Re: [Goanet] MP Interview
Anesimo Fernandes said: In one of my earlier posts I said that this interview is important for all Goans and specially the Catholics.We have been fed with completely distorted image about Manohar Parrikar. In fact, I have never seen one man being so much viliified.The press which is controlled by the Mining and Building lobby,which inturn controls the Government, has been the main culprit.One should read the pre-election news items on him. He was portrayed as the SATAN who would destroy the very fabric of goan society. RESPONSE: MP's interview taken by Rajanbab with efforts made by Anandbab, Anilbab deserves a big applause. This 54mins + 1hr 13mins video interview covered most of the things related to Goan politics, Goa's future, Goans, and many other things related to Goa during interaction with MP. As Anesimobab said MP has been portrayed as SATAN not only by mining building lobby but by many others. Looking at present scenario present circumstances only MP deserves to be chairing CM's post, which has been presided over by wrong inefficient people in the past 38 months. Result is as expected, inefficient Governance(I doubt if any Govt exists in Goa at present looking at daily headlines), day today items getting sky rocketed, No control over administration, internal conflicts between ruling MLA's, ministers, etc... what not. May be at the time of next assembly elections Goans will realise their big mistake in 2007 assembly poll try to correct it by bringing back MP to power. I hope Goans dont fall prey to drinks, money or any other influence by these corrupt congress co. candidates during that time which I think was the main reason that we got inefficient, corrupt demented Govt at present. Regards, Kamalaksh
[Goanet] Thanks Digu!
It really gives me a pleasure to thank our beloved CM for giving me an opportunity to see Bihar in Goa itself without spending pie. It is indeed a good and great opportunity for Goans to realize the conditions and status of the day today activities occuring in Bihar. But this man Digu with a great vision has made this facility available to Goans to see the scenario of bihar in Goa. If anyone has any doubt then he or she may kindly refer to newspapers, dailies of past 3-4 days and he will get to know the details. Indeed our CM has this great vision to showcase all that is happening in Country to duplicate it in GoaSEZ, landscams, attack on police, Bandhs, morchas, Burglary, Raasta Roko, attacks on ministers, assault on women, etc..etc.. No CM in the history of Goa has done so many things within a short span of time as CM. He proved all that he promised on day one of is Oath ceremony that his Govt will do anything for aam aadmi and he did it. Only few things are left to be seen i.e. Bomb-blasts, terrorist activities(which will soon sprout if the same routine continues). Digu is trying his all efforts to do that and will definitely come out with good results. I think he got blessing of all Gods/godesses he worshipped so far after he as soon as he chaired as CM. Three cheers for Digukaka...May you always remain the CM of Goa, so that we can realize the horrible life of JK, terrorist activities along border, and all that which was never in the dreams of Goans. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Will BJP act silly in Goa?
Edward Desilva wrote: Hi Goanetters, Here is another BJP madness: http://www.dnaindia.com/report.asp?newsid=1150891 BJP calls nationwide stir against petrol price hike. Petrol prices are going up worldwide, should India be in a turmoil and stop production? Stir? what stir? and who does it hurt in the end? Has the BJP people got their brains in the right place? ED RESPONSE: It seems you are the one who needs to put his brain in the right place first. Because you are favouring the price hikes of UPA alias Congress govt, which has been doing it since it came to power from 2004. No citizen would encourage any hike in petrol prices unless he owns a pterol pump or gain good profits from petrol price hikes. This Congress led UPA Govt has done one thing consistently since it came to power i.e. increasing prices of goods and commodities which aam admi needs everyday. Why only BJP? every aam admi will oppose it or is it necessary that every now and then he should come on roads to protest against such price hikes? It is the duty of Govt which is elected by the people for the people and of the people to maintain control over such price hikes else why do we need Govt? for which we spent crores of Rupees for elections. Why we need such MPs, Ministers who cannot use their brains(if they have one) to curb such hikes. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Pamphlet Circulated for Hindu Dharmajagruti Sabha - protest against MF Husain
Lets forget about his paintings of nude Hindu gods and godesses..as someone may still see it as an modern or some other art or may be MF taking undue advantage of Hindu tolrance. But he went to the extent painting his own mother India nude? He was so obsessed in nudity, vulgarity that he didn't even left mother India from being a part of his so called art. http://www.hindujagruti.org/activities/campaigns/national/mfhussain-campaign/paintings.php Why don't he paint his mother or sister or his own gods in the same manner? Where are all secularists hiding now? Or their secularism limited only to particular section of society? . Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone?
Miguel Braganza wrote: Were you in Panaji between May and November, 2004? Trees were cut at nights, roads were dug up, there was dust and noise all in the name of IFFI. Carnival lasts just three days ... not months!! Forget about the poor, what did the middle class, the rich, the sick and the old in Panaji do during those months? Di the then CM care? No prizes for guessing who the CM was then! RESPONSE: I think you have not witnessed any such event like IFFI before. It was first time that Goa had that honour of hosting it. There were no foundation to organize such big events before. Parrikar made sure that everything is put in place by making his presence during the IFFI works. No other CM in the history of Goa is devoted to work to such an extent. There were no multiplex theatres in Goa and INOX was the need of the hour. Old GMC complex was given a new look and it is one of the best attraction for tourists during IFFI. Roads were built, Govt offices and buildings were renovated, hardly any CM other than him even bothered to paint Govt buildings. All this gave rise to new look of Panaji Bus-stand, DK even forgot to do patchwork of roads inside Bus-stand during 2007 IFFI, might be because he never uses them. But tell me onething if all these classes were disturbed then why didn't they come on roads, or was it because of hot sun due to cutting down of trees(as you say) Why were no morchas or strikes took place then Can you tell me atleast one new structure built by Govt for IFFI after 2004?? Still crores of Rupees were wasted..why and where?? Prize winners of IFFI contests are still awaiting their prizes..did DK looked into this matter through his aam admi specs?? Regards Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Where are all the Parrikar baiters, haters gone?
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anil Desai wrote: It is now three days since Manohar Parriker threw down the gauntlet. He asked our Digambar Chief Minister to substantiate the allegation that, he, Parriker had held a meeting with SEZ promoters in Mumbai and plotted the downfall of the Congress government. Comment: Wouldn't it be better if Anil or other BJP supporters obtained an affidavit from MP stating that he will resign and retire from public life if the allegation is proved? MP has a record of not keeping his word. Remember his statement before the elections that he would not bid for office unless his party secured a majority on its own. No later than a few months after the Congress took office, there he was at his pet game of toppling an elected government with scant respect for the verdict of the electorate. Marshall Mendonza RESPONSE: I think you are not aware of the numbers of 2007 Goa assembly elections. No party was voted to form government nor congress was voted to form govt. Congress-NCP alliance which was formed before elections got altogether 19 seats( 16-Congress, 3-NCP) which is not majority at all. Also it is the duty of opposition party whoever it may be to raise voices against non-performing government. looking at the past 7 months of DK govt, i think it is at its worst and no one needs to prove it. It seems DK his company seems more interested in admiring semi-nude beauty in Carnival than providing shelter, clothing to the much needed aam admi aam aurat. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Open letter to Rajan - re RKN and Bhandare
From: Mervyn Lobo [EMAIL PROTECTED] Bhandare/Bhandari wrote: Like yourself, I am a stickler for facts too..something that many goanetters cannot come to terms with.. Folks, On the premise that Bhandari checked and then re-checked his factual statement before he posted the above, I had to find out what stickler meant. Here is how Wikipedia describes it: The stickler syndrome is characterized by a distinctive facial appearance, eye abnormalities, hearing loss, and joint problems. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stickler_syndrome Mervyn3.0 ?Facts are many, but the truth is one.? - Rabindranath Tagore - RESPONSE: You are totally confused about meaning of stickler and relating it with stickler syndrome. What you referred to is stickler syndrome and not stickler. Stickler means Someone who insists on something: Example: a stickler for promptness Also I would like to bring to your notice that wikipedia has got meanings not for everything. I guess you searched stickler on wikipedia and could not find it but instead found stickler syndrome. I hope you wont confuse one word with another next time. Because Facts are many, but the truth is one. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh_was_ An Open Letter To
Reena Martins wrote: I don't know where Chari and his response comes from. But no, I'm no Wikipedia fan. Its just that, in Pune, where I spent my childhood, we had a Chari family (Tamilian) who lived next door to us. As simple as that. Reena RESPONSE: Just take these few thoughts or suggestions: Firstly wikipedia's content cannot be treated as final verdict, as anyone can edit and and write on it. I do not know who has written there about chari community, might be someone ilk minded of your's. God knows. Secondly, I have mentioned in my response to you earlier that chari community is spread thoughout the nation and there are chari's in tamil too, we have no relation with them, only thing is we'all worship the same god lord Vishwakarma. Lastly your surname is also quite familiar in Portugal so can i call you a Portuguese???hahahajust giving a taste of your own medicine.. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Thoughts to Kamalaksh
From: Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Reena was absolutely right in mentioning that Charis are from Tamil Nadu. Here, Charis are brahmins. The Viswakarmas, on the other hand, are called Acharis in Tamil Nadu and Kerala. Cheers, RKN RESPONSE: Whatever efforts you and Reena put together won't deny my Identity as a true Goan. Getting names on RationCard, EPIC, Driving licences in Goa doesn't prove to be a Niz-Goenkaar. Also that won't help you in becoming a Niz-goenkar either. Chari's are spread all over Goa, you can ask any Goenkar regarding Chari, they won't deny our origin as Goenkar. We are Goans for generation serving the Goans doing carpentary, blacksmithy, artwork and have made good names in all those fields. May be Reena has lost the topic(battle) completely regarding surnames. By the way i happen to search wikipedia and found these about Martins, There were no single word relating them to Goa.How about this. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martins Below is about Nairs http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nair Nowadays all ghatis are proving niz-goenkars as outsiders and calling themselves as Goenkars. May be because they are marching towards being a majority, with the blessings of Digu kaka. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary Primary School Education Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Reena Martins [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Kamalaksh Chari wrote: Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. And here I always thought Chari was a Tamilian! Reena RESPONSE: The problem with you people(RKN, Reena likeminded co.) is that you click on send button before veryfying the facts about your posts when you know tou made a big mistake you people HONESTLY admit it, then you are applauded for admitting that you made an mistake and you become Heroes or Heroines on goanet. Secondly it is also because lack of knowledge about Goan culture, history, etc due to which you tend to make statements predictions which are totally false. This inturn raises questions, queries, doubts in the minds of people on goanet, creating the endless lists of unnecessary posts. Regarding Chari community, well it is spread all over India not only restricted to particular region or state. In Mharashtra, Gujarat, we use Sutar or Panchal as our surnames. In other parts Vishwakarma is used as surname, and other surnames in rest of India. In Madras(or TN or Chennai or south India) we are known by Chari surname. So that might have created a doubt in your mind that Chari's are Tamilian. Any ways from next time onwards please verify your statements in your posts before clicking on send button. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Sorry, Dr Virgincar! and being human /to Chari
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary Primary School Education Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Selma Wrote: Something you might want to learn, Chari, is that itis possible to like people across cultures, religions,states, nationalities and ideologies. It is possibleto respect the person even if one does not agree withtheir views. Just ask yourself one question Chari,what is it that makes us fundamentally human? selma RESPONSE: First ask yourself one BIG question what does it mean to simply make mockery of one's surname without going deep into the matter? Is it CORRECT to assault one's surname(vigincar) by relating it to virginity of a women? I didn't expect such response or support to a person who used vulgar language relating to the surname of Virgincar atleast from a lady. It is NOT possible for me to agree with views which doesnt have base of truth are simply made without any deep knowledge of that subject I don't respect a person who has no respect to other people their surname's. Hope you have got my point. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] An Open Letter To Rajan
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary Primary School Education Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Radhakrishnan Nair [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Dr Anand Virgincar :-) Never came across a Virgincar in Goa. Must be another fake id. Let me hazard a guess. What does that surname means? Someone who loses his virginity only in the back seat of a car? I've come across many Chodankars though. Khushwant Singh once wrote in his Malice column after a holiday in Goa that one could not live anywhere to the north of the Vindhyas with the name Chodankar :-) Cheers, RKN RESPONSE: Well I must say one must be a Goan to identify Goan surnames. I have heard virgincar surnames many of the times and its not any fake surname. Only I can say is Think twice before you pen down your opinion about anyone. And regarding taking out meaning of virgincar in english is foolish act, as it is a Goan surname it has hardly got anything to do with English. Hope you know that? its a very cheap level of criticizing anyone on their surnames. If I step into your shoes I would say better change your name to RadhaKrishna Liar. Anyways congrats for joining the group of posters on goanet who try to label fake for the posters who doesn't match with their opinions or views. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Sorry, Dr Virgincar!
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Symposium on Pre-Primary Primary School Education Primary School Students Chess Tournament More information at: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-January/068222.html --- Carvalho [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: RKN made an honest mistake. I see the entire BJP coterie is out in full force to pillory him. As far as I'm concerned the Nair, Sen Guptas and Gagdils on this list make far more sense than all the Kars put together. Excluding Helekar ofcourse :-) The Kars of Goa should learn something from the fairly more broad-minded and liberal thinking South Indians. selma RESPONSE: Good joke Ms/Mrs Selma, an honest mistake Atleast you said he made a mistake. Mistakes are not honest or dishonest, they are mistakes whoever do it Goan or South Indian. It seems you got a lot of love to such BROAD MINDED ones who TRY to make MISTAKES and then honestly admit them. Good going. Onething you said correctly Kars(Goenkars) of Goa should learn something. But I would add to it saying Kars of Goa should learn everything from these fairly more broad-minded and liberal thinking South Indians including poderponn. As most of these people have deeply grounded their roots in all traditional businesses of Kars(Goenkars). Thanks for not supporting fellow Goan and praising mistakes done by Non-Goans. Keep it up. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] foul missionary literature
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Frederick [FN] Noronha wrote: (Incidentally, NDTV reports that the clashes were between Dalits and Adivasis, with the saffronites entering the fray and fishing in troubled waters. There is also the issue of benefits claimed by the Dalits, post-conversion.) RESPONSE: Regarding NDTV, it is funded by Gospels of Charity in Spain which supports Communism. Recently it has developed a soft corner towards Pakistan because Pakistan President has allowed only this channel to be aired in Pakistan. Its Indian CEO Prannoy Roy is co-brother of Prakash Karat, General Secretary of Communist party of India. What else can you expect from a media which is highly biased. http://fundoo.rediffiland.com/blogs/2007/12/12/Ownership-of-Indian.html http://rajee.sulekha.com/blog/post/2007/12/who-controls-indian-media.htm Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] torture of christians in Orissa
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Marshall Mendonza: wrote Please note the most literate states in India are those where the christian missionaries have been most active eg: Kerala, Goa, North -East,Tamiil Nadu, Karnataka This is the kind of contribution that the christians have made to the nation. Please do not underestimate the role and contribution of christianity to the nation. Regards, Marshall Mendonza RESPONSE: Marshall thanks for putting your views about Christian Missionaries in India. If any country which needs most of it is I think our neighbour Pakistan where missionaries have not spread their roots like they did in India. Pakistan badly needs service, preechings of Missionaries looking at present scenario there it will be nice if MISSIONaries succeed in their MISSION there. They should start there mission looking for tribal areas in Pak. Definitely they will find another Orissa or North-East over there. Also some missionary schools dont allow Hindu girls to put on Bindi(one that is placed on forehead). Your own words go wrong here about freedom of religion. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Why I'm keeping my Poder's bicyclette
Carvalho wrote: Anti-people and anti-environment projects? RESPONSE: Else people would not have been seen on roads to protest. Grabbing miles of land and deforesting it to build concrete jungle or any structure, is that environment friendly? How do they know? RESPONSE: Why only they? Everyone knows it. If you are unaware, Please google search or read any Goan daily. Have they vetted them financially and economically? Have they done a feasibility study to determine the cost of such projects to the environment? RESPONSE: This question should have been asked for Digu Baab first who has got the habbit of studying for the Exams after they are over. Has someone done an opportunity-cost analysis? Has someone at the GMAS sat down with a vast cross section of Goa's population and asked for their opinion? RESPONSE: No need to go for any opinion poll. Please walk out of your four walls and ask them whether they are with SEZ or anti-SEZ movement. You will get appropriate answer. Has someone held town hall meetings to try to understand and pose appropriate questions about these projects? Indeed they don't even know what exactly these projects are going to be and already we have the hint of that stick being wielded. Why don't we just build a big wall around Goa. See how well that worked out for China. RESPONSE: Govt has no time to build a parallel bridge across river Zuari which may hardly extend 500mts, and you are talking of BIG wall? yes they might have to build one outside their own Bungalows now, starting with Margao Loutolim. I have always maintained that Goa needs an economic think-tank, an independent agency that properly vets projects and then most importantly a good Public Relations Agency who will explain the project and its benefits to the people. RESPONSE: Two Agencies? may be, but at whose expense? Now excuse me, while I go and blow on my poder's piluk. I need the practice. RESPONSE: Its too late now, by the time you learn to blow poder's piluk, Digu's aam admi from monte hill gandhi market will be masters of poderponn would probably get Special cycles under some govt scheme along with electronic piluk. DEV BOREM KORUM Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Valmiki's SEZ Ramayana
Rajan P. Parrikar wrote: Valmiki Faleiro wrote: You are damned if you do, you are damned if you don?t. That sums up the unenviable situation for Goa?s Chief Minister, Digambar Kamat. Digu did. . . Digambar Kamat truly deserves applause ? and continued public support. Why only applause? Let us mark a new festival to celebrate the triumphant return from Dilli of the victorious King Digu after vanquishing SEZasura with his own bare hands. Goans, light a lamp in your home and do a little pooja of the valorous King Digu, he who put his life at great risk so that you and your children could have a better future in Goa. Warm regards, r RESPONSE: The moral of the story is Aam Admi's plea will be heard only when he will come on raods to protest against Govt steps which are against aam admi. Digu's words remind me of sacrificial goat, which is worshipped, garlanded before taking for sacrifice. The same story is of Goans these days. We are promised of many things, development, vows, employment but the outcomes are SEZ, RP2011, price hikes, land grab scams, law and order( now out of order), erratic supply of water electricity, and many more. One may get impressed by Digu's words speeches but what Goans want is peace, Employment, law order, Freedom from anxiety or fear, cheap lands which Goans can afford in Goa etc...which will only be seen in dreams by Digu's Aam Admi. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Benazir Bhutto Assassinated and so will others be
selma wrote They were meant to evoke a reaction. However, if youare serious about communal harmony then you'll startby restoring it on Goanet. A lot of communalbitterness has seeped onto Goanet with the arrival ofcertain posters. All we hear is how terrible Muslimsare, how our saints are fanatics, ad nauseam. RESPONSE: Selma Bai, tell me one thing, will you fireup your house if anything goes wrong in your house just to see how your family members react to it?? Please never again use such tectics, you will get nothing, but ASH. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Minguel and SEZ
From: nelson ferrao [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: dear goanet readers Looks like Minguel is working beyond his capacity to make sure that the fight against Sez doesnt take a violent turn. Poor fellow, he has been having sleepless nights specially to make sure that all our tourists are not harmed during festive season. He has been also busy counteracting every statement by GMAS, MATHANY and PARRIKAR. He has the answers and PAPER solutions to every problem facing GOA. He thinks that GBA only can solve the SEZ problem( i dont know why they woke up from their slumber only after Mathany started the movement and did not take the initiative on their own as in december 2006.) and looks like the sole custodian and chief spokesperson of GBA. If Gandhi was alive today, I am sure he would have advocated the use of force first as we are not deal with rational, civil and honest beings called THE POLITICIANS but with ANIMALS WHO ONLY UNDERSTAND THE MEANING OF WHIP! It reminds me of HUMAN RIGHT ACTIVISTS, WHO HAVE MORE CONCERNS FOR THE CRIMINAL THAN THE VICTIM!! Minguel and his likes can wait and talk peace till Goa is completley sold and there is turmoil all over and we have 15lac. outsiders settled in goa. By that time he will not have Goan Politicians to Talk to, he will have to go to UP, BIHAR or KARNATAKA and have added burden of learning all those languages. By the way, the tourists wont need Mathanys warning to stay away from Goa. Many of them have been commenting on the inability of govt. :.who is raking in crores from tourism, to deal with problem of GARBAGE, STRAY ANIMALS, BADLY MAINTENED ROADS, FAILURE OF ELECTRICITY AND WATER, INCREASED CRIME RATE, HARRASMENT BY COPS FOR BRIBES and ugly hutments with people openly defecating and urinating in public places. I suggest all the advocates of Mahatma come out with practical solutions to these problems.Aam admi had enoughof empty talks, meetings and promises from all sides. mog asu di Nelson RESPONSE: Rightly said Nelson. I fully agree with you. Looking the rate at which the population increase in Goa every year, ofcourse of Non-Goans, there will be hardly anytime when Goans(Niz Goenkars) will turn into minorities and there will be no ears who can hear our plea to save Goa as most of the politicians or authority will be under the control of Non-Goans. I don't know why Minguel and his likes are against the step taken up by Mathany to Save Goa from turning into a SEZ Goa. I hope he knows the outcomes of SEZ's as most of the Newspapers have atleast one article focussing the outcomes of it daily. Instead all Goans should support his stand without any cobwebs in their mind regarding tourism, tourists, because If Goa needs to be remained as tourist destination SEZ idea should be dropped from Goa else Goa will loose its uniqueness as tourist destination. Mathany is a leader who has been working hard for Goa in many issues throughout his life and was the most honest politician in the past assembly. If Goans cannot stand with such person who has always been sweating for Goa than why cry for Goa?? Mog Asundi Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] No freedom of religion for Muslims in Goa?
TRI Continental Film Festival - Dona Paula, Goa, Sep 28 - Oct 2, 2007 http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricontinental/tricon.htm For public viewing. Registration at The International Centre Goa. (Ph: +91-832-2452805 to 10) Online Media Partner: http://www.GOANET.org From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote; India is an overwhelmingly Hindu-majority country, and the religious rights of Hindus are rarely threatened. But the religious minorities face such problems on a regular basis, and secular persons naturally stand up for their rights. If that makes them 'psuedo-secular' in your view, it is your perspective that is at fault. RESPONSE: Looks like you have forgotten the history of India. Right from the time mughals ruled India to British rule..the most threatened were Hindus..Both rulers tried to demolish Temples and places of worship of Hindus. This is just a reply to your above made comments Mr. Gadgil. Just a reminder iff you have deleted your History from your memory. Forget about whole India...take Goa's example...How many temples have been destroyed and changeover to Churches.. What are your comments about this It is majority community which has been facing problems on regular basis. Hindus in India are getting raw deal. Look at Kashmir. What you say about kashmiri pandits? are they Muslims or Christians?? they are almost on the verge of extinction in Kashmir. All involved in the killings of Kashmiri Pandits are scott free. Isn't it??Mr. Gadgil. What about recent incident which took place in Bambolim where ganesh idol and shivaling has been damaged badly.? Did it damaged minority's religious idols? The persons involved in that case haven't been caught yet? Had that incident occured in church or madrasa, I bet all minorites including yourself would have not kept quiet and readily would have blamed RSS or BJP or other saffron(Hindu) organizations. India ofcourse is an overwhelmingly Hindu-majority country, and majority itself has been threatened to a great extent till date. Regarding your so called secular persons standing up for their rights, its not for their rights but for getting minority votebank. Can you tell me why only most of the temples in Maharashtra are been captured and taken charge by present maharashtra govt?? why not Churches or Masjid's Is this what you call Secularism? It is only to get funds and fill up the Govt. their MLA's personal Treasury. I think you better check your perspective before making such comments about Hindus being not threatened. Your statements sounds like Congress MLA's who think themselves as lone secular creatures present on this Earth. Look at the data on communal violence in India. The overwhelming majority of those killed in such violence have been Muslims. Then again, look at what happens after such violence. Those who have been involved in killing Hindus are generally brought to book, whereas those involved in killing members of minority communities go off scot-free. RESPONSE: Can you give me an example where in how many Muslims have been killed and compare it with killings of Hindus from ages in such violence.?? looking forward to your numbers. Give me couple of examples where in Hindu killers have been brought to book and minority killers have not. And why do you treat Indian population on majority and minority basis??? Aren't all Indian equal in your perspective? Or do you treat Hindu as different Indian and minority from India as another Indian??? People like you should stop dividing Indians on minority and majority basis as done in past by British. Atleast they had reason to do so, but why people like you divide Indians on Religious basis? I don't know It is in this assymetrical and unjust situation, where minority rights are trampled upon and justice denied, that secularists stand up for the rights of minorities. RESPONSE: Your secularists actually stand up for minorities votes not for their rights, else situation would have been bettered with the present govt in centre and in state which outcries too much about minority segment but do nothing for them. Finally to wind up, being an anti-Hindu does not mean secularist, nor defending Hindus means communal...Mr.Gadgil. Regarding Muslims in Goa, I do not see they are given any unfair treatment. They do enjoy all facilities as others community. I too have many Muslims as my Best friends and they did not complain about any unfair treatment. look at vegetable seller or Cloth shop, majority are Muslims they're doing good business. I wonder why there is a question raised regarding Freedom of Muslims in Goa. Regards, Kamalaksh
Re: [Goanet] Konkani-cho Mog Asundi
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Follow the online presence of the Museum of Christian Art, Old Goa Contacts: Tel: +91 832 2285299 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://christianartmuseum.goa-india.org/ --- Kamalaksh says: Marathi is most written, read and used language in Goa compared to Konkani. Pravin says: Really? Marathi does have its following as does English, but to claim that it is used more than Konkani is far from ground reality... RESPONSE: You misunderstood me Pravin, Marathi is used more interms of letter writings, literature, press as compared to Konkani, but Why did you introduced English in this topic? I just replied to Dr. Carmo's hatred towards Marathi. And as far as English is concerned, its uncomparable to any regional language, also it is International language. P says: If you are talking of circulated newspapers, English leads the pack in terms of number of newspapers. If you are counting real Goa based Marathi newspapers, the number is less than 10. RESPONSE: Again you are bringing English in between, the topic has nothing to do with English. But with marathi konkani. I was referring to all Marathi dailies which are available in Goa. It may be originated from neighbouring states. K says: Marathi has brought laurels to Goa by producing great singers, artists, writers and is also deeply rooted in Goa's culture as well. P says: Goans have flourished in and with Marathi. But to deny Konkani its rightful place is being as bigoted as the Dr. who wants to banish Marathi lovers... RESPONSE: I never denied Konkani, konkani ofcourse is the most spoken language by far. I only responded to Dr. Carmo's double standards for languages. I too have good respect for konkani, but to deny Marathi is not in good taste. The reasons for Konkani's slow growth in terms of readership are: 1. The Brahminical standardisation of Konkani 2. The denial of writing in the Romi-script 3. The educated Goan's tendency to be ashamed of even acknowleding one's own mothertongue. RESPONSE: I think the point no 3 is most responsible for konkani's slow growth. Educated Goan's do use English just to show off they are highly educated and knows Hi-Fi English sideline konkani. Also konkani is written in two scripts i.e. devnagri romi, that might also be another reason for its slow growth. To deny Konkani is to deny our umblical cord. RESPONSE: I never denied Konkani. Konkani is my mothertongue. But is it justified to say there is no place for marathi lovers in Goa? Then how come Dr. Carmo staying in Florida? He should be right here in Goa to show his love towards Konkani. He would have tasted his own medicine if Florida people have said the same words to him konkani lovers have no place in Florida, they should relocate themselves to Goa.hahaha To justify Marathi, there is no need to crucify Konkani 'maushi-cher mog kelear zata, punn avoi-k pois kori naka... RESPONSE: I think you are referring to Dr. Carmo and like minded people. I request you Pravin not to misunderstand me. Even I don't like people having double standards in any regard like Dr. Carmo. Regards, Kamalaksh Goa.
Re: [Goanet] Goa is for Konkani Lovers Only !
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Follow the online presence of the Museum of Christian Art, Old Goa Contacts: Tel: +91 832 2285299 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://christianartmuseum.goa-india.org/ --- From: CARMO DCRUZ [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote Way To Go ! We should not have any Marathi Lovers in Goa ! The Marathi lovers in Goa should all be sidelined. Goa should be for Konkani lovers only ! Marathi lovers should relocate to Maharashtra ! * Shiv Sena protests Goa government's state rewards announced recently, saying the list contained an overwhelming number of Konkaniwadis (die-hard Devnagari Konkani protagonists) while sidelining Marathi lovers. (GT) Dr. Carmo D'Cruz ex Velim, Goa now Indian Harbour Beach, Florida From: Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote This is Hitlerr's stand. Marathi is a fully developed language by itself. And Marathi is used by most people in Goa, may it be the news papers, may it be religious rites etc. Why should it be excluded from the State Awards?? State Awards are not restricted to any language. You mean to say Remo always sings in Konkani? Therefore, Dr. Carmo, you are blatantly wrong. Art and culture is the mainstay. Not the Language in which it is expressed. Just because Konkani is Goa's State Language, it cannot be considered supreme. Just my thoughts floriano/goasuraj RESPONSE: Yes floriano, Dr. Carmo is totally wrong regarding his language perspective. Marathi is most written, read and used language in Goa compared to Konkani. Dr. Carmo, If you don't know about ground reality, then let me tell you, there are more then 10 marathi newspapers circulated all over Goa compared to Konkani newspaper, which is lone i.e. sunaparant and that too has only 4 pages. This is really sad story, that those who shout about Konkani has hardly got one newspaper to read written in Devnagari script. Marathi has brought laurels to Goa by producing great singers, artists, writers and is also deeply rooted in Goa's culture as well. What you mean by your statements We should not have any Marathi Lovers in Goa ! The Marathi lovers in Goa should all be sidelined. Goa should be for Konkani lovers only ! Marathi lovers should relocate to Maharashtra ! Does that apply to Portuguese lovers in Goa too?? Those who love Portuguese should relocate to Portugal, Dr.Carmo Is that what you want to say? Dr. Carmo, please think twice(or may be thrice) before you write anything. Remember one thing both Konkani marathi are taught in Devnagari script in schools. It is upto people of Goa to choose from the two. You need not have to shout who should opt what. And regarding State Awards, there is biasing in that regard as marathi was sidelined. Finally what about your IITian batchmate Parrikar, he also learnt marathi and loves marathi, should he move to Maharashtra? And announce you as his heir for CM's post.as you too are IITian?? But for that to happen you have to come back to Goa, you cannot remotely control Goa from florida.. also contest win elections(votes polled by konkani as well as marathi lovers). Regards, Kamalaksh Goa -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070823/3186a423/attachment.htm
[Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa (JOE)
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. Joe Dias.(NRI) wrote: Hi,1. So when you last went to India you traveled between 1.00 and 1.30 pm.I did the same in Saligao and I found young sudents drinkingfeni in the bus, one old lady was giving them dirty looks, they askedher auntie tuca jai illi feni? so what do they teach in Goa schools?to drink feni!2. Out of respect to the old nuns you give them your seat. - Good on you.Are you saying that, if an old dalit woman was standing, you would notgive her a seat out of respect for old age?Do you have double standards? or just picking on catholics indirectly - again. RESPONSE: Plz, plzplz...plz..Don't put your words in my mouth dear. Last time Frederick did the same trick saying i am insulting priests, Now you say I have double standards. By the way you both are good at playing your tricks. Well i just pen down some facts regarding Frederick's response. Also there are no words like dalit, brahmin, upper caste, or lower caste in my dictionary. Are you living with the same thoughts in this 21st century Mr. Joe. Come on wake up, grow up man. Wipe off all these differences, it wont take you anywhere. I remember my Sir giving a lecture to us on this particular topic, on how to behave in the buses. He said always have respect towards pregnant women, elderly persons, physically handicapped person while travelling in the bus. Treat them as your mother, grandmother, brother and give them a seat. And i follow his words till date. But he never uttered anything like dalit or brahmin. Please for God's sake mind your tongue. If you're not aware about what is going on in Goa, then better shut your mouth rather then listening to hearsays. First check out your double standards, then point your finger to others. Kamalaksh Goa...Resident Indian(RI) -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070817/12aef24b/attachment.html --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Follow the online presence of the Museum of Christian Art, Old Goa Contacts: Tel: +91 832 2285299 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://christianartmuseum.goa-india.org/ ---
[Goanet] Biggest Goanet LIAR...MR. GABE MENEZES
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. From: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa (George Pinto) On 13/08/07, Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Kamalaksh Chari, It is of course scientifically possible that Mr. Bhandare has been cloned and that you are it, but I will not go there. Let me just say that the two of you sound much alike. RESPONSE: This something that Selma and several others had figured out. Just to make assurances doubly sure, I ran a software, which informed me that Bhandari and Chari are one and the same and most probably female. Bhandare as we know, is working in I.T., in chicken country. Probably Bhandari is his (Bhandare's) wife...but most certainly a female, who also uses the name Kalmash Chari. I am sure Bhandare is embarrassed that Bhandari is spewing, such bleating imploring posts. I would like to think, that there are many, more than savvy people on Goanet, who rightly saw right through the machinations of the RSS bigots and their modus operandi. Trying to win hearts and minds, as well as sympathy for the utterly despicable RSS. The RSS have an ideology..this ideology is a Hindustan Country, for Hindus. All other Religions have to conform or get annihilated or get out! -- DEV BOREM KORUM. Gabe Menezes. London, England --- Hi All Goanetters, The following post shows Mr. Gabe is the biggest liar on Goanet. Mr. Gabe Menezes said i(Kamalaksh Chari) and Bhandare are one and the same person. Also he added to it that he ran a software, which informed him that Bhandari and Chari are one and the same and most probably female. So I would like to ask him which is that software that he ran to find out me and Bhandare are the same..? Also how he came to know that me and Bhandare are couple? Are you throwing stones in the dark...fator laglyar laglo So in this regard I want to challenge Mr. Gabe Menezes to prove that i and Bhandare are same with legal evidences on this forum. Also pass the proofs of Software which proved it...sorry he won't be able to do so..because whatever he posted is totally false. Me and Bhandare are on different parts of the world. I am still residing in Goa and not serving any britishers or foreigners like Mr. Gabe do. It just shows the level which Mr. Gabe can cross, just for the hatred he had in his mind for me and Bhandare, by spreading rumours. Now, Will Mr. Gabe voluntarily get out of the cobwebs of his 3rd class mentality and prove what he said. Else..APOLOGIZE for his postings, which are creating unnecessary tensions and questions among all Goanetters. You are questioning my self-esteem. Mr Gabe I am not a fool or illiterate to believe what you bark on this forum. You can't even write my name properly. How can you find out whether two persons on the globe are same? Only one way is knowing their IP(Internet Protocol) addresses, and that too you can only know if we(me and Bhandare) have personally emailed you or shared some links with you or else had a chat with you via net. Now this is your duty to post the relevant proofsELSE Apologize You have to prove the following if not apologizing: 1. Prove me and Bhandare are same. 2. Me and Bhandare are Husband and Wife. 3. Prove i am female. 4. Which software you used so that all goanetters know it. Since you said that your assurances are doubly sure, you should be able to post it on Goanet Forum so that goanetters know what is the truth. I guess you are hired by Britishers or working for them to spread delusive remarks and rumours against those who contradict your statements. I am awaiting your proofs evidencesif u can't reproduce then Apology...on this forum. Kamalaksh Chari Amche Goi...a.k.a. Goa --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Follow the online presence of the Museum of Christian Art, Old Goa Contacts: Tel: +91 832 2285299 Email:[EMAIL PROTECTED] http://christianartmuseum.goa-india.org/ ---
Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa(George Pinto)
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org From: Frederick [FN] Noronha * ??? [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa(George Pinto) On 13/08/07, KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Scientifically speaking it is also possible to stuff 80 priests in a truck, its not impossible. Even local minibuses take 70-80 passengers in Goa at ease, and its Orissa. If minibuses can take so many passengers in Goa, which is amongst the most educated state in India, why can't it take place in Orissa, and its a truck( referring to the news). Looks like Kamalaksh has taken to insulting priests, by suggesting that they cannot afford a more humane form of transport! Or, maybe I'm wrong and he's actually complimenting their selfless approach towards service! One never knows --FN RESPONSE: Mr. Frederick, I didn't made any statement in my any of the post which insulted any priest. I am not here to affront any christian priest, i too hold the same respect as you for catholic priests. But you can take whatever meaning you want to from my posts, its upto you, you can even go to the extent saying the truck was driven by me and i purposely drove it into the forest. Even if i do not possess heavy motor driving license. I haven't said or suggested that they cannot afford more humane form of transport, but its you who said so. Don't put your words in my mouth. Read my post carefully before making such irrelevant statements. Secondly, to tell you, while travelling from Margao-Panaji via KTC, students of Fr. Agnel Ashram Pilar, catch these buses and their behaviour seems to be irritating, bothering, annoying to the passengers in the bus. Even they don't hesitate to make mockery of senior citizens present in the bus. And when questioned about their behaviour, they inturn fire bad words at you. I wonder what is actually taught there, education or they are mastering the students in other sense. Ofcourse if you have any doubt please travel in KTC bus which passby pilar at around 1.00pm to 1.30pm. Not only that, even sometimes aged sister, nuns which travel by those crowded buses, no one bothers to give them a seat. In such circumstances i am the first to vacate my seat to offer them. So please don't question my respect towards any priest of any religion. Kamalaksh Goa-India. --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Enjoy Goa cartoonist, Alexyz Fernandes, daily take on contemporary issues www.alexyztoons.com ---
Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa(Floriano)
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org From: Floriano [EMAIL PROTECTED] IN RESPONSE TO KAMALAKSH CHARI'S POST. QUOTE And i expect the same kinda views from your much hyped secular company UNQUOTE Dear Mr.Kamlaksh Chari, With reference to your above one liner, do you want us to believe that you are defending ' a much hyped COMMUNAL' company? Jai Hind floriano/goasuraj RESPONSE: Mr. Floriano, I am not defending anyone, nor i agree with your comment of RSS being communal. If they were, then wouldn't have promptly reached the places of natural disaster, calamities or any other incidents taking places in India, without anyone asking for their help. It just shows the volunteer present in them. Its upto you to name anyone as communal or secular. When they rescue anyone from such calamities, they are least bothered about their caste, religion, nationality...etc..etc... So i cant find any communalism in them looking at their readiness to help out victims. Also i don't want you or anyone to defend RSS, but their voluntary work should not be made a subject of laughter. Secondly, is it the Thumb rule that each and every incident taking place, should get the focus of media or become a part of Headline? Are all incidents published in the newspapers, or are covered on news channels? If some incidents fail get the proper attention of media, do you disagree to what has happened? Is it so? --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Enjoy Goa cartoonist, Alexyz Fernandes, daily take on contemporary issues www.alexyztoons.com ---
Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa(George Pinto)
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org From: Victor Rangel-Ribeiro [EMAIL PROTECTED] Dear Kamalaksh Chari, It is of course scientifically possible that Mr. Bhandare has been cloned and that you are it, but I will not go there. Let me just say that the two of you sound much alike. I tried to get 90 Christian priests to climb into a single truck, but though I could find a large truck I had trouble rounding up 90 Christian priests who would all be willing to be together at one time. Even telling them it was a wedding/marriage party did not help. However, let us suppose that 90 Christian priests did climb into a truck together to attend a marriage party, and then felt it was safe to go through RSS territory. Surprise! The truck had an accident and 10 of the priests died. Now it is the law in India---has been for some decades---that all deaths should be registered with the proper authorities. Could you or Mr. Bhandare or the RSS or the New Ind Press or whatever please publish the names of those who died, as I would like to inform the next of kin? Your cooperation in this humanitarian enterprise will be greatly appreciated. No doubt the death certificates will also describe the cause of death and the exact location of the accident. With very best regards, Victor (Rangel-Ribeiro) RESPONSE: Scientifically speaking it is also possible to stuff 80 priests in a truck, its not impossible. Even local minibuses take 70-80 passengers in Goa at ease, and its Orissa. If minibuses can take so many passengers in Goa, which is amongst the most educated state in India, why can't it take place in Orissa, and its a truck( referring to the news). Now as you have named me as Bhandare's clone, what should i name you? Well that's not the topic of discussion, but i have been never taught namecalling subject in my school. I didn't know about your school. But namecalling or referring as clone of another should be avoided, and responses if any should be pertaining to the topic of discussion. But you too sound like Gabe Menezes interms of labelling others, So are you Gabe's clone or Gabe yours? He too labelled me Bhandari II. Can you please put some light on this matter? ofcourse in co-operation with Gabe(British Servant)..sorry..i just now inherited this labelling art from you, so am i your clone now? About Bhandare, he has been always facing a raw deal for all his posts. Regarding the evidences, well i responded to what was posted on this forum. Even i would like to see the proofs and evidences. -- next part -- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/attachments/20070813/d877a573/attachment.html --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Enjoy Goa cartoonist, Alexyz Fernandes, daily take on contemporary issues www.alexyztoons.com ---
Re: [Goanet] RSS rescued 80 christian missionaries in orissa (George Pinto)
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org From: George Pinto [EMAIL PROTECTED] This story sounds like an urban legend and I doubt it is true. I have never heard or read of 90 priests in a marriage party. Maximum 5 or 6, but 90! There are rare instances when 80 or 90 priests get together, but for a marriage party! And in Orissa! And in a forest! And in one truck! Come on, tell a believe story, especially if propaganda George 'skeptical' Pinto --- Bhandare [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While we constantly read of incidents of violence against christian missionaries by hindutva activists and such incidents are circulated almost on a daily basis it is really surprising that the same media carefully hides incidents which show the RSS in good light All those people on this forum who consider them well informed should ask them selves if they knew of this particular incident and if not should honestly question the lack of transperency and the biased nature of indian english media and these phony secularists. Furthermore if possible theyy should also look at te RSS without their blinkers on http://www.newindpress.com/Newsitems.asp?ID=IEH20050710094712Title=Top+StoriesTopic=0 NEW DELHI: Activists from the RSS recently rescued 80 Christian priests who had met with an accident in the forests of Sambalpur in Orissa. A marriage party, comprising 90 Christian priests was returning by a truck to Goudpil from Jamankeri when it met with an accident. Ten of them died on the spot and 80 others were seriously injured, a report in the latest issue of the RSS mouthpiece, Organiser, said. An RSS activist heard their shouts and brought in as many as 50 Sangh volunteers to help them. They rescued the priests, admitted them to a nearby hospital and donated blood, the report said. The weekly quoted Bishop Samal as saying, ?These boys have given us a new life. We are grateful to them. May god bless them.'' RSS state secretary B B Nanda said they had helped the priests on humanitarian grounds, as all were children of God. RESPONSE: Well said George. Such response was always expected from you on this news. Anyways the story does sounds like an urban legend, and even if you have heard it you would have smartly said i never heard or read. Because you try to read what matches with your ideology else you deny those topics which doesn't match with your thinking, even if its true. About the newspapers and media, well no media(paper or electronic) would like to be stamped as Communal or Saffron by posting such topic or news. They would have made it headline or breaking news if it was converse, and even you and your company would have given it some publicity. But when such incidents happen, forget about thanking RSS chaps but you make it a topic of jocularity. Now where you lost your secular feelings, are they blown away by winds or floating in the floods, which struck in some parts of Goa a week back. Well, what i learnt from your response is your one sided views about RSS. And i expect the same kinda views from your much hyped secular company. But one thing you mentioned correctly, 'skeptical' between your name. --- http://www.GOANET.org --- Enjoy Goa cartoonist, Alexyz Fernandes, daily take on contemporary issues www.alexyztoons.com ---
Re: [Goanet] Latest News ----- Manohar Parrikar Lost and Digamber Kamat Win
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * GARCA BRANCA VACATION ACCOMMODATION LOUTULIM, SOUTH GOA. For RR; modern/clean amenities; serene, healthy and wholesome location Visit http://www.garcabranca.com for details/booking/confirmation. From: Vivian D'Souza [EMAIL PROTECTED] No winners and no losers except the people of Goa. Are we Goans so naive to elect the same old crooks over and over again. ? When will the cycle end ?. When will good upright individuals stand for election and be elected ? A sad and shameful state of affairs indeed. No dignity, no truth, no conscience. Everyone out to enrich themselves. The majority of voters are so poor that their votes can be bought either with money or with favors. This goes on from the grass-roots level, at the Panchayat level and goes up to the very top. RESPONSE: I totally agree with you Vivian. Reap what we sow. Blaming only politicians for their corruption, making remarks on them, pointing out fingers on them wont do anything good for Goa. It is the electorate(we) who should be blamed held responsible for this present scenario of political melodrama taking place in the state assembly. To cut down this tree of corruption fully, we should always focus our attention on root and not just slice the branches or limb. In elections what we sow is criminal, characterless, nondescript candidates as expected the outcome is corruption, instability, etc.. and the root cause which is overlooked is voter. And it is not only that poor voters votes are bought, but well educated, moneyed voters do fall prey to the false propaganda, promises of candidates. It is only then we will get good governance, free of corruption when voters maintain their dignity, truth conscience.
Re: [Goanet] Pesidents Rule - response for sachin/orlando
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-finance - Dedicated to Money-matters Interested in Money-Finance-Stocks-Banking-Shares-Debentures-Finance ?? Sign up for your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-finance-goanet.org Bhandare writes: isnt it a fact that christian priests actively take part in goan politics? arent directions given to the laity to vote for particular candidates? I've not heard any priest 'give directions' to vote for any particular candidate... Orlando RESPONSE: From which planet are you, Orlando? Mars or Jupiter? But if you're from planet Earth keeping an eye (forget about hearing) on what is happening and happened in Goa, then let me remind you about my constituency, where priest have given directions to vote particular candidate. Fr. Conceissao appealed to the people of Cortalim Constituency to come Out in support of Mauvin and get him elected. He was speaking after inaugurating the election office of the Congress Candidate Mr. Mauvin Godinho at Thana-Cortalim. (Gomantak Times). Large picture also published while Fr. Conceissao giving speech with a microphone in his hand. Same day, Fr. Conceissao also inaugurated Navelim election office for Luizinho Faleiro, blessed his candidature and spoke in length on the Work undertaken by Luizinho Faleiro saying `it is now our turn to elect him' (Navhind Times) Fr. Conceisao picture also published amongst others. In 2002 elections, church played major role in Mathany Saldhana's victory in Cortalim, who was the most honest MLA in last assembly, but controverted him in 2007 elections. Is this not another kind of politics? Jagrut goem blacklisted these politicians e.g. Mauvin Godinho, Babush, Narvekar, Madkaikar, Visvajit Rane etc I hope your doubt about priests giving directions to any particular candidate is clear by now.
Re: [Goanet] reply to Kamalaksh - RSS Fear mongering
GILBERT LAWRENCE wrote My only point to Kamlaksh is: You and Bhandare have shifted your argument. You previously posted that RSS will only respond physically in retaliation to violence and will not be the first to take action. Your new stand is: RSS and its cadres will take action to prevent problems, in the possibility these may occur in future. Can you tell me: Who appointed you as Goa's Top Cop or Security Chief? If you are lost for a reply, please say, The next BJP-RSS government.:=)) - KAMALAKSH CHARI Bhandare's writing aren't factual to the people who will encourage terrorist organisations to settle down in Goa and create communal riots spoiling Goa's integrity. Recent example is the eve teasing in Margao market by a gang of some muslim community members originally migrants outside Goa. Will you tolerrate Pakistanis or Bangaldeshis to infiltrate here and build mosques n madarsas. Why not, definitely, coz you said so? And if whatever goes wrong, like riots or tensions due to these madarsas there are always RSS or other saffron organizations to put blame on, see sanvordem-curchorem example. -- Hi Gilbert, Your replies happens to be unrelated to my post in any manner. You seem to be guessing and dead reckoning. I was expecting your response on my questions, but you queerly avoided them. I have no idea whether you studied for history and answered geography in your schools. Is it so? But please don't blame me for that. I think its you who lost a reply of my question. Now responding your last two lines, take for example if my house is burned by some terrorist(may be by your beloved Saudi or Hubli people) or by anyone else, my first responsibility is to put it off, isn't it Mr. Gilbert? Or should I wait for fire brigade to reach my house, may be even by that time my house is burnt down to ashes. I reckon you'll opt for latter. In this scenario I'll be Security Chief of my house and try my best to extinguish it, the outcome might be the same as latter one, but I'll put my efforts to stop it rather watching it burn. Look, no one appointed me top cop in that situation, it is the state of affairs that made be step into top cop shoes. May be if you were also present on the spot, had helped me in extinguishing, by giving me a gallon of water gifted to you by your Saudi friends without realizing its petrol, not water, then would have proudly said you helped me saving my house, but it was I who ignited it again.. The same thing applies when such incidents happen in my village, Goa or my Country India. My reaction will be the same.. if I could not make it to reach the affected area in time, tell you what, RSS halfpants or khaki chaddi or saffron people or communal people (that will help you understand better) will be seen helping victims( they won't even know whether they're rescuing Gopal, Gilbert, Gurwinder, or Rehmatullah). Instead of all this you won't fall short in saying RSS is culprit behind that fortuity. You can refer Floods in Orissa, Latur Earthquake, train incident which took in the past, RSS was the first to hear their cry and reach for their cause. You have own predictions regarding RSS, Saffron(i know you ilk minded use it cleverly instead of using Hindu in its place, because it will unwrap your hidden communalism) Organisations. But i doubt is it really you, or someone devised you to crafty manoeuvre to outwit RSS. Kamalaksh Chari
Re: [Goanet] Goanet Digest, Vol 2, Issue 592
--- KAMALAKSH CHARI [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: and he dint touched even a single cross, or ghumti, or chappel or any mosques which created nuisance to free flow of traffic. -- It is quite a curious fact that atleast two or maybe even three posters on this forum spell the contraction didn't as dint. Perhaps it is not so curious when one considers the possibility that cyber avatars can be easily created to produce the effect of multitude and hence lend reinforcement to a certain ideology. selma RESPONSE: Hi selma, Thanks for letting me know dint has got some other meaning. It was didn't that i wanted to use. Its the consequence of internet which gave birth to many short words. But there are other posts too which got plenty of such errors, but you seem to be more interested in pointing out errs in my post which shows you are biased. Perhaps i would have been more happy if you had also commented on my post matter rather than focusing on just grammatical mistakes. I learnt that you always try to dug out issues by means of response to post which has got nothing to do with the posted matter at all. oops sorry except grammatic mistake.
Re: [Goanet] reply to kamlaksh
From: Gilbert Lawrence [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Is what Bhadare writing below a fact? Or is it RSS fear-mongering with madarsas mushrooming in goa? What is wrong with residents building their palace of worship - be it Temples, Mosques or Churches? We condemn Goans of the Middel Ages for destroying temples (that the Portuguese did). Is this (action against Mosque-building) not an extension of the same harassment of a minority community? Frankly I would encourage the Muslim community to spend a few hundred million dinars of Saudi money (pocket change) in Goa to build a very beautiful mosque, which also serves as a great tourist attraction. Now everybody wins ... through cooperation. Kind Regards, GL -- Bhandare Dear Kamlaksh: You are right. In Ponda, margao fatorda cortalim vasco st cruz and margao the migrant muslims are the congress's solid votebank. Also there is massive infiltration of fundamentalist muslims like tablighi jamat and u will soon find mosques and madarsas mushrooming in goa. The important question is what are we doing to stop this? RESPONSE: Well Mr. Gilbert, Bhandare's writing aren't factual to the people who will encourage terrorist organisations to settle down in Goa and create communal riots spoiling Goa's integrity. Recent example is the eve teasing in Margao market by a gang of some muslim community members originally migrants outside Goa. There is nothing wrong with residents building their temples, but u said RESIDENTS( which means people staying in that particular area). Will you tolerrate Pakistanis or Bangaldeshis to infiltrate here and build mosques n madarsas. Why not, definitely, coz you said so? And if whatever goes wrong, like riots or tensions due to these madarsas there are always RSS or other saffron organizations to put blame on, see sanvordem-curchorem example. If you can recollect your History in middle ages, it was majority community whose holy places were destroyed Mr. Gilbert (may become right hand of Terrorist organisation in near future). Not only they destroyed majorities holy places but commuted them into their holy places. Have any mosque or church been destroyed and converted into temple in recent past? can you plz provide me with an example where such thing has taken place recently.? In what sense the minorities have been harassed? What happened when tulsi-vivah was carried out near Fulancho-Khuris at bambolim. Dint they try to stop that tulsi-vivah? What will you name this as? Isn't that fulancho khuris took its giant state without any interruption from RSS. Or was it destroyed Mr. Gilbert. Aren't chapels growing up like mushrooms from Cross to a big roofed housing. Are they destroyed by RSS? Shouldn't you introspect yourself before posting such illegal and senseless things. And let me recollect, Mr Parrikar has announced long back that holy places causing destruction to traffic will be demolished. But a lot water has flown below the bridge, and he dint touched even a single cross, or ghumti, or chappel or any mosques which created nuisance to free flow of traffic. they are all safe n sound till date. Coz if any holy statue would have been removed, communal riots n tensions would have been definitely brocaded. Why do you always cry for minorities? Aren't Kashmiri pandits slaughtered in JK without no reason. Should majority community come on roads that time and cry out coz minorities in JK are insecure? Why should we always discriminate among us as minorities and majorities? When will we treat ourself as Indians. But with the presence of Gilberts and ilk minded people its too far to see peaceful India. They'll always support Islami-terrorism and outcry in the name of RSS or saffron brigade. And lastly you said you'll encourage to build Mosque in Goa with saudi aid. Ofcourse its good idea. But how far will it remain tourist attraction before turning into Islamabad's Red Mosque, which was attacked recently, many students loosing their lives. Can you guaranttee that it would remain tourist spot forever without turning into Islamabad's Red Mosque.
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What was the point you were making Kamalaksh? I agree Gadgil might have misconstrued you, but what I understood from what you said was equally bizarre. Are you suggesting that Parrikar's being representative of Panjim somehow kept it more Goan than the other towns? If so, could you explain how exactly? Do you see migrants into Goa as a vermin, or some kind of a problem? If so, how are they different from the lakhs of Goans (literally) who migrate across the globe and to the rest of India? Please explain how is your view any different from those of the FN (National Front, not me!) or the Enoch Rivers of Blood Powells of the Sixties? Lastly, what is the approach of a national party like the BJP towards internal migration within India and beyond? While the saffronistas in cyberspace are quick to identify issues that could act as bees in the Christao bonnet (and maybe translate into votes) don;t we all remember the long queues formed outside government offices in Parrikar's Goa when the migrant poor were promised plots of their own in this State (not that it's a bad thing in itself, but from the blow-both-ways approach it seems like just mean to fool both the migrant voter and the local populace at the same time, with the promise of plots and the bogey of the outsider!) --FN RESPONSE: Hi Federick, Atlast you agreed that Mr. Gadgil miscontrued me. Well you'll always treat my postings as bizarre. Now answering to your response, you are putting your words in my mouth. I never said Non-Goans a vermin, you might think so. But let me tell you one thing if it continues the way Goans population is decreasing( i.e. non-goans flooding in Goa), Goa will be Mumbai in few years time thats for sure. So you want that to happen? Do you want Goans fighting for their Goenkarrponn in Goa as Mumbaikars do in Mumbai for their Mumbaikarponn due to increasing number of Non-Mumbaikars there? Are there Zopadpattis in Panjim area? Do you see Non-Goan labours crowd in Panjim which is observed in porvorim, vasco during early hours of the day? Is there Monte hill or Gandhimarket like area in Panjim which forms the votebank for secular(just for sake) parties? Goa is not that big to absorb all migrants. There should be some restriction on that count. Else Goa will loose its dignity as a tourist spot. Atleast Goa should not be treated as any other part of the world for that matter. Will you treat Jammu Kashmir same as Goa? Can you buy a piece of land in Kashmir easily n readily as in Goa? Haven't you heard Devegouda demanding for kannada language status for Goa? Do you speak kannada too? Its just a matter of time when we'll have Goans searching a piece of land for their future that all will be entrapped by Non-Goans. About goans migrating across the globe, its for their luxury they do so. I cant find any major reason behind their immigration except to improve their lifestyle exception might be those taking education there. Instead serving foreigners it would have been great if they would have stayed back in Goa and found out some ways to improvise on this wretched Goa's state. Finally Nor BJP neither any party can do anything on migration of citizens within India. Anyone in India can stay wherever he wants to. But do you want to see Goa stepping into Mumbai's shoes in terms of Non-Local population? And plz Dont ask me about BJP's view on matters, coz BJP hasn't got anything to do with me nor i am its spokesman. It was what i saw in some constituencies which got BJP seats and having minimal Non-Goan population. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Date: Thu, 12 Jul 2007 20:55:54 +0530 From: Vidyadhar Gadgil [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Lovely equation you have worked out here: 'Goan' = pro-BJP/Parrikar 'non-Goan' = anti-BJP/Parrikar. As they say, it's always these [EMAIL PROTECTED]% bhaille causing trouble in Goa, right? RESPONSE: Its your mindset Mr. Gadgil. I haven't said that Non-Goans are anti-BJP/Parrikar and Goans are pro-BJP/Parrikar. You are here only to misguide the postings in your own sarcastic way. If that is the case than most of the goanetters posting against BJP/Parrikar are Non-Goans? Is that what you want say? Good Joke Mr. Gadgil( sorry Mr. Non-Goan). And ofcourse by posting misleading responses you are causing trouble in Goa. right? PS: Non-Goans i mean migrants which are now settled down in Goa, but are not born-goans. Example.in Vasco, mostly army navy officials are surplus, which according to law are goans now. In Margao, the market is run by majority of Non-Goans, which is the votebank for congress. So please dont misguide the rest Goanetters by your speculative response. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] We Need Manohar Parrikar as CM of Goa !
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Stephen Fernandes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Dear Goans, well Parrikar is a good CM, but not in BJP? let him join SGF n bring all from Bjp n Form the Govt, otherwise we will be non goan when we are Goan. stevbel RESPONSE: Hi Stephen, You said Parrikar is a good CM, then what he has to do with party if at all he's a good CM. SGF is a regional party and has formed only due to internal fights conflicts between SGF chief and some congressman. while on other hand BJP is National party and has spread its roots in entire nation. SGF itself is a 2 (or may be 3 in future) member party in Goa assembly which has got no clear agenda and i doubt whether it will survive next 5 years as a party( coz chances of merging it with other party are very high). Anyways parties are just the tools for contesting elections, and for that matter elections can be contested independently and won, take the example of 2 independent MLA's who won in recent elections with a good margin. Now giving good governance depends on person, and Parrikar is the lone person who can do so atleast in Goa. Changing parties doesn't change the attitude and behaviour of the person, coz moserrate, madkaikar, dhavalikar, kamat have changed their parties and from those some have changes parties like clothes, every elections, but that hasn't changed them, they are still the same person with same attitude(some dont even have that). Even If Mr. Parrikar joins any other party, his way of working the govt. will remain same, he's capable leader and handles the situation much better then anyone else in 40 member house. But the question in such situation will be, whether the other MLA's in that other particular party will support Mr. Parrikar in his good givings to Goa or not. The party in which Mr. Parrikar is, is the most stable party among all parties in Goa with no internal conflicts like Congress. Taking that into account Parrikar can serve Goa well rather than joining other parties. And lastly it will also take some time for Mr.Parrikar to settle down if incase he joins other party, to get familiar with those circumstances and with the nature of their MLA's. Lastly, if you aware, just have a walk to Mr. Parrikar's constituency and see. You'll see more Goans in his constituency then other Urban cities in Goa..example. Vasco, Margao, Ponda which are highly populated with Non-Goans. And for that matter non-BJP constituencies are the one which are mostly crowded with Non-Goans. --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
Re: [Goanet] God is MY buddy/ response to Santosh
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org Alba Fernandes wrote: Bhandare, Instead of constantly picking faults on Christian/Catholic religion, the church and its saints, it is time you do an introspection of your own religion - your own Ramayana Mahabharata - where Rama, Lakshimana and the rest have all indulged in mass murder (using bows arrows) only to suit their survival. And still they are your Gods/saints. Its better you mind your own business and religion rather than divide a united Goa, where Hindus, Christians and Muslims co-exists. If you cannot do any good, don't do any bad either. Better still, stay out. I hope the message is loud and clear. Alba Alba, Your words reminds me of believers. They too speak the same thing about Hindu gods and goddesses treat their own religion as supreme to provide salvation. Its better you introspect yourself first on what you wrote then tell others to do so. Rama, Lakshimana and the rest never killed anyone only for their survival but to save others from evils and satans. If you are still in doubt plz watch Ramayana MahaBharata again and then let me know. I think you dropped history subject in your schooldays. Please learn to respect others religion too, then only you can see all Hindus, Christians and Muslims co-existing in Goa. Your response to bhandare too won't do anything good for the survival of secularism in Goa. You can't just stop anyone's voices on the net. This is Democratic Country everyone here has the right to speak, right to vote, etc. You can't dictate your terms on anyone here. And finally speaking about any religion, each has got its own faults. It will be great not to see the postings on criticism on any religion or organizations henceforth to keep this forum clean, however moderator should first take initiative in this regard should foresee that any post put in this forum wont land up in religious crisis. I myself won't be posting anything from today on any matter pertaining to any religious organization. Because what I learnt from past month is such religious postings or clarifying some doubts about any organization has made this forum to switch to religious debate. Such debates won't take us anywhere but will create hatred among each others on this forum. There are lots other things that should be looked upon like unemployment, erratic electricity, water problems, land prices in Goa, increase in non-goan population, etc. Its my appeal to all here to stop criticizing other religions and shift our direction on matters which will help make Goa good. Thanks all in advance Kamalaksh Chari.
Re: [Goanet] Bhandare's plight
WWW.GOANET.ORG *** A N N O U N C E M E N T Launching Goanet-sports - Dedicated to Sports in Goa and Goans in Sports Get your free subscription at: http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-sports-goanet.org selma her copartner Gabe wrote: Gabe Menezes [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C0MMENT: It is a bad, bad weekend for Miss Bhandare and her co-sympathisers, Khoro Goenkar and self confessed, fully paid up member of the RSS Chari. selma wrote: dear Gabe, To that list, I add barad, jeevan and kamalaksh, all cut in the same cloth. I'm told the reason they are suddenly out in full force is because they've lost the election and they have to forment trouble somewhere, so they've chosen Goanet. For all we know it may just be one person taking on different aliases. ++ Hi Gabe Selma, U r totally wrong in your judgement in your posts and also in judging us. Nor I am a belonging to any party nor i have anything to do with any parties loss or wins to write and forment trouble in goanet. My replies were to your posts regarding the improper and incorrect information you posted, it may be RSS or Mr. Parrikar. The writings on RSS topics depicted not the facts but the anger towards Hindu Organizations. Mr Gabe dint forget to metion about Curchorem riots, Gujrat violence babri masjid, but overlooked what happened before these incidents took place. RSS or any Hindu organizations never initiate any violence by their own Mr. Gabe, but once anti-national activities start protruding, they always oppose it, and you always highlight their oppose but neglect what made them to do so. That is the point you always ignore to focus on. The election results is not only favouring me, but not does it favour Goa's Progress and development. Its the same Govt responsible for RP2011, supporting Russian Mafiagiri, went on to sell Goa too but couldn't succeed due to the protest and voice raised by some organisations. Goa needs leader like Mr. Parrikar who got foresight of developed Goa. Why was it so that not even one MLA in Parrikar party got corruption charge? But selma and her ilk minded never fail to put RSS mark on Parrikar and calling him communal or khakiwala just to keep him aside from his Development works. He is RSS, but the same RSS man progressed Goa more than anyone. Now dont again highlight abt curchorem, which took plae in Congress govt tenure.
Re: [Goanet] CORRUPTION AND COMMUNALISM.
http://www.GOANET.org International Cuisine Conference on Traditional Asian Diet Panaji, Goa, September 2-5, 2007 - http://www.indologygoa.in Online Media Partner: http://www.goanet.org Averthanus L. D'Souza wrote: Non Hindus are allowed to live here only by sufferance and at the mercy of the RSS. They have no political rights and can claim no privileges. I am surprised with these words. Can you give me the incident from which you have been suffered by RSS. I hope Mr. D'Souza knows Congress Govt. is in power now in Goa and not RSS and that the govt which decides about the policies for the state and its citizens. RSS doesn't hold any position in Govt. affairs. How many Non Hindus have been pained by RSS? Why there is so much outcry about RSS? Have any churches or mosques or any other Non Hindu structure been demolished by RSS? Have they killed or tortured any Non-Hindu? Have you been denied of your rights and duties by this RSS? If yes, then bring it to my notice we'll take them to the court, If No, then please stop this hatred towards RSS for no reason. And RSS won't gain anything by showing the So-called communal VCD. Its just some people dont like to see the cruel tortures made by Portuguese who were Christians by religion on Goans(mostly Hindus who opposed Impelled conversions). Because of this Some christians think that the VCD is anti-catholic, but the truth is its anti-portuguese. Its not movie makers(whom you called rabid RSS movie maker) mistake that Portuguese too were Christians, he cant manipulate those facts. And merely opposing BJP, RSS, VHP and other Hindu Organisations does not put any one in the category of Secualrism. And opposing to that VCD is praising Portuguese rule(destruction of temples, impelled conversions, tortures, etc).
Re: [Goanet] Since we were talking about the RSS... a review
--- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] --- please go through this link Mr.FN Ur doubts will be cleared about RSS http://www.hvk.org/Publications/cihp/ap2.html
[Goanet] Catholics support Congress
--- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html --- Oh my God I cant believe a christian saying such things about his own community brethren. So it wont be surprising to see many emails in this topic pointing out in your name as communal, or how many $ have been deposited in you bank account by BJP (or communal party) etc etc. I really cant understand the mentality of some Goans(mostly catholics and some hindus) who never think Goa as their motherland or birthplace but are mostly inclined towards portuguese regime or culture and thats what reflects in their words when they say BJP as communal even without having strong backing or proofs to say so or any anti-minority or communal incident which took place during BJP's tenure. Goans today know whats wrong and what needs to be changed to get back Goa to right track, but they wont do so because they dont wont peace and harmony to stay in Goa and so they will simply shout in the name of communalism to keep away BJP off power which is the lone source which can enlighten Goa. Can anyone in this forum bring to my notice a single incident wherein a christian or muslim lost his life or got any sort of damage to his property during 2000 to 2004 when Parrikar was holding CM's chair? OR No such communal incident took place during Congress Government? If YES, then i will apologise it Else Plz be sincere enough not to use communal word for BJP or Parrikar henceforth. Some even cross their limits saying Portuguese ruled far better then BJP. Is it So? dint they demolished Hindu Temples? Dint they converted Hindus to Christianity FORCIBLY? Dint they harass our poor Goans that time? dint they killed many Goenkars without any reason just because they were against Portuguese Rule? Dis your so called SECULARISM came to SAVE those temples,?to save the lives of poor Hindus being killed or converted without any reason? Where were those people hiding their faces when these incidents were taking place who just shout now in the name of secularism? Plz think on these issues. This is not Political Forum nor Religious Debate Centre but the place where all our Goenkars brethren can unite ourselves to bring back good governance to power. J. Miranda wrote: Hey guys, excuse me for my poor Hinglish, my mother tongue is still Konkanim. I am having great time reading your emails specially the ones on elections. Everyone has the right to share his own views on a candidate or a party, however biased or honest he/she may be. In my opinion, most of the articles are biased, which you may disagree. What is not right is to discredit people because he/she may be supporting a candidate which you do not like or vice verse. It appears that there are lot of people in this forum who support Congress whose leaders are very corrupt. May be because this forum is mostly catholic. I agree there are lots of opportunities for the Catholics if Congress comes to power. They will have easy access to the ministers to bribe them to do their dirty work. Imagine if there was no Congress in the last 2 years. What would have happened? I hate to say it, but catholics need corrupt people in power to survive because corruption has become part of our culture. Save Goa Front led by Catholics was formed to serve as an alternative to Congress; many of its candidates are contesting elections for the first time. I would have imagined that Catholics would be happy to support this new party. But no, they want to vote for the corrupt. They will not even vote for the independents, some of whom are honest persons. Why vote for them when they will not do our dirty illegal work. It only confirms that corruption is now embedded in our DNA. It does not matter that Goa lands are sold to outsiders by the corrupt politicians in the form of Regional plan or SEZ, etc, as long as my wishes are fulfilled. Goa already has sizable portion of migrants that prompted former PM Deve Gowda's party (Janata Dal) to field 2 Kanadigas for the elections, and even went to the extent of demanding Kannada as a second language, though he later back tracked. But he has already poisoned the minds of the migrants. It is only a matter of time that Kannada will be a second language. It is also amazing to see that some people who supported GBA protest on Regional Plan 2011 are now supporting Congress. What happened? Very soon, Goans will be ruled by the migrants, thanks for the voters who led us there. J. Miranda --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island,
[Goanet] BJP- The Real Enemy.
--- CONVENTION OF THE GOAN DIASPORA FROM GOA INTO THE WORLD Lisbon, Portugal June 15-17, 2007 Details at: http://www.goacom.org/casa-de-goa/noticias.html --- I think despite of targetting BJP, its the time for Goans to think of which party will take Goa to Bright future. What i have observed for the past days is just BJP-communal..communal..communal communal. Has anyone bothered to compare the last 2.5yrs of Congress previous 2.5 yrs of congress and then come to conclusion. So lets compare past 2.5 yrs of both Govt. decide in whose tenure there were communcal crisis. Communalism is not the Issue. What we have to think is unemployment due to which thousands of Goan Professionals have to work in neighborung states inspite of their talent. When will this stop. who will stop this? Cong or BJP? Congress hasn't yet decided their Chief Ministerial candidate, in this sort of mindset will they give us better governance? Congress Govt is like Indian Cricket Team, they are good only on papers and Advt, but when its time to show their acts put their words into reality, just what we notice is foundation stones and nothing else. What matters for Goa is not words, but WORK. BJP might be communal in their words and way of talking, but they haven't brought that communalism in their governance. I think we have to decide between whether to vote the party which is good in giving false promises or the one which is good in its WORK. So i request all of you to share your comments or thoughts on past 2.5yrs of both Govts. i.e. 2.5yrs of congress led and 2.5yrs of BJP led govt. Thanks --- Goanet recommends, and is proud to be associated with, 'Domnic's Goa' - A nostalgic romp through a bygone era. This book is the perfect gift for any Goan, or anyone wanting to understand Goa. Distributed locally by Broadway, near Caculo Island, Panjim internationally by OtherIndiaBookStore.Com. For trade enquiries contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] ---
