[Goanet] An interesting take on the prevalent "long-term tourist's depiction of Goa(CecilPinto)

[Dom Martin]

In the realm and Schelm of existence and coexistence, we are all humans first 
and ethnically diverse later.  If we cannot coexist humanely, the latter 
becomes significantly irrelevant.


Dom Martin

Re: [Goanet] An interesting take on the prevalent "long-term tourist's" depiction of Goa

[Eugene Correia]

I see thar non-Goans who are in the privileged positions as editors comment on 
Goenkarponn. Having lived in Goa for say, 13 by years, they consider themselves 
qualified to write on the subject. One claimed to have imbibed the. Carnival 
spirit and maybe other cultural things. In Konkani, these people are called 
"addeche Goenkar." I was born and brought up in Bombay but never it occurred it 
me I was indeed a "Marathi manus."
Appropriating another's culture is good but, in Goa, many say so to be accepted 
as "Goans". Residential qualifications apart, these outsiders are skimming the 
largesse of Gia and its society. I doubt they have any concern for the Goan 
culture in their hearts. For me. They are make-believe Goans. 
I have seen many Indians who can't be said to be Canadians. To me they appear 
Induans to the core. No wonder, Leitch. One of the 14 running to be the 
Conservative leader, wants immigrants who have "Canadian core values. " One is 
it sure what these values are.

Eugene






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> On Mar 5, 2017, at 12:05 AM, Mervyn Lobo  wrote:
> 
> On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cecil Pinto sent:
> 
>> My last essay
>> 
>> hit a nerve with a Scottish reader, who argued that after living in Goa for
>> five years, he should be considered a Goan. This is despite the fact that
>> he doesn’t socialize with Goans; he claimed that this is irrelevant. I
>> responded that being viewed as a Goan is not a question of time spent in
>> Goa but of engagement with the place. Engagement is a critical topic, as
>> Goa is treated like a reward
>> ==
> 
> 
> Everyone is entitled to her own opinion and I actually like those who have
> different views from mine. The problem is that people are not entitled to
> their own facts. And the fact in contention here is that the Portuguese did
> not 'withdraw' from Goa. They were given many opportunities to do so but
> they chose the dumbest one. India then marched in and kicked them out.
> People from all parts of India are now marching in and that is their right.
> 70 years ago Goans were marching into Mumbai and there was no objection to
> it.
> 
> My concern right now is if I decide to relocate from Toronto to my
> ancestral house in Goa, I may not be able to afford it. My bigger concern
> is that the locals there, today, cannot afford to live in their own land.
> 
> 
> As for claiming who is or is not a Goan, the answer lies in the legal
> books. If it takes 3.5 years to legally be a Canadian or a Goan so be it.
> Thanks to P. Trudeau, I was Canadian before I arrived here. On the other
> hand, I know Irish immigrants who have been in Canada 40 years, who are
> thorough Canadians, but have not become citizens as they absolutely refuse
> to swear allegiance to the Queen.
> 
> Similarly, one can claim to have become 'Goan' without meeting any of the
> requirements others impose - in order to be 'accepted.'
> 
> Mervyn

Re: [Goanet] An interesting take on the prevalent "long-term tourist's" depiction of Goa

[Amitav Ghosh]

Thanks Cecil. Interesting pieces - will tweet.





www.amitavghosh.com

On Sun, Mar 5, 2017 at 1:27 AM, Cecil Pinto  wrote:

> http://chasingxine.blogspot.in/2017/01/modern-colonial-encounters.html
>
> Yes, Goa is very hospitable. So accommodating a place is this that if you
> want to pretend the Goans don’t exist, you can do that with little protest.
> We know that Goa is regarded by many as a playground of sorts, but beyond
> this, spaces in Goa and depictions of Goa that are void of Goans feed into
> the notion that Goa was an empty place after the Portuguese left in 1961.
> This is a useful exercise for those from the Indian mainland, but what do
> foreign tourists have to gain from this?
>
> .
>
> And a follow-up
> http://chasingxine.blogspot.in/2017/03/home-staging-of-goa.html
>
> My last essay
> 
> hit a nerve with a Scottish reader, who argued that after living in Goa for
> five years, he should be considered a Goan. This is despite the fact that
> he doesn’t socialize with Goans; he claimed that this is irrelevant. I
> responded that being viewed as a Goan is not a question of time spent in
> Goa but of engagement with the place. Engagement is a critical topic, as
> Goa is treated like a reward
>  for
> those with money, who have fuelled the demand for investment property or
> who have chosen to abandon the rat race for a quiet life here. Add to this
> the numerous domestic and international tourists, who occupy different
> spaces that tend not to include Goans. As I have already argued (see
> above-cited essay), this is how hospitable Goa is—you can pretend there are
> no Goans here.
>
> ==
>
>
>

Re: [Goanet] An interesting take on the prevalent "long-term tourist's" depiction of Goa

[Mervyn Lobo]

On Sat, Mar 4, 2017 at 1:57 PM, Cecil Pinto sent:

> My last essay
> 
> hit a nerve with a Scottish reader, who argued that after living in Goa for
> five years, he should be considered a Goan. This is despite the fact that
> he doesn’t socialize with Goans; he claimed that this is irrelevant. I
> responded that being viewed as a Goan is not a question of time spent in
> Goa but of engagement with the place. Engagement is a critical topic, as
> Goa is treated like a reward
> ==
>


Everyone is entitled to her own opinion and I actually like those who have
different views from mine. The problem is that people are not entitled to
their own facts. And the fact in contention here is that the Portuguese did
not 'withdraw' from Goa. They were given many opportunities to do so but
they chose the dumbest one. India then marched in and kicked them out.
People from all parts of India are now marching in and that is their right.
70 years ago Goans were marching into Mumbai and there was no objection to
it.

My concern right now is if I decide to relocate from Toronto to my
ancestral house in Goa, I may not be able to afford it. My bigger concern
is that the locals there, today, cannot afford to live in their own land.


As for claiming who is or is not a Goan, the answer lies in the legal
books. If it takes 3.5 years to legally be a Canadian or a Goan so be it.
Thanks to P. Trudeau, I was Canadian before I arrived here. On the other
hand, I know Irish immigrants who have been in Canada 40 years, who are
thorough Canadians, but have not become citizens as they absolutely refuse
to swear allegiance to the Queen.

Similarly, one can claim to have become 'Goan' without meeting any of the
requirements others impose - in order to be 'accepted.'

Mervyn

[Goanet] An interesting take on the prevalent "long-term tourist's" depiction of Goa

[Cecil Pinto]

http://chasingxine.blogspot.in/2017/01/modern-colonial-encounters.html

Yes, Goa is very hospitable. So accommodating a place is this that if you
want to pretend the Goans don’t exist, you can do that with little protest.
We know that Goa is regarded by many as a playground of sorts, but beyond
this, spaces in Goa and depictions of Goa that are void of Goans feed into
the notion that Goa was an empty place after the Portuguese left in 1961.
This is a useful exercise for those from the Indian mainland, but what do
foreign tourists have to gain from this?

.

And a follow-up
http://chasingxine.blogspot.in/2017/03/home-staging-of-goa.html

My last essay

hit a nerve with a Scottish reader, who argued that after living in Goa for
five years, he should be considered a Goan. This is despite the fact that
he doesn’t socialize with Goans; he claimed that this is irrelevant. I
responded that being viewed as a Goan is not a question of time spent in
Goa but of engagement with the place. Engagement is a critical topic, as
Goa is treated like a reward
 for those
with money, who have fuelled the demand for investment property or who have
chosen to abandon the rat race for a quiet life here. Add to this the
numerous domestic and international tourists, who occupy different spaces
that tend not to include Goans. As I have already argued (see above-cited
essay), this is how hospitable Goa is—you can pretend there are no Goans
here.

==