[Goanet] Are Goans Racist?
Of course we are. At heart every Goan recognizes that. Some will fight it with the fibre of their being, some others will either think it is not necessary to change, or are too lazy to do so, or do not admit to it. After all, if you don’t admit to it, it isn’t there. Not only are are racist, we are casteist also. Hopefully, this is not manifested in daily living, but it certainly raises its head in some situations, like when a family member wants to get married out of the ‘caste’ boundary. No wonder then there remains a hidden hatred of their former bhatcars by those who eked out a living by actually working on the land. Now, With grabbing of houses and land, revenge is the sweet order of the day. Let us put this in context of the times. In Africa, Goans would not intermarry with either blacks or Sikhs or Ismailis in any notable number. They might have married whites if they got a chance, but the opportunity wasn’t there. Is there an explanation for this besides racism? Yes there is. In Africa there was a strong social bond among Goans, in fact almost as strong as in the Mormon community. If you did something proscribed by the community, you were ‘shunned’. What could cause this shunning? A marriage with a non-Goan and to a lesser extent with someone even out of your ‘caste’. The Catholic religion was no less to blame. Marriage to a non-Catholic would mean a cut-off, a kind of ‘excommunication lite’. Shunning would also occur if any one of your family took an anti-colonial political stand. Which Goan would marry a Black in these circumstances? Today, things are a little different. Marriage-wise we have not sufficiently integrated. In an arbitrary conclusion I would say there are about 5 to 10 per cent mixed marriages. Most of these are with whites, perhaps because they are a majority of the population except in the big cities, but that trend of marrying mostly whites is changing I am glad to note. More Goan youth are marrying others, with Blacks forming a sizeable section of ‘others’. Co- incidentally Goans marrying non-whites are from families where the fathers are ultra racist/casteist/religionist. Poetic justice, like the mundcar-bhatcar relationship. As I end, I must clarify that my views are my own, from my personal observation and not from a reading of any sociological essay or text. While I am willing to put these conclusions in context with someone else’s convincing arguments that are diametrically different, observations indicate what is happening, arguments what should happen. Of course I am happy to hear of others’ observations or their formal study. Roland. Egas D’Souza wrote; I saw a story which said the main reason for Idi Amin's "All Non-Citizen Asians expulsion Act" was that he considered the Asians to be racists and would never marry the local Africans.
Re: [Goanet] ARE GOANS RACIST" ?
Dear Pandu Lampioa, I remember some year ago, I had arrived from Oman and my brother had come to receive me at the airport with his Maruti car that had a Delhi registration number plate. Both my brother and I could be called "horrat Goankar!". Whilst we were crossing the Mandovi river to get to the North and were in the ferry boat (in the car of course), two Goans were speaking to each other. One said, Eh poi eile 'bingtangkar!' Why because our car had a Delhi registered number plate. We were pure bread Goans from Goa and we were called "bingtangkar". Would you call that racists? Common Mate, we Goans are no different from others, racists to the core, when the situation demands of us to be so! You don't have to be in the Americas , or even Timbactu; Goans are racists 'right under their feet', period! Let someone tell me otherwise, then it will be a "bammon"; Cos they are the only ones who think otherwise. Keep guessing, while the answer is right before your eyes! Newton Marques, > From: goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org > Subject: Goanet Digest, Vol 4, Issue 993 > To: goanet@lists.goanet.org > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 02:29:48 -0700 > > Send Goanet mailing list submissions to > goanet@lists.goanet.org > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://lists.goanet.org/listinfo.cgi/goanet-goanet.org > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > goanet-requ...@lists.goanet.org > > You can reach the person managing the list at > goanet-ow...@lists.goanet.org > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Goanet digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: " ARE GOANS RACIST" ? (Pandu Lampiao) > 2. The Duty of the Christian Business Man (Venantius J Pinto) > 3. Re: rare Konkani film at TIFF (Eugene Correia) > 4. Son'varachim Sungttam: Fuddarak Padri Astole (Goa World) > 5. M F Hussaib: Birthday Video (Sandeep Heble) > 6. Daily Grook #518 (Francis Rodrigues) > 7. Re: The Dona Paula - Marmagoa Sea Link (eric pinto) > 8. NEWS: Nisha Grayson ... coming back 'home' to search for her > birth mother and herself (Goanet News) > > > -------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:22:14 -0400 > From: Pandu Lampiao > To: "Goa's premiere mailing list, estb. 1994!" > > Subject: Re: [Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 > > Generally one would say not but once one gets to know a Goichi, a lot > of them appear to be. Though they will not utter direct r*cist lines > (unlike here on the GoichiNet, a posting Pedro from Mississauga who > preferred Brits for neighbors) they display a certain 'they are better > than us' message and refer to the other people by skin color, for > example, "wh*tes". Is that r*cist? I think yes but as a Goichi, I > think thats just cozying up to a fellow Goichi and not knowing the > thin line between skin color, cultural difference and politically > correctness. > > The other situation is when ones partner is non-Goichi or > wh*te.the little murmur mills gets in motion. My sense is that > comes from a sense of being inferior. This observation ain't mine but > a learned old Gujrathi businessman: he thinks we brown folks have the > inferiority complex and therefore, they often fear the Anglo-Saxon > here in North Amreika (for good measure and to be pleasing to the eye, > I have my long hair dyed pink!). I am always curious as to why all the > Goichi bawli (Goans dolls for those who are short on our mother-lounge > Concani) dye their hair in all shades...I'm trying to ask one out as > my next social studies project and I think we'd that would be a great > pairing...dolly with brown/blond hair and me with my pink doo (I yam > open to offers). > > Lastly, in Kanada (where I run a seasonal chooris-pau business) there > is a subtle r*cism and a plenty of reverse r*cism (example, orientals > are not trusting of the Afr*can- community). Phew. > > > On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Oscar Lobo > wrote: > > I hear from some people that have settled overseas that there are two types > > of > > racism direct and scuttle be it Middle East, Europe, America et al. If that > > is the > > case then are we as Goans racist? > > > > It would be interesting to read different views. > > > > > > Oscar Lobo > > Melbourne. > > > -- > > Message: 2 > Date:
Re: [Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ?
Canada is America's hat, nein? I. Nunes --- On Sun, 9/20/09, Mario Goveia wrote: From: Mario Goveia Subject: Re: [Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ? To: goanet@lists.goanet.org Date: Sunday, September 20, 2009, 8:08 AM Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:22:14 -0400 From: Pandu Lampiao Generally one would say not but once one gets to know a Goichi, a lot of them appear to be. Though they will not utter direct r*cist lines (unlike here on the GoichiNet, a posting Pedro from Mississauga who preferred Brits for neighbors) they display a certain 'they are better than us' message . Mario responds: Hey, Pandu, why don't you can and brand your chorisam and sell them over the internet, yaar. Perhaps in vacuum sealed aluminum packages. I'm sure you will be able to find a Gujarati businessman in Kanada to help you. They make and export excellent Indian food from up there. FYI, the Goichis south of your Kanadese border are just the opposite. Down here in "southern North Amreika" they display a "we are better then them" message, and with good reason:-)) Is this "racism" or just "racial". To become "racism" doesn't one have to acts upon it in one's interpersonal relationships or to harm someone, simply because of their race? BTW, is "racism" different in how it works than "casteism"? Pandu wrote: This observation ain't mine but a learned old Gujrathi businessman: he thinks we brown folks have the inferiority complex and therefore, they often fear the Anglo-Saxon here in North Amreika... Mario responds: Pandu, send him down here and I will introduce him to several learned old and young Gujarati businessmen who have such a superiority complex that they own more than half the hotels - including major franchises - and gas stations and convenience stores in "southern North Amreika" and have thousands of Anglo-Saxons and others who work for them. In another generation they may own half of "southern North Amreika":-)) Pandu wrote: Lastly, in Kanada (where I run a seasonal chooris-pau business) there is a subtle r*cism and a plenty of reverse r*cism (example, orientals are not trusting of the Afr*can- community). Phew. Mario asks: Are you telling us that Kanada is a racist country? Some of the other Kanadese Goanetters have been telling us that Kanada is one step this side of heaven:-))
Re: [Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ?
Date: Sat, 19 Sep 2009 00:22:14 -0400 From: Pandu Lampiao Generally one would say not but once one gets to know a Goichi, a lot of them appear to be. Though they will not utter direct r*cist lines (unlike here on the GoichiNet, a posting Pedro from Mississauga who preferred Brits for neighbors) they display a certain 'they are better than us' message . Mario responds: Hey, Pandu, why don't you can and brand your chorisam and sell them over the internet, yaar. Perhaps in vacuum sealed aluminum packages. I'm sure you will be able to find a Gujarati businessman in Kanada to help you. They make and export excellent Indian food from up there. FYI, the Goichis south of your Kanadese border are just the opposite. Down here in "southern North Amreika" they display a "we are better then them" message, and with good reason:-)) Is this "racism" or just "racial". To become "racism" doesn't one have to acts upon it in one's interpersonal relationships or to harm someone, simply because of their race? BTW, is "racism" different in how it works than "casteism"? Pandu wrote: This observation ain't mine but a learned old Gujrathi businessman: he thinks we brown folks have the inferiority complex and therefore, they often fear the Anglo-Saxon here in North Amreika... Mario responds: Pandu, send him down here and I will introduce him to several learned old and young Gujarati businessmen who have such a superiority complex that they own more than half the hotels - including major franchises - and gas stations and convenience stores in "southern North Amreika" and have thousands of Anglo-Saxons and others who work for them. In another generation they may own half of "southern North Amreika":-)) Pandu wrote: Lastly, in Kanada (where I run a seasonal chooris-pau business) there is a subtle r*cism and a plenty of reverse r*cism (example, orientals are not trusting of the Afr*can- community). Phew. Mario asks: Are you telling us that Kanada is a racist country? Some of the other Kanadese Goanetters have been telling us that Kanada is one step this side of heaven:-))
Re: [Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ?
Generally one would say not but once one gets to know a Goichi, a lot of them appear to be. Though they will not utter direct r*cist lines (unlike here on the GoichiNet, a posting Pedro from Mississauga who preferred Brits for neighbors) they display a certain 'they are better than us' message and refer to the other people by skin color, for example, "wh*tes". Is that r*cist? I think yes but as a Goichi, I think thats just cozying up to a fellow Goichi and not knowing the thin line between skin color, cultural difference and politically correctness. The other situation is when ones partner is non-Goichi or wh*te.the little murmur mills gets in motion. My sense is that comes from a sense of being inferior. This observation ain't mine but a learned old Gujrathi businessman: he thinks we brown folks have the inferiority complex and therefore, they often fear the Anglo-Saxon here in North Amreika (for good measure and to be pleasing to the eye, I have my long hair dyed pink!). I am always curious as to why all the Goichi bawli (Goans dolls for those who are short on our mother-lounge Concani) dye their hair in all shades...I'm trying to ask one out as my next social studies project and I think we'd that would be a great pairing...dolly with brown/blond hair and me with my pink doo (I yam open to offers). Lastly, in Kanada (where I run a seasonal chooris-pau business) there is a subtle r*cism and a plenty of reverse r*cism (example, orientals are not trusting of the Afr*can- community). Phew. On Fri, Sep 18, 2009 at 10:08 PM, Oscar Lobo wrote: > I hear from some people that have settled overseas that there are two types of > racism direct and scuttle be it Middle East, Europe, America et al. If that > is the > case then are we as Goans racist? > > It would be interesting to read different views. > > > Oscar Lobo > Melbourne.
[Goanet] " ARE GOANS RACIST" ?
I hear from some people that have settled overseas that there are two types of racism direct and scuttle be it Middle East, Europe, America et al. If that is the case then are we as Goans racist? It would be interesting to read different views. Oscar Lobo Melbourne.
