Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt- GSRP Comments
Well Eugene, Floriano does not poke anyone in the ribs if that poke is not derserved. And he also does not pat on the back when it has to be a hard knock. There are times when floriano has gone way out of his way to pat Manohar Parrikar on his back. One was when he sacked Babush as the TCP minister. Likewise there are many instances when the pat came automatically. The latest pat but a gurarded one was the 'New Shacks Policy' . But no sooner did the fingertips forgot the typing on the keyboard, he gave caused him to give him an ultimatum of dire consequences ( Writ Petition in the HC) if he diluted the Shacks policy that he had put across. You need not worry too much about floriano chaning his shoes when times are different. He just loves the shoes that he is wearing, not the chappals though :-)) floriano goasuraj 9890470896. - Original Message - From: "Eugene Correia" To: Sent: Thursday, October 04, 2012 9:40 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt- GSRP Comments Just see what's happening in West Bengal with Madame Mamata Banerjee. When she was not in power she was a firebrand fighting known and unknown demons of the ruling CPI government. And now after taking over the government she's bellowing fire from her mouth against her critics and had the audacity to have a professor who posted a cartoon of her on the Internet arrested. Her government is facing the music from many quarters and she's showing signs of losing her temperament. The point I am making is that it's easy to make noises from outside the power circle but once inside it the person finds it hard to face the opponents. Parrikar's predicament is an example. He doesn;t know how to come of the mining mess and how to get the government to enforce "zero tolerance" to corruption. However, those in the opposition ranks in the assembly and in the political arena must not keep quiet. Floriano should keep poking Parrikar in the ribs so that the CM is kept on his toes. Eugene
Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments
Just see what's happening in West Bengal with Madame Mamata Banerjee. When she was not in power she was a firebrand fighting known and unknown demons of the ruling CPI government. And now after taking over the government she's bellowing fire from her mouth against her critics and had the audacity to have a professor who posted a cartoon of her on the Internet arrested. Her government is facing the music from many quarters and she's showing signs of losing her temperament. The point I am making is that it's easy to make noises from outside the power circle but once inside it the person finds it hard to face the opponents. Parrikar's predicament is an example. He doesn;t know how to come of the mining mess and how to get the government to enforce "zero tolerance" to corruption. However, those in the opposition ranks in the assembly and in the political arena must not keep quiet. Floriano should keep poking Parrikar in the ribs so that the CM is kept on his toes. Eugene
[Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments
Eugene Correia has hit the nail on the head. As Ana Maria Fernendes rightly said Tavern Talk will remain just that 'talk' and it should be kept in the tavern because it will go nowhere. Action is what is now required. If GSRP is to succeed, then they must take action to be relevant in Contesting Elections and winning them. This means that the party must get off the fence and convince the Goan populace that they have a better alternative than the former Governments and that they really mean to bring change to the system and put out their vision and plans of how they will be able to achieve their goals. Not superficial talk but truly visionary proposals backed up by realistic actions.It is O.K . to tout Gandhi's Philosophy but act independently using tact and skill intermingled with a strong sense of propose. We do agree that Corruption must be rooted out but not with a big broom as Eugene has suggested but with whips and lashes so that those unwilling to fall in line taste the true consequences of their action. This is a tall order and needs people of Guts and courage un-wavering in their aspirations to bring a true semblance of dignity and order to this corrupt society. Is the GSRP willing and able to face these challenges? Manuel (Eddie) Tavares.
Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments
What I'd like to know is when was Goa granted independence. AFAIK, Goa was invaded by the Indian armed forces and annexed Goa to India, thereby subjecting Goa's dependence on New Delhi instead of Lisboa. The Indian troops still occupy Goa (Panjim, Bambolim, Navelim, Vasco, Mormugao, and Anjediva to name a few) and the Navy is still occupying Goa's airport at Dabolim. Gabriel. PS Goa's ministers are not independent, even if voted in by Goans and neo-Goans. They are still subject to their higher-ups in New Delhi, whatever be their "colour". Which is why I suspect we haven't seen the Manohar of the past in the present setup. > >From: Eugene Correia >To: goa...@goanet.org >Sent: Tuesday, 2 October 2012 8:11 PM >Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - >GSRP Comments > > > One thing that's true is the >downgrading of the political process. it's the price of Independence. >With the exception of Floriano and many Goans who seem unhappy at >Goa's own independence, the rest of Goans seem resigned to their >fates. The way is to look forward and not glance backwards. Goa's >Portuguese past has been consigned to the dustbin. >
Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments
On 2 October 2012 06:11, Eugene Correia wrote: [1] wishful thinking is one thing and reality is another. [2] many Goans who seem unhappy at Goa's own independence, COMMENT: Baba Eugene, tuka 'dicionário' zai re? Kednam zalem re? On the other hand, you are right: 'wishful thinking is one thing and reality is another'. But then, what again was Goebel's 'stategery'? jc
Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt- GSRP Comments
And, corrupt the Indian Ocean too??? :-) floriano goasuraj - Original Message - From: "Eugene Correia" To: Sent: Tuesday, October 02, 2012 3:41 PM Subject: Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt- GSRP Comments One doesn't need Anna Hazare to inform Indians that politics is dirty and the GSRP's spin on it doesn't help either. Since GSRP has been in the government's seat it's easy to propose alternatives or ask Goans to check the party's roadmap. Ana Maria Fernandes has said it that taverna talk with remain just that -- talk. "Talking the talk" or "walking the walk" or "walking the talk" are just plain words that leaders of opposition parties speak but the reality turns out differently when the same party or a coalition of parties are put into power by the electorate. How I wish the GSRP comes to power but wishful thinking is one thing and reality is another. Why the Goan electorate hasn't fallen for the ideals and goals that the party was formulated in its grandiose Roadmap is a mystery. How long can Floriano bang the ghumott? Does its sound reverbrate across the landscape. Repeating the oft-quoted Gandhi quote, "Be the change" is no good. The quote is the waterdown version of a para in one of his writings. It's essential to read Gandhi's Collected Works. On this Gandhi Jayanti we hear quotes from his books and writings. Herald has an article by Soter that delves on his Hind Swaraj. I have read the English version of Hind Swaraj (but gave my copy to a young journalist), Gandhi's teaching vary on different subjects but they are outdated. What was said before (mostly before) and after India's independence doesn't ring true today. One thing that's true is the downgrading of the political process. it's the price of Independence. With the exception of Floriano and many Goans who seem unhappy at Goa's own independence, the rest of Goans seem resigned to their fates. The way is to look forward and not glance backwards. Goa's Portuguese past has been consigned to the dustbin. Gandhi's belief in spiritual rejuvenation and sanctity of human life should be followed but it isn't easy. Political leaders are of a different class today and since Floriana never had a chance to rule one can't say for sure what he would do or follow. Since India's independence we have killed Gandhi many times and on the occasion of his birth centenary we should pay homage to his noble souls and his lofty visions for an India free of the "dirt" that envelopes politics and the corrupting influence of greed and power. It would need a long broom to sweep India clean of all the mess and dump it into the Indian ocean. Eugene Correia
Re: [Goanet] Anna Hazare says the path of politics is full of dirt - GSRP Comments
One doesn't need Anna Hazare to inform Indians that politics is dirty and the GSRP's spin on it doesn't help either. Since GSRP has been in the government's seat it's easy to propose alternatives or ask Goans to check the party's roadmap. Ana Maria Fernandes has said it that taverna talk with remain just that -- talk. "Talking the talk" or "walking the walk" or "walking the talk" are just plain words that leaders of opposition parties speak but the reality turns out differently when the same party or a coalition of parties are put into power by the electorate. How I wish the GSRP comes to power but wishful thinking is one thing and reality is another. Why the Goan electorate hasn't fallen for the ideals and goals that the party was formulated in its grandiose Roadmap is a mystery. How long can Floriano bang the ghumott? Does its sound reverbrate across the landscape. Repeating the oft-quoted Gandhi quote, "Be the change" is no good. The quote is the waterdown version of a para in one of his writings. It's essential to read Gandhi's Collected Works. On this Gandhi Jayanti we hear quotes from his books and writings. Herald has an article by Soter that delves on his Hind Swaraj. I have read the English version of Hind Swaraj (but gave my copy to a young journalist), Gandhi's teaching vary on different subjects but they are outdated. What was said before (mostly before) and after India's independence doesn't ring true today. One thing that's true is the downgrading of the political process. it's the price of Independence. With the exception of Floriano and many Goans who seem unhappy at Goa's own independence, the rest of Goans seem resigned to their fates. The way is to look forward and not glance backwards. Goa's Portuguese past has been consigned to the dustbin. Gandhi's belief in spiritual rejuvenation and sanctity of human life should be followed but it isn't easy. Political leaders are of a different class today and since Floriana never had a chance to rule one can't say for sure what he would do or follow. Since India's independence we have killed Gandhi many times and on the occasion of his birth centenary we should pay homage to his noble souls and his lofty visions for an India free of the "dirt" that envelopes politics and the corrupting influence of greed and power. It would need a long broom to sweep India clean of all the mess and dump it into the Indian ocean. Eugene Correia
