Re: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
Sandeep Heble wrote: There are times when people get carried away by propaganda that is based, not on facts and logic, but on misrepresentations and emotion. This is one of those times. A lot of falsehoods, masquerading as facts, have appeared here in this forum for some time now, but in the end, as Mahatma Gandhi would always say, the truth will always win. I was honestly very disappointed when I read the above response from Francis Rodrigues, trying to unnecessarily turn this debate into a communal-secular one. I agree with you, Sandeep. For those of you who are not aware, Samir Salgaocar is Hindu, his wife is a non-Hindu and Samir has a brother-in-law who is Catholic. Mervyn3.0 __ Ask a question on any topic and get answers from real people. Go to Yahoo! Answers and share what you know at http://ca.answers.yahoo.com
[Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
S. Sawaikar writes: Today only I have heard that nobody form chess ariana were there to receive World champion Ivana Furtado at Dabolim Airport. Francis Rodrigues writes: Back to the pavillion -Why is there such a slant in favour of Bhakti Kulkarni in Mr. Salgaocar's reports on Goan chess?? Even if Ivana Furtado wins gold in her section, and Bhakti silver in hers, the first two paras are always devoted to Bhakti!!Now look at the travesty in Mr. Sawaikar's message below -Why is Ivana continually being slighted by this communal-ridden GSCA? --- There are times when people get carried away by propaganda that is based, not on facts and logic, but on misrepresentations and emotion. This is one of those times. A lot of falsehoods, masquerading as facts, have appeared here in this forum for some time now, but in the end, as Mahatma Gandhi would always say, the truth will always win. I was honestly very disappointed when I read the above response from Francis Rodrigues, trying to unnecessarily turn this debate into a communal-secular one. I may not know Samir Salgaocar well enough but I know for sure that he does not differentiate between a Bhakti and an Ivana. Those who choose to see Bhakti as a Hindu and Ivana as a Catholic are actually the ones who are living in glass houses. They should not throw stones at others. I chose to defer my reply to this as I was trying to locate the press note that had appeared in a local daily sometime back. I took some time off this morning to go to the Municipal library, where I found the same in the 1st August issue of the Navhind Times. Nothing can hit harder than hard facts. I have uploaded a copy of the Press note, which should set the records straight. The relevant portion of that press note reads: Ivana and her father Mr. Elly, who doubles as the manager, were welcomed by President of the Goa State Chess Association, Mr. Samir Salgaocar, Vice- President, Mr. M.R. Naik, Secretary, Mr. Suhas Asnodkar, Joint Secretary, Vasant Naik, and member Mr. Damodar Zambaulikar. Please click the link below for more on that: http://picasaweb.google.com/sandeepheble/Chess Use the zoom button to make it easier to read. I also spoke to Samir on this, who informed me that almost the entire 'GSCA' committee camped patiently at the Airport for nearly two hours to greet Ivana on her wonderful feat. Now, instead of lauding him and his committee, there are people who choose to call him communal. It looks like they have their own axes to grind. Incidentally, the one person who was conspicuous by his absence was Mr. Shrikant Barve, who always brags at every given opportunity that he was Ivana's first Coach. None of the other members from his Taleigao Chess Academy were there to welcome her too. Now I personally have no real problems with this, since each one is busy in his own personal life, but it is quite clear from the above that those who have problems with such trivial things are directing their ire in the wrong directions. More on other related issues - - -later! Cheers Sandeep
[Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
Back to the pavillion - Why is there such a slant in favour of Bhakti Kulkarni in Mr. Salgaocar's reports on Goan chess?? Even if Ivana Furtado wins gold in her section, and Bhakti silver in hers, the first two paras are always devoted to Bhakti!! Now look at the travesty in Mr. Sawaikar's message below - Why is Ivana continually being slighted by this communal-ridden GSCA? Onto the AICF - 1983 - Viswanathan Anand, a 14 yr old prodigy from Madras wanted to play in the National 'B, but the AICF rudely blocked him, insisting he qualify through the year-long district championships. The wily Madras District Chess Association discovered a loophole, and quickly created a special teen team, the Madras Colts, and entered them in the National Team Championships at IIT, Mumbai, with Anand on the top board. Anand crushed all to win the top board prize and a direct seeding to the National 'B' championships. He never looked back, and today is world champion, primarily responsible for the current chess renaissance in India. Is the AICF still shameless - when taking away Shri Barve's livelihood?? Sameer Salgaocar's silence is deafening - I have no quarrel with him - but THE RIVER PRINCESS MUST GO ! Tomorrow - the fictitious GSCA website. FR. Date: Thu, 31 Jul 2008 From: S SAWAIKAR Subject: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS Dear Mr. Sandeep Heble, Now let's find out who is this OSAMA who is making shield of Mr. Shrikant Barve and attacking AICF GSCA in the interest of good chess in Goa, don't u think. On one side u somewhat agree the things Mr. Shrikant Barve is doing is right and on other way u say him Mujahideen Suicide Bombers. To whom u are trying to prevent, or u are confused, please make it clear please. Today only I have heard that nobody form chess ariana were there to receive World champion Ivana Furtado at Dabolim Airport. Your's S. Sawaikar _ If you like crossword puzzles, then you'll love Flexicon, a game which combines four overlapping crossword puzzles into one! http://g.msn.ca/ca55/208
[Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
Dear Mr. Sandeep Heble, Now let's find out who is this OSAMA who is making shield of Mr. Shrikant Barve and attacking AICF GSCA in the interest of good chess in Goa, don't u think. On one side u somewhat agree the things Mr. Shrikant Barve is doing is right and on other way u say him Mujahideen Suicide Bombers. To whom u are trying to prevent, or u are confused, please make it clear please. Today only I have heard that nobody form chess ariana were there to receive World champion Ivana Furtado at Dabolim Airport. Your's S. Sawaikar
Re: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Tri Continental Film Festival 2008 July 25 - 30, 2008 Goa, India http://www.moviesgoa.org/page/tri_continental/ http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricon/schedule_2008.pdf --- Time to gird up the loins - We are told Sameer Salgaocar has spent 15 lakhs of his personal funds to sponsor Goan chess. Doesn't self-publicity demean a 'gift'? Let's move on. Salgaocar's grounded River Princess has destroyed our northern coastline in an ecological disaster a shade shy of genocide. Our marine life has been pulverised, the sea-face polluted, fishermen annihilated, bathers seriously injured by the the rusting shrapnel. What does one have to do with the other? A conscience. Remember the steward in the Good Book? One cannot trumpet altruism on the one hand, and promote mass evil on the other. Therefore - Is the money saved on the River Princess, used to promote chess? The questions before us remain the same: WHEN WILL MR. BARVE'S LIVELIHOOD BE RESTORED? WHEN WILL WE BE RID OF THE EVIL RIVER PRINCESS? The AICF is no saint either. More on that tomorrow. One step at a time. FR -- Message: 5 Date: Tue, 29 Jul 2008 09:12:10 +0530 From: Sandeep Heble Subject: Re: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS Dear Mr. Barve, Whatever the merits/ drawbacks of the said AICF Circular, the fact remains that you are in a sad minority in this. You seem to be the only one, not only in Goa but in the whole of India, fighting and wasting time over it, while those who you feel are going to be affected just do not seem to be interested. You have been unable to garner even token support for your supposed worthy cause and it is something you have been unable to come to terms with. _
Re: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
--- http://www.GOANET.org --- Tri Continental Film Festival 2008 July 25 - 30, 2008 Goa, India http://www.moviesgoa.org/page/tri_continental/ http://www.moviesgoa.org/tricon/schedule_2008.pdf --- Dear Mr. Barve, Whatever the merits/ drawbacks of the said AICF Circular, the fact remains that you are in a sad minority in this. You seem to be the only one, not only in Goa but in the whole of India, fighting and wasting time over it, while those who you feel are going to be affected just do not seem to be interested. You have been unable to garner even token support for your supposed worthy cause and it is something you have been unable to come to terms with. In your Internet discussions and in the emails that you have sent to all and sundry, you have made quite a few derogatory statements against AICF Officials, including accusing them of having a hidden agenda of siphoning of funds. You must consider yourself fortunate that they have not pressed for defamation charges against you in the Courts at Chennai, which would have put you in a bigger soup. Whatever the merits of your statement, it will be difficult if not impossible for you to prove your accusations and you will only end up losing your time, your efforts and your money, which is not worth it. I hold no brief for Sports Associations and I have my own problems with most of them but battles are not fought the way you are fighting. First and foremost, we garner support for the cause that we wish to stand for and only then we try to take on the Associations. Your method is nothing but a method of madness. I would equate you with one of those Mujahideen Suicide Bombers who too believe that they are the warriors of God, and are willing to kill, and die, for the cause that they believe in. They do not realize that in the process they are causing themselves, and humanity, grave harm by their actions. I do not know who your own 'Osama' is, but if you do have someone behind you, he/she is a bad Advisor. In your own book The Right Move, you have preferred to call Samir Salgaocar the Good Samaritan, whereas you now feel that he some kind of a Villain, conspiring against you. Instead of trying to blame others for the mess you find yourself in, it is high time you realize that you have harmed yourself considerably by your own actions, and the faster you come to terms with this, the better it will be for your own interests, and for the interest of chess in Goa. Cheers Sandeep
Re: [Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2008 Toronto International Goan Convention Theme: Goan Identity And Networking Today. http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * A lot of people on Goanet have had their own say on the raging chess controversy that has been going on for some time now. In the more recent posts that have appeared, I have found the tone a bit harsh and one-sided, unfair and based more on emotions rather than on facts or reason. Before I comment further on this, I shall take note of Mahatma Gandhi's words. He said before we do any act, we need to ask ourselves if it is the truth and if it is fair to all concerned. In this response, I shall therefore try to be as truthful as I can possibly be and fair to those concerned in this whole episode. I somehow got dragged into the whole chess controversy after I posted my response to one of Mr. Shrikant Barve's posts on Goanet. I initially threw my weight behind Mr. Barve lock, stock and barrel; primarily on the grounds that his rights under Freedom of Expression were being seriously vitiated. The deeper I got seeped into, the murkier this whole thing appeared. As many twists and turns as Dev Anand's Jewel Thief. Equally entertaining stuff! Anonymous mails, impersonation, defamatory statements, conspiracies and here were all the ingredients of a Bollywood thriller. Man, it is said, is the maker of his own destiny and I wouldn't be too off the mark if I were to say that Mr. Barve scripted his own by deliberately choosing to fish in troubled waters. The whole controversy erupted after Mr. Barve aired his views on a particular AICF circular, on a remote internet community. A Yahoo Question-Answers Forum that neither Mr. Salgaocar nor the other bigwigs in the AICF would have read in the first place, had not, strangely, Mr. Barve sounded them off about the same himself. In other words, this was the beginning of him digging his own grave. The Goa State Chess Association (GSCA) got into the act, organized a meeting to discuss this issue, and distanced themselves from Mr. Barve's comments, leaving it up to the AICF to take any action against Mr. Barve as they deemed fit. This issue would have been laid to rest then and there itself, but more twists and turns were yet to follow. In the next few days, through my discussions with the 'GSCA' President Samir Salgaocar and a few others involved in chess, all the other murky things - - hidden from public glare, and perceptions and issues that I was disconnected with - - began to surface. Mr. Samir Salgaocar had received a whole lot of anonymous unsavory mails, some taunting, yet others defamatory. In fact, a couple of mails were sent impersonating an office-bearer of the 'GSCA', clearly intended to trigger a fight between the two. Since Barve was the one who was making all the noises against the 'GSCA', the doubts of suspicion were placed on him. Barve denied his involvement when I confronted him on these. The sleuth in me got me to carry out my own undercover investigations, but we will leave that story for a different day. I tried my level best to get the two to bury the hatchet. Samir did not event know me, except for our limited interactions over email/ telephone, but I felt he was pretty reasonable and considerate. In fact, he even tried to go out of his way to try and iron out the differences, by offering to take Barve along with him by flight, entirely at his own cost, to attend an AICF meeting; so that whatever reservations Mr. Barve had vis-à-vis the said circular could be aired before the right authorities. Mr. Barve declined the offer but promised not to post anything more on the Internet forums. In the next few days, a meeting was organized where we were to sit together and discuss these issues logically and amicably, but just before that Mr. Barve went back on his word. The posts against the AICF continued, not before the right authorities but before the wrong ones, with Barve spraying his posts on various Internet forums, and e-mails marked to all and sundry in the chess world - -the Grandmasters, the International Masters, perhaps even to Vishwanathan Anand. It is pertinent to note that in these posts, defamatory statements were made against the 'AICF' Administrators, statements that have been referred to in Barve's Life Ban letter. Hence, contrary to the picture that Mr. Barve has tried to present, he is hardly the tortured unfortunate victim of an orchestrated propaganda against him. It is Barve's stubborn postures; and silly nay foolish behavior that has got him to where he is now. And contrary to the picture that has been made out here on this forum, Mr. Samir Salgaocar is hardly the villain that he is made out to be. If Chess is on the upswing in the State today, the one person who can be credited with
[Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
* * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * 2008 Toronto International Goan Convention Theme: Goan Identity And Networking Today. http://2008goanconvention.com/index.php Mario Miranda Festival, July 24-26, 2008 Old GMC Building http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-July/077732.html * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * * Dear Sandeep, My all postings are first sent to Hon. Secretary D. V. Sunder All India Chess Federation. These has been followed since very long back. After over throwing Koya as Honorable Secretary and may be CEO of AICF in 2005, This Executive body which has come unopposed on June 20 2008. During this four years this Ex. Body has accumulated surplus of Rs.90 lacs. In these four years 30X4 children between 8 to 15 represented India as official entries at International tournament. There are many more donor entries representing India for International tournament. Many of these children have won medals for India. None of these get any training facility through AICF. It was said in Coaching program circular that 10 children from each of the 35 Association will be given special training. It was also announced “Big Boost” on March 27 that (19 coaches which include 4 GM’s) has applied for coaching these children. Where is that Big boost? It is more than six months from the issue of Coaching program circular by All India Chess Federation. No posting about Coaching program schedule on AICF web site till date. That remuneration circular is harm full for progress of CHESS in India. That is the only reason why I am targeting that circular. I am doing this from the day it came to my notice may be on January 20 2008. [Appeal to Our Senior Players / IMS' / WIM's / GM's / WGM's / FM's and coaches AICF proposes to short list the names of coaches who are interested to coach our players and prepare them for National and International tournaments. Those interested are requested to send a mail to AICF with their Bio-data and achievements in coaching if any. The AICF shall pay Rs.10,000/- for GM's and RS.7,000/- or Rs 5000/- for others for a ten day coaching programme. For outstation coaches AICF will reimburse, on production of tickets, third A/c train fare and shall take care of the local hospitality. Those interested may kindly send your mail immediately.] My reservation were quoting those amount figure [The AICF shall pay Rs.10,000/- for GM's and RS.7,000/- or Rs 5000/- for others for a ten day coaching programme.] in that circular . When peanuts are offered how one can expect good coaches to come forward! Parents and children are not suffering! With Rs.90 lacs in kitty…what is the use? Coaching Program is total failure and I have also received Life Ban. Circular may go some day but my life ban on me will remain…as per your understanding of situation. - Feb 26 2008 Notice received through email from Goa State Chess Association was on my posting in Yahoo Q/A. May 19 2008 Show Cause Notice received from AICF was on misquoting income of AICF on Gomantak Times. Which said that “suspension pending enquiry”. I replied on next day May 20 asking for Constitution of AICF to give proper reply…. Life ban notice received from AICF as gift on my 48th birthday July 21st 2008 based on my posting available on Goanet..link given below… Why so much hulla gulla by AICF? http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072389.html I have officially as well as personally asked for a copy of AICF constitution from Sameer Salgaocar to give proper reply of Show Cause Notice but… There has been no official or unofficial communication to me to visit AICF office for any reason till date. I would have answered other thinks also quoted in your letter but I don’t want to divert from Core Issue… Core issue This was a good circular/notice…. uploaded on the AICF website may be on 12 or 13 Jan 2008 INFORMATION TO ALL OFFICE BEARERS, STATE ASSOCIATIONS CHESS PLAYERS COACHING PROGRAMME http://www.indianchessfed.org/News/2008/January/coachingprogramme01.asp I as a Secretary of Taleigao Chess Academy by my email dt. Jan 13, 2008 (copy enclosed) had congratulated AICF for coming out with coaching programme. Copies of this email had been sent to Acting Secretary as well as President of GSCA. This is the bad circular/notice uploaded on the AICF website may be on 17 Jan 2008 Appeal to Our Senior Players / IMS' / WIM's / GM's / WGM's / FM's and coaches http://www.indianchessfed.org/News/2008/January/natI13Girls/appealtoourplayerscoachingprogramme.asp In respect of above circular/notice came to my notice on 17 Jan 2008. I have informed the President about my reservations may be on Jan 20 and repeated there after. Shrikant Barve Unlimited freedom, unlimited storage. Get it now, on
[Goanet] Sameer Salgaocar has thrown me out of CHESS
Dear Goans, Today I have received a letter from All India Chess Federation informing that You are expelled from all chess activities. copy of letter http://photos.ibibo.com/photos/viewphoto/a61d44f6251a9e287f41c13d4e4f472142-v1/4105232 http://photos.ibibo.com/photos/viewphoto/a61d44f6251a9e287f41c13d4e4f472142-v1/4105235 It was started by Sameer Salgaocar by issuing first Action contemplated against Taleigao body http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-March/070101.html Para which was quoted in AICF letter is from my following article. Why so much hulla gulla by AICF? http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-April/072389.html I have received Show Cause Notice on May 19 2008 which I have replied on next day May 20 and had asked for copies of AICF constitution. http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2507824871/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/[EMAIL PROTECTED]/2508612526/ It was stated in notice that I have been suspended pending enquiry. AICF SHOW COUSE NOTICE, SHRIKANT BARVE REPLY http://lists.goanet.org/pipermail/goanet-goanet.org/2008-May/074229.html I have send several reminders to AICF asking for Constitution. Few friends also visited and met Hon. Secretary D.V. Sunder on my behalf. But till date I have not received Constitution and I could not reply. That notice also said that an enquiry but I was not called for any enquiry till date. It also states that Legal action against Federation shall be instituted only in the courts at Chennai. Sameer Salgaocar as Vice President of All India Chess Federation has shown his colors. On my part I who have been giving my life to the game which has given me my livelihood, but Sameer Salgaocar has Succeeded in throwing me out from my passion livehood. I am not in a Position to fight legal battel in Chennai. Its upto Goan whether they want my services as CHESS coach or not. Shrikant Vinayak Barve Explore your hobbies and interests. Go to http://in.promos.yahoo.com/groups/
