[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Date: Sat, 3 Oct 2009 09:41:02 -0400 From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com North Korea and Iran issue has not cropped up after the new US admisnistation. Mario responds: You obviously have no idea that N. Korea and Iran have both accelerated their nuclear programs recently because they have nothing to fear from the new Europeanized administration - only Israel now stands in their way. MD wrote: Bill Clinton visited N. Korea and brought back the US female journalists jailed there for illegal entry. Would the US Military might have accomplished this? Mario responds: Prior to this administration the US did not negotiate with terrorists. This only leads to more terrorism. MD wrote: The current US adminstration is working on Iran in coordination with its previously ignored Eurppean Allies. Mario responds: Like the blind leading the blind. Iran has nothing to fear from these weak kneed people - they only fear Israel. Here is one journalists view of the new president: www.americanthinker.com/2009/10/did_we_elect_a_beta_male_as_pr_1.html MD wrote: Out of the whole haystack, I found one die hard supporter of Bush, Guess who Mario responds: If you looked at the facts perhaps you would support Bush too, and not Saddam Hussein or the Taliban. Only because of Bush do 50 million innocent Muslims in Iraq and Afghanistan have a chance for freedom and democracy. The delay is because of people like you, and the rest of your haystack, who sympathize with and provide immoral support to those who want to destabilize these countries and prevent freedom and democracy from being consolidated. Only because of Bush was Kosovo able to become an independant country. Only because of Bush was India able to get a special nuclear agreement against the opposition of many other countries.
[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
* G * O * A * N * E * T C * L * A * S * S * I * F * I * E * D * S * Planning to get married in Goa? www.weddingsetcgoa.com Making your 'dream wedding' possible Mario, Please do not indulge me. You are the expert on American Politics, world politics and almost any thing under the sky and beyond. Do not ask,but enlighten us. Save our time. North Korea and Iran issue has not cropped up after the new US admisnistation. Diplomacy: Bill Clinton visited N.Korea and brought back the US female journalists jailed there for illegal entry. Would the US Military might have accomplished this? The current US adminstration is working on Iran in coordination with its previously ignored Eurppean Allies. Out of the whole haystack, I found one die hard supporter of Bush, Guess who Best regards May your key board be mightier!! Maurice Message: 8 Date: Thu, 1 Oct 2009 10:03:25 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India? Message-ID: 347110.51491...@web80505.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:09:34 -0400 From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com As India can never become a superpower in its real sense, Obama may have realised India?s potential in limited spheres!! Mario observes: Unfortunately for this theory, India is one of the world's major nuclear powers and capable of enhancing their nuclear capabilities without aid from anyone else. President Bush, who is far smarter than Obama, was quick to recognize this, and as a leader of the other major democracy Bush became the most pro-Indian US President in history. Obama is not that smart if he cannot see India's capabilities. I think he is just more sympathetic towards the Muslim nations in general, even though most of these countries refuse to accept Israel's right to exist and the primary financing for terrorists who claim to be Islamic comes from these countries. Obama has also become a nightmare for the US as his dropping popularity since he became President demonstrates: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll MD wrote: I see nothing unusual if President Obama swings widely at that direction, he has American National Security in his mind. Mario responds: In that case why is Obama investigating the CIA while shutting down Gitmo and insisting that captured Islamic terrorists be treated like honored house guests? Why did he shut down the missile defense plans in the Czech Republic and Poland against a nuclear Iran? Why are all the enemies of America like N. Korea and Iran, now accelerating their nuclear capabilities and missiles, with no fear of any retaliation, just as Obama is pushing for nuclear disarmament? Other enemies are forming anti-American alliances like Venezuela and Libya. At the UN, Obama reacted to the news of a secret Iranian nuclear facility, by threatening to talk to them about it. This led an exasperated Nicholas Sarkozy to lecture America that it must be more resolute? Even India is now looking to enhance their nuclear weapons realizing Obama as an unrelieble ally. Israel is now becoming the leader of the free world's security: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977826282grpId=3659174697241980
[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
Date: Wed, 30 Sep 2009 01:09:34 -0400 From: MD mmdme...@gmail.com As India can never become a superpower in its real sense, Obama may have realised India?s potential in limited spheres!! Mario observes: Unfortunately for this theory, India is one of the world's major nuclear powers and capable of enhancing their nuclear capabilities without aid from anyone else. President Bush, who is far smarter than Obama, was quick to recognize this, and as a leader of the other major democracy Bush became the most pro-Indian US President in history. Obama is not that smart if he cannot see India's capabilities. I think he is just more sympathetic towards the Muslim nations in general, even though most of these countries refuse to accept Israel's right to exist and the primary financing for terrorists who claim to be Islamic comes from these countries. Obama has also become a nightmare for the US as his dropping popularity since he became President demonstrates: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll MD wrote: I see nothing unusual if President Obama swings widely at that direction, he has American National Security in his mind. Mario responds: In that case why is Obama investigating the CIA while shutting down Gitmo and insisting that captured Islamic terrorists be treated like honored house guests? Why did he shut down the missile defense plans in the Czech Republic and Poland against a nuclear Iran? Why are all the enemies of America like N. Korea and Iran, now accelerating their nuclear capabilities and missiles, with no fear of any retaliation, just as Obama is pushing for nuclear disarmament? Other enemies are forming anti-American alliances like Venezuela and Libya. At the UN, Obama reacted to the news of a secret Iranian nuclear facility, by threatening to talk to them about it. This led an exasperated Nicholas Sarkozy to lecture America that it must be more resolute? Even India is now looking to enhance their nuclear weapons realizing Obama as an unrelieble ally. Israel is now becoming the leader of the free world's security: http://www.gather.com/viewArticle.action?articleId=281474977826282grpId=3659174697241980
Re: [Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
--- On Thu, 10/1/09, Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net wrote: I think he is just more sympathetic towards the Muslim nations in general, even though most of these countries refuse to accept Israel's right to exist and the primary financing for terrorists who claim to be Islamic comes from these countries. Obama has also become a nightmare for the US as his dropping popularity since he became President demonstrates: --- Mario, isn't it true that even if Jesus Christ himself came down to earth, and took up the presidency of the US, you'd have a problem with the man seeing that Jesus is a bleeding heart, socialist, liberal democrat? :-) best, selma
Re: [Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
Mario Goveia wrote: http://www.dailypioneer.com/205327/Nightmare-presidency.html Obama has also become a nightmare for the US as his dropping popularity since he became President demonstrates: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll Date: Fri, 2 Oct 2009 05:39:38 -0700 (PDT) From: Carvalho elisabeth_...@yahoo.com Mario, isn't it true that even if Jesus Christ himself came down to earth, and took up the presidency of the US, you'd have a problem with the man seeing that Jesus is a bleeding heart, socialist, liberal democrat? :-) Mario responds: Selmabai, Haven't I been teaching you to line up your facts first, then analyzing them logically before arriving at your conclusions?:-)) No, it is not true, because Big JC as we like to call him in the 'hood would never be a Democrat - have you ever perused their skanky platform where the un-born and the long-born are dispensable and everyone in between is a potential member of a special interest vote bank? Where did you get the idea that Big JC was a liberal socialist? He wanted nothing to do with Caesar, tax collectors - the foundation stones of socialism - were anathema in his day, he preached about personal responsibility and maximizing one's gifts and putting millstones around the necks of child predators before throwing them into the sea. Big JC today would be a bleeding-heart libertarian-conservative Independent or a Republican if he wanted to run for office, because he believed in personal responsibility and PEOPLE, not Caesar, helping those who cannot help themselves. Big JC would dismantle Iran and N. Korea's nukes and change the hearts of the murderous insurgents delaying freedom and democracy in Iraq and Afghanistan with one sweep of his staff, have Chavez, Castro, Morales and Ortega grovelling before him and begging forgiveness, and get the radical Palestinians to finally accept Israel's right to exist so that they can get on with some serious negotiations. The Ten Suggestions would go back to being the Ten Commandments. He would make a great US President with Sarah or Bobby as Veep:-))
[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION: Alternative Publishing - Is it viable to traditional publishing? WHERE: Art Lounge - Sunaparanta, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji WHEN: September 30, 2009 - 5:30pm http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.phpeid=146588805806mid=12a68daG1df3c3d3G2ac936fG7 As India can never become a superpower in its real sense, Obama may have realised India’s potential in limited spheres!! Even now it relies on foreign powers including Israel for its defence equipment procurement. Given the current ‘All Indians born in India are Hindus’ type of thinking, naturally Obama being the President of the only world superpower, may have realised emergence of a Hindu Hardliner India, may try to misuse its nuclear arsenal. Furthermore, Obama is a Politician, he has seen the alarming rate of domestic unemployment, therefore if ‘profit’ is not the only criterion, may opt to keep the jobs at home, providing jobs to Americans rather than outsourcing, thereby, he will provide more jobs locally and increase his vote bank...this is called killing two birds with one stone. As for AfPak, it is quite natural to eliminate the breeding ground of potential terrorists that can be a threat to America’s national security. Bush won on these same grounds two terms but did not eliminate the breeding ground for terrorists. I see nothing unusual if President Obama ‘swings’ widely at that direction, he has American National Security in his mind. I also heard there are many Americans of India origin in his administration. MD. Message: 2 Date: Mon, 28 Sep 2009 16:16:01 -0700 (PDT) From: Mario Goveia mgov...@sbcglobal.net To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Subject: [Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India? Message-ID: 710865.22684...@web80502.mail.mud.yahoo.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 http://www.dailypioneer.com/205327/Nightmare-presidency.html Excerpt: He may not relish the comparison but it is now becoming increasingly obvious that Mr Barack Obama is the most hostile American President for India since Richard Nixon. In the eight months he has been in office, Mr Obama has snubbed India more than once. He has sent repeated signals that New Delhi is not integral to his Asian security architecture. Partly as a result of his country?s economic crisis, he has bent over backwards to accommodate China. His open advocacy of protectionism has been most visibly targeted at outsourcing of technology jobs to India. He headlined anti-trade legislation by saying it would punish those who created jobs in Bangalore rather than Buffalo, a special mention that was extraordinarily impolitic and did not go unnoticed in India. In contrast, the tariff war against Chinese tyres has not been posited in such stark bilateral terms. This past week, the Obama team reversed a decade of American nuclear pragmatism and went back to an outdated non-proliferation agenda that should have died, really, in the 1990s. Once more, India has been asked to give up its nuclear weapons and sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a second-tier power. Most alarmingly, Mr Obama has swung wildly on Afghanistan-Pakistan (AfPak). At various points his diplomats and Generals have said different things. Yet, in all this the overarching political message has been missing. [end of excerpt]
Re: [Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
--- On Wed, 9/30/09, MD mmdme...@gmail.com wrote: As India can never become a superpower in its real sense, Obama may have realised India’s potential in limited spheres!! Even now it relies on foreign powers including Israel for its defence equipment procurement. Given the current ‘All Indians born in India are Hindus’ type of thinking, naturally Obama being the President of the only world superpower, may have realised emergence of a Hindu Hardliner India, may try to misuse its nuclear arsenal. This is as contrived and bizarre an argument about the current U.S. policy towards India as the previous one in this thread, which it is addressing. Any objective person would note that India is a stable secular democratic republic headed by a centrist Government comprising the Indian National Congress party. This is in contrast to China, which is a communist autocracy and Pakistan, which is a failed unstable Islamic republic. The Hindu hardliners were roundly and soundly defeated in the last two national elections, and the majority of the voting population has never subscribed to their theocratic nationalism. The president of the U.S. is elected to defend the interests of his own country. He has no obligation to promote the interests of any other country. Cheers, Santosh
[Goanet] Is Obama a nightmare for India?
INTERACTIVE DISCUSSION: Alternative Publishing - Is it viable to traditional publishing? WHERE: Art Lounge - Sunaparanta, Near Lar de Estudantes, Altinho, Panaji WHEN: September 30, 2009 - 5:30pm http://www.facebook.com/n/?event.phpeid=146588805806mid=12a68daG1df3c3d3G2ac936fG7 http://www.dailypioneer.com/205327/Nightmare-presidency.html Excerpt: He may not relish the comparison but it is now becoming increasingly obvious that Mr Barack Obama is the most hostile American President for India since Richard Nixon. In the eight months he has been in office, Mr Obama has snubbed India more than once. He has sent repeated signals that New Delhi is not integral to his Asian security architecture. Partly as a result of his country’s economic crisis, he has bent over backwards to accommodate China. His open advocacy of protectionism has been most visibly targeted at outsourcing of technology jobs to India. He headlined anti-trade legislation by saying it would punish those who created jobs in Bangalore rather than Buffalo, a special mention that was extraordinarily impolitic and did not go unnoticed in India. In contrast, the tariff war against Chinese tyres has not been posited in such stark bilateral terms. This past week, the Obama team reversed a decade of American nuclear pragmatism and went back to an outdated non-proliferation agenda that should have died, really, in the 1990s. Once more, India has been asked to give up its nuclear weapons and sign the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty as a second-tier power. Most alarmingly, Mr Obama has swung wildly on Afghanistan-Pakistan (AfPak). At various points his diplomats and Generals have said different things. Yet, in all this the overarching political message has been missing. [end of excerpt]
