author, Dr. Stella, Dr.
Janet Rubinoff, and Dr. Teotonio de Souza. Hats off to you. You have
arrived in august company. You have earned your spurs, and reward for your
great service.
Eugene

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the First International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

If I am a donkey, maybe you are donkey's ass.
I know why I brought caste. T

EUGENE

On Tue, Nov 6, 2018, 9:34 AM Frederick Noronha 
wrote:

> Is it possible to behave like a donkey, and then bring raise caste as an
> alibi? FN
>

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Fred, tell me what is a ruckus and what is reporting. Dictionary definition of 
"ruckus" is disturbance or commotion. Did I disturb the proceedings or did I 
create commotion, where in participants ran out the doors? 
I had some online debate with Cornell DCosta often taking the other side. i 
remember you hitting out at GALF where VM invites his contacts in the media? I 
agreed with you there as I saw with my own eyes hiw some invitees were only 
keen in partying.
Do you know the state of affairs now? Please get Kevin and Francis' views on 
the present situation. You can make it a subject of your weekly column.
As for me, I regretted coming for it, cutting short my holidays in Germany. But 
I don't regret my role in the staging of the 1988 Convention, no matter how 
steering cimmittee denied me the space in the souvenir which I type-set and 
laid-out single-handedly. It saved at least $3000 to the GOA and I took my 
annual two weeks' leave frpom office to put souvenir together. What was the end 
result? 
I doubt Roland knew both Profs. George Moraes and Jose Pereira. It was not easy 
to convince them to come. I am proud and happy that I could bring them, 
invkyfing Dr. Stella, with no cost to the GOA. Some friends still say that I 
dud a great job in getting them or the convention would have lacked prominence.
I am not spoken or written about it ever since the convention, but thought of 
putting it in writing now. At least, futre historians of the Goan diaspora will 
take a note of it.
Reading Lissette, Incan only say that Roland ran away, like a dog with its tail 
under its hind legs. I didn't let the humilation hold me back from 
participating in many of the functions.
I advise members such as Gips, Vivian and Roland to read what Dr. Olivinho 
Gomes wrote about his experiencies at the convention in Goa Today, perhaps in 
the Sept, or Oct or Nov 1988 issues. 

Eugene 











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> On Nov 5, 2018, at 4:45 PM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Eugene, Is there some convention where you didn't rake up a ruckus? FN

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

I attended many  but I didn't take up a ruckus at the 1988 convention. I
attended almost all the functions. I suspect your ability to read and
follow the context. If you are aware of the way between Francis camp and
the Kevin, it's for a Journalist like me to report it. Sorry, to say a
journos such as you will close his/her eyes. I reported as I saw.
I was accused of entering FREE when actually I paid Francis. Please check
with him.

Eugene



On Mon, Nov 5, 2018, 5:07 PM Frederick Noronha 
wrote:

> Eugene, Is there some convention where you didn't rake up a ruckus? FN
>

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

This Convention thing is spinning out of orbit.. First, I said it was my
"Reflecting." then came "Criticism" and now comes "Lisette.. on
crab mentality."
Let me put it clearly. I NEVER criticized the Convention of 88, and I
maintain that it was a success. I was questioning why it's celebrated on
its 30th anniversary, and should have celebrated its Silver Anniversary.
For 30 years, I haven't written anything that happened with regards to me
resigning from the GOA and withdrawing from the convention activities. I
did so now as I was amazed that Zulema de Souza wanted to celebrate it now.
The answer lay in the fact that her nephew is current president (in fact,
his second term) as president of GOA.
Why didn't the IGO, which was born out of the convention, hosted it? The
IGO hosted the First Goan Youth Convention in Goa, though it was given in
charge to Goa ex-MLA Herculano Dourado, who was present for the 1988
Convention. I think he was holidaying in Toronto at that time and, I
believe, he was staying with one of my relative.
Many close friends asked me if I am going for the Reflections event. I said
no. I didn't want to associate or have anything with some of the people,
particularly Zulema, who perhaps wanted the spotlight again.
I have been told that I have king-size ego. My friends laugh at it. What
can one do when such things appear on Goanet? Roland feels I wanted people
to bow to me. Thanks Eddie for sharing Lissette's post where she lambasted
me and Roland. I knew Roland was part of the committee for the Goanetters'
Convention but he, with some others who were supposed to be involved, never
showed up at the venue.
I had my Goanet fights with Kevin and Lissette, both husband and wife
dominating the convention. On the other hand, was Francis and his band.  In
fact, it was worse than "crab mentality". I can term the things that went
on there as a display of "crass mentality". It was more of a tamasha.

Eugene

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 11:06 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> This essay should be included in an English language class under the
> caption:
>
> How to murder the English language and dissolve all its body parts, or
>
> How to be a journalist and make your readers happy they didn’t choose to
> become one, or
>
> Who says that a writer should make any sense, or
>
> Writing for Indian publications can completely destroy your future
> ambitions.
>
> Eugene could have become a successful Goa politician - all hot air and no
> sense at all.
>
> Anyone who said he has a king-sized ego was understating. I was this, I
> did this, I left this and they called me back, they promised me this and I
> got that, I brought these VIPs and nobody bowed to me.
>
> Roland
> Toronto
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Nov 4, 2018, at 2:29 PM, Eugene Correia 
> wrote:
> >
> > Dear all,
> > Read enough. If you have my two pieces, you will know how much work I
> did relating to the hosting of the convention. I was Asst Gen. Sec of GOA
> at that time. I had a young family. Just the other day a friend told
> another person, who was never involved in the association, why I wrote
> pieces. I wrote because I was hurt, and I was used and discarded.
> > Just imagine I was the editor of the souvenir and the page Ireserved for
> my editorial piece was taken away and given to a daughter of a guy who was
> very friendly to one of the Steering Commitee members.
> > That's why I resigned from the GOA and all activities regarding the
> convention. I got Prof Moraes, Dr. Stella and Prof Jose Pereira by getting
> Free air tickets from my contacts. The GOA didn't spend a penny. I arranged
> accommodation for two, Moraes and Pereira with friends.
> > Today morning, someone called me and said that I should have been
> invited. Thereafter, Inserved two GOA committees, that is I gave six years.
> Besides, I edited The Oulse if the GOA for msybe three ir four years and
> for another two years I was on the editorial team. I edited and brought out
> the 20th anniversary souvenir. I was also on the editorial committee for
> the souvenir of the 25th anniversary.
> > I was given Ontario Volunteer Award for my services to the GOA. I was
> away from Ontaro for at least eight years, and I was in Dubai. I am aware
> who "gips" is,  and I have also written articles against organisers of Goan
> football. My replybto gios has been rejected by the moderstirs as being
> "inappropriate." Anithet one regarding Fred's writing on "critucusn is
> cheap" and relating to "Free Speech" hasn't appeared. Neither I have got
> rejection notice.
> > I have done lot for GOA and I have earned enough respect among Toronto
> Goans, both for my social service and my journalism. I edited three South
>

Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the First International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

 [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention



I admit the post has many mistakes and garbled sentences. However, it
wasn’t written to fuel my so-called King-size ego. I am not a Brahmin, and
I have met many Brahmins who carry big egos;
iGOA has had and still have many king-size egos of the Brahmin kind.
Hopefully I will write one day about the subtle racism in GOA.
The post was written to explain how the then president Zulema de Souza and
her Steering Committee behaved towards me after my dedicated work towards
the staging of the convention. By all means, the convention was a success.
What I wrote is my personal account. Many friends can vouch for the time I
spent, often ignoring family life. However, it does not count here. What
counts here is that inspite of doing all the work, I got a raw deal. If the
editor of the souvenir cannot get his space, then what can I say. I wrote
to make gips and Vivian aware of my work for the convention. I haven’t run
down the convention.
I gave the facts, and they can be disputed by those who mattered then. It
wasn’t easy to get FREE tickets. The GOA could have got them, but the
Steering Committee could not. It was my personal efforts. I haven’t shouted
from the rooftops regarding getting the scholars in the past, but did so
now to prove that I did as much as I can.
It was done for community service and not for anyone to bow to me. So,
Roland can be spared for his ignorance. I cannot underderstand why wasn’t
it celebrated on its 25th anniversary. Why did Zulema want it now? The
answer is because her nephew is president of GOA. This is the feeling of
many members I spoke to.

Eugene

Re: [Goanet] International Goan Convention (2008) - the wounds have not healed

[Eugene Correia]

Just a quick rebut. We are not talking about the Convention held by Toronto
Goanetters. It was NOT convened by Kevin. I hope Francis Rodrigues replies
to you Eddie. If I may add, I didn't see Roland at the convention.
You will be surprised to know the in-fighting there. Anyway, its for
Francis to provide the background.

Eugene

On Mon, Nov 5, 2018 at 2:31 PM Eddie  wrote:

> The IGC, held 10 years ago and convened by Kevin Saldanha, attracted Goans
> from far and wide. It may have been a (qualified?) success but also seems
> to
> have left wounds that have not quite healed. From the emails below, you
> can
> see that Eugene Correia felt he did not receive the credit he deserved
> while
> Roland Francis has no sympathy for him.
>
> Of course, there are other views on the Convention. Here is an well
> articulated one by Lisette Saldanha, Kevin's wife. It appeared in New
> Diaspora Forum (moderated by me) on 21 August 2008. [It was also sent to
> GoaNet, I understand]
> Here it is (most of it):
>
> -
> As a Goan who has lived outside of Goa, but has an affection for her
> homeland, I must confess that I had always heard of the Goan crab
> mentality.
> For example to identify with Goa, one has to have knowledge of its
> history,
> culture, traditions and language amongst other indicators.
>
> Through the convention I have learnt that Goan Identity is also prone to
> evolution. Our idea of Goan identity today probably differs greatly from
> that of what our ancestors four to five generations before us, might have
> described it as. Hence the key to keeping our identity alive is through
> communication with the next generation and building bonds and values that
> endear them to their homeland. This was the main goal of the convention.
>
> We do this through example and transferring of knowledge. If we are proud
> of
> our people, our homeland, our traditions then our children will
> reflect
> the same value.
> If we encourage and support our fellow Goans when they endeavor to do good
> for the community, so will our children.
> If we share in the success of our fellow Goans when they have worked hard
> and achieved goals that will bind and promote our culture, bring awareness
> to issues that are hurting our ancestral land called Goa, and provide
> opportunities for our youth to explore their identity through interactive
> workshops, then we have taught our children to promote harmony and growth
> within our community.
>
> Goanet could have been a forum to promote the best in our community.
> However
> when the gossip and malice of 2 "broken" individuals continue to tear down
> the efforts and successes of  the Convention, what are we teaching our
> children?
> Positive feedback from much greater minds than either of these 2
> individuals
> continues to be swept aside. Furthermore several delegates have written
> positive testimonials of the convention and the personal effect it has
> made
> on their lives, only to be harassed by these small minds.
> Instead of learning from their comments, and making a positive
> contribution
> to this forum, these 2 individuals continue to work against the flow of
> progress and spread more gossip.
>
> By maligning and slandering the personal integrity of Kevin and myself
> (without provocation), and insulting and demeaning members of our family,
> what example are we showing?
> The likes of Eugene Correia and Roland Francis are the epitome of the so
> called crab mentality. Why are they so bitter and envious? In Eugene's own
> words, he was involved with the 1988 convention, could not follow through
> with his commitments and left bitter and resentful. 20 years later, Roland
> Francis came on board the 2008 convention committee with many grand
> promises, failed to deliver, resigned with many reasons why the convention
> would never happen, and now is shamed and bitter.
>
> Through my own personal experiences here is my definition of crab
> mentality,
> which I have already shared with Roland privately. However, he still
> shamelessly continues to deride the convention and give his grand opinion
> after the convention has already come and gone without him!!
> {Envy (also called invidiousness) may be defined as an emotion that
> "occurs
> when a person lacks another's superior quality, achievement, or possession
> and either desires it or wishes that the other lacked it."[]
>
> --
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Re: [Goanet] Criticism of the first International Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Dear all,
Read enough. If you have my two pieces, you will know how much work I did 
relating to the hosting of the convention. I was Asst Gen. Sec of GOA at that 
time. I had a young family. Just the other day a friend told another person, 
who was never involved in the association, why I wrote pieces. I wrote because 
I was hurt, and I was used and discarded. 
Just imagine I was the editor of the souvenir and the page Ireserved for my 
editorial piece was taken away and given to a daughter of a guy who was very 
friendly to one of the Steering Commitee members.
That's why I resigned from the GOA and all activities regarding the convention. 
I got Prof Moraes, Dr. Stella and Prof Jose Pereira by getting Free air tickets 
from my contacts. The GOA didn't spend a penny. I arranged accommodation for 
two, Moraes and Pereira with friends.
Today morning, someone called me and said that I should have been invited. 
Thereafter, Inserved two GOA committees, that is I gave six years. Besides, I 
edited The Oulse if the GOA for msybe three ir four years and for another two 
years I was on the editorial team. I edited and brought out the 20th 
anniversary souvenir. I was also on the editorial committee for the souvenir of 
the 25th anniversary.
I was given Ontario Volunteer Award for my services to the GOA. I was away from 
Ontaro for at least eight years, and I was in Dubai. I am aware who "gips" is,  
and I have also written articles against organisers of Goan football. My 
replybto gios has been rejected by the moderstirs as being "inappropriate." 
Anithet one regarding Fred's writing on "critucusn is cheap" and relating to 
"Free Speech" hasn't appeared. Neither I have got rejection notice.
I have done lot for GOA and I have earned enough respect among Toronto Goans, 
both for my social service and my journalism. I edited three South Asian 
weeklies here, and gave lot of publicity to Goan events.

Eugene Correia





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> On Nov 4, 2018, at 6:32 AM, gipsport  wrote:
> 
> Well written! My exact sentiments!As the ecause I saying goes " Dont ask what 
> your community can do for you, but what can you t o day, y one friend was 
> telling someone else when they were duscusing my pido or what have you done 
> for YOUR community! "RFSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.
>  Original message From: "Vivian A. DSouza" 
>  Date: 04/11/2018  10:43  (GMT+00:00) To: 
> goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Criticism of the first  
> International Goan Convention Critics are a dime a dozen, or perhaps a paisa 
> a dozen.Can you imagine all the work that takes place in pulling off a 
> successful  event ?.  First, the idea of having a convention, selling the 
> idea to a coterie of  like minded individuals, meetings after meetings, to 
> give shape to the planned event and to consider all the details; scouting out 
> a location to hold the event, choosing a band etc.. I am sure there were a 
> lot of phone calls and running around.  Very importantly, before 
> subscriptions/ticket sales come rolling in, the organizer or organizers in 
> all likelihood had to personally front an immense  sum of money in deposits 
> for a venue, a band, a caterer, printing advertising materials, tickets, 
> decorating the venue etc. And there is always the risk of  not breaking even 
> or suffering a big loss. It takes passion, courage and a whole lot of hard 
> work.In all the hullabaloo  a few details may be forgotten.  Let us not make 
> a mountain out of a molehill, and laud the positives of the event, and also 
> laud the vision and hard work of the organizers.This mataro can say - been 
> there done that ! (at other  un-related events of course).  Hats off and my 
> gratitude to the individuals who organized the first  International Goan 
> Convention, to promote Goan identity and unity. I was not there but heard a 
> lot of positives about the event, with  the recent comment being the first 
> negative vibe I have heard. (and 30 years later - to harbour a grudge ?  
> Saiba bogos !)Niz Goencar

Re: [Goanet] (Goanet) Reflections on Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

India is facing a crisis over FREE SPEECH and DISSENT, in the media and
public spheres. As far as I know there are many dimensions to the issue of
Free Speech. Calling “fire” in a cinema auditorium or any closed
environment with hundreds of people is a “crime”.

I have written in a the OHeraldo on the #MeToo movement as it’s spreading
in India, and you too have touched on it as happening in Indian media.

I have raised 30-year-old issues because the GOA is celebrating the 30th
anniversary of the Internation Goan Convention. I don’t have a “king-sized
ego” and many close freinds will testity that I am a down-to-earth person.

Today, morning I goa a early morning call from a friend who wanted to know
if I am going to the REFLECTIONS event celebrating the 30th anniversary. I
said, and he offered me a FREE ticket but I declined. I don’t wish to be
associated with some people who are involved with the celebrations.

I have raised issues as they relate to me and my dealings with the Steering
Commitee. I was Asst. Gen. Sec. of the GOA at that time, and I played an
imporant role in the making of the convention, as I have detailed in my two
posts.

I have had raised the issues then and I my pleas were ignored. I was told
the Steering Committee was supreme and can override any decision by anyone
else who had a role in the making of the convention.

I stand by my posts, and whether I quoted people no longer on the planet or
six feet under the earth is for people to judge on my credentials as a
journalist. If someone who was associated with the IGO made a “sour face”
when I asked the person on her status with the body was what I saw. Fred,
you weren’t there. Believe it or not. I haven’t put my observation and
quoted the person as saying he/she is not involved with IGO. Any
journalistic blunder in that, honourable dotor of media studies?

I am bullheaded, according to you, and I think you are a “shit head.” If I
was in any way involved with the Reflections event, you wouldn’t have been
featured in the International Writers’ panel. Do you fit there with other
panelists? You are an arselicker, and your sucking up to John Nazaeth and
helping convince Prof. Teotonio de Souza to give a video interview, as he
was dithering and said he would consider John’s request, that secured you a
spot.

I played a big role in the staging of the Goan Convention, and I was
treated badly. I have my grouse, and you are NOBODY to tell me to keep
quite. You can criticise me, as is your right. To say bluntly that
“criticism is cheap” is a cheap statement with providing any substance to
what is under discussion.

Can I say that it’s not my right to ask you about you are NOT paying any
money to a writer to publish their books? A well-historian said to me that
he/she will NEVER publish his/her book with your publishing “Trust” (or is
it a private publishing busines?).

Yeah, criticism is cheap….


Eugene Correia

Re: [Goanet] Reflections on Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Fred, you got a good deal out of all these for your pleading with Teotonio
de Souza to provide a video interview. I think John Nazareth is quite happy
and has rewarded you  with getting you on the International Writers' Video
panel.
Keep the lecture to yourself. You called me a "muckraker", remember? To me,
you are a SUCKER.
You can neither rack up a muck or be a "shit-stirrer".
For me, you are a "lollipop" reporter/columnist. I would prefer to read
your wife's writing than yours. She writes sense. You only sermonizing. Get
to "real" reporting and writing. Speak truth to power.
Don't sit on a fence.

Eugene Correia

On Fri, Nov 2, 2018 at 1:33 PM Roland Francis 
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> All voices must be heard, cheap or not as long as within ethical grounds.
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> It is up to the target audience to decide on the credibility of the person
> making the criticism, the argument presented and other ‘moving parts’.
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> If there was no criticism we would be all living in a fools paradise.
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> Roland Francis
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> > On Nov 2, 2018, at 8:40 AM, Frederick Noronha <
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> > Criticism comes cheap. FN
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> >> On Fri, 2 Nov 2018, 14:36 Eugene Correia  wrote:
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> >> Sorry for some typing mistakes and omissions. I now remember that I also
> >> got FREE ticket for Prof Jose Pereira to fly from New York. I and Zulema
> >> received him at the airport.
> >>
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[Goanet] Reflecting on Goan Convention (Rewritten) Part I

[Eugene Correia]

Reflecting on the Goan Convention — Part I


On Saturday, Nov. 3, the GOA is hosting Reflections, celebrating 30 years
of the International Goan Convention which was held in Toronto during the
month of August in 1988.

On the agenda are many segments. In the the International Writers’ Videos
panel, Dr. Teotonio de Souza and Frederick Noronha, were not present at the
Convention in 1988. Janet Rubinoff, now with a Ph.D, which was on the
subject of a fishing village in Goa, was present, while her husband Prof.
Arthur Rubinoff was among the speakers’ panel. Wonder where he’s now.

Since I didn’t hear of any activities bythe International Goan Organisation
(IGO), I assumed it was ”dead”. Now that I see Cellie Gonsalves, Ludovic
D'Souza and its president, Zulema de Souza going to speak on it, I can only
assume it’s still in existence. Maybe, the IGO is in a state of comatose.

I met Cellie at Viva Goa this year and enquired about the IGO, she made a
sour face and said

she was not active with it, and that she’s devoted her engergies to the
Canadian Goan Christian Group (CCCG), which had a booth at Viva Goa.  I
believe Cellie will talk on what the IGO did in the past. She helped the
IGO is getting hospital beds which were later sent to Goa.

In a way, the IGO also served, or still serving, as a vehicle for some of
its top leaders to get access

to the politicians in Goa. I know for sure that Cellie has been friends
with former Goa CM Luizinho Faleiro since long.

I feel this celebration of the big event is nothing but a ego-booster to

Zulema D'Soua, president of the GOA then, and also president of the IGO
after

it was formed. It's hosted by GOA, and I can understand why — her nephew,

Selwyn Collaco, is the current president of GOA.

The GOA Facebook page says, "The Goan Overseas Association celebrates the

30th Anniversary of the International Goan Convention !! Join us on a

nostalgic journey - exhibits, musical interludes, inspiration dialogue etc.

Participate in an open discussion, exploring the challenges of today, and

the vision of tomorrow, facing the Goan Community !! Come and join us be

part of this great event !!"

I have been hearing this same old mantra, "challenges of today, and the

vision of tomorrow, facing the Goan Community". I don't see any challenges

to the community; it's under no threat. As a primary body for the Goans,

the GOA has been doing its job of having events for its members.

As for the vision of tomorrow, it’s hard to imagine what the future holds
for the Goan community.

I haven't seen the group of "young adults" who were active then

very active in the GOA of today. They must have grown up and have family

lives. I haven’t heard of people like Shawn D’Souza, Warren Lobo, to
mention just two.  The GOA has

its Young Adults’ group, and a seperate Facebook page. Maybe they are very
active.

I saw a lot saw many young volunteers at Viva Goa.

The Goan spirit will live on, and perhaps flourish. The community has

become big and I am surprised that the GOA membership was in decline. Don’t
know if it has risen or fallen low again.

 Now that even seniors have to pay $20 for being a member of the GOA, I
assume the GOA is in dire need of money.

I have not renewed my membership. I met one of the founders who is a senior
and he too

says he too has let his membership lapse.

I gave my heart and soul for two years in the making of the International

Convention, having invited the keyote speaker, late Prof. George Moraes,

late Prof. Jose Pereira, and Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes. I got my

contacts in the travel industry to provide free tickets for Prof. Moraes,
Prof. Pereira (by the way, they too are Ph.Ds}, and

Dr Mascarenhas-Keyes.

Prof. Moraes was given accommodation through the courtesy of Roque Barreto,
who suggested to his friend, Manuel Tavares,

to accommodate the keynote speaker. It turned out that Manuel is a nephew
of Prof. Moraes.

Roque acceded to my request to accommodate Prof. Pereira, as I couldn’t put
him at my place. I used to

have a one-bedroom apartment in a building close by and had a young family.
I was shocked he was put in

 the University hostel room of Cliff Menezes, who was secretary of the
Steering Committee.

Prof. Pereira hinted that he was uncomfortable  staying in a messy room
and, hence, I had

to find him an alternate place. He was very comfortable at Roque’s place
where the other

guest was Roque’s

I and Zulema received Prof. Pereira who spoke to me in Portuguese. I

informed him that I don’t know the language. Zulema butted in and said she
knows Portuguese.

Prof. Pereira asked her something in Portuguese, and Zulema was lost. She
excused

herself saying she has forgotten it. As Prof. Pereira and me walked along,
with Zulema a few steps behind,

he turned to me and remarked in Konkani, “Hi ek xendloli fogotti.” (meaing
she’s like a damp firecracker).


Eugene

[Goanet] Reflecting on the Goan Convention -- Part II

[Eugene Correia]

Reflecting on the Goan Convention — PART II


Prof. Olinvinho Gomes, noted Konkani teacher and writer, who came on his
own, wrote

a piece in Goa Today on his experiences of the convention and, from memory,
I can recall he saying

was like Zulema a “combi” (meaning like a hen running about with her wings
flapping).

 At the convention, Prof. Gomes spoke on Konkani language. When he quoted
from the works on Konkani language by Prof. Pereira, both Prof. Pereira and
me, sitting at the back rows, exchanged glances. After Prof. Gomes ended
his speech, I and Prof. Pereira

went up to him. Surprisingly, Prof. Gomes didn’t know Prof. Pereira when
the latter remarked

to him on his good speech. Seeing that Prof. Gomes didn’t know who the
person praising him was, I felt

compelled to introduce Prof. Pereira to him. Prof. Gomes’ eyes lit up.

A similar incident happened when Iona Loyala-Menezes, who had come from
Montreal, addressed

the audience on Goan folklore. She too quoted Prof. Pereira’sworks on the
folksongs of Goa.

After her talk, Prof. Pereira and me walked up to her. After Prof. Pereira
started to praise

her, she just thanked him. Seeing that that she didn’t know who the person
was, I quitely whispered

to her to come aside. I  then told her that the person who just
congratulated her was Prof. Pereira.

She couldn’t believe it and hurriendly went to shake his hands.

Just before the start of the convention, on my suggestion Roque  threw a
party at his house

for some guests, among who were Prof. Moraes, Prof. Nazareth and George
Menezes, the

noted writer of satire. I introduced Prof. Moraes to Prof. Nazareth. There
was lot of discussion.

I had got some food prepared at my place and which I too there.

I got a raw deal when the page I had reserved for me as Editor, was given
to Judy Luis. She wasn’t

on my list of contributors, but her father Jerry Luis influenced the
Steering Committee to have the

her article into the souvenir. It was too late to change the format of the
souvenir, as the printer, Clement

Sequeira, was breathing down my neck. Jerry Luis was one of the many
volunteers for the convention. Judy wrote

on History, Culture and Identity: A Critical Link. Her bio says that at
that time she was Associate Director of the

American Association on Foreign Policy, based in Washington, DC, USA.

Given a raw deal, I quit the GOA and as editor of the souvenir. I noticed a
couple of mistakes in the printed version

of the souvenir. The most glaring was the dropping of the byline of Prof.
Teotonio de Souza on his piece, Looking from Goa.

On the pleading of Aloysius Mathias, then the VP, and also convinced by

Roque Barreto, I stayed put on the executive committee just in name.
Aloysius, Zulema’s  ‘Yes Minister’, said that my quitting the
associationwould be a talking point at the convention. It was at the
insistence of Zulema who asked me

to join the GOA as Asst. Gen. Secretary. I was also edited the GOA
newsletter, The Pulse of the GOA.

The hubris-filled Zulema got a tight slap on her face by the noted singer,
Remo Fernandes. Despite telling her that I will work

through Remo’s friends to get him here, she dashed a letter to him asking
him to come here as it would give him wide publicity

in North America. Having just won a Euro award for being a top performer at
a show in Germany, Remo was riding a popularity

wave in Goa. He wrote back that he doesn’t need the publicity and that he
would like to be paid, I think about Rs 3 lakhs besides

travel and hospitality. Zulema could only tell the committee that Remo
could go to hell.

At first Zulema said to hold the convention was her idea but she later
informed that she borrowed the idea the Greeks, who had a

similar convention. As for the IGO, it was proposed by me at one of the
meetings, which were held at the late Fr. Terence D'Souza house (now a
church). But to deny me the credit,  when questioned later on, he said "it
came about" at the convention, as if it fell from

the heavens.

Surprisingly, and may I say shamelessly, a few months after the convention,
Zulema came to my office in Etobicoke and gave a colleague an envelope
addressed to me. As I approached the staircase leading up to the office, I
saw her going down hurriendly. I opened the envelope and pulled out the
Volunteer Certificate. I don’t know why she gave it to me, as I had
requested my name to be dropped from the list of volunteers (as you will
notice it’s missing in the published list in the souvenir). I took it home
and tore it apart.
==

Eugene

Re: [Goanet] Reflections on Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

Sorry for some typing mistakes and omissions. I now remember that I also got 
FREE ticket for Prof Jose Pereira to fly from New York. I and Zulema received 
him at the airport.
In another post, I will reveal shout The professor's impression of Zulema. 
It's a shame that Zulema couldn't find a better place for an eminent person 
like him, and I was forced to take him out and puthim upat Roque's place.
The GOA didn't spend a penny on hospitality for Profs. Moraes and Pereira, and 
Dr. Mascarenhas-Keyes stayed with a friend of hers.
I also wonder where the two members of the Steering Committee are, namely Ivan 
Araujo and David de Souza. I am told Cliff is in Florida.
John Nazareth played at the convention, probably kept out by Zulema. John had 
defeated Zulema in the election for GOA president.

Eugene Correia
PS: It isnt easy typing with one finger while reclining on bed. Hence, the 
errors. .
Sent by my iPad

[Goanet] Reflections on Goan Convention

[Eugene Correia]

On Saturday, the GOA is hosting the Reflections, celebrating 30 years of
the International Goan Convention. With the exception of Dr. Stella
Mascarenhas-Keyes and Prof Peter Nazareth, the others on the video
conference panel were present at the convention in 1988.
Wonder where Prof. Arthur Rubinoff is as his wife, Janet, will be one to be
interviewed. The biggest name on the panel is that of our DOTOR Frederick
Noronha and, if I remember correctly, he was present in spirit (ha, ha). I
am giving it a miss.
When I thought the International Goan Organisation (IGO) was "dead", I see
Cellie Gonsalves and Ludovic D'Souza going to speak on it. When I met
Cellie at Viva Goa and enquired about IGO, she made a sour face and said
she was active with the Canadian Goan Christian Group (CCCG), which had a
booth at Viva Goa. It was, I am told, founded by Rudy Fernandes. I believe
Cellie will talk on what the IGO did in the past, and reliably she's isn't
involved with it.
I feel this celebration of the big event is nothing a ego-boosting to the
then president Zulema D'Soua, who was also the president of the IGO after
it was formed. It's hosted by GOA, and I can understand why... her nephew,
Selwyn Collaco, is the president of GOA.
The GOA Facebook page says, "The Goan Overseas Association celebrates the
30th Anniversary of the International Goan Convention !! Join us on a
nostalgic journey - exhibits, musical interludes, inspiration dialogue etc.
Participate in an open discussion, exploring the challenges of today, and
the vision of tomorrow, facing the Goan Community !! Come and join us be
part of this great event !!"
I have been hearing this same old mantra, "challenges of today, and the
vision of tomorrow, facing the Goan Community". I don't see any challenges
to the community; it's under no threat. As a primary body for the Goans,
the GOA has been doing its job of having events for its members.
As for the vision of tomorrow, Goa alone knows where the Goan community
would go. I haven't seen the group of "young adults" who were active then
very active in the GOA of today. These must have grown up and have family
lives. I suppose the old ones are replaced by new ones, as one saw many
young volunteers at Viva Goa.
The Goan spirit will live on, and perhaps flourish. The community has
become big and I am surprised that the GOA membership was in decline. Now
that even seniors have to pay $20 for being member of the GOA, I have not
renewed my membership. I met one of the founders who is a senior and he too
says he too has let his membership lapse.
I gave my heart and soul for two years in the making of the International
Convention, having invited the keyote speaker, late Prof. George Moraes,
late Prof. Jose Pereira, and Dr. Stella Mascarenhas-Keyes. I got my
contacts in the travel industry to provide free tickets for Prof. Moraes
and Dr Mascarenhas-Keyes. Besides, Prof. Moraes was given accommodation
through the courtesy of Roque Barreto, and I had to request Roque to put up
Prof. Pereira after I was shocked he was put in the University hostel room
of Cliff Menezes, who was secretary of the Steering Committee. Prof.
Pereira hinted that he was uncomfortable  staying in a messy room.
When I think of the convention and how I was giving a raw deal and had to
quit the GOA but stayed put on the committee after pleading by Aloysius
Mathias, then VP, as to save GOA's face on the even of the Int'l
Convention. I joined the GOA only because Zulema invited me to be a part of
it.
Zulema was giddy with the success of the convention. First, she said it was
her idea and later on she informed she borrowed from the Greeks, who had a
similar convention. The IGO was proposed by me at one of the meetings,
which were held at the late Fr. Terence D'Souza house (now a church). But
to deny me the credit, Aloysiys said "it came about", as if it fell from
the heavens. Shocked he isn't part of the celebrations.
Eugene Correia

[Goanet] Movie in Toronto

[Eugene Correia]

The GOA Toronto is presenting a Konkani movie, O La La, on Sunday, Oct. 28,
at Albion Cinemas, Rexdale, Ontario.
I wanted to know if it's good one to watch, or it would be a waste of $20.
Besides, I have to travel 40 minutes to get there one way.
Any suggestions would be welcome.

Eugene

[Goanet] block member not using their names

[Eugene Correia]

Noticed that members are not using their real names. I saw "gupitmog" and
wonder who the person in.
I have seen fake ids on FB, and I have caught some. Another point I wish to
make is there are too many Goan FB pages, and saw one, Hijdas in Goa"
Those interested in looking at it can search in FB.
Some FB pages have no posts for last couple of years. Some have just few
members. Some real ids link to their fake id pages.
Those engaging in these sort of unethical activities should stop doing so.

Eugene Correia

Re: [Goanet] Emma Gama Pinto

[Eugene Correia]

Hi,
You read Selma's posts on FB attacking me as one of the pack of hounds, the
hounds meaning some EA Goans who wanted her to remove Ben's article. I have
blocked her and wrote and one person intervened to call off this war of
words, as he thinks it benefits no one.
If you have Emma's telephone number, please forward to me. I may go to
Ottawa and take the opportunity to meet her. Decades ago and author/poet
had asked me if I interested in meeting her, as he was her neighbour. I
thought she may not answer some pointed questions on Pio. I declined.
When she Sevigne came here in 1988, I asked her if she meet Emma. But I got
no answer..
Regards,

Eugene

On Wed, Oct 17, 2018 at 4:33 AM Cyprian Fernandes 
wrote:

> Emma Gama Pinto
> (Excerpts from the book)
> Pio’s detention on Manda Island: Pio told later that he built a small
> shelter against scorching sun and a simple bed. The land was destitute of
> vegetation and there were no facilities when he got there. A daily ration
> of food was barely enough to suffice for one meal. He went on a hunger
> strike, but after nine days realised that it would hurt prisoners nothing
> more. They would die like dogs for the all the authorities cared. The
> prisoners were sullen and dejected. Pio met some of his old friends there …
> Achieng Oneko and others and they set about improving the morale of the
> 9000 men on the island prison. They organised games and tried to catch
> fish, turtles and the like to supplement their impoverished diet. After
> pleading with the authorities, I was allowed to write to my husband once a
> month but the letter would be censored. His reply would be censored. I
> received permission to send Pio literature. He asked for the works of
> Shakespeare and (George Bernard) Shaw. Later Pio said the books kept him
> from committing suicide. Everything he had, he shared with his friends,
> even my letters.
> Our home: We had little finances. Pio sadly confessed that the money given
> by my father had been used as part-payment for a printing press which he
> wanted to operate as the voice of the people. The press was lost as soon as
> Pio was arrested. On his release from restriction in 1960, Pio asked Oginga
> Odinga (head of the Kenya People’s Union and arch opponent of Jomo
> Kenyatta) to help him buy a house. It was more like a hotel –we had people
> coming and going and dropping in for a meal at all hours. Pio would have
> political refugees from Angola and South Africa spend a night or two and
> listen to their accounts of their situation.
> No African who came to the house was turned away –if they needed school
> fees for their children, advice or just a letter written to a relative or
> government official, Pio lent a hand. They were his brothers, and I mean
> brothers. He knew the weaknesses of some of them but felt they would see
> reason enough if temporarily they did not put their country first. From the
> start of his interest in Kenya politics, Pio understood clearly that the
> African cause must be carried by Africans. He identified with the Africans
> completely and secretly suffered anguish that he was no born and African.
> He preferred to work behind the scenes, but he did not work in isolation.
> He consulted with lawyers, economists and politicians before planning his
> work.  He chose his non-African friends carefully for what they could
> contribute to the cause.
> Despite the fact that Pio vehemently worked against those opposed to the
> African freedom movement, he did not harbour rancour against any
> individual. I never once heard him raise his voice in anger or swear at
> anyone, he called them blind or stupid in their policies. He was once given
> a pistol for protection … he promptly buried it in the garden. Later when
> he heard that one of his friends was in danger, he dug the weapon up and
> gave it to his friend for protection.
> On the Goans in Kenya:
> Pio and I had attended a few social functions after his release from
> detention and even though several men forward to hear about his “detention”
> there was little evidence of their sympathy for the detainees.
> When the Portuguese anthem was played at the end of an occasion, Pio could
> guess where their allegiance lay. He had painted a sketch of Kenya’s road
> in the struggle for freedom and left it to them to pursue a course. Mr J. M
> Nazareth Q.C. and a few others were already on the road.
> Later we did not attend Goan functions, so I was not aware of the view
> they had of Pio. Even after Pio’s assassination I did not feel that I
> belonged to the Goan community. I do not fault the community –it is just
> that we had other interests and concerns. I was happy with an Asian who
> understood and helped Pio’s work.
> Goa: Pio and a small group of Kenya politicians including Tom Mboya and
> Joe Murumbi flew to India around 1961 and met with Pandit Nehru. The agenda
> included the liberation of Goa as well as funds for a printing press in
> Kenya (to provide 

Re: [Goanet] [GOABOOKCLUB] News from DKA

[Eugene Correia]

Edwin, I tbelieve children are taught to write Konkani in Roman script. 
Speaking Konkani is a different issue. Even children in Goa speak in English as 
my experience with nieces and nephew showed. They would understand me in 
Konkani but reply in English despite telling them to reply in  Konkani. Times 
have changed.

Eugene

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> On Oct 7, 2018, at 6:32 AM, Edwin Fernandes  wrote:
> 
> A very good  initiative. I wish something like this can be started in Mumbai. 
> Goans in Mumbai feel shy to speak Konkani, thus depriving their children of 
> learning their mother tongue.
> Regards,
> Edwin Fernandes
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On 04-Oct-2018, at 2:18 AM, Dalgado KonknniAkademi  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> To,
>> The Editors/In-charge of News Desk
>> Panaji Goa.
>> 
>> Dear sirs,
>> 
>> We are giving below a press note for publication alongwith the photographs. 
>> Kindly give publicity to our event.
>> 
>> Thanking you in anticipation.
>> Vincy Quadros
>> Secretary - DKA
>> ---  
>> Teaching Children Konkani in Roman Script a Must: Fr. Gabriel Coutinho
>> Konkani Awareness Programme held in Vasco
>> 
>> Vasco: ‘It is time that we teach our children Konkanni in Roman script and
>> Dalgado Konknni Akademi must take the leadership in this great work’ said Fr.
>> Gabriel Coutinho, parish priest of St. Andrew’s church, Vasco. He was 
>> speaking
>> as the chief guest at the Konkanni Awareness programme organised by DKA on
>> September 30, 2018 at St. Andrew’s hall, Vasco. The President of Dalgado
>> Konkani Akademi, Tomazinho Cardozo, Secretary Vincy Quadros and Treasurer
>> Celso Fernandes were on the dais with Fr. Gabriel.
>> We had called many but congratulated those who made it as they have an
>> opportunity to learn something new, Fr. Gabriel added. Empathetic of the
>> importance of the programme, Fr. Gabriel expressed his happiness and said if
>> this sort of teaching is given to the children then our younger generation 
>> would
>> be able to learn the language better. Especially when the Roman script is 
>> used in
>> all religious services and activities, it is imperative that DKA share this
>> programme with the children., Fr. Gabriel added. DKA President, Tomazinho
>> Cardozo said that the Academy is fully appraised of this need and is work is 
>> on
>> in this regard.
>> Fr. Gabriel and his assistant, Fr. Camilo were present for the entire 
>> programme
>> where the method of writing, reading and using Konkanni in our day to day 
>> lives
>> was shared with the audience. Nearly 100 people attended the programme.
>> 
>> DKA Working Committee member, Daniel F. D’Souza worked tirelessly to make
>> this event a success. DKA Treasurer, Celso Fernandes concluded by thanking 
>> the
>> organisers and those who attended the programme.
>> ---  
>> Photo attached.
>> Vincy Quadros
>> 
>> Chittnis
>> 
>> Dalgado Konknni Akademi
>> 
>> 91 9822587498 (m) ; (0832) 2221688 
>> 
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Re: [Goanet] Another Twist in FN Souza's Tale (Times of India,)

[Eugene Correia]

Good to see Dom Martin back on goanet.  Some years ago while visiting the late 
Prof. Jose Pereira in Yonkers, NY, our conversation turned to FN as I knew that 
FN would often bug the professor about religious matter As FN was an atheist 
and the prof was a lay theologian, both used to have a tense and, at times, 
heated debate. Since the professor was also an alumnius JJ College of Arts and 
a writer on architecture, both had a good relationship. The prof was concerned 
to see FN struggle in NY.
Once the prof to.d FN to go and settle in India as FN paintings had no market 
in the US. instead of running to India to sell his paintings. In India, FN 
commanded good respect and his paintings fetched lakhs of rupees.
On returning to NY, I called FN but he said he was busy. We spoke for a while 
on the phine and I asked him his views on MF Hussein, as MF was in the news as 
his painting of a Hindu goddess in the nude. FN was dismissive of hus 
ex-college in the group of seven that created a new wave of art movement in 
India. FN said MF has niw become a "pop artist". MF also did a painting of the 
Bollywood star, Madhuri.
I was once loaned a booklet of FN writings by a lady friend, but I have 
forgotten the name of the book.
FN was a class act, both as painter and as a man. He proudly announced that he 
was the second-best cubist painter after Picasso.

Eugene






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> On Sep 28, 2018, at 5:13 PM, dom martin t wrote:
> 
> The proliferation of “Blatant fakes signed with Sousa's name . . .
> outnumbering originals” is somewhat damningly inconceivable without
> the smug collusion or connivance of the artist.  In 1997, Souza
> addressed a memo to the Director of Sakshi Art Gallery, alerting and
> acrimoniously denouncing the promulgation of 'Souza fakes'.  Was his
> son, Patrick, also included in that circular?  Patrick, allegedly
> ran/runs an industrial size complex in Goa producing fake Souzas.
> One can claim to have successfully unrung the bell if everyone in the
> vicinity is stone deaf and confidingly blind.  With fake art, it's the
> resonance of one's legitimate money going tragically down the drain
> while the dealer boards the getaway train.  Souza, despite his
> outlandish histrionics, boarded the train to eternity: Penniless and
> ticketless! M.F. Hussein once remarked that if an artist does not
> have fakes of his art circulating around, then he is not an artist.
> I guess, I am not!
> Souza, on the other hand, continues to retain his stellar status.  And
> so it is.  You can concoct your own poison and succumb from it or
> become the unwary martyr from someone else's venomous sting.
> Dom Martin

Re: [Goanet] How Manohar Parrikar went from kar sevak to chief minister

[Eugene Correia]

Congratulations Pamela for having been given high marks by the Professor 
Emeritus of the Columbia School of Journalism. ;(

Eugene


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> On Sep 25, 2018, at 10:45 AM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Very good article Pamela. 
> 8 on a score of 10.
> 
> Keep at it.
> 
> Roland.

[Goanet] Immigration to be tough after Brexit

[Eugene Correia]

Goans wanting to go to UK on Portuguese passports will find it hard after 
Brexit, according to UK papers.

Eugene

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Re: [Goanet] Parrikar's illness contentious issue for the BJP

[Eugene Correia]

Enjoy reading your pieces, and must say you're no "lollipop journalist" as
someone I and you know too well is. You may not be a "muckraking
journalist" as someone termed me, but surely you are analytical and
objective. Life is sometimes a strange pairing.

Eugene

On Wed, Sep 12, 2018 at 10:14 AM Pamela D'Mello 
wrote:

>
> www.thecitizen.in/index.php/en/NewsDetail/index/2/14928/Goa-CM-Parrikars-Ill-Health-Contentious-Issue-for-BJP
>
> --
> Pamela D'Mello
> Cell 9850 461649
> http://pameladmello.wordpress.com
>

[Goanet] Among the Jacaranda book launch

[Eugene Correia]

Braz Menezes launched his third book in the Matata trilogy, Among the
Jacaranda, at a grand function held at Konkan Delight restaurant in
Mississauga on Sept 15.
A good gathering of relatives, friends and well-wishers listened to Menezes
explain the reason and the background to write the Matata (which in
Kiswahili means trouble) series. He said that he wanted to complete putting
reflections and experiences of how some families lived and have come to
terms with Kenya as a free nation. Along with a slide-projection he showed
photos of the Jacaranda tree with full bloom with its glorius purple-blue
color flowers.
He said provided a brief history of Africa and and the land of his family’s
origin, Goa. He said Goa has disappeared from the map after its take-over
by India in1961, but quickly added that his statement was an emotional
outburst.
A QA session followed and he said in a replies to few questions he said he
wanted to write in his old age to put to paper the legacy of Goans in
Kenya, and that the “African Goan” tribe is almost vanished as most have
found new homes in places such as Canada, England and Australia.
One of the “white” person in the diverse group enquired about the current
status of Goa and though Menezes tried to put in perspective it was Zulema
de Souza, a former president of GOA,Toronto, got up to give her opinion on
the present state of affairs, saying that she saw Goa as “culturally and
politically divided” and that the government was sort of provoking the
attack on the Christian churces.
However, Goa isn’t divided as such and “communal confrontation” between the
majority Hindus and the minoirty Christians, largely Catholics, have been
few and far in-between. The communal harmony in Goa is much talked about in
India and often presented as one of the best examples how different
communities can live together in communal peace.
As for the attack on Churches, its the forces of Hindutva movement that are
behind creating communal chaos and disruption in Goa and the rest of the
country. The political arm of the Hindutva combine, the BJP, is in power in
Goa and, needlessly to say, is very protective and defensive of the RSS
whose members are mostly responsible for attack on minorities.
The event was also marked by a celebration of Norma Menezes, wife of Braz,
birthday.

Eugene

Re: [Goanet] Fred's column on Goan diaspora

[Eugene Correia]

I cannot understand the meaning of the heading, Goa's misunderstood, unwanted 
prodigal sons and daughters, to his column in Sunday's Navhind Times. 
Was it on those who returned back to Goa from their adopted abodes abroad or in 
other Indian cities? In other words, they are like the Biblical "prodigal son"? 
Fred was born in Brazil and his family moved back to Goa, and therefore it was 
reverse migration, a prodigal family returning home. The column delves on the 
Goan diaspora which the author says is "divided and fractured".
I am also at a loss to understand where there is a "pecking order among the 
various Goan expat communities." The problems of the NRI office to fulfill its 
mandate is for the MLAs or the local media to take up. Also the issue of Chair 
of Diaspora Studies at Goa University? Better ask ex-NRI chief, Eduardo Faleiro
Fred writes, "Earlier Goan cultural hubs that existed outside Goa in Dhobitalao 
or Nairobi, Uganda, Entebbe or Dar-es-Salaam are now scattered over many 
places." Could the writer name one such hub in Dhobitalao? Entebbe is in 
Uganda. 
I, for one, don't know if I would be welcomed back in Goa if I return as a 
"prodigal son". I feel all expat sons and daughters would love to cheered and 
made to feel at home whenever they give up their foreign homelands. 

Eugene


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Re: [Goanet] No so sensation Joao-Roque writer apology to Cyprian Fernandes

[Eugene Correia]

Ethically, Donna Joaozinha should take down the article. The HIT job have
probably served its purpose of gaining more traffic to the website.
The far as I am concerned Ben had a point on many not writing of their
experiences on Canada.
How many have read Ben's first book, Images of Goa? I had reviewed it on
The Pulse, the G. O. A newsletter, which I then edited.
Just jogging my memory tells me that the heading I gave is A Bedside Book.
In a sort of way, it's similar to Yesterday in Paradise. Ben wrote of his
childhood days in Goa.
Goa Masala is an anthology but mixing the two books has obviously resulted
in  misunderstanding. I wish Ben had reviewed Cyprian"s book for the Book
Review section.
I remember that the Donna made a negative remark on my review of Cyprian's
Yesterday book. But she had thanked me for the review of her Railway
book.
Hypocrisy grande.
Ben should pay Fred to print Images of Goa book, as Ben once said to
someone visiting from USA, where he's working but originally from Toronto,
that he had one last copy which he sell him at much higher price than the
original prize as the book is out of print. He also added that he should
read this one and no other book on Goa is it contains everything one needs
to know about the homeland. Such hogwash.
The book was published by, I think, the Kala Academy in Goa without any
cost to Ben. A common friend used his influence to get it published.

Eugene




On Fri, Aug 31, 2018, 4:25 AM Gabe Menezes  wrote:

> I apologise
>
>
>
> Dear Cyprian
>
> The message I tried to convey in my article has obviously been
> misunderstood. I have read both your books. You’re a good man and I
> apologize for disturbing your peace.
>
> Warm regards
> Ben
>
>
>
> Received with thanks.
>
>
> *I now await a similar gesture from the editors of the Joao-Roque Literary
> Journal to see if they can display the same quality of responsibility as
> Ben has done and remove the posting from the Internet.* Cyprian Fernandes
>

Re: [Goanet] The ridiculously September issue of the Joan Roque Literary Journal

[Eugene Correia]

Just forgot to mention that Selma passed negative remarks of my review of 
Yesterday in Paradise, and I hit back at her, reminding her that she thanked me 
for the review of her book, A Railway Runs Through It (I think that was the one 
and I can't remember if I also reviewd her first book).
Eugene

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> On Aug 30, 2018, at 4:02 PM, Mervyn Maciel  
> wrote:
> 
> As this issue contained the following article:
> 
> 
> *The Literary Maladies of Diaspora GoansBy Ben Antao*
> 
> and since I and many of my  ex-East Africa friends have found the
> article offensive, I feel it is only fair that I should publish this
> rebuttal
> by my dear friend, Francis Noronha of Alberta, Canada.
> 
> 
> Mervyn Maciel
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> A RESPONSE TO “THE LITERARY MALADIES OF DIASPORA GOANS” BY BEN ANTAO
> Dear Mr. Antao,
> I have just read your diatribe above attacking author Cyprian Fernandes and
> the many other Goans “who immigrated to Canada from East Africa in the
> 1960’s and 1970’s who still hearken back with nostalgia to the good times
> of the so-called paradise they basked in under the British colonial sun.” I
> am one of these Goans that you are so disappointed with because they have
> failed to live up to the lofty goals that you have apparently achieved in
> that your fiction and non-fiction “embraces” your experiences in Goa and
> Toronto. Bravo! You point out to all of us lesser beings that “a writer has
> to draw upon his lived experiences if he seeks to create literary fiction.”
> Thank you for this original and inspiring insight into the art of creative
> writing. Your encouraging words to aspiring writers fills me with the
> desire to put pen to paper in an effort to emulate the sterling example you
> have set us in your own literary creative fiction.
> I confess, however, that I am confused. Even a cursory reading of Cyprian
> Fernandes’ two books, “Yesterday in Paradise” and “Stars Next Door” would
> reveal that they are not meant to be “literary fiction”. Unlike you,
> Cyprian, (whom I have yet to have the pleasure to meet), is an
> unpretentious writer who sets out in “Yesterday in Paradise” to give a
> personal insight from the perspective of an investigative journalist into
> events at a particularly interesting and turbulent period of Kenya’s
> history. During the 60’s and 70’s, Kenya was emerging from the cocoon of
> colonial rule and taking its first faltering steps as an independent
> nation. During these transitional years, I was a student at the first
> multi-racial College in Kenya (later the University of Nairobi) and then
> away for three years as a student in Britain. I found Cyprian’s account of
> the political in-fighting and intrigue of those early years absolutely
> enthralling and enlightening and it filled the gaps in my own knowledge of
> the events that eventually led so many of us to decide that, much though we
> loved Kenya and its peoples, we had to take what was for most of us a
> painful step to emigrate to other countries where we could make a more
> secure future for ourselves and for our families.
> From your account I gather that you were born and raised in Goa and
> immigrated to Canada when you were 25. You probably had little knowledge or
> interest in Kenya. I don’t say that in a negative way because there was
> probably no reason for you to take more than a cursory interest in an
> African country. You are probably not aware of the deeply personal struggle
> that Goans and many other Indians of my generation had in leaving the only
> country that we had known as “home” to venture to an uncertain future in
> countries such as England, Canada and Australia. A closer reading of
> Cyprian’s book may inform you of some these personal struggles. I left a
> comfortable and secure job as a teacher in Kenya and arrived in Lethbridge,
> Alberta in 1975 to start a new career at the age of 38. I have no regrets
> and Canada has been a wonderful home to me, my wife and daughter. Most
> Goans I know who immigrated from Kenya to Canada
> have not spent time in wistful musing about the paradise we left behind as
> you seem to think.
> We have moved on, forged new careers, made many new friends and contributed
> to the
> communities we became an integral part of, as, I am sure, you have, Mr.
> Antao. That does not
> mean that we have erased our memories of the past whether we “basked” or
> toiled under the
> “British colonial sun”.
> I have happy memories of growing up in Kenya, of travels in East Africa, of
> climbing Kilimanjaro,
> Kenya and Elgon, of playing hockey with my friends, no less than six of
> whom were destined to
> become Olympians, of teaching in some of the fine schools in Kenya
> including historic Allidina
> Visram High School in Mombasa, of great holidays spent at the coast and
> visiting several
> wonderful beaches. I have memories of dear classmates, students and
> friends. I was thrilled
> when I browsed through Cyprian’s second book, “Stars 

Re: [Goanet] Can non-resident Indians please shut up?

[Eugene Correia]

It's stiil few hours to go for the celebrations to begin marking India's 71 
birthday for Indians in Canada. Yeah, at the stroke of midnight, India broke 
free of its colonial yoke. No matter where some of us -- foreign citizens - 
have attachment to the "old country.". 
A remark by a Conservative MP just few days ago has again raised the issue of 
whether Canada is losing its "core" identity through "radical multiculturalism" 
promoted by the Liberal  govt.
India is no exception under the present dispensation, calling for a Hindu 
Rashtra. 
Political tribes is a new race.

Eugene

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> On Aug 14, 2018, at 2:12 PM, Venantius J Pinto  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Tensing!
> 
> Your post brought some thought to mind. I live abroad and have no
> objections to your thought. But would like to offer a general suggestion.
> One can only hope our fellows avoid making any blanket statements,
> providing some material, a topic, or point out the erroneous suggestion,
> etc. I am not prone to taking umbrage, and do not include myself in this
> congeries of "people of Indian origin not living in India;" still, I do
> appreciate clarity. Thinking cogently until it becomes the norm in any
> being takes time. Writing is a whole other matter.
> 
> Many in the West, including me (this is one way to be real by looking
> closer at oneself) are not doing well. "Ensconced cushiness?!" Temerity?!
> Well. those who fall into that sense of privileges (or, lets simply say
> they work hard, as do their old families in Goa) do not say much. On Goanet
> there are a few who express on a variety of issues. Most of the alphas have
> gone way. Other probably are succumbing to illnesses. I can say these
> things. Then there are others who are simply living their good lives,
> helping some and going about their business. The same who helped in
> whatever way to help jumpstart endeavors, buying bibiks, sharing knowledge,
> etc.
> 
> Speaking for self, rather than go Bhasma, found it better to develop a
> thicker skin. In my case, it had to do with protecting myself from some in
> the Desh. Note I did not say all.
> 
> Venantius J Pinto
> 
>> On Tue, Aug 14, 2018 at 1:16 PM, Tensing Rodrigues  wrote:
>> 
>> Can the people of Indian origin not living in India please shut up? They
>> seem to have an opinion about everything and anything that is happening in
>> and to Mother India. Sitting in the comfort of their Dollar and Pound and
>> Euro ensconced cushiness, they have the temerity to tell Indians in India
>> about what is right and what is wrong.
>> 
>> https://www.dailyo.in/politics/nris-intolerance-aamir-khan-narendra-modi-
>> rajnath-singh-people-of-indian-origin-ocis-pseudo-
>> nationalism/story/1/7685.html
>> 

Re: [Goanet] V.S. Naipaul RIP

[Eugene Correia]

Naipaul was a mixed bag. take it or leave it. I loved his A House for Mr 
Biswas, which is based on his father. His non-fiction was bit problematic, and 
he acknowledge hus weaknesses, imcluding his relationship with the women in hus 
life.
Read An Area of Darkness long ago, and I found his A Million Mutinies very 
tedious.

Eugene


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> On Aug 12, 2018, at 10:50 AM, Patrice Riemens  wrote:
> 
> Aloha,
> 
> Re:
> 
> Date: Sun, 12 Aug 2018 05:13:01 + (UTC)
> From: George Pinto 
> To: "Estb. 1994! Goa's Premiere Mailing List"
>
> Subject: [Goanet] V. S. Naipaul
> 
> 
> 
> Naipaul, who just passed away, had accepted a knighthood. It has always 
> struck me as odd that ethnic Indians, especially the intellectuals, still 
> crave royal handouts given colonial history. The Queen should kneel and 
> accept a scolding from a brown or black person for years of colonial history, 
> most especially since the dim-wit has never apologized for the devastation 
> her country caused. She is dim and could not engage in today's issues, hence 
> her usual silence which is taken by the apologists as being above the fray.
> 
> Perhaps Eddie D'Sa can share his thoughts.
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Eddie d'Sa is not me (!) but I'd say George comments are a bit unfair since 
> the late V.S. Naipaul was an asshole in his own right (he admitted so much 
> himself) besides being a great writer (at least till the late 90s/early 00s), 
> and _not_ being Indian other than in the 'ethnic' sense, which doesn't make 
> great sense and made even less to him.
> 
> And the Queen, well, as George Pompidou would have said in his teacher's day, 
> she's merely a 'personage' (figurehead)
> 
> Cheers from the Southern Alps
> p+2D!
> 

[Goanet] India I-Day celebrations in Toronto

[Eugene Correia]

> https://torontosun.com/news/local-news/huge-crowd-will-celebrate-indias-independence-day-at-toronto-festival

Eugene
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[Goanet] Fwd: Senior Rane needs to read Gandhi

[Eugene Correia]

Haven't seen this post in the archives

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Begin forwarded message:

> From: Eugene Correia 
> Date: August 9, 2018 at 9:25:16 PM EDT
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Senior Rane needs to read Gandhi
> 
> Thenoted writer, VS Naipaul, talked about open defecation in India in his 
> book, An Area of Darkness. 
> A recent piece I read mentions says, "In Goa, you might think of taking an 
> early morning walk along the balustrade avenue that runs beside the Mandovi 
> River. Six feet below, on the water’s edge, and as far as you can see, there 
> is a line, like a wavering tidewrack, of squatters. For the people of Goa, as 
> for those of Imperial Rome, defecating is a social activity; they squat close 
> to one another; they chatter. When they are done they advance, trousers still 
> down, backsides bare"
> I missed this eye-opener. Parrikar promised to end open defecation by 
> October, if I remember reading a report correctly.
> 
> Eugene
> 
> Sent from my iPad

Re: [Goanet] Love Lost? Claudia, a novel set in the Goa of the 1960s

[Eugene Correia]

is the novel available in bookstores in Goa or on Amazon?

eugene

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 9:57 AM Goanet Reader  wrote:

> LOVE LOST? CLAUDIA, A NOVEL SET IN GOA IN THE 1960s
>
> Sophia Lorena Benjamin (soph...@gmail.com) recently wrote her
> debut novel 'Claudia'. It is set in Goa during the 1960s. The
> news of the intensified resistance by the Indian Government
> to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule has caused sudden
> distress, turmoil and conflict in Claudia's life. When she
> had her first encounter with Damiano, the attractive son of
> her Portuguese master, she never imagined their meetings
> would grow so intimate. Claudia is a young Goan village girl.
> Clever. Charming. Ambitious. With two older sisters,
> unmarried because their reputation is spoiled by insensible
> premarital affairs, Claudia is the family's only hope whose
> arranged marriage could restore honour and lost respect
> within their conservative community. Amidst advancing armed
> forces, blasting bridges, a bombarded Dabolim airport,
> departing Portuguese families, and chaos, Claudia needs to
> consider the offer made by her Portuguese lover, Damiano to
> escape to Portugal as a servant girl where their covert
> affair can continue. Much relies on Claudia's choice: the
> call is urgent and decisive. Will Claudia abandon her
> family's honour and choose forbidden love? Will she proceed
> with an arranged marriage to Ferrao, the rich sailor from her
> local community and end the social stigma her family has
> endured? Claudia, set in a Portuguese-ruled Goa, is an
> uplifting story of a woman's struggles and the triumph of finding
> hope will unravel the answers.
>
>   Claudia has a secret affair going on with Damiano
>   her Portuguese master's son.
>
>   Meanwhile, Claudia's grandmother has brought a
>   marriage proposal from a local businessman. The
>   rich man has shown interest to marry Claudia
>   despite knowing Claudia is not from a well to do
>   family and cannot afford any dowry, which is
>   customary in their community.
>
>   Under these circumstances, Claudia decides to end
>   her affair with her Portuguese lover before anyone
>   finds out. As the dominating thoughts of the
>   freedom to romance and everything that she is going
>   to miss after marriage flood her mind, there is a
>   turn of events that take place when Damiano takes
>   her to a deserted corner of the house to tell her
>   that the Portuguese are expected to leave Goa for
>   good and that they may never see each other again.
>
>   The secret meeting in the darkroom is supposedly
>   an intimate farewell.
>
> A few yards from the family house was a row of huts for the
> cattle: cows, ox, buffaloes and two giant fighter bulls. Pigs
> and fowls had separate fenced yards. Workers belonging to a
> local Kunbi tribe worked all around the property; they were
> the live-in servants of the Ferrao family.
>
> Fresh dung cakes, salt fish and new hay lay drying in the
> sun. The backyard was full of pig slop, cattle fodder, cows
> in the huts, pigs in the sty, chickens shitting on the
> ground; all of it spread a peculiar, pungent odour. It was
> indeed the smell of abundance and prestige; that's how it was
> measured in the suburban areas, the village folk called it
> prosperity. The girl selected to settle in this family would
> be privileged, thought Claudia in her mind, the lavish
> abundance of the Ferraos overwhelming her greatly. This was
> what Father had dreamt for the three girls; Jakin, Bula and
> Claudia. The dream had failed him while he was alive; if ever
> there was an opportunity it could be revived it was now,
> Claudia was having this conversation in her mind.
>
> On the way home, Gormai told Claudia that the Ferraos said
> they liked her, that they were willing to go ahead with the
> match even without dowry; they told Gormai that the priests
> and elders of Oroshim had given a good reference about
> Claudia. The news brought a strange thrill to her heart.
>
> Later that evening; sitting in front of the fire, while
> heating up water to bathe, Claudia was lost in thought of all
> the happenings of the day with the Ferraos. She understood
> well that this was a precious opportunity, and that she was
> one among the most fortunate girls around the suburbs. It
> would be the first time in many years that something good was
> about to happen for Claudia's family.
>
>   Gormai told her that the Ferraos needed a little
>   more time to decide if it was going to be a new
>   year wedding or a summer wedding. Claudia gazed at
>   the fields and hills above. She would miss Oroshim
>   so much. If it was going to be a New Year wedding;
>   she would miss celebrating carnival in her village;
>   the humour filled intruz skit, and also the
>  

Re: [Goanet] Goans Suck Up A Lot.

[Eugene Correia]

Maybe some Goans in Toronto want to meet visiting Ministers or MLAs to
request help regarding their property or other matters in Goa.
I met few of them because I was invited for meetings or get-togethers. At a
get-together I met was the ex-Minister of Law, whose name I don't remember,
and I just enquired about some property matters, as my house in Colva was
grabbed by the wife's family of a panch, Calvert Gonsalves.
He said to meet him when I come to Goa, but I didn't meet him when I went
to Goa.
On a second-last trip, I met Clefato Almeida through his wife Sushila,
whose father was a lawyer, Louis Mendes, in Bombay and had known him well.
Calvert's lawyer was/is Radharao Gracias, former MLA and, I think, VP of
United Goans Democratic Party (UGDP).I was surprised that both Radharao and
Cleofato are "kumpars." I don't remember exactly but faintly that Cleofato
is god-father of Radha's child.
On a previous trip to Goa I was put in contact with the UGDP gen-sec,
Anacleto Viegas, also a lawyer and brother-in-law of Radharao. He said he
would find the records and left me know, but I didn't hear from him.
On another trip to Goa, I got a surprise call from the Anti-Corruption
Bureau (ACB) when I was in Panaji. A jeep was sent to fetch me from a place
I was in Panaji and was taken to the HQ at the Altinho. A startment was
taken from me. I have no idea how the ACB came to know about my
whereabouts. Calvert had also been on ACB investigation list by a Goan who
worked in Oman.
Calvert was arrested some time ago and, as usual, the case is lingering, as
to the best of my knowledge.
Coming to the issue of discussion, I met Francis D'Souza when invited by
Ben Saldanha, the developer who shuffles from Goa to Toronto, at a
reception in D'Souza's honour. Before that I met Churchill Alemao at the
Panaji Pavilion, part of the multicultural fest (now defunct), in Toronto.
He was introduced to me by Aires Rodrigues, who I knew through phone calls
as Aires had got hold of my number and called me often. I met Luizinho
Faleiro when he visited Toronto after his fall-out with Churchill, the
great Kumpar slanging match. I visited him in Goa as the tiartrist Wilson
Mazarello was visiting him and I was with Wilson in Margao. I then took the
opportunity to visit an ailing M. Boyer in Raia.
Even in Goa, I met Alina as I was visiting the Secretariat to meet the then
NRI Commissioner, Dr. Wilfred Misquitta, and then having a talk with the
now retired NRI dept. secretary. I just wanted to say hi to Alina and also
condole her on her husband, Mathany Saldanha's death, as I knew tMathany
well, and who once came to see me in The Hindu office in Mumbai with
priests from Pilar who were leading the Ramponkar fight
So, I gave a bit of personal history, though much can be said. In this
context, I was amazed at Aires' role and so I have little trust in him.
Even for my house troubles in Goa i will never approach him. Mind you, his
first wife and their kids are in Toronto, and so is his sister. Less said
the better.
I see no wrong in Goans meeting visiting Ministers and MLAs out of respect
to the office he/she holds. But expecting some rewards or favours from them
is a long shot, unless one is related to them or a friend or donor to their
political campaign .  In Goa, I was told to approach Churchill Alemao toget
the house problem settled, as Calvert was in the Alemao camp, particularly
a strong member of the inner circle of Churchill's daughter, Valankar, in
her failed attempt to gain the Benaulim seat. Calvert was once close to
Francisco (Mickky) Pacheco. But I said I will not approach Churchill for a
favour, but people said he can get things done through his goons.
Indians meet Union ministers and hold big receptions for them.  The
Ministers and MLAs must help their consituents and they themselves go about
saying they are "servants of the people."

Eugene Correia


On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 5:23 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Serves the janitor right for running to greet Rane and then getting called
> a toilet cleaner on the floor of the Assembly in Porvorim.
>
> All Goan politicos are dyed in the wool crooks and all other Goans know
> that. Yet they will run behind them with the hope of some favours. This
> shows a complete lack of character.
>
> I have seen myself how otherwise proud Goans in Toronto who will take
> umbrage at any imagined affront to their dignity run like shameless
> boot-lickers behind every corrupt politician who visits here. I have seen
> them ask favours within my own earshot and then months later complain how
> they were fooled.
>
> What were they thinking? That the shameless dingo dog would do them a
> favour free, just because he was in a euphoric mood away from home?
>
> If this is the behaviour one sees from well-settled Goans in Toronto, can
> one blame a just-off-the-boat janitor in a hotel in old Blighty?
>
> Roland.
>
>
> > On A

Re: [Goanet] Love Lost? Claudia, a novel set in the Goa of the 1960s

[Eugene Correia]

Oops, saw Amazon but I can' t purvhsd in rupees? I want printed version.

eugene

On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 11:01 AM Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> is the novel available in bookstores in Goa or on Amazon?
>
> eugene
>
> On Thu, Aug 9, 2018, 9:57 AM Goanet Reader  wrote:
>
>> LOVE LOST? CLAUDIA, A NOVEL SET IN GOA IN THE 1960s
>>
>> Sophia Lorena Benjamin (soph...@gmail.com) recently wrote her
>> debut novel 'Claudia'. It is set in Goa during the 1960s. The
>> news of the intensified resistance by the Indian Government
>> to liberate Goa from Portuguese rule has caused sudden
>> distress, turmoil and conflict in Claudia's life. When she
>> had her first encounter with Damiano, the attractive son of
>> her Portuguese master, she never imagined their meetings
>> would grow so intimate. Claudia is a young Goan village girl.
>> Clever. Charming. Ambitious. With two older sisters,
>> unmarried because their reputation is spoiled by insensible
>> premarital affairs, Claudia is the family's only hope whose
>> arranged marriage could restore honour and lost respect
>> within their conservative community. Amidst advancing armed
>> forces, blasting bridges, a bombarded Dabolim airport,
>> departing Portuguese families, and chaos, Claudia needs to
>> consider the offer made by her Portuguese lover, Damiano to
>> escape to Portugal as a servant girl where their covert
>> affair can continue. Much relies on Claudia's choice: the
>> call is urgent and decisive. Will Claudia abandon her
>> family's honour and choose forbidden love? Will she proceed
>> with an arranged marriage to Ferrao, the rich sailor from her
>> local community and end the social stigma her family has
>> endured? Claudia, set in a Portuguese-ruled Goa, is an
>> uplifting story of a woman's struggles and the triumph of finding
>> hope will unravel the answers.
>>
>>   Claudia has a secret affair going on with Damiano
>>   her Portuguese master's son.
>>
>>   Meanwhile, Claudia's grandmother has brought a
>>   marriage proposal from a local businessman. The
>>   rich man has shown interest to marry Claudia
>>   despite knowing Claudia is not from a well to do
>>   family and cannot afford any dowry, which is
>>   customary in their community.
>>
>>   Under these circumstances, Claudia decides to end
>>   her affair with her Portuguese lover before anyone
>>   finds out. As the dominating thoughts of the
>>   freedom to romance and everything that she is going
>>   to miss after marriage flood her mind, there is a
>>   turn of events that take place when Damiano takes
>>   her to a deserted corner of the house to tell her
>>   that the Portuguese are expected to leave Goa for
>>   good and that they may never see each other again.
>>
>>   The secret meeting in the darkroom is supposedly
>>   an intimate farewell.
>>
>> A few yards from the family house was a row of huts for the
>> cattle: cows, ox, buffaloes and two giant fighter bulls. Pigs
>> and fowls had separate fenced yards. Workers belonging to a
>> local Kunbi tribe worked all around the property; they were
>> the live-in servants of the Ferrao family.
>>
>> Fresh dung cakes, salt fish and new hay lay drying in the
>> sun. The backyard was full of pig slop, cattle fodder, cows
>> in the huts, pigs in the sty, chickens shitting on the
>> ground; all of it spread a peculiar, pungent odour. It was
>> indeed the smell of abundance and prestige; that's how it was
>> measured in the suburban areas, the village folk called it
>> prosperity. The girl selected to settle in this family would
>> be privileged, thought Claudia in her mind, the lavish
>> abundance of the Ferraos overwhelming her greatly. This was
>> what Father had dreamt for the three girls; Jakin, Bula and
>> Claudia. The dream had failed him while he was alive; if ever
>> there was an opportunity it could be revived it was now,
>> Claudia was having this conversation in her mind.
>>
>> On the way home, Gormai told Claudia that the Ferraos said
>> they liked her, that they were willing to go ahead with the
>> match even without dowry; they told Gormai that the priests
>> and elders of Oroshim had given a good reference about
>> Claudia. The news brought a strange thrill to her heart.
>>
>> Later that evening; sitting in front of the fire, while
>> heating up water to bathe, Claudia was lost in t

Re: [Goanet] : MANUFACTURING CONTROVERSITIES

[Eugene Correia]

is there s link to the Assembly speech? I saw some clips on FB but could
get his whole speech?

However. From the clips, saying that Goans are migrating abroad for
"sandass" cleaning or it could imply as "odd" jobs.is not civil not
charitable to Goans going abroad.
When jobs are at a discount in Goa, making a livelihood through whatever
means is the best, maybe not the only, option.
One may not be able to be fully patriotic on an empty stomach. I have met
Gujarati business-oriented people newly migrated to Toronto.

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018, 9:20 AM John Eric Gomes  wrote:

>
> TRUTH VERSUS HYPE
> Screaming headlines "PM gear outlandish" and  union ministers see insults
> and want apologies from Congress! Fact is Sashi Tharoor speaking at a
> seminar " Standing Upto Hatred, Violence and Intolerance in Contemprary
> India" stated Modi and for that matter India Gandhi too went around wearing
> various outlandish/ extraordinary headgears offered to them, but Modi
> refuses an offered skull cap! That is what should have been emphasized?
> Further, the hats/gear may look great on a tribal, but many feel, not only
> Taroor that Modi looks funny wearing some of those head gears. That does
> not mean he should not wear them to appease tribals etc. Why cannot someone
> have different point of view, feelings/perceptions? Why the intolerance and
> quoting without reference to the context and what it was clearly meant to
> convey? The media must realize that being only too ready these days (most
> of them) to manufactured hype, specially pandering to the government in
> power is doing a great diservice to the citizen and discredit to themselves!
> Take Pratapsingh Rane's much quoted toilet cleaning indiscreetly worded
> outburst in the Assembly. I have witnessed it live and he spoke in konkani,
> passionately the way locals speak and I heard thumping of desks at this! It
> is clear what he meant to convey and the worst possible interpretation in
> english has been blown out of proportion. I cannot blame others because
> they see headlines and read the reportage and react. I too would have been
> indignant had I not witnessed the whole thing live on Television!
>

Re: [Goanet] Sattari Rane’s “Contribution” To Goa

[Eugene Correia]

 All this snafu over "toilets" is pissing me off .
Somebody on FB said, Rane should know that in England the word used is
"Washroom" or "Restroom." I think, washroom is because the room has a
wash-basin for washing hands after the use of toilet-paper. in most men's
washrooms have urinals. Restrooms are largely spacious rooms for
relaxation, and may or may not have toilets.

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 4:01 PM Eugene Correia 
wrote:

> Not necessary. I find the commentary sound but bit off-the-point in some
> places. One must know the history of the Ranes of Sattari to fully
> understand the context of the writer of the piece on Rane Sr.  He's isn't
> just the one who has dirty hands but  almost all of them. Corruption is
> rampant in Indian politics, and why should Goa be an exception? A wide
> broom is needed to clean the mess, yeah, a BIG toilet-brush to clean the
> filth, the shit that's left on the Indian political landscape.
> Therefore, there's an urgent need to find a cleaner who can clean India's
> political toilets. Is there such a man in Indian politics?
>
> Eugene
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 2:11 PM Roland Francis 
> wrote:
>
>> I can’t vouch for this litany, but it needs to be in the wind.
>>
>> Quote
>> The family lineage of Pratap is linked to marauders, looters and thieves
>> who used to plunder the population of Goa, take women captive and even loot
>> temples. They became vassals of the Portuguese, swore allegiance to
>> colonial masters and paid taxes to them collected from Goan serfs.
>>
>> By chance was made a MLA and Minister by Bandodkar, but betrayed the MGP
>> and was among the first defectors to join Congress. Was lucky to be picked
>> by AN Naik and made a compromise CM due to crab fights between Naik and
>> Willy.
>>
>> As long reigning CM did nothing for Goa, but built a dam near his
>> property, cultivated farms, became a rich farmer and exported vegetables
>> and milk to Maharastra, earning in lakhs in 50 years ago rupees. Only
>> contribution to Goa was Kadamba Transport.
>>
>> Had lived on Government largesse right from 1972. Does not carry money
>> since doors open to him in hotels, restaurants, bookshops and elsewhere.
>>
>> One case of corruption was filed against him by Dubhashi, not seen to be
>> corrupt but allowed his ministers to loot and allowed the culture of
>> corruption to destroy Goa. His only interest was his chair.
>>
>> Though he speaks in Konkani, he cannot take off the tag of being
>> ANTI-GOAN. He never took oath in Konkani but only English or Hindi. He
>> allowed Goa to burn during the Language agitation and refused to grant
>> Official Status to Konkani and parked himself in Delhi, such that Rajiv
>> Gandhi had to chase him and tell him to go to Goa and solve the Language
>> Tangle. The Language Bill was pushed by Rajiv Gandhi.
>>
>> Who elected Pratap as leader? he himself? or the people? How did he
>> become CM on his own or due to support from people of different
>> communities.
>>
>> The current “toilet-cleaner” remarks are not only anti-Goan but also
>> communal. While some Goans possibly do menial jobs, his feudal mentality
>> has blinded him to the present PM of Portugal being Goan by origin; the
>> long serving MP of UK being Goan by ancestry adding to a list of many MPs
>> and people of authority in UK, Portugal and other countries in Europe,
>> America, Australia and Africa.
>>
>> Why has Pratap not left Goa and why is he a slave of the BJP?
>> Pratap still holds the colonial Portuguese ‘Mokasdari’ fiefdoms in
>> Sattari, where the people living on the land are his slaves. They do not
>> have tenancy rights and hence Pratap has camped here so that no CM extends
>> tenancy rights to Sattari. (Sanvordem, Keri, Poriem, Saleli, Advoi are the
>> villages in Sattari where the Mokasdari system of land tenure exists since
>> the Portuguese regime. Rane and Desai families in Sattari are the title
>> holders to fiefdoms granted to them by the old rulers as a reward for
>> military services rendered by their ancestors.This is also the case in
>> Pernem). He is aware that the BJP ringmaster knows this, hence he is
>> mortally scared of the BJP. Besides  now of course his son has joined BJP
>> to evade the Sex Scandal near Dhempe college, the whip of this case is
>> still with ringmaster; and to evade his many scams of the past as minister.
>>
>> Lastly, after 46 years as MLA, what is Pratap's contribution to Goa.
>> Nothing! He has been a selfish politician, not known to help the poor and
>> needy like Bandodkar did. Looked after family and his property. He is the
>> oldest serving politician and still craves to be CM. Is there no retirement
>> age for this anti-Goan, feudal, communal, lucky, opportunist?
>>
>> Roland.
>>
>>

Re: [Goanet] YOUR TIME IS UP MR PRATAPSINGH RAOJI RANE

[Eugene Correia]

Trust Aires to say anything... this advocate withdrew his murder threat
case against Rane Jr. Why?

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 12:51 AM Aires Rodrigues 
wrote:

> The wide spread global indignation of former Chief Minister Pratapsingh
> Rane and that very severe fury against him comes as no surprise. His very
> humiliating words against Goans working abroad while addressing the Goa
> Legislative Assembly on Friday 3rd August has rightly infuriated Goans
> across the world besides their families and friends in Goa. It was indeed a
> very Black Friday for every Goan with Pratapisngh Rane having had that
> audacity to belittle and mock the Goans who are working hard to earn a
> living abroad.
>
> These Goans had made the choice to leave their homeland to seek betterment
> abroad as they did not find opportunities presented locally by the very
> people they had elected to lead them. These leaders were too busy living a
> lifestyle funded in a large part by looting those very people they now dare
> to mock. So easy to say "I'm all right Jack!" Shame on Mr. Pratapsingh
> Rane!
>
> Being Chief Minister of Goa from 1979 to 1990 and again from 2005 to 2007
> perhaps Mr. Rane would like to enumerate how he helped these people?
>
> In the public domain: Wikipedia states:
>
> He has also been accused by businessman Bhalchandra Naik for demanding Rs
> 10 Crore for being granted Environmental clearance for a mine, of which Rs
> 6 Crore had been paid to his son Vishwajit Rane, MLA from Valpoi.
>
> It’s time for Pratapsingh Rane to hang his boots, now that he publicly has
> gravely offended Goa and Goans. The only way Forward for Pratapsingh Rane
> who will soon turn 80 is to forthwith gracefully resign or face the wrath
> of Goans at the very fag end of his life.
>
> Pratapsingh Rane, with his son on the bandwagon, has lived at tax payers’
> expense a King’s life for 46 long years as MLA while holding positions as
> Minister, Chief Minister, Speaker and Leader of Opposition. He should not
> wait to be flushed with a plunger down Goa’s now stinking political drain.
> Once a Hero Pratapsingh Rane has proved to be a grand Zero.
>
> https://youtu.be/atVYcmvE000
>
>
> Aires Rodrigues
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Mobile No: 9822684372
>
> Office Tel  No: (0832) 2444012
>
> Email: airesrodrigu...@gmail.com
>
>  Or
>
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>
> You can also reach me on
>
> Facebook.com/ AiresRodrigues
>
> Twitter@rodrigues_aires
>
>
> www.airesrodrigues.com
>

Re: [Goanet] Senior Rane needs to read Gandhi

[Eugene Correia]

I am trying to make sense of Rane's statement. Methinks, he was indirectly
referring to Catholic Goans who have migrated en masse to England on
Portuguese passports. Rane's political base consists largely of Hindu Goans
and he's not afraid to offend Catholic Goans, though he didn't specific. As
they say, one must read between the lines. Or, as Georges Bush said, "Read
my lips."
To me, this political shit is nothing but vote-catching strategy. It
further divides Goan society. Politics often ruins everything, and India is
a fine example of it.

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 3:19 PM Venantius J Pinto 
wrote:

> Dear Gabe,
>
> As far as I know, poskotto means bladder. Perhaps used for tube (air) too.
> Like the bladder in the football.
>
> I am juggling a lot, but if things click then it would be great to
> visualize a book on Konkani proverbs (hard-hitting drawings), and indeed
> curses (xirap), considering that although not a linguist, and I make
> errors, but do cover a lot of textual ground. Any serious sponsors?
>
> :)
> Venantius
>
> On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 9:30 AM, Gabe Menezes 
> wrote:
>
> > On 8 August 2018 at 04:55, Venantius J Pinto 
> > wrote:
> >
> > > More like have a sip of piss with some ice cubes. From his own
> poskotto,
> > of
> > > course.
> > > All gnyan being contained in it.
> > >
> > > Leave them bovines alone.
> > >
> > > II Sat gamaya !!
> > >
> > > Venantius J Pinto
> > >
> >
> > Dear Venatius,
> >
> > Pray, please educate me, there was one called a poskotto, meaning
> football?
> > in Nairobi. What is the correct translation S.V.P.?
> >
> > Gabe Menezes.
> >
>

Re: [Goanet] Sattari Rane’s “Contribution” To Goa

[Eugene Correia]

Not necessary. I find the commentary sound but bit off-the-point in some
places. One must know the history of the Ranes of Sattari to fully
understand the context of the writer of the piece on Rane Sr.  He's isn't
just the one who has dirty hands but  almost all of them. Corruption is
rampant in Indian politics, and why should Goa be an exception? A wide
broom is needed to clean the mess, yeah, a BIG toilet-brush to clean the
filth, the shit that's left on the Indian political landscape.
Therefore, there's an urgent need to find a cleaner who can clean India's
political toilets. Is there such a man in Indian politics?

Eugene

On Wed, Aug 8, 2018 at 2:11 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> I can’t vouch for this litany, but it needs to be in the wind.
>
> Quote
> The family lineage of Pratap is linked to marauders, looters and thieves
> who used to plunder the population of Goa, take women captive and even loot
> temples. They became vassals of the Portuguese, swore allegiance to
> colonial masters and paid taxes to them collected from Goan serfs.
>
> By chance was made a MLA and Minister by Bandodkar, but betrayed the MGP
> and was among the first defectors to join Congress. Was lucky to be picked
> by AN Naik and made a compromise CM due to crab fights between Naik and
> Willy.
>
> As long reigning CM did nothing for Goa, but built a dam near his
> property, cultivated farms, became a rich farmer and exported vegetables
> and milk to Maharastra, earning in lakhs in 50 years ago rupees. Only
> contribution to Goa was Kadamba Transport.
>
> Had lived on Government largesse right from 1972. Does not carry money
> since doors open to him in hotels, restaurants, bookshops and elsewhere.
>
> One case of corruption was filed against him by Dubhashi, not seen to be
> corrupt but allowed his ministers to loot and allowed the culture of
> corruption to destroy Goa. His only interest was his chair.
>
> Though he speaks in Konkani, he cannot take off the tag of being
> ANTI-GOAN. He never took oath in Konkani but only English or Hindi. He
> allowed Goa to burn during the Language agitation and refused to grant
> Official Status to Konkani and parked himself in Delhi, such that Rajiv
> Gandhi had to chase him and tell him to go to Goa and solve the Language
> Tangle. The Language Bill was pushed by Rajiv Gandhi.
>
> Who elected Pratap as leader? he himself? or the people? How did he become
> CM on his own or due to support from people of different communities.
>
> The current “toilet-cleaner” remarks are not only anti-Goan but also
> communal. While some Goans possibly do menial jobs, his feudal mentality
> has blinded him to the present PM of Portugal being Goan by origin; the
> long serving MP of UK being Goan by ancestry adding to a list of many MPs
> and people of authority in UK, Portugal and other countries in Europe,
> America, Australia and Africa.
>
> Why has Pratap not left Goa and why is he a slave of the BJP?
> Pratap still holds the colonial Portuguese ‘Mokasdari’ fiefdoms in
> Sattari, where the people living on the land are his slaves. They do not
> have tenancy rights and hence Pratap has camped here so that no CM extends
> tenancy rights to Sattari. (Sanvordem, Keri, Poriem, Saleli, Advoi are the
> villages in Sattari where the Mokasdari system of land tenure exists since
> the Portuguese regime. Rane and Desai families in Sattari are the title
> holders to fiefdoms granted to them by the old rulers as a reward for
> military services rendered by their ancestors.This is also the case in
> Pernem). He is aware that the BJP ringmaster knows this, hence he is
> mortally scared of the BJP. Besides  now of course his son has joined BJP
> to evade the Sex Scandal near Dhempe college, the whip of this case is
> still with ringmaster; and to evade his many scams of the past as minister.
>
> Lastly, after 46 years as MLA, what is Pratap's contribution to Goa.
> Nothing! He has been a selfish politician, not known to help the poor and
> needy like Bandodkar did. Looked after family and his property. He is the
> oldest serving politician and still craves to be CM. Is there no retirement
> age for this anti-Goan, feudal, communal, lucky, opportunist?
>
> Roland.
>
>

[Goanet] Can anyone explain?

[Eugene Correia]

I am late in reading Herald's editorial of July 28. I can't understand the 
heading and the last two lines of the last para quoted below.
---
Bhiee…tuka late zalo
... And you dear Goan was just another tool to bestow upon him, unchallenged 
and unfathomed power. Tuka late zalo. 
--
Eugene Correia

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Re: [Goanet] Goanet, A Country For Old Men

[Eugene Correia]

Maybe I can just a tail-twister, but goanet needs neck-twisters. When you are 
at a loss of reasoning, you come with absurd statements. 

Eugene


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> On Jul 27, 2018, at 2:41 AM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Aaah, what would we do without tail twisters like Eugene

Re: [Goanet] Goanet, A Country For Old Men

[Eugene Correia]

Fred, you don't even have to answer any of my questions. You are the Minister 
of Offence. Don't kniw what secret I spilled out.mPlease let me knkwn. Earlier, 
you said I am loose with facts. I haven't deliberately written any falsehood. 
Please let me know what you told me in secret that I let thecworld kniw about 
you.  
As for lighting fires, I wish Herman occasionally makes his present here. You 
have virtual seized goanet, and you are happy perhaps that Herman  is owner of 
goanet just in name. Please let me know which cyber sites are controlled by you 
besides goanet, gia book clu, goajourno, saligao net. You are an one-man army. 
No wonder one moderator parted ways, perhaps because of your self-righteous 
ways.
Your friend's honourary title of MOU fits you perfectly.

Eugene

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> On Jul 26, 2018, at 3:04 PM, Frederick Noronha  
> wrote:
> 
> Eugene is always there to light the fire, even if Herman is busy living and
> contributing to the real world. (For those who might not know, he is one of
> the few if not only Goans I know that is both an engineer and a medical
> doctor!) To his credit, without micro-managing he has kept Goanet going
> till its entry into its silver jubilee year.
> 
> As for Goajourno, I have already said elsewhere that I don't feel obliged
> to answer every of Eugene's questions, because of my experience of him
> sharing even personal comments and information I had trusted him with in
> personal email.
> 
> Baila? Here's some from Mangalore https://youtu.be/PcVP68NF9as my friend
> Alan often reminds me that Goans have forgotten their first diaspora and
> probably their largest -- Mangaloreans.
> 
> FN
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> 
>> On Thu, 26 Jul 2018, 02:46 Eugene Correia,  wrote:
>> 
>> Where is Herman? I has said in the past that he's Rip Van Wrinkle. Maybe,
>> he will wake up in another five years at least.
>> Yeah, the young and mid-aged members are watching from the sidelines.
>> Even, goajourno, another Fred's baby, is "sleepy". I havd posted a query
>> and no replies, perhaps no one wants to stick his/her neck out.
>> Can I give Utube links to Punjabi/Tamil songs, now that we have Baila
>> songs?
>> Eugene
>> 
>> On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 12:44 PM Roland Francis 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> I’ve been told Goanet (except for FN who is slowly, or quickly getting
>>> there) is now a place for old men. Those who write and those who read.
>> See
>>> the music, see the nostalgia, see the regular or occasional peeping in.
>>> 
>>> Most of the young adults, in this context all those aged up to 60, have
>>> migrated to the Facebook version.
>>> 
>>> If this is true, then what the oldies specially from the Diaspora think,
>>> must have made this a very important place, judging from everybody who
>>> wants a piece of it, one way or another.
>>> 
>>> Roland.
>> 

Re: [Goanet] Stories on Goan food

[Eugene Correia]

Whst happened to old ones like City Kitchen and Kitchenette.
This new article featured Snowflake where I spent many hours of my
childhood and adulthood before coming to Canada.
Joanna, you missed Croquettes, for which Goans came from long distances.
On my visit to Mumbai some 4 yes ago, I was treated to Lunch.
Sad that both brothers,, Francis and Tony, passed away in their prime.
Both were my closet friends.

Eugene


On Thu, Jul 26, 2018, 9:38 AM Joanna Lobo  wrote:

> Hello
>
> Am sending in links to two articles I wrote on Goan food recently. Iwould
> appreciate it if you could put it in the newsletter.
>
> One is an introduction to kismur that apeared in Mint Lounge.
> Link:
>
> https://www.livemint.com/Leisure/7qvyK5z9w7zQkOHMr9to6I/Save-it-for-a-rainy-day.html
>
> A guide to Goan restaurants in Mumbai, appeared in The City Story.
> Link: https://thecitystory.com/goan-food-guide/
>
> Thank you
>
> --
>
> Joanna Lobo 
> Independent journalist
> M: 9960 453 453
>

Re: [Goanet] Goanet, A Country For Old Men

[Eugene Correia]

Where is Herman? I has said in the past that he's Rip Van Wrinkle. Maybe,
he will wake up in another five years at least.
Yeah, the young and mid-aged members are watching from the sidelines.
Even, goajourno, another Fred's baby, is "sleepy". I havd posted a query
and no replies, perhaps no one wants to stick his/her neck out.
Can I give Utube links to Punjabi/Tamil songs, now that we have Baila songs?
Eugene

On Wed, Jul 25, 2018, 12:44 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> I’ve been told Goanet (except for FN who is slowly, or quickly getting
> there) is now a place for old men. Those who write and those who read. See
> the music, see the nostalgia, see the regular or occasional peeping in.
>
> Most of the young adults, in this context all those aged up to 60, have
> migrated to the Facebook version.
>
> If this is true, then what the oldies specially from the Diaspora think,
> must have made this a very important place, judging from everybody who
> wants a piece of it, one way or another.
>
> Roland.
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Furture of GoaNet

[Eugene Correia]

Hi,
 i don't know what's the technical difference between Goanet and Goa Book Club. 
If the GBC way is better, so it should be impleted. To me, content is King.
How to get the make goanet buzz with activity? FB has tiartr sites where music 
video links are featured. I get news of new videos and songs. I recently got Cd 
of Omor Mogachi Kanni, by Babli, daughter of Bab Peter and Ophelia.
The song of the day by Con Nenezes was the start, and occassional posting by 
Gabe was a follow-up. Now it has swelled. Hope it doesn't tyrn into a flood.

Eugene

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> On Jul 25, 2018, at 12:45 PM, Eddie  wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> 1. I have addressed individuals in this post because for some reason GoaNet 
> does not accept my posts. Just ignores them.
> 
> 2. I have been enjoying Roland's music posts. Never heard most of them before.
> 
> 3. I had proposed to FN that GoaNet be upgraded/modernised.
> 
> How? By converting to a FORMATTED version, so it is on par with Goa Book 
> Club. We can then include bold/italic/images in submitted posts.
> I've not had a response from FN and am tempted to conclude that for some 
> reason he is less than enthusiastic.
> In my view, it will be much more attractive to contribute to the formatted 
> GoaNet.
> Would Roland & Eugene offer support?
> 
> Eddie
> 
> 
> -Original Message- From: Eugene Correia
> Sent: Wednesday, July 25, 2018 2:31 PM
> To: goa...@goanet.org
> Subject: Re: [Goanet] Ek Pyar Ka Nagma Hai
> 
> I was about to cry reading "late" Lata Mangeshkar, as I said to myself how 
> come I missed reading about her death. Then checked goanet archives I saw the 
> second message, and I was to cry aloud with laughter.
> Anyway, thanks to George for bringing Lata back to life  Indeed, ek nagma hai.
> If I had erred in putting out such a post, I would, first and foremost, 
> apologize.
> 
> Eugene Correia
> 
> Sent from my iPad 

Re: [Goanet] Ek Pyar Ka Nagma Hai

[Eugene Correia]

I was about to cry reading "late" Lata Mangeshkar, as I said myself how
come I missed reading about her death. Then check goanet archives I saw the
fsecond message, and I was to cry aloud with laughter.
Anyway, thanks to George for bringing Lata back to life.. and perhaps
should do the kicking. Didn't know George does miracles by the grace of St.
Joseph Vaz (Naik).  Indeed, ek nagma hai.
If I had erred in putting out such a post, I would apologize.

Eugene Correia

Re: [Goanet] Ek Pyar Ka Nagma Hai

[Eugene Correia]

I was about to cry reading "late" Lata Mangeshkar, as I said to myself how come 
I missed reading about her death. Then checked goanet archives I saw the second 
message, and I was to cry aloud with laughter.
Anyway, thanks to George for bringing Lata back to life  Indeed, ek nagma hai.
If I had erred in putting out such a post, I would, first and foremost, 
apologize. 

Eugene Correia

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[Goanet] Goanet is evolving... a new avatar

[Eugene Correia]

Over the last couple of months, I have noticed a spate of Utube links to 
Konkani songs as well as old English favourites. Goanet seems to be losing its 
focus, going astray.
Fred used to provide statistics on who posted the highest number of posts. Wish 
to know who is at the top in recent times. Requesting Fred to also give the 
total figure of subscribers. 

Eugene


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Re: [Goanet] A Pension From Bardroy.

[Eugene Correia]

I don't swallow this argument. Bardroy made money on the movie,  and Lornna 
perhaps didn't get a pie from it. I find it ridiculous to read that Lorna gets 
gigs because Bardroy made her famous.  Maybe, the movie is NOT a total biopic 
on her, but involves her and Chris. IF I understand 
correctly, Lorna has been rewarded by Bardroy and, hence, makes more money than 
her usual fame would have brought in. The argument cuts both ways. If it wasn't 
for the movie, perhaps GOA would have not invited her nor would she have 
invited elsewhere to sing. In the non-traditional sense, Lorna is perversely 
earning a pension. Those who want to swallow this argument, please do so. As 
for me, It makes me go to sleep. Good night.

Eugene Correia


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> On Jul 22, 2018, at 9:42 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> To clarify, it’s not a pension in the traditional sense. 
> 
> He made a movie and she gets gigs because of it. He increased the aura around 
> her and that will get her that much more of an income as long as she uses her 
> fame.
> 
> Roland.
> 

Re: [Goanet] Lorna at the BMX picnic Toronto

[Eugene Correia]

As far as I know, Lorna was labeled a "legend" before the movie, Nach Kumpasar, 
was madeby Bardoy. In fact, the film-maker cashed on her status. Though  Bardoy 
maintained the film was a tribute to Goan musicians, he had fooled no one. I 
believe Lorna withdrew her approval, and Bardoy was left with no option but to 
come up with such concoction.
Lorna was popular with all classes of people who love and spoke Konkani. The 
new generation og Goans swing to her songs as well as sing them at parties. 
Hernumbers are still sung by crooners, both male and female, at Goan weddings 
in Goa.
It's sad that she lost 23 years because of her break-up with Chris. I had 
occassion to pick up a fight with Chris Perry in Dubai. After agreeing to 
perform one last time with Lorna in Toronto, he came up later with a condition 
that he would oerform if only Lorna gives an open apology.
I said it's unfair of him for demanding an apology, for The fault lsy eith both 
of them for their break-up. Kniwing hiw adamant Chris is, he refused my offer.
Shocked to read that Lorna is living on a pension, courtesy Bardroy. Such a 
low-blow against a singer who continues to thrall loving-speaking Goans like 
myself even with her "croaky voice". CYeah, she has passed her prime but she's 
still a crowd-puller everywhere konkani-loving Goans (yeah, Swindon-type) are 
present and willing to go distances to hear her.
In fact, I had received an email from someone saying she was at the pivnic and 
Lorna and her sister, Clementine, were there. Her other sister, Jean, my 
classmate, was a singing while still in school for a jazz band at Venice. I 
think she sang for the famous Johnny Rodrigues and his band. I was told she's 
in Austria.

Eugene Correia


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> On Jul 22, 2018, at 6:05 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> The BMX is an alumni association of Britto’s and Mary’s Schools and St 
> Xavier’s College, all in the Mapusa area of Goa.
> 
> A good proportion of the students in these institutions were from Mapusa and 
> surrounding villages. Most of them resettled overseas, East Africa and then 
> beyond. Aldona and Saligao were major feeders to these schools.
> 
> Their annual picnic was well organized and moderately attended. Live music 
> was provided by “Liquid Blue”. 
> 
> When it is a Saturday, the sun mild and the breezes cool, with music wafting 
> from the centre of the field and a stream babbling all around the spot, with 
> Konkani and Portuguese songs interspersed with well-arranged music there's 
> little more you can ask. Colin D’Cruz was mentioned. Don’t know if he was 
> part of the band. 
> 
> As soon as Lorna’s presence with her red head or henna-dyed coiff was 
> mentioned, many stood to get a glance at her with a buzz heard around the 
> grounds. She didn’t sing, just came as a teaser to her performance at next 
> Saturday’s Viva Goa at the very same venue. 
> 
> FN was right about her general popularity. I thought she was big only among 
> the Swindon-type - no, I’m not being prude, but it seems she is still a hit 
> among others too, croaky voice or not. With the recent movie about her life 
> having almost made her a legend coupled with the sympathy of a career 
> controlled by someone she loved and the memory of her poignant songs sung in 
> a much younger and romantic avatar, it seems her persona has overwhelmed her 
> present ability to sing. Good for you Lorna! A pension from Bardroy Britto.
> 
> Roland. 
> 

Re: [Goanet] MOGAN ASUNK BOREM (MOLBAILO DOU)

[Eugene Correia]

Hearing it attentuvely, I heard different word to an original word. As the 
credits rolled on st tge end, I read tgat it was performed in Mangalore. 
Proobably, all singers are Mangolearns and, accent-wise, their Konkani differs 
from that of Goans. 
Wish C. Alvares was alive today to hear this version. Don't know if Frank 
Fernand is still alive. Song  brings memories of chats with both of them on the 
aspects of the movie and songs.
Eugene

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> On Jul 22, 2018, at 12:32 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> An old classic given a new form and sung in chorus.
> 
> https://youtu.be/mzNc05Tx7Og
> 
> Roland.
> 

[Goanet] india's political history

[Eugene Correia]

 I am learning India's political history from GOANET. If I am not mistaken, Goa 
was a coly of Portugal. It didn't matter if Goa was declared as "Estado da 
India", to an attempt to legitimize its claim over Goa.
People with pro-Portuguese feelings say Goa was "grabbed", "stolen" "illegally 
invaded" while some want Goa to be an independent country. 
Tibet was not a colony of China though it could have been part of mainland 
China more than 800 years ago. In more sense than one, Tibet was culturally 
linked to India.
The northeast part of India is a different case. China even demands Arunchal 
Pradesh on the same ground it took over Tibet. Tibetians  want their own 
country and the FREE TIBET movement wants to achieve that goal.
The two other colonial powers in India, Britain and France, left India in their 
own ways. The British played a sinister role in splitting the nation into two, 
while France gave away Pondicherry  (now Puducherry) in akund gesture. 
If Portugal had done the same, it would have benn a honourable departure for 
Portugal. Or, it should have gone away with a condition that Goa would be an 
independent country. Portugal paid a price for its obtinancy.

Eugene Correia

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Re: [Goanet] When Uncouth Media Meets The Dummy.

[Eugene Correia]

Bishop Theodore Mascarenhas is the official spokesperson of tge CBCI, white 
Sunuta is spokesperson for the Missionaries. 
In the context of Arnab's manner of conducting debates, it is always a shouting 
match. He overspeaks over others or never gives hus panellists time enough to 
express their opinions. Seems he comes with an agenda. He has been a 
loudspeaker for the BJP, and the BJP has oroved to be an anti-minority party. 
Republic TV is partly owned by a BJP MP. 
The CBCI bas already issued a press statement and it's a restrained one, both 
in language and tone. On TV, Sunita shiwed herself as a refined person. It was 
not for herbto fight back in sound and furuy against a known bombastic anchor. 
i have seen reasoned and passionate arguments by the regular TV panellist, John 
Datay, former president of the All-India Catholic Forum, and secretary-general 
of the All-India Christian Forum, being dished out by Arnab. One must watch the 
sane media channels as they conduct debates in an exemplary way. Unfortunately, 
Indian media is under pressure today.
The Missionary case is unravelling. Caution is the order of the day. Its 
troubling times for minorities in India. Hopefully, bad times will roll by. 

Eugene

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> On Jul 21, 2018, at 10:46 PM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Arnab Goswami who earned his spurs at Times Now, got famous and then 
> notorious, crossed several lines and ultimately had to part ways to form his 
> own TV station, has a brash and aggressive manner and tactics that would make 
> him unfit for credibility. Which is not to say he cannot drive home a point 
> he wants to make.
> 
> You pit a docile, dummy of a spokeswoman against him on TV, specially one 
> like Sunita Kumar who has not taken stock of the facts or is not trained for 
> the rough and tumble of the media arena and you get a slaughter like you see 
> on this clip.
> 
> What are the Missionaries of Charity, or the big guns of the Indian Catholic 
> Church doing? Sleeping?
> 
> Or is it they have no case at all, like the other dummy Bishop Theodore 
> Mascarenhas who is equally dumbfounding in his defence of the Missionaries of 
> Charity.
> 
> High time the Church in India builds up a professional media team that 
> reflects in modern times all the work they do that benefits the people around 
> them.
> 
> Not enough to silently work expecting God will be on your side when the fit 
> hits the shan.
> 
> https://youtu.be/ibOD0OjInK8
> 
> Roland.
> 

[Goanet] In India’s ‘Chennai Horror,’ 17 men face charges in the sexual assault of a 12-year-old girl with a hearing disorder - Toronto Star

[Eugene Correia]

In India’s ‘Chennai Horror,’ 17 men face charges in the sexual assault of a 
12-year-old girl with a hearing disorder 
https://www.thestar.com/opinion/star-columnists/2018/07/20/in-indias-chennai-horror-17-men-face-charges-in-the-sexual-assault-of-a-12-year-old-girl-with-a-hearing-disorder.html


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Re: [Goanet] Brampton, Canada's Mini Punjab

[Eugene Correia]

Can't understand why there's question mark on Dhobitalao being mini Goa. 
Dhobitalao is still referred to as mini-Goa. Well, Malton was the first Little 
Punjab. Then, Springdale in Mississauga was nicknamed Singhdale.

Gerrard St is still referred to as Little India, though its chsracter has 
changed. I have seen artsy shops there. I ate at a Nepali restaurant. 
Bangladeshis and Sri Lankans have made their presence there in a substantial 
way.

Eugene

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> On Jul 20, 2018, at 11:58 AM, Roland Francis  wrote:
> 
> Remember Dhobitalao was once Bombay’s mini Goa?
> 
> Brampton near Toronto and Surrey near Vancouver are mini Punjabs. Bustling 
> and affluent but you could be mistaken into thinking you are in Ludhiana - 
> chaat, samosa, lassi and all.
> 
> https://youtu.be/R3pZ_ZaRJDg
> 
> Roland Francis
> Scarborough.
> 

Re: [Goanet] Mother Teresa: good or evil? Debate (part 1)

[Eugene Correia]

Most of this anti-Mother Teresa stuff has come as off-shoots from the book,
The Missionary Position, by the atheist, late Christopher Hitchens, the
British writer. I read the book long time ago. I wished the author had
changed his name, for having Christ... in his first name is blasphemous.
Mother's fault was said to have received donation from Jean-Claude
Duvalier, who was known as “Baby *Doc*” . He was a dictator of Haiti.
Well, atheist seize any material and expand on it. Hitchens was a gadfly.
He wrote on many subjects.
His book has spawned TV debates, etc. Now the RSS has found a cause to
target the Missionaries. Whatever the truth, I, for one, do not trust this
BJP government. Less said of the govt. the better.

Eugene


On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 1:30 PM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Marshall you will see both sides here.
>
> https://youtu.be/UdYKsiredbM
>
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>
>

Re: [Goanet] Messi or Ronaldo?

[Eugene Correia]

Yes, Messi came on top in yesterday's match. Perhaps, it was change in
strategy by the coach who was under heavy criticism. Messi came up the
midfield and worked his magic, distributing the ball as well as keeping the
defence on tenterhooks. Messi himself admitted that he admires Ronaldo's
game, but that's was good of him to praise Ronaldo for some of his skills,
especially solo runs.
While Messi can keep the defence guessing and came spring surprises,
Ronaldo has proved to be a good goal-scorer. Both are good players in their
own way. However, I enjoy Messi's maneuvering runs better than Ronaldo's
solo runs.

Eugene

On Wed, Jun 27, 2018 at 8:20 AM, Sandeep Heble 
wrote:

> There are lots of talks and debates on which among them is better, Ronaldo
> or Messi? I would say, both are incredible players, the
> once-in-a-generation kind of players. There can be no doubt about that.
> Both of them have broken all possible records and with many more years of
> good football left in them, we can expect lot more.  If today, these two
> players are playing at such an incredible level, it is simply because both
> of them drive one another. Had it not been for Messi, Ronaldo would not
> have worked that much harder with his game and vice versa. While both
> Ronaldo and Messi have mutual respect and admiration for one another,
> somehow, many fans miss this part. It is one thing to debate which of them
> is better and quite another to pull one or the other down to prove your
> point. This is where I think, a lot of fans get it wrong. Ronaldo fans take
> pot-shots at Messi, cheering every missed penalty or failure and this is
> reciprocated by Messi fans who will take digs at Ronaldo, calling him
> Penaldo and all kinds of other stuff.  Logically, it should be just the
> opposite since day-in and day out these two have been performing. What more
> can one ask? On the field, both Messi and Ronaldo are magicians who
> mesmerise their fans with their skill, hard-work and artistry. In fact, the
> present generation must consider themselves fortunate to have been able to
> watch the two footballing greats in action in the same eras.  Which other
> generation can boast of that? Ronaldo has been a clinical finisher in this
> World Cup while Messi in last night’s high pressure game showed yet again
> how good he is with incredible control and finish. Instead of pulling them
> down depending on whose side we are in, let us simply sit back and enjoy
> their breathtaking football.
>
> warm regards,
>
> Sandeep Heble
>
> Panjim – Goa
>
> Ph – 9326129171
>

[Goanet] Surprise

[Eugene Correia]

Just read Rodrigues' column in the Sunday Navhind Times and was surprised to 
know that the FIFA World Cup is not having an impact in the football-loving 
state. 
The writer gives his opinions why the youth have lost interest and that their 
new-found interests are booze and drugs. Sad that things havve taken such a 
turn. A self-goal perhaps?
Yeah, Portugal has always been favourite of Goa's football-obsessed people.
The writer says Ronaldo is an "enigma", but I like to know why is he so?

Eugene

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Re: [Goanet] The Carlos Cordeiro Story

[Eugene Correia]

A report in India Abroad in March of this year says his father was a
Portuguese and mother a Columbian, and that he came to US from India when
he was 15. He is now 61.

Eugene

On Thu, Jun 14, 2018, 11:51 AM Roland Francis 
wrote:

> Here he is some time ago, making a pitch for President of the US Soccer
> Association, a governing body with a $110 million budget and a $150 million
> reserve.
>
> Harvard educated, he regretfully makes no reference to his Goan origin
> from where his love for soccer must have originated. Instead he just
> mentions he was an Indian immigrant for whom the American Dream worked out.
>
> Roland Francis
> 416-453-3371
>
>
> > On Jun 14, 2018, at 5:36 AM, Gabe Menezes 
> wrote:
> >
> > Saligao must be proud of Carlos Cordeiro, USA Soccer chief.
> >
> > Gabe Menezes.
>
> As an immigrant who came to this great country with my widowed mother and
> three siblings when I was 15—and then worked night jobs during high school
> and work-study in college—I know that when Americans set our sights high,
> we can accomplish anything.  I’ve been blessed to live the American Dream,
> and I want to help our athletes achieve theirs.
>
> This election is not about who can kick the ball, coach a team or serve as
> CEO.  This election is about who has the vision, strategy and skills to
> serve as President of the Board of an organization with a 170-person staff,
> a $110 million budget, a $150 million surplus that needs to be invested
> wisely, more than four million youth, adults, coaches and referees, and
> growing sponsorships and global partnerships.
>
> With more than 30 years of international business expertise, I know how to
> recruit talent and build teams, establish trust, forge consensus and
> coalitions, manage multi-billion-dollar projects and grow businesses in new
> and competitive markets.
>
> I’ve dedicated the past 10 years of my life to USSF as an unpaid volunteer
> because I’m a passionate life-long fan of the game and believe we can take
> the sport to new heights in America.  I was an impartial voice as the
> Federation’s first Independent Director and have taken on additional roles
> and responsibilities to help address the structural and governance
> challenges we face.  After all, governance and growth go hand in hand—we
> won’t achieve more growth until we have great governance that works with
> and for all our members.
>
> Specifically, I’ve helped to significantly increase our finances as
> Treasurer.  I’ve been humbled by the opportunity you’ve given me to serve
> as Vice President for nearly two years.  During this time, I’ve worked hard
> to reform governance and create new committees so that the Board is engaged
> in more decisions and is more transparent and accountable—and I know that
> even more progress is needed.  In addition, I am proud to represent U.S.
> Soccer at the global level where I work closely with our international
> partners as a member of the CONCACAF Council and FIFA’s Stakeholders
> Committee.
>
> I will always be guided by the only question that matters—what’s best for
> our sport?
>
> My Plan for Change
>
> Over the past several weeks since announcing my candidacy—and throughout
> my time as your Vice President—I’ve met with and listened to many of you.
> I’ve heard your concerns and know how strongly many of you feel about the
> need for systemic and transformational change.  I agree.  Together, we’ve
> brainstormed ideas and collaborated to identify solutions.  My plan for
> change reflects our shared goals, and, working together, my plan can become
> our plan.
>
> If elected, I’ll work tirelessly—in a spirit of respect and inclusion for
> all our members—to preserve what’s right and fix what’s wrong.  To put us
> on par with the best soccer programs in the world—many of which already
> have much larger budgets than we do—I believe we should develop a plan to
> significantly grow our budget over the coming decade and use those funds to
> increase investments in all our players at all levels.
>
> I’ll lead a comprehensive and fearless review of all major issues, with a
> focus on three priority areas:
>
> Grow the Game at All Levels—To continue growing soccer in America at all
> levels and increasing U.S. Soccer membership, we must not only Serve the
> Athlete and Serve the Fans, we must Serve all our Members with a new
> Membership Department at Soccer House.  We should invest new resources to
> make soccer more accessible and affordable for youth, especially in our
> cities and underserved communities; treat referees with greater respect;
> help grow membership in adult programs; further develop our professional
> leagues; and advance our goal of significantly increasing our budget by
> building even stronger corporate partnerships, including sponsorships.
>
> Develop World-Class National Teams—To make sure that our women defend
> their World Cup championship in 2019, ensure that our men return to the
> World Cup in 2022 and that both our 

[Goanet] Saturday's match

[Eugene Correia]

A TSN commentator said Saturday's match between Spain vs Portugal will be 
"mouth-watering".  Perhaps,  like balchao!

Eugene
.

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Re: [Goanet] Julio Ribeiro's point of view....

[Eugene Correia]

Just to point out, Julio missed his first option to be a Journalist, just
as his cousin or relative (I could be corrected on this).
Dom Moraes wrote fine piece on Julio in the now-defunct IMPRINT.
Julio would have been as good a journalist as he was a policeman.

Eugene



On Fri, Jun 1, 2018, 11:29 PM Bernice Pereira 
wrote:

> Fine. Then if so, why do they unleash the tongues of persons like Mohan
> Bhagwat and the other Sanghis who are polarising us.
>
> Bernice
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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> > On 02-Jun-2018, at 3:56 AM, Frederick Noronha <
> fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgBdN4MxV0A
> > [Do see the comments below...]
> >
> > This is what Nitin Gadkari responded to Ribeiro, in 2015:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1WILm6DjqBk
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Re: [Goanet] Trump says he'll pardon conservative filmmaker Dinesh D’Souza

[Eugene Correia]

This Bandra boy was riding a high horse, till he fell off the horse for a 
gamble he took. At ine tine, he was a high-profile advsor in the Bush (I think) 
administration.
His books on education and racism are controversial. He also wrote a small book 
on theology.

Eugene


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> On May 31, 2018, at 10:17 AM, Gabe Menezes  wrote:
> 
> https://www.politico.com/story/2018/05/31/trump-says-hell-pardon-conservative-filmmaker-dinesh-dsouza-615326
> -- 
> DEV BOREM KORUM
> 
> Gabe Menezes.

Re: [Goanet] Asif Currimbhoy's GOA

[Eugene Correia]

Fred,
Volunteer for what? Translating a book? Please be more explanatory, and
that would help me know your thoughts.
In my life, I have volunteer and am still doing for an organization.
I don't understand your purpose in make these suggestions. Please send me
the laws of volunteering and since you're expert on
cyber-world, give links to such sites. Please don't tell me to google it
myself.

Eugene

On Tue, May 22, 2018 at 12:37 PM, Frederick Noronha <
fredericknoron...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Eugene,
>
> Don't forget the first-law-of-volunteering.
>
> You have to volunteer yourself. You can't volunteer someone else.
>
> FN
>
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> On 22 May 2018 at 19:18, Eugene Correia <eugene.corr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Just a thought, would't it be good if the plsybwas translated into
> Konkani
> > and out on stage? It's a challenge and a Konkani writer/playwright must
> > take it up Something different for Konkani theatre-lovers than the usual
> > masala tiatrs.
> >
> > Eugene Correia
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
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